Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

[saip]

Not sure if this should be posted here or in the internal security thread..maybe I'll X post it there as well. Highly relevant.

Spy wars
A massive sexual offensive against India is being planned by the ISI, according to Indian intelligence in Kashmir. Around 900-odd women spies are being trained by ISI, to “honeytrap” important Indian establishment figures. Punjab and Kashmir police are keeping a lookout for the Pakistani Pussy Galores crossing the border.

Can they use such words in social magazines and publications

The name is that of one of the Bond girls (from gold finger?)

[Dipanker]

I have to disagree with our senior posters here. I think the 1965 war dealt a serious blow to Pakis "equal-equal" with India, and 1971 war finished it for good. Post 1971 Indians tend to have a different perspective than the older ones.
That is how I see it.

[svinayak]

I have to disagree with our senior posters here. I think the 1965 war dealt a serious blow to Pakis "equal-equal" with India, and 1971 war finished it for good. Post 1971 Indians tend to have a different perspective than the older ones.
That is how I see it.

We are talking about the media and the WKKism of the Indian elite. The western govt use the same image to create to reduce the centrality of India in the sub continent.

[vishnua]

Shiv wrote
Indians IMO are a people with a mediocre mindset that will take a long time to rise above Pakistan. We are prone to admiring what need not be admired and deriding ourselves in comparison. But this is a national piskological characteristic that requires piskotherapy for Indians in the same way as Pakistan the nation needs a different type of piskotherapy.

I could not have said it better. Had a discussion with an ex -collegue during lunch in similar lines. But this is very crisp and clear.

Doc, if it is possible, can you lay out some of ideas on how to do this piskotherapy . May be this therapy should start from 1st grade/early age? I don't know .

If this is not suitable thread then may be in the Indian interests thread.

TIA.

[Prem]

Make all These below Irrelevant!!
WKK, Poaqistranus, Yindian Eelites (eels=vulture)Marxist Anarchists , Salsa Historians and other instruments of false social enginnering . Crush these ingredients like Bataasha and then Dekh the Tamasha. When Indian Eelites start talking in Desi Bhasha ,only then we have fixed our Casa. Thinking on Epic scale and being on the mountain top ought to be the nature of Hindawi /Indawi Maanus.

Doc, all the vaporism among many alleged "Weakilings" of your Pyskological experiment is caused by the false intrepretation and promotion of Indicness. Question to be asked is at the time need,how many have/had made the supreme sacrifice in the name of P.Secularism and how many in the name of Land , Country and Dharma ?

[Surya]

Did I miss the post on China blaming the Xingiang blasts on Paki trained turds??

Or is itold news already???

[anupmisra]

K'rachi Halwa news:

Twenty-three lives lost as Karachi bleeds again

Ninety vehicles torched in Karachi

Altaf gives govt 48 hrs ‘deadline’ to impede Karachi violence

Mirza and gangs responsible for Karachi unrest, says MQM

[anupmisra]

This one's a keeper.

The ideology of thought control in Pakistan

A primary and secondary school environment is being created which is nurturing prejudice and extremism

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. It has become something of a personality cult in Pakistan. Nowhere is this cognitive dissonance more visible than amongst the educated who refuse to accept facts and logic, clinging instead to a neurotic persecution complex.

Columnist Khaled Ahmed says: “The vast majority of literate Pakistanis take comfort in ignorance, skepticism and conspiracy theories. The self-glorification of an imagined past matched by habits of national denial have assumed crisis proportions today when Pakistan’s existence is under far more serious threat from fellow Muslims than it was in 1947 from rival non Muslim communities.

Pakistan ka matlab kiya? La illaha il lallah (What is the meaning of Pakistan? There is no God but Allah) has become the rallying cry of the campaign to Islamise Pakistani society. Ironically, it is a slogan that was coined long after the creation of Pakistan, but it is now being falsely ascribed to the leaders of the Pakistan movement in 1947.

Soon after he seized power in 1977, General Zia ul-Haq sought to create a nation based on religion rather than on secular principles. An important part of the Islamisation agenda was defining the Islamic ‘ideology’ of Pakistan. In stark contrast to modern textbooks, no textbook written prior to 1977 mentions the ‘Ideology of Pakistan’.

History was rewritten to redefine Pakistani as an Islamic society, and no research on ancient India, the medieval period or the colonial era. Our history was linked with the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates, thus alienating it from ancient Indian history. This interpretation creates a Muslim consciousness that seeks it’s identity outside India.

History textbooks written soon after Partition – a time when the grief of shattered families who experienced communal killings was at its peak – show a more liberal mindset. The history of the subcontinent was taken to start with the ancient Indus valley civilisations rather than with the conquest of India by the first Muslim invader, Mohammad bin Qasim, in 712.

September 6 commemorates the defense of the country against an Indian attack in 1965. According to our textbooks, it was India which attacked Lahore in the middle of the night, without any provocation, but our army won this war. The reality is that Pakistan started the 1965 war on August 5 by sending soldiers into Kashmir and India retaliated the following day.

14-year-old students of Pakistan Studies are being taught that: “one of the reasons of the downfall of the Muslims in the sub-continent was the lack of the spirit of jihad.”13-year-olds are instructed: “In Islam jihad is very important…..The person who offers his life never dies….All the prayers nurture one’s passion of jihad.”

Non-Muslims are forced to read the same textbooks which contain derogatory remarks against Hindus, e.g being eternal enemies of Muslims.

Many amongst this disenchanted segment have started seeing religion as their anchor and are attracted to demagogues like Zaid Hamid. A self-proclaimed jihadist who claims to have fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan, Hamid banks on the insecurity and frustrations of college students and television viewers. Hamid calls for the Pakistan Army to go to war against India and liberate Kashmir, Palestine, Chechnya and Afghanistan.

The British Council polled 1226 young Pakistanis between 18 and 29 in 2009 and found that ‘three-quarters of all young people identify themselves primarily as Muslims. Just 14 per cent chose to define themselves primarily as a citizen of Pakistan.’

AoA!

[shiv]

For Indians to think about Pakistan as a separate, problem Islamist nation - Indians as a people need to grow and become aware of the world in a manner that Europeans an Americans became aware a century and more ago. We are not there yet. Cursing and mocking is of no use. It only shows anger and disbelief that India is so backward in terms of self image as a sovereign nation. Which it is. Most Indians, including intellectuals and leaders don't even realise that India can be a country that can be a force to reckon with in the world. Until that awareness is created - all thought about Pakistan will be disjointed and dysfunctional. Those of us who feel we understand better must guide the nation. But mocking those who are dumb is a mistake. It won't win support even if the cause is just and truthful.

Indians have been deliberately fed false information about the world and have been segregated away from the world for the last 200 years by the colonial powers. Indians are like the guinea test creatures and have been under mind control for the last century. Indians have been the lemmings and been led by an elite who are colonized version of the west.

Acharya - Pakistan has been given the status of an "alter ego" for India. Not quite India but almost India. On BRF we speak at length of what Pakistanis think and how the Paki elite believed that they had all that was good in India and none of what was bad - leaving them (Pakistan and Pakistanis) as the true pure distillate/essence of India.

But what we do not discuss (mostly because it is OT for this thread and does not get the focus it needs on a hajaar other threads) is the fact that if Pakistanis considered themselves the essence of India - it was half believed by a large number of elite Indians who looked at Pakistan in the post independence years and admired what they saw in Pakistan and were ashamed or apologetic about India. Like the West that elite Indians admired, the tendency of Pakistanis to beautify the surroundings for themselves by building western aided motorways and shiny airports was swallowed by elite Indians as evidence of Pakistan's fundamental superiority. We have actually heard people speak glowingly of that right here on BRF - inthe early years - if you recall. And that was the 1990s!

No consideration was given by the Indian elite (because of their own mediocrity and ignorance) that the greatness of Pakistan was a facade where the poor and dark skinned lower social strata were hidden away and ignored to put up the pretence of beauty and development. Indians missed the point about the fact that many Indian royal families and elite had lived an artificially wealthy life in exalted wealthy western circles at the expense of a decrepit nation that was being bled dry by multiple rapine colonisers and rulers. In reality Pakistan was and remains all in all a deep shit pit of poverty, ignorance and turdworldness. But just like Mumbai's warts can be hidden away by living in an Ambani mansion - Pakistan's warts are hidden away, showing the shiny side which Indian fell for believing that Pakistan was actually something bigger and greater that it actually is.

It turns out that what Indians think about Pakistan is as important to the IndiaPakistan caclulus as what Pakistanis think about India. Pakistan said "We are rich we are great. We are beautiful. We are egalitarian". To this claim Indians have added the chorus "They(Pakis) are rich. they are great. They are beautiful. They are egalitarian". And based on their greatness we Indians look at ourselves and feel inadequate. These attitudes come back to us in a thousand different ways in the manner in which Indians elites speak of India and Indians.

And although Pakistan and India started off as nominally equal, but with India having many inherent political, economic and civilizational advantages, we still see things that Pakistan has done being highlighted as Indian inability and incompetence. Pakistan's ability to inflict pain on India is taken as a sign boldness and greatness. Pakistani chootzpah. We should do that to Pakistan, it is demanded. We too ned to show balls like Pakistani choothzpah. Pakistan signing itself off to the US and China is not seen as surrender. It is highlighted as some great pragmatic strategic alliance with great powers compared with stupid bumbling Indian non alignment. If there is any risk of showing Pakistan as inferior to India - that route is not taken. For example the fact that Pakistanis have sold out lock stock and barrel to the US is not a Pakistani mistake, it is US greatness. After all if the Indian has to say that Pakistan has made an error - he has to perform the unsavoury task of saying that India may have done something better than Pakistan. Cognitive dissonance kicks in. India cannot be better. It's not about Pakistani chutiyapanti, it's about US and Chinese greatness. The US is just so great that it controls Pakistan. The logic is convoluted but convenient. India is lousy. Pakistan is better and bolder, but the US is so great that it controls the better and bolder Pakistan. We hold Pakistan as a brother whom we cannot ignore or give up.

[chetak]

Over the top

Masood Hasan
Sunday, July 31, 2011

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HRK – Hina Rabbani Khar is drop dead gorgeous. Her three day fashion onslaught has left the Indians gasping for breath and ambulances howling all over the countryside. Here we are crooning with delight – the men exchanging high fives, the women – the sensible ones that is, shaking their heads slowly from side to side. Is HRK the nuclear device that we promised we’d explode over the Indian capital? Have we scored a major diplomatic victory over arch enemy India? Is HRK going to lead the country armed with nothing but a Hermes bag and change global policies with a snap of her diamond encrusted fingers? As the euphoria subsides and her Birkin bag is safely stowed away along with her undoubtedly large Hermes collection, we, the ordinary riff-raff of this despondently poor country need to take a good long look at the events of last week. If we don’t, rest assured the lollypops in Islamabad certainly won’t. Introspection is not as fashionable as Roberto Cavalli shades.

Let’s get one thing straight. One dresses for the occasion. Anyone recall Angelina Jolie’s ‘designer’ outfits on her many visits to the Afghan camps? There is a time and place for all things. I think HRK didn’t quite get that right. She has many things going for her but maturity and a sense of balance seem to be virtues that Pakistan’s new foreign minister does not care about much.

It is amazing that the old hands at Hotel Scherezade that masquerades as Pakistan’s foreign office thought little of actually ‘briefing’ Lady Bond before she flew in her special aircraft to New Delhi. (No PIA please. That’s for the plebs). Did anyone tell her what precisely was her mission, if any on her maiden voyage to India? I doubt it. While she must have spent an enormous amount of time choosing her wardrobe and accessories – she has a talent for accessories as a gushing designer confided last week, one wishes there were men or women who could have briefed her on how she must conduct herself – but this is unlikely in a country where ‘yes sir, yes sir, three bags full’, is the most successful strategy.

As it is the ‘success’ of her trip is best summed up in the joint communiqué glued eternally together with Fevikool, the wonder Indian adhesive, that both sides will stick to their points of view. As before one might add. Sure we can talk till the cows come home but that much has more or less been there almost always, so those crooning about a ‘great diplomatic victory’, need a knock on the head administered by Mr Ijaz Butt. Having demolished cricket, he now has the world’s largest bat collection.

India may be many things to many people but even the most vitriolic Indian-haters grudgingly accept that our two countries are now worlds apart – poles apart will no longer do justice to the real on-ground situation. The Indians are suave diplomats and they manage – with all its warts, the world’s largest democracy. Whether this is for public consumption or genuinely felt, there is a strong current of simplicity that runs across India and does not require 3-D glasses to see. All of us who have travelled to India have been surprised by their casual attitude to attire given most days. We who are so class and caste conscious on the other hand must display all the banal outer vestments since we value these far more than any principles.

The Indians thus dress so simply that you can mistake them for minions whereas they may be billionaires. They go to work in loose sandals and creased trousers or faded jeans but sit and make strategic decisions that run into billions of dollars and have the power to change the direction of their huge country. Simplicity is not a put on like our constant bowing and scraping to the Maker without any meaning or sincerity. Our rulers and high stake rollers live in mansions of glory. Indians richer than their counterparts here live in modest homes. Retired generals there live in small houses or high rise flats whereas our medal laden over-fed blobs lord it over topping all records of ostentation. Time and again you are flattened by this simplicity on display in India – if it’s a put on, my God they should give a Lifetime Achievement Award to all the affluent and influential people who live there.

It is in this context that one finds HRK’s jaunt into India nauseating and in gross bad taste. Did she go to a tense foreign ministers’ meeting or launch a fashion show? Did she read up on India? She represents an impoverished country, now permanently and shamelessly begging day and night for sustenance, for alms, for mercy to keep Ms Khar and her ilk in clover. She is part of one of the most disastrous governments it has been our misfortune to have – incompetent, brazen, cruel and corrupt. When it is knocked out sooner or later, no one will shed tears for the fallen leaders who have given loot and plunder a new dimension adding to that great robbery repertoire fine tuned to an art by their predecessors.

HRK’s government boasts of a two percent growth rate against India’s nine percent, has no power or gas and soon will have no water. It groans under loans, yet gives walloping funding to keep the ‘khakis’ happy, depriving millions of men, women and children such basics as health, education and sanctity of life yet live like kings. Its representatives like HRK and 24 other ministers in 2010 paid no income tax because they were poor. HRK coughed up Rs7,500 agricultural tax and declared that she couldn’t even afford a car! I suppose BMWs and Mercs must fall under the ‘donkey’ category.

She should have perhaps studied tapes on Sonia Gandhi who is always in cotton saris, her hair pulled back and with hardly any make up. You would not catch Sonia dead with a garish and ridiculously priced, diamond-laden wrist watch (Arab style) or pricey south sea pearls and US$900 Jimmy Choo shoes, but then that’s Sonia and this is Hina – chalk and cheese with Devonshire in between. When the PM who spends more time on his clothes than on the pressing needs of his wretched country went to Paris and called upon the French president, he ensured that he was all trussed up in a reportedly US$10,000 suit. Lady Bond, although it was evening had her designer shades perched on top of her pretty head. Babes out partying might do so for a lark but FMs with feudal blood coursing through their veins should avoid such nonsense. What a fantastic thing it would have been had she chosen to dress most simply, travelled by her national airline and told the Indians that she was here, in all humility and sincerity to move on and build bridges for the generations ahead. She should have said my country is struggling – with terrorism, suicide bombers, law and order, the Afghan problem, a poor economy and so on but that we would prevail if there is peace.

But then this is the stuff dreams are made of. In real life nothing like that happens – not here and we lost yet another opportunity to tell the world we are not shallow buffoons and idiots. Pakistanis are blaming the Indian media and Ms Khar left Islamabad in a huff, but when you set yourself up as she did, what is the media going to make of that? The ‘fash frat’ as one Indian newspaper said, had a field day and we had the customary egg on our face.

[abhishek_sharma]

Taking drones to court

Reforming Karachi's police

[shiv]

Did I miss the post on China blaming the Xingiang blasts on Paki trained turds??

Or is itold news already???

Do you mind "poasting" the link again. I need to put a congratulatory message on Chinese boards about their tall and deep friendship.

[shiv]

I have to disagree with our senior posters here. I think the 1965 war dealt a serious blow to Pakis "equal-equal" with India, and 1971 war finished it for good. Post 1971 Indians tend to have a different perspective than the older ones.
That is how I see it.

You are not wrong. But the IndiaPakistan relationship is not just what Pakis feel about India. It is also what Indians feel about Pakistan and about themselves and how they compare themselves with Pakistan. No amount of Pakistani fear or respect for India can compensate for an Indian feeling of uselessness about themselves. If Pakistanis thought "Pakistan is great, India is bad." Indians echoed that with "Yes India is bad". Pakistanis can quote a thousand reasons as to why India is bad. And Indians agree with that.

[shiv]

This one's a keeper.

The ideology of thought control in Pakistan

Certainly is. Thanks for posting

[Dipanker]

I have to disagree with our senior posters here. I think the 1965 war dealt a serious blow to Pakis "equal-equal" with India, and 1971 war finished it for good. Post 1971 Indians tend to have a different perspective than the older ones.
That is how I see it.

We are talking about the media and the WKKism of the Indian elite. The western govt use the same image to create to reduce the centrality of India in the sub continent.

Recall that India was not in the western camp until about 20 yearsago, so western attitude towards India was understandable. Nineties was when the paradigm started to shift and is still shifting.

Anyway given that average age of Indians is about 65 years, most of the Indians "social engineered" by British are dead. Since then we have had several generations of Indians and each generations have been more assertive than the previous.

Anyway OT here, can be further discussed in the OT thread. Back to Paki bashing!

[arun]

Did I miss the post on China blaming the Xingiang blasts on Paki trained turds??

Or is itold news already???

Do you mind "poasting" the link again. I need to put a congratulatory message on Chinese boards about their tall and deep friendship.

Take your pick:

Clicky

[shravan]

Explosive material disposed of: huge blasts rock Islamabad, cause panic

ISLAMABAD: Three ‘controlled explosions’ to destroy lethal explosive material packed by the al-Qaeda/Taliban in three vehicles, were carried out about 15 km away from the heart of the federal capital at a location near Simly Dam in Bhara Kahu Police Station area Monday evening.

Although, the explosive material was detonated under supervision of experts from the Pakistan Army and other concerned departments well outside the inhabited areas of the federal capital, yet the intensity was such that even in Sector F-6/2, the windowpanes rattled as a result of the shock-wave caused by the explosions.

Sources, on the customary condition of anonymity, told ‘The News’ that the vehicles were taken into custody by the law enforcing agencies many years ago from Dhok Kala Khan in Rawalpindi.
...

The intelligence agencies tracked these vehicles as those were intended to be used in launching suicide attacks on the then President and the Pakistan Army Chief, Gen Pervez Musharraf,” sources told ‘The News’.

The source said the most lethal explosive material was packed in these vehicles in a manner that the most trained bomb disposal squad officials found it better not to make any attempt to defuse it and take it out of these vehicles and recommended their destruction.

[vic]

Over the top

Masood Hasan
Sunday, July 31, 2011

Whether this is for public consumption or genuinely felt, there is a strong current of simplicity that runs across India and does not require 3-D glasses to see. All of us who have travelled to India have been surprised by their casual attitude to attire given most days. We who are so class and caste conscious on the other hand must display all the banal outer vestments since we value these far more than any principles.

The Indians thus dress so simply that you can mistake them for minions whereas they may be billionaires. They go to work in loose sandals and creased trousers or faded jeans but sit and make strategic decisions that run into billions of dollars and have the power to change the direction of their huge country. Simplicity is not a put on like our constant bowing and scraping to the Maker without any meaning or sincerity.

She represents an impoverished country, now permanently and shamelessly begging day and night for sustenance, for alms, for mercy to keep Ms Khar and her ilk in clover. She is part of one of the most disastrous governments it has been our misfortune to have – incompetent, brazen, cruel and corrupt. When it is knocked out sooner or later, no one will shed tears for the fallen leaders who have given loot and plunder a new dimension adding to that great robbery repertoire fine tuned to an art by their predecessors.

HRK’s government boasts of a two percent growth rate against India’s nine percent, has no power or gas and soon will have no water. It groans under loans, yet gives walloping funding to keep the ‘khakis’ happy, depriving millions of men, women and children such basics as health, education and sanctity of life yet live like kings. Its representatives like HRK and 24 other ministers in 2010 paid no income tax because they were poor. HRK coughed up Rs7,500 agricultural tax and declared that she couldn’t even afford a car! I suppose BMWs and Mercs must fall under the ‘donkey’ category.

She should have perhaps studied tapes on Sonia Gandhi who is always in cotton saris, her hair pulled back and with hardly any make up. You would not catch Sonia dead with a garish and ridiculously priced, diamond-laden wrist watch (Arab style) or pricey south sea pearls and US$900 Jimmy Choo shoes, but then that’s Sonia and this is Hina – chalk and cheese with Devonshire in between.

[jamwal]

^^

Wrong link

[SSridhar]

K'rachi Halwa news:

Altaf gives govt 48 hrs ‘deadline’ to impede Karachi violence

If Altaf bhai gives such a deadline then it means that his guys are taking a heavy beating.

[Pratyush]

Some write ups in the TOI about the visit of TSP (C)hor.

1) The beauty lie

2) The 'Khar' desert

[habal]

I tell ya the WKKs had a better picture of the truth than hyper patriots. At lest they realised that paying Pakistan off and sucking up is better than blind opposition. Paying Pakistan off is what the US and China are doing. But we won;t call them WKKs. We call them strong

Funny innit?

If Indians want to suck up to Pakistan, they are cowardly WKKs

If Chinese and US suck up to Pakistan it is called great power games. I tell ya! This is called "strategic, nationalistic thought!" Bulldung is what it is.

the WKK seem to be smart and opportunist. They know that vain glorious 'hermes & birkin' RAPE types and their need for social acceptance & attention and play them for suckers, flattering RAPEs on their sense of fashion & TFTAness, getting them high and dropping some tidbit about how India is not playing fair and 'discriminating against muslims' at fai-seminar circuits and social/diplomatic gatherings and they know that there is easy money to be made and income to be generated from this exercise.

Nobody is going to give them a second look if they eulogise India and it's democracy. People like Rajinder Sachchar, Padgaonkar, MSA know that there are committees (in India) to be part of and seminars to attend if they give an impression of being critical of India in front of RAPEs or seminar circuit. For the RAPEs they are useful idiots and the WKKs may well know themselves that Pakis are upto no good.

[shiv]

Allow me to use a vulgar analogy because it helps me express what I want to express. Imagine a nymphomaniac who offers herself to me. She tells me that I can do anything I want with her and that she is mine to use as I like, and that all she wants in return is a few things that I can easily supply her with - maybe a few cups of coffee and some knives for her to use. Now imagine that I comply with her request and actually start enjoying her company, giving her the little she wants. I even look away when she occasionally sleeps with someone else, and gets gifts from the other guy.

The rhetorical question that stems from this situation is whether I am a successful "ladies man" who has seduced a woman like no one else can manage. or is it just my luck that I was about when she wanted it bad and had a ready supply of coffee and knives.

You can tell the story in two ways. You can say - hey shiv is a real ladies man - look how he has grabbed hold of that woman. In this narrative, the fact that she is a nymphomaniac who readily and easily offers herself to me is forgotten. It wil stay forgotten indefinitely unless something changes. What can change? Well maybe the nympho one day tells me - look all these knives and coffees are not good enough - you need to kill my neighbour for me and let me have his house. Now if I am unable to do that the woman starts acting funny with me and playing hard to get. I cant use her any more. The story that I am such a big ladies man who controls the girls with my wealth and charms starts eroding at the edges.

The US Pakistan relationship is like this story. The narrative that is often expressed is the one in which the US's great power is highlighted with no mention of the fact that Pakistan willingly allowed herself to come under US control. To say that the US is playing great power games is OK - but a bit like shiv's success with women. He got lucky with the Paki nympho that's all. He had no luck with Iranian and North Korean women. And now even the nympho is acting tough. The Paki nympho is acting tough with the US and the US is faced wit some serious tough choices for its love life. US and Chinese control over Pakistan goes only as far as the nympho is willing to give herself.

[menon s]

Assorted witticisms of "Karachi Bob" aka Rehman Malik.
Compiled, https://sites.google.com/site/desmukh/r ... on-karachi

KARACHI: Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Saturday said that the government has officially hired the services of satellite imaging experts to tackle the situation in Karachi.

After initially pointing fingers at the Taliban, Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik has come out with a bizarre theory on the raging violence in Karachi, blaming "wives and girlfriends" for 70 per cent of the killings in the city where ethnic and political rivalries have claimed scores of lives.

Rahman Malik said that he has ordered for surveillance planes to be brought to Karachi for locating and weeding out the ever-allusive target killers, who have let loose a reign of terror and bloodshed in the city.

[Aditya_V]

Assorted witticisms of "Karachi Bob" aka Rehman Malik.
Compiled, https://sites.google.com/site/desmukh/r ... on-karachi

KARACHI: Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Saturday said that the government has officially hired the services of satellite imaging experts to tackle the situation in Karachi.

After initially pointing fingers at the Taliban, Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik has come out with a bizarre theory on the raging violence in Karachi, blaming "wives and girlfriends" for 70 per cent of the killings in the city where ethnic and political rivalries have claimed scores of lives.

Rahman Malik said that he has ordered for surveillance planes to be brought to Karachi for locating and weeding out the ever-allusive target killers, who have let loose a reign of terror and bloodshed in the city.

To do this satelite technology monitoring

1) you should have Powerful video cameras on Satellites with Miltary grade resolution- doubt anybody but CIA has that kind of resolution for still images, forget video.

2) to cover All of Karchi at any given point 2 Polar satelites will have to be over Karachi, God only knows to have such 24X7 coverage how many satelites you would need.

3) His country paints a few missiles with the Green flag but Has 0 experience in operating let alone building satelites.

Talk about empty threats.

[shravan]

KARACHI: 10 killed on 1st day of Ramadan

[Narad]

^^^

Newbie Sawal: What variant of pa'stan IEDology this belongs to?

[Sri]

Pakistan scores lowest in speculative rating. Just tard above junk...

[Aditya_V]

Pakistan scores lowest in speculative rating. Just tard above junk...

OT- But that Map shows why ratings are Bollocks, how does UK stan with GBP 1.4 Trillion and GBP 4 Trillion Debt get rated AAA, last I heard they have huge problems paying thier Government Debt and Interest Commitements?

[Sriman]

^^^

Newbie Sawal: What variant of pa'stan IEDology this belongs to?

http://www.dawn.com/2011/08/02/politica ... peace.html

Asked about the identity of the groups involved in the violence, SSP for District West Asif Ajaz told Dawn that apparently the Muttahida Qaumi Movement and the Awami National Party were fighting it out.

The police said that unidentified armed men riding motorbikes killed Habibur Rehman, 45, Naeem Niaz, 30, and Imran Husain, 26, in the Khuda Ki Basti, Taiser Town and Yousaf Goth areas of Surjani Town.

“The three men were targeted apparently due to their ethnic background, for they didn’t belong to any political party,” said a police official of the area.

Most likely mohajirs.

[Sri]

OT- But that Map shows why ratings are Bollocks, how does UK stan with GBP 1.4 Trillion and GBP 4 Trillion Debt get rated AAA, last I heard they have huge problems paying thier Government Debt and Interest Commitements?

Also Ireland, Spain and others are rated above India...

[menon s]

NYT on indo Pakistan Talks
This is the state department speaking.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/opini ... r=1&src=tp

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of India deserves huge credit for staying engaged despite Pakistan’s failure to prosecute those responsible for the 2008 horrors. And he deserves credit for not shooting first and asking questions later after the recent attacks.
We wish we could say the same of Pakistan’s leaders. Before there can be a true reconciliation, and stability in the region, Pakistan’s Army must realize that using militants to try to counter Indian influence in Kashmir and Afghanistan is self-destructive — and that homegrown extremism, not India, is the real threat to Pakistan’s survival.

The United States and its allies are planning a conference in Bonn in December and hope to rally international support for a broad regional strategy that includes a peace deal for Afghanistan, trade agreements and ambitious energy projects. India and Pakistan need to be full participants. The payoff could be huge if their leaders muster the courage to resolve their differences.

[Aditya_V]

KARACHI: 10 killed on 1st day of Ramadan

Per TOI the number is marginally higher

34 killed in ongoing wave of violence in Karachi

BTW anther Gem from Rehman Malik

Karachi's killing fields: Pak in Catch-22

Home minister Rehman Malik claims that external factors are involved in Karachi's violence. "Israeli ammunition was used by criminals in several incidents," Malik claimed.

Its all YYY consipiracy only to defame the Pure.

[Samudragupta]

Global Muslim Strategic depth...Dawn on 15/8/1947...

http://twitpic.com/5zrlp6/full

[CRamS]

NYT on indo Pakistan Talks
This is the state department speaking.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/opini ... r=1&src=tp

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of India deserves huge credit for staying engaged despite Pakistan’s failure to prosecute those responsible for the 2008 horrors. And he deserves credit for not shooting first and asking questions later after the recent attacks.

This kind of condescension, oh you are a good boy despite the wrongs done to you by our all-lie TSP, is worse than Andrew Strauss complementing Dhoni for recalling Bell after the humiliating mauling India received at Lords and Trent Bridge . Sad part is those who are now praising WKKism as some kind of grandiose Chanakyan strategy and comparing India with USA/China, will actually celebrate this tripe.

[ArmenT]

Ok, now this is taking taller than the mountains and deeper than the oceans a bit too far. Looks like Pakis view the Chinese as more favorable than the Chinese themselves!

6% of the Chinese view themselves unfavorably, compared to only 3% of the Pakis!

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unfav ... na2009.png

That was from 2009. Here's latest numbers from 2011! Pakis still love the Chinese more than the Chinese themselves.
http://pewglobal.org/database/?indicato ... nfavorable

[habal]

the more India applies pressure on Pakistan and takes a tough stance, the US will use that as an opportunity to release pressure and get their afpak stuff done. This has now become a zero-sum game, it is better if something is indeed in the works to give the Pakis no hint about it and go about your job quietly, instead of shouting, finger-pointing, flinging some dossier as if that would solve the issue. NYT or ABC can praise India or criticize it, doesn't make any difference. The Americans do take a lot of glee in labeling MMS as a homeboy.

[shravan]

Taliban kill two soldiers in tribal area

PESHAWAR: A group of Taliban fighters Tuesday gunned down two soldiers in the northwestern tribal area along the Afghan border, security officials said.

The militants used machine guns to attack a roadside military post near Ladha town in South Waziristan district before escaping into the mountains.

[svinayak]

Global Muslim Strategic depth...Dawn on 15/8/1947...

http://twitpic.com/5zrlp6/full

Check the link to Hyderabad India.
The Nizam paid the salary for the entire Pakistan in the first few years after 1947.

[James B]

'Do away with Afghan Haqqani network'

The US has warned Pakistan that unless it moved to eliminate terror groups like the Afghan Haqqani network, it could affect relations between Washington and Islamabad. The warning came from top US military commander Admiral Mike Mullen who said US is fast losing patience with the pace of Pakistan's security forces to cleanse the border area with Afghanistan of al Qaeda and other militant groups.