Internal Security Watch

[Aditya_V]

Somnath but atleast his backers have been exposed and with Illina statement on political Asylum, this crowd has got the message is that there is a line which can't be crossed. So, I dont agree the C'garh Government made a mistake. Besides , what the cabal is conviently deleting is that his case hearings are coming up the other 2 Maoist leaders, some of the lawyers are defending all 3 and the EU observers are there for the case related to all 3.

Like the Javed Sheikh encounter, they are focussing only on Ishart Jehan and not on the 2 "INNCOENT" Paki accomplices.

This is like 2 persons anwering a Objective question paper - one guy scores 80 and other guy scores 20. The focus is 20 answers one guy gets wrong and 20 answers the other guy gets right. The most important part the remaining 100 questions is left out of the discussion

[Arjun]

simple - class solidarity. Look at the stereotype - he isnt a jihadi, he isnt a gun-wielding (or even a planning) left wing guerilla...He is a highly qualified doc who gave up a potential good life to work with the wretched of the earth...And he has fashionably liberal ideas...Add to that the tenuous grounds of the conviction (something acknowledged by everyone even slightly to the left of Attila the Hun ), and you get the picture...A true knight in shining armour battling for liberal values...

When due process is being followed and he has a number of appeals remaining, don't see the reason for the outrage.

Where were both the western and Indian liberal crowd in regard to the Vikram Buddhi case in the US? Ever heard of that guy?

[somnath]

Besides , what the cabal is conviently deleting is that his case hearings are coming up the other 2 Maoist leaders, some of the lawyers are defending all 3 and the EU observers are there for the case related to all 3.

Thats part of the tactical error! Do you think ny of this liberal cabal would have got any more attention (than they usually get for all "lost causes") for Narayan Sanyal? You know the answer...You juxtapose Binayak Sen witha group of even hardened Maoists and you take them too within his halo...I dont know what bottomline the C'garh govt has achieved, or what "line" has been laid...The naxal leadership might be terrified of the Gryhounds, they surely dont "really care" that Dr Sen was sentenced to jail - in fact they DO care, to the extent that it helps them in their message..

Where were both the western and Indian liberal crowd in regard to the Vikram Buddhi case in the US? Ever heard of that guy?

I have, was in the media very recently...But life isnt fair...Vikram Buddhi is an unfortunate victim, and AFAIK the Indian govt prmised help to him...In the case of Dr Sen, the C'garh government has been out to get him publicly for so long that they have given every opportunity for the case to become big..

[Arjun]

But life isnt fair...

True. Marxists deserve fair treatment- for others that's just the way the cookie crumbles !

Fyi, Vikram was an IITian pursuing his doctorate studies...and the US has incarcerated him for 5 years on the basis of one supposed internet post. The case against Binayak seems far stronger in comparison. Btw....Vikram should also have been a 'liberal darling' for apparently going public against the US action in Iraq. But unfortunately, western liberals and their Indian chelas seem to prefer the soft targets (Indian state) rather than have the guts to do the same against the US.

[somnath]

Vikram should also have been a 'liberal darling' for apparently going public against the US action in Iraq.

I agree...

[Aditya_V]

Church attacks: Ex-judge links Yeddyurappa, cops to Sangh terror

Church attacks: Church Attacks:Ex-judge Takes the dictation from High Command, prints and Signs report

State police works under and reports directly to the government which is led by BJP's Yeddyurappa.

How dare the State Police report to CM, this is so different to what happens in MH.

retired High Court judge Michael Saldanha on Monday said he had evidence to prove the state police colluded with the attackers.

Saldanha, who conducted an independent probe into the attacks, said he would submit his report to Karnataka Governor H R Bhardwaj. The report could give fresh ammunition to Bhardwaj who had been relentlessly attacking the BSY government.

There is 100 per cent evidence of two things — the state machinery and the police had a role in attacks on churches. There is videographic and photographic evidence of police entering places of worship.

What is the connection between the 2, if Police enter to investigate then you can club the 2 ? What is locos standi for such a report. why have a comp with MS WORD and Printer attached, High Command dicate and signed by the Judge in Private, lets make it a grand exhibition.

b]Activists like Swami Agnivesh and some Christian groups have called the Somasekhara report “sham” and “biased”. [/b]

Does every Babu and Judical person have to comply with Dictats of this group now to be considered Kosher.

Those who led the attacks appeared on television to state that they have done it. The committee ignored such overwhelming evidence,” he said.

Saldanha said “if nothing happens within a specified time frame”, he would seek judicial intervention either from the Supreme Court or the Karnataka High Court.

[Abraham Mathai, vice-chairman of the Maharashtra Minorities Commission, said they planned to write to the National Commission for Minorities to send a team to Karnataka investigate the issue afresh.

Human rights activists and Christian groups are also planning to approach the Central government

I shudder to think what this country is coming too in order to keep the present Cabal in power.


I soon think that anyone who is associated with RSS, BJP or anyone who disagrees with certain persons/ groups /Ideology in this country will soon be Branded as "NAZI" and will prosecuted, people with little "Red Books" will point fingers at others at society and others will be proscueted. This country is heading a slighlty lesser form of 1964 China.

All this while descreation of 800 temples in Goa, regular robberies of temples in TN, Destruction in Debganga is being swept below the carpet.

[svinayak]

They have become nazis now. All more crap and they can take the public to ride. First EJs create problem and then blame everybody

[AjayKK]

A moment from the Saldanha indeed.

The true headline should be:

Church attacks Ex-judge (Somasekhara) : And links Yeddyurappa, cops to Sangh terror

The Somasekhara commission found many cases of conversions which has no doubt caused takleef to those who must be funded by it. Download the report here:

http://www.jbkscoi.org/downloads/Concis ... 0final.pdf

http://www.jbkscoi.org/

[Vikas]

I think every viper is barring its fangs. Lets remember all these vipers for someday we will have them by the scruff f their neck.
There is no such thing as Liberal crowd. These are more like Anti-India/Anti-Hindu crowd.
Wasn't Vikram Boodhi's father accused of spying for USA. Did someone talk about Female bitch called Karma.

Somnath: As far Dr. Sen, Why should sate not go after him if he is guilty of a crime. We have let too many go Scott free in search of elusive strategic victory.

[Raghavendra]

Which is why I think that the C'garh govt made a huge tactical error in going after him (besides the tenuous legal grounds)..

C'garh should take lessons from J&K police

J&K honoured yasin malik and tortured people who were hoisting national flag

C'garh police should arrest the judge for correctly applying the law of the land and honour binayak sen for sedition


Judge make judgements based on evidence produced before them, tactical error is only in the minds of binayak sen supporters who are desperate to get him released

[Raghavendra]

The naxal leadership might be terrified of the Gryhounds, they surely dont "really care" that Dr Sen was sentenced to jail - in fact they DO care, to the extent that it helps them in their message..

Maoists do care about high level operatives who are used exclusively to build support bases among the urban masses who are dumb enuf to believe in liberation theology and follow this fake doctor

Binayak sen is to maoists what Joseph Goebbels was to nazis

Saying binayak is not maoist wont change the truth. He was busy visiting narayan sanyal 33 times instead of treating patients. What occupied his mind that he needed to visit a person who is among the top maoist leadership? Drawing up plans to kill chattisgarhis, that's the logical reason. The judgement has caused a collective wet pant moment among the top maoist leadership, so all this rona dhona by them.

[Raghavendra]

Some attacks on churches aimed at defaming govt: Panel http://www.deccanherald.com/content/133 ... aming.html

Bangalore, February 1, DHNS:

The Justice B K Somasekara Commission of Inquiry, which probed the attacks on churches, on Tuesday released details of each case and named those responsible for the attacks in some cases.

As many as 57 churches and prayers halls were attacked in nine districts in the State in 2008.
Referring to St Mary’s Church in Kolar, the Commission ruled out the involvement of any Hindu organisation. The allegations of conversion are true, but they were not the ground for the attack. It was a deliberate attempt by some local group or political force to create evidence to link the attack to other such incidents involving churches, and thereby demoralise or demolish the ruling BJP government.

On the attack on St James Church at Mariyannapalya in Bangalore, the Commission confirmed there was indeed an attack. But it said attempts by Christians to convert people in the area, and resistance by the members of Adi Kaveri Trust of Chittiappa and local Hindus were the reasons for the incident.

The Church personnel did not cooperate with the police in preventing the attack. There appears to be illegal acquisition of public property by both the Church personnel and the Chittiappa group, which requires a serious inquiry, the report said.

Legal steps sought

The government and the Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike should take legal steps to remove all encroachments and illegal planting of Christian Crosses, besides illegal constructions in the Kalvari Betta area, the Commission recommended.

In case of the Holy Name of Jesus Church at Rajarajeshwarinagar, the report said the attack was sporadic -- carried out by either a passerby or by some miscreants to create evidence against the ruling party.

There are indications of corruption in the City Corporation, the report said. The commissioner should uniformly regularise any irregularity in licensing, etc, regarding constructions, especially of this church, subject to rules, the report added.

A make-believe attempt

In the case of St Anthony New Church, Yedanahalli, the report said the attack was a make-believe aimed at linking it other similar incidents.

The main culprits appear to be Father Santhosh, David and his men and two police constables, B M Nagaraj and B P Nagendra Kumar. The CoD police failed in their investigation to locate the culprits, the report said.

Somasekara defends his report

Bangalore, dhns: The Justice B K Somasekara Commission of Inquiry on Tuesday said its final report on the church attacks was prepared after a detailed and transparent inquiry but was misinterpreted by a few.

Justice Somasekara, in a written clarification, stated there was no need for Christain petitioners to be apprehensive about the direct or indirect involvement of politicians, the BJP, the Sangh Pariwar and the State government in the attacks.

Every bit of inference and findings of the report was based on evidence and elaborate discussion of all contentions presented before the Commission. The final report should be read in continuation of the interim report submitted to the government in February last, the inquiry panel chief said.

He said there was no lapse on the part of the Commission and any fair comments were welcome. “But all such expressions by anybody shall be subject to legal consequences under Section 10A (1) of the Commission of Inquiry Act. Ignorance of the law is no excuse; and this will apply to all,” he said.

[shravan]

Suspected Pakistani agent arrested in Pune

Pune, Feb 2 (IANS) A 24-year-old Indian man suspected to be spying for Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was arrested from the city's Bund Garden area, police said Wednesday. He was also assisted by an army soldier, who is on the run.

'Acting on a tip-off, we arrested Vishwambhar Tarachand Agarwal yesterday from near Alankar theatre. We suspect him to be an ISI spy,' Police Inspector Satish Govekar told reporters here.

Police said that Agarwal belongs to Bidola village in Haryana and was staying in the Nigdi area of the city the past many years.

'Agarwal has also named an army jawan, Brijesh Kumar, as his aide, who is absconding.' Govekar said.

Several photographs of the Southern Command, Pune cantonment area, a hand-drawn map of the area and a CD have been seized from him.

'A list of some army officers, along with their names, designations and telephone numbers have also been seized,' Govekar said.

[ramana]

The KP Nayar article on MKN talks with US and wikipeed will cause a maelstorm once people understand the meaning of it.

[Prem]

This is damning for MMS . Hope there are still one or two India sypathetic people left in the current ruling coterie of Congress.

[RamaY]

The KP Nayar article on MKN talks with US and wikipeed will cause a maelstorm once people understand the meaning of it.

I am sorry.. which one you are talking about Rji?

[ramana]

MK’s N-bomb alert - - Leaked cable speaks of jihadi attempt - K.P. NAYAR

[RamaY]

Thanks Ramana-ji!

I wonder what is going on in the minds of RNIs to create saffron terror when so much is going on under their bottoms...

[RamaY]

Ramanaji,

That MKN article is very scary. I am posting some excerpts...

Governer M.K. Narayanan told the Americans when he was national security adviser that India had discovered a “manifest attempt” by jihadi groups “to get fissile material” to manufacture a crude nuclear bomb for use in a possible terrorist operation.
...
He, however, assured US Senators Russ Feingold and Bob Casey that these groups had not succeeded in acquiring fissile material, at the same time, warning them that terrorist organisations had “enough physics to fabricate a crude bomb beyond a dirty bomb”.
...
But India has consistently refused to talk in public about any possibility that Indian cities could be targets of a crude nuclear bomb used in a terrorist operation, ostensibly for fear of creating panic among the public, especially when cross-border terrorist operations are common.
...
Another remarkable revelation in the cable is that in an effort to persevere with the dialogue with Pakistan, India deliberately downplayed cross-border infiltration at that time and did not formally protest to Islamabad, hoping that it would be a “temporary aberration”.
...
He regretted, however, that “those forces have since returned to the Indian border”. These facts on the ground may account for the differences between him and Manmohan Singh during the former national security adviser’s final months in office over the Prime Minister’s unremitting drive to talk to Pakistan and the diplomatic debacle in Sharm-el-Sheikh during a meeting between Singh and Gilani.
...
As the supreme master of Indian intelligence for several decades, Narayanan offers a small window to the Americans into the secretive and unacknowledged range of India's spying capabilities, the cable reveals.
...
For instance, investigations into the bombings in Mumbai in 2006 had traced fundraising in up to 11 countries and planning in at least seven places.
...
He bluntly told the Americans something they are constantly trying to brush under the carpet. Mulford reported that Narayanan “pointed to the increase in ‘white recruits’ detected by Indian intelligence in terrorist training camps along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Those recruits will not be used against India or Asian nations,” he grimly warned Feingold and Casey.
...
In the cable, Narayanan, who negotiated on terrorism and global security, among other things, with the Americans for five years, provides a rare insight into his frustrations in dealing with Washington beneath the facade that India and the US are “natural allies”.
...
In what appears prophetic in retrospect over the US bungle over Pakistani American terrorist David Coleman Headley, Narayanan said he had urged his interlocutors in Washington that “what might not make sense to you might make sense to me”.
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He added that the fault is “equally shared” by intelligence agencies everywhere. He said this lack of “adequate understanding” among intelligence agencies was the greatest weakness in the global war on terror.

[sum]

Damn, the news keeps getting more and more depressing. Scary that MMS has 3-1/2 more years left..Wonder what other miracles are we going to see on the Pak, J&K and "Hindu terror" front now that even MKN has been eased out?

[Sanku]

MK’s N-bomb alert - - Leaked cable speaks of jihadi attempt - K.P. NAYAR

I am terribly sorry, but I am constrainted to point to everyone "I told you so" -- some of us have been talking of a bureaucrat rebellion for a long time only to be mocked -- BRF has another ahead of curve moment here.

[vera_k]

Wikileaks cable

The Telegraph article is sensationalising MKN remarks. Perhaps this means that knives are out for MMS within INC? Note that in the cable MKN does not say that the jihadis were planning an attack on an Indian city. His remark is far more generic and can also be interpreted as a warning to the Americans particularly when viewed in the context of the reference to "white" jihadis.

[Sanku]

The Telegraph article is sensationalising MKN remarks. Perhaps this means that knives are out for MMS within INC? Note that in the cable MKN does not say that the jihadis were planning an attack on an Indian city. His remark is far more generic and can also be interpreted as a warning to the Americans particularly when viewed in the context of the reference to "white" jihadis.

No vera_k, there are two issues here
1) Jihadi bums
2) India downplaying the cross border infiltration and difference of opinion on S-e-S

[ramana]

Its the 2) that is the issue once folks understand.

[Sumeet]

Contrast that[Nayar's article] with ToI's take on the same leak:

Five months before 26/11, India warned US of 'white faces' in terror camps

WASHINGTON: Some five months before the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack, India had warned the US about increasing " white faces" in terrorist camps along Pak-Afghan border and the attempt by jihadi groups to acquire fissile material to "fabricate a crude bomb beyond a dirty bomb".

According to a US diplomatic cable dated May 30, 2008, released by WikiLeaks the then National Security Advisor M K Narayanan had said this during a meeting with the visiting American Senators Russ Feingold and Bob Casey in New Delhi.

According to the cable, Narayanan told the Senators that the US-India relationship amounts to much more than just trade links and defence deals, but rather benefits from a mutual empathy.

Asked about terrorism, Narayanan related that training camps on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border have attracted more "white faces".

"He also noted jihadi groups have attempted to acquire fissile material and have the technical competence to manufacture an explosive device beyond a mere dirty bomb," the cable said.

Narayanan lamented that national intelligence agencies lack a common understanding at a time when an incident such as the 2006 blasts in Mumbai involved planning and fundraising in up to 11 different countries, it said.

Regarding the May 13 blasts in Jaipur, Narayanan divulged that India has narrowed the suspects to the Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami (HUJI).

According to the cable, Narayanan also observed that the US no longer ignores terrorist attacks that occur in India because it has adopted a more "cooperative angle" to face this common threat.

"He related that Indian intelligence has detected various targets, including southern and northeast Europe, Somalia and the Middle East, but not the US. Non-state actors will intensify their asymmetric warfare, he predicted, and pointed to the increase in 'white recruits' detected by Indian intelligence in terrorist training camps along the Pakistan-Afghanistan borders," the cable said.

"Those recruits will not be used against India or Asian nations," he pointed out, adding that he has warned his counterparts of the development.

He also related that India has found a "manifest attempt to get fissile material," though terrorist groups have not yet acquired any.

However, he warned, they have "enough physics to fabricate a crude bomb beyond a dirty bomb." the cable said.

Narayanan perceived the lack of "adequate understanding" among intelligence agencies as the greatest weakness in the war on terror.

[ramana]

Wikileaks cable

The Telegraph article is sensationalising MKN remarks. Perhaps this means that knives are out for MMS within INC? Note that in the cable MKN does not say that the jihadis were planning an attack on an Indian city. His remark is far more generic and can also be interpreted as a warning to the Americans particularly when viewed in the context of the reference to "white" jihadis.

Can some one post the full text instead of the link only for sake of those who cant access.

[ramana]

sumeet, the TOI report is PTI, not very stellar in understanding news behind the news. KP Nayar is a class by himself and has high trust coefficient

[krisna]

^^^^ wikileaks link of the above post

E.O. 12958: DECL: 05/30/2018
TAGS: PREL PARM TSPL PTER KNNP ETTC ENRG TRGY IN
IR, PK
SUBJECT: NARAYANAN URGES BETTER BILATERAL UNDERSTANDING ON
TERRORISM TO SENATORS FEINGOLD AND CASEY Classified By: Ambassador David Mulford for Reasons 1.4 (B and D)

1.(C) Summary: National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan told Senators Russ Feingold and Bob Casey May 30 that the U.S.-India relationship amounts to much more than just trade links and defense deals, but rather benefits from a mutual empathy. Asked about terrorism, Narayanan related that training camps on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border have attracted more "white faces." He also noted jihadi groups have attempted to acquire fissile material and have the technical competence to manufacture an explosive device beyond a mere dirty bomb. Narayanan lamented that national intelligence agencies lack a common understanding at a time when an incident such as the 2006 blasts in Mumbai involved planning and fundraising in up to 11 different countries. Regarding the May 13 blasts in Jaipur, Narayanan divulged that India has narrowed the suspects to the Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami (HUJI). On Iran, Narayanan asserted that India also wanted to prevent a nuclear weapons program, but he criticized the use of sanctions as ineffective, given the "unique" Shi'ite ability to absorb punishment. Narayanan relayed the government's intention to maintain a dialogue and normalize relations with Pakistan, as shown by the effort to play down the increase in cross-border infiltration in recent weeks. End Summary.

U.S. and India Have Natural Empathy - - -

3.(C) Narayanan remarked that neither Senators Feingold and Casey have traveled to India before, and he urged them to see more of the country than Delhi. He described the U.S.-India relationship as much more than trade links and defense deals, but enjoying a special "empathy" that has increased as nearly every middle-class family has a relative in the U.S. These ties will create a lasting relationship that, Narayanan maintained, will not change.

The Role of NSA - - -

4.(C) Senator Feingold asked about the role of the National Security Advisor and how Narayanan can pursue national security goals given the decentralized nature of India's political system. Narayanan replied that the government had revived the position of National Security Advisor (NSA) in 1998 after a brief stint in 1990. The NSA, who presides over the National Security Council, derives authority from his association with the Prime Minister, a position that historically has held great influence thanks to the legacy established by Jawarharlal Nehru and Indira Gandhi, Narayanan explained. "In a sense, I live in the shadow of the Prime Minister," he stated, which allows him to cut across party loyalties and appeal to diverse interests.

Terrorism Challenge Requires Better Cooperation - - -

5.(C) Senator Feingold inquired about major security threats in the region, and particularly Narayanan's thoughts on the May 13 Jaipur blasts and Kashmir. Narayanan observed that the U.S. no longer ignores terrorist attacks that occur in India because it has adopted a more "cooperative angle" to face this common threat. He related that Indian intelligence has detected various targets, including southern and northeast Europe, Somalia and the Middle East, but not the U.S. Non-state actors will intensify their asymmetric warfare, he predicted, and pointed to the increase in "white recruits" detected by Indian intelligence in terrorist training camps along the Pakistan-Afghanistan borders. Those recruits will not be used against India or Asian nations, he NEW DELHI 00001489 002 OF 003 pointed out, adding that he has warned his counterparts of the development. He also related that India has found a "manifest attempt to get fissile material," though terrorist groups have not yet acquired any. However, he warned, they have "enough physics to fabricate a crude bomb beyond a dirty bomb."

6.(C) Narayanan perceived the lack of "adequate understanding" among intelligence agencies as the greatest weakness in the war on terror. "We keep our cards close to our chest, but it is extremely counter-productive," he lamented, recognizing that the fault is "equally shared." He cited the 2006 Mumbai blasts, which involved up to 11 countries, and at least seven distinct places where planning occurred. He noted that he made the pitch during his visit to Washington for greater information sharing, even of bits and pieces. "What might not make sense to you might make sense to me," he pressed. He indicated that he would raise intelligence sharing during the visit of the upcoming visit of the Director of National Intelligence. He also observed that jihadis no longer come from just the poorer segment of the Muslim population, but rather from the upper crust of a community that feels threatened in face of Muslim integration in India.

HUJI To Blame For Jaipur - - -

7.(C) Narayanan pinned the blame for the May 13 Jaipur explosions on the Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami (HUJI), a Bangladeshi offshoot of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), noting that HUJI also masterminded the August 2007 blasts in Hyderabad, which employed similar triggers, packaging and devices as the Jaipur blasts. He noted that the Indian government had focused on threats to Maharashtra and Gujarat, but had no indication that Jaipur would be a target. No Nuclear Weapons, Nor Sanctions, For Iran - - -

8.(C) Senator Casey expressed concern about the uranium enrichment program in Iran and asked about India's policy on Iran's nuclear program. Narayanan pointed out that India and Iran have enjoyed civilizational links, India contains the second-largest Shi'ite population in the world, and any event in Iran could impact India because of their close geographic proximity. However, Narayanan maintained, the Indian government has "bitten the bullet" and held the view that Iran should abide by the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT), an unpopular position in India. During Iranian President Ahmadinejad's recent visit to Delhi, the Prime Minister told him to that India expects Iran to behave responsibly, Narayanan related. However, Narayanan saw the U.S. and India diverging on the issue of sanctions. He explained that the Shia clergy are more "sophisticated and erudite" than their Sunni counterparts. At the same time, he added, the Shia have a tremendous capacity to absorb punishment. "Self-flagellation comes to them naturally, " Narayanan commented. The imposition of sanctions punishes ordinary people, who then turn their anger outward, he said. Narayanan contended that encouraging Iran to join the mainstream would produce more results. "We are cautious about adhering to a broad attack on Iran, but we do not favor nuclear weapons in Iran," Narayanan clarified.

India To Play Down Recent Infiltration from Pakistan - - -

9.(C) Senator Casey recounted his recent visit to Pakistan, where he heard several promises about cracking down on border crossings. Should the U.S. put stock in these pledges, he asked Narayanan. Narayanan noted that under President Musharraf from 2004 to 2006, the Composite Dialogue moved forward and infiltration dropped. The political crisis in Pakistan in 2007 stalled progress, he noted. He said that he was "hopeful" the new leadership would continue to see dialogue as useful, and not just as "something that Musharraf did." The recent Foreign Minister meetings in Islamabad helped ensure that the new government would sustain the Composite Dialogue, Narayanan recounted. However, he regretted that infiltration and incidents have spiked recently. He related that the Indian government has played NEW DELHI 00001489 003 OF 003 them down and not lodged a formal protest, deciding instead to treat them as a "temporary aberration." He remembered that hostility between India and Pakistan had dropped to such an extent that Pakistan had at one time withdrawn some of its military from the India-Pakistan border in order to focus on the threats along the border with Afghanistan, but those forces have since returned to the Indian border.

Peace Deals With Terrorists - - -

10.(C) Asked by Senator Casey how India felt about the pacts signed between the Pakistani Army and tribal groups, Narayanan replied that the Indian government does not consider them conducive to peace. Instead, he stated, "they are out-sourcing terror." He acknowledged that the U.S. understands this stance, but the British seem to think that the peace deals are a good move. Instead, Narayanan cautioned, the deals will allow the tribal groups to re-energize by withdrawing the pressure under which they might have relented. Pakistan needs its army to hem those groups in, he stressed. Narayanan also advised the U.S. to fight the war on the ground and avoid an air war, which he doubted would work against tribal groups.($1million bum to destroy a $10 tent ) Senator Feingold said that he shared Narayanan's concerns about the peace agreements.

11.(C) Senator Feingold related that, during his May 28 visit to Islamabad, Pakistanis refrained from using harsh words to describe India. Warmer relations would be a new development for most Americans, Senator Feingold noted. Narayanan recognized that the importance of building a secure and stable Afghanistan has exposed the U.S. to concerns that India has held for many years. This was an important shift in the U.S., Narayanan asserted.

Comment: Pakistan Relations Remain Positive - - -

12.(C) A week after External Affairs Minister Mukherjee visited Islamabad, the Indian government appears reassured by the new Pakistani leadership's stated desire to sustain the dialogue that Musharraf had maintained. Narayanan's description of the effort to downplay the growth in incursions clearly aims to give the new leadership in Islamabad breathing room. However, if India experiences another attack on the scale of Jaipur or several more weeks of heightened violence and infiltration activity on the border, the pressure will mount on India to show its displeasure in public.(26/11 Mumbai happened)

13.(SBU) This cable was cleared by Codel Feingold.
MULFORD

[Sumeet]

Ramana,

How will this news reach common Indian unless its not highlighted by media ? Can Indian media especially the 24x7 electronic media be made to understand news behind news ?

I am eager to see how Timesnow, HT, IE, IBN, NDTV report it.

[Sumeet]

At least Hindustantimes has a better (from Indian perspective) headline for reporting the leak compared to ToI.

India played down infiltration for better ties with Pakistan

Contents are same since they have source it from PTI. Check people's comments.


By the way I re read the content of ToI. No where it mentions playing down of infiltration to better ties with TSP. ToI has omitted that. I have posted this in the comment section to that article. Don't know if they will let it through. Others if you have time please do the same.

Below is the link to ToI:

Five months before 26/11, India warned US of 'white faces' in terror camps

[Aditya_V]

Ramana,

How will this news reach common Indian unless its not highlighted by media ? Can Indian media especially the 24x7 electronic media be made to understand news behind news ?

I am eager to see how Timesnow, HT, IE, IBN, NDTV report it.

Why would they, would you go against your own boss, do you think people make money selling newspapers for Rs. 3? Saar if you rule 56/64, you have the deepest pockets (thanks to our clean system), babu loyalty and loyalty from some parts of the Judicary. The first you would do is own the Media. Plus a certain ideology is also favoured, funded by International players.
Plus, if things get difficult for you certain LIBERAL WESTERN DEMOCRACIES will always be ready with Visa for you.

Now, given the above why will these channels will ever cover inconvienient news.

[aditya]

SIT report indicts Modi over 2002 Gujarat riots

[Sanku]

SIT report indicts Modi over 2002 Gujarat riots

That is indictment? Sensational headlines eh.

Yawn.....

[rkirankr]

SIT report indicts Modi over 2002 Gujarat riots

That is indictment? Sensational headlines eh.

Yawn.....

Well but there is a small matter of somebody saying something about tree falling and earth shaking. Let us also hear on that

[aditya]

At least Hindustantimes has a better (from Indian perspective) headline for reporting the leak compared to ToI.

India played down infiltration for better ties with Pakistan

Wouldn't put it past them to blame Hindus for terrorism in order to improve ties with Jihadis.

[ramana]

So MKN wasn't apparised of saffron terror in 2008.

[ramana]

SIT report indicts Modi over 2002 Gujarat riots

Leak could be related to JPC demand. While its contents may be true or not its timing is suspect. As such even its contents are suspect.

[putnanja]

Honesty counts, notes don’t- Cash in good deed that moved CM turns out to be fake

Bolpur, Feb. 3: The notes were fake but not so the honesty of the finders who had handed the bagful of cash over to police.

One shining act of nobility had stood out amid the gloom of 62 deaths in the Sainthia train collision last July 19. Vegetable vendors Selim Khan and Abdul Salam had rushed to join the rescue efforts and stumbled on a leather bag, apparently containing Rs 1.5 lakh, by the tracks.

They did not hesitate for a moment before depositing it with the Government Railway Police (GRP), winning accolades and a little help in appreciation from chief ministerBuddhadeb Bhattacharjee.
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Today, the thirty-something vendors were left chagrined after learning from The Telegraph that the notes in the bag, brought to a State Bank branch by the GRP earlier in the day, had turned out to be counterfeit.

Selim felt his act had been wasted.

“I’m disappointed. I feel that my efforts have gone in vain,” he said.
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Selim said he had had no idea the notes were fake — it was too chaotic anyway in those pre-dawn hours of July 19 after the Uttar Banga Express had rammed the Vananchal Express from behind at Birbhum’s Sainthia station, killing 62 and injuring 165.

“The situation around us was chaotic. I saw the money and immediately zipped the bag close. Within 15 minutes, we had deposited it with the GRP,” he said.

Whoever the fake notes belonged to was wise enough not to claim them. After the six months were over, the railway police approached a court and under its directions went to the bank, when a touch of farce was added to the tragedy.
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The counterfeit cash was in Rs 500 notes. “We repeatedly checked all the 300 notes but found all of them to be fake. We will inform our higher authorities,” said Gajendranath Bhuniya, the branch manager.
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Rabindranath Mukherjee, superintendent of GRP (Howrah), said a departmental inquiry had been started.

“We will inquire whether procedure was followed in the seizure of the money,” he said. “Another criminal case will be started to find out the source of the fake notes. We will inform the court tomorrow.”

[putnanja]

SIT says no ground for legal action against Modi: Report

The Special Investigation Team (SIT) inquiring into the Gujarat riots is learnt to have concluded that its “preliminary inquiry” did not throw up any material “that would justify further action under the law” against Chief Minister Narendra Modi, according to Tehelka which published a report on its website based on contents it claimed to have taken from the SIT report submitted to the Supreme Court.

According to Tehelka, SIT chief, former CBI director R K Raghavan, has made the following observation in his concluding statement: “As many as 32 allegations were probed into during this preliminary inquiry. These related to several acts of omission and commission by the state government and its functionaries, including the chief minister. A few of these alone were in fact substantiated... the substantiated allegations did not throw up material that would justify further action under the law”.
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[putnanja]

UP Cong leader held with fake currency

Sanjeev Awasthi, a Congress leader of Banda, and his two drivers have been arrested on charges of carrying counterfeit currency worth Rs 4.21 lakh.

State Congress president Rita Bahuguna, however, alleged Awasthi had been framed in a false case for embarrassing the government.
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The Kanpur police said it had found 112 fake currency notes of Rs 500 and 365 notes of Rs 1,000 denomination in the possession of Awasthi and his drivers.
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