Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 May 2012 06:49

Apparently Zaradari was also left out of photo session. Nato leaders were afraid of breathing in fabulous Lahori enviorenmental treat.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 23 May 2012 07:22

Jhujar wrote:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... istan.html
NATO Summit’s Big Loser: Behind Obama’s Snub of Pakistan

A piskological aside from me.

Obama, during his college days, visited Pajistan and stayed there for the summer at the home of his former roommate. Surely at that time he got acquainted with the oily fake-hospitality that a Pakjabi family will show to a black man whom they secretly resent for being from a richer and more powerful country. He may have been called "kallu" and worse by the Pakis he encountered.

So he KNOWS the deal with the Pakjabis. Which is:

When a Gora is in charge of the GOTUS, the best leverage that Gora leader has over Pakis is to flatter and praise them at every turn. Pakis are easily manipulated by the flattery of a white man or woman... it reminds them of the "respect" they once earned as sipahis with TFTA Martial Mard characteristics. They will gladly pay for the vaseline from their own pockets, when a white man asks them to GUBO while appearing to respect their H&D.

The Gora leader knows that lavishing praise and flattery on the Pakis is his most powerful instrument. On the other hand, scolding and insulting the Pakis will only breed sullenness because the Pakis will resent that their TFTA honour and dignity is not being recognized by the more-TFTA Gora. So flattery is the diplomatic language of the day.

The system turns on its head when a Kallu is in charge of the GOTUS. A Kallu who is respectful and considerate of Paki H&D will be looked upon as servile, and "knowing his place"... praise and flattery will be taken for granted, as if it is only natural for a Kallu to bow to his superior TFTA Paki masters. So the praise/flattery instrument becomes exponentially less powerful for a black POTUS to use on the Pakis.

By contrast, when a Kallu like Obama snubs, kicks, spits on, ignores and belittles a TFTA Paki mard... the reaction is exponentially STRONGER than if a white sahib does it. It causes total cognitive dissonance, consternation, outrage and massive H&D loss for the Pakis! These kinds of negative kicks and jhaapads, therefore, constitute a much more powerful instrument of Paki-manipulation, in the hands of a Kallu President, than flattery etc. ever could.

I would keep this in mind when considering the US-Paki game. Actual policy may not have changed that much; just the tone of the interactions, and the words with which these are described in the news, are completely opposite under Obama to the way they were under Bush.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2012 08:22

Rudradev - I think you are dead right. I know you have posted this before but it is so right that the post must not be lost again. It must be archived somewhere as BRF gyan and I am sure this is one definite example of BRF ahead of curve.

Pakistanis, especially Pakjabis probably see themselves as "white man" and will take credit for moon landings over black man. The "Black people are inferior" tradition has come down from poobah himself. I am sure Obama understands this unique Pakistani psychology.

The concern of course is that a future ignorant white US president may be so taken in by Paki servility and imagine that he is so charming and effective with Pakis unlike Obama's inability to get shtitstani cooperation and go right back to square 1. Maybe that is what the Pakis want?

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 23 May 2012 09:01

^^
Fantastic post as usual by RD. I think there may be one more factor here. "black slaves are meant to serve islam " attitude must have been recorded on tape by surveillance of Zardari and the evidence found in Osama's pindi house plotting his assassination with ISI's hand must also have weighed in.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 23 May 2012 09:48

Shiv wrote: The "Black people are inferior" tradition has come down from poobah himself.

saars, any piskology on this ?

Poobah wrote:

Narrated Anas* bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."

*did quran misspell this name ?

should not a "u" replace the "a"

from wikislam http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Had ... ack_People

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2012 09:58

The statement was that black people are equal in every way except righteousness.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 May 2012 10:58

Taliban commander wants Pakistan's nukes, global Islamic caliphate
By BILL ROGGIOMarch 20, 2012

Omar Khalid [center], from his latest propaganda video. Image from the SITE Intelligence Group.

One of the top leaders of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan said the terror group seeks to overthrow the Pakistani government, impose sharia, or Islamic law, seize the country's nuclear weapons, and wage jihad until "the Caliphate is established across the world."

The statements were made by Omar Khalid al Khurasani, the al Qaeda-linked leader of the Movement the Taliban in Pakistan's branch in the Mohmand tribal agency, in a video that was released on jihadist web forums yesterday. The video, which also discussed the history and evolution of the Movement the Taliban in Pakistan, was released by Umar Studios and has been translated by the SITE Intelligence Group.

In the video, Khalid said the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan was united and strong and operating under the leadership of Hakeemullah Mehsud. Khalid outlined five "important goals" of the Taliban: overthrow the Pakistani institutions; release both Pakistani and "foreign" fighters; impose sharia law; obtain a nuclear weapon; and establish a global caliphate.

"First of all, we aim to counter the Pakistani government, its intelligence agencies, and its army, which are each against Islam and have oppressed the mujahideen and their families," Khalid said, according to the SITE translation. The Taliban want to "avenge the oppression of the mujahideen in the tribal and urban areas" as well as the "humiliation of the mujahideen in Pakistani prisons."

"Our second objective is to seek the safe release of Pakistani and foreign mujahideen in Pakistan," Khalid continued. The term "foreign mujahideen" refers to members of al Qaeda and other outside terror groups such as the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

Khalid said the Taliban want to "replace the English system of democracy with Islamic Shariah" as "the Pakistani system has nothing to do with Islam."

Khalid also said that the Taliban want to seize Pakistan's nuclear weapons and "other resources," including the army, to defend Islam.

"Another objective of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan is to use Pakistan's strengths including the atomic bomb, army, and other resources, to guide other Muslim countries and for the survival of Islam," Khalid said. "Pakistan's soil, Pakistan's people and Pakistan's mujahideen must not be used to serve American interests, but must be used for the survival and integrity of Islam."

Finally, Khalid said that the Taliban would continue their fight even after taking over Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Our objectives are as clear as the orders in the Qur'an, which is our constitution. Allah said in the Qur'an: 'Fight against hypocrites and apostates till there is no more fitna [sedition],'" he said. "So, until Islam is implemented in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the Caliphate is established across the world, our jihad will continue. This is our first and foremost objective."

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... z1vfUeEwkT

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 May 2012 11:38

National Investigation Agency (NIA) reveals that Diplomats from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s, particularly those based in Dhaka, were involved in the smuggling of Indian currency counterfeited in Pakistan using diplomatic bags into India:

‘Pak mission officials in fake note racket’

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 May 2012 12:04

posting an article i found, its an interview with an australian doctor who led the programme of abortions and adoptions of the bangladeshi rape victims in 1971. the article is worth reading in full, brings out the paqui mentality at its venal worst

Bina D'Costa interview with Geoff Davis

please cross post to other threads as relevant

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 23 May 2012 12:10

Lalmohan ji - surely this work is pure fiction. After all, Sarmila Bose who openly lusts after Wasim Akram tells us that these rapes did not happen at all.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 May 2012 12:16

well you see, sarmila and wasim are both brown skinned (albeit lightly so), the aussie is white skinned (though some sun brown) - so maybe his truth is worth more
hain ji?

partha · Post by **partha** » 23 May 2012 12:20

Lalmohan wrote:posting an article i found, its an interview with an australian doctor who led the programme of abortions and adoptions of the bangladeshi rape victims in 1971. the article is worth reading in full, brings out the paqui mentality at its venal worst

Bina D'Costa interview with Geoff Davis

please cross post to other threads as relevant

Thanks for sharing. Very difficult to read. This needs to be propagated across the Internet.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 23 May 2012 13:22

arun wrote:National Investigation Agency (NIA) reveals that Diplomats from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s, particularly those based in Dhaka, were involved in the smuggling of Indian currency counterfeited in Pakistan using diplomatic bags into India:

‘Pak mission officials in fake note racket’

They've been doing it for a while actually and not just from Bangladesh. Nepal is one more big transit point because of the large border between Nepal and UP/Bihar. If I remember correctly, a few years ago, one Paki diplomat was caught red-handed by Nepalese police, while he was in possession of fake Indian currency. Nepalese government wanted to arrest him, but he had diplomatic immunity and therefore they could only kick him out for doing things incompatible with his diplomatic status
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/591704.stm <-- Found the article.

They're also known to use Sri Lanka, Dubai, Malaysia and Thailand as drop off points. In 2007, a couple of people were caught in Thailand with fake Indian currency.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 May 2012 13:45

The scum were not only peddling fake notes but even explosives in nepal:
Expelled Pak. diplomat leaves Nepal

The Pakistani diplomat, expelled yesterday from Nepal after being found in possession of powerful explosives, left for home today, officials said.

The Pakistan embassy's First Secretary, Mr. Mohammad Arshad Cheema, and his wife, Ms. Rubina Cheema, were detained on Thursday at a rented house in Kathmandu. Mr. Cheema was arrested for possessing 16 kg of explosives.

``Mr. Cheema and his wife left for Pakistan today late afternoon on board the Pakistan International Airlines,'' a Home Ministry official said. He was escorted to the airport by police.

IIRC this was a IB led operation and Cheema was the same guy who had supplied weapons to hijackers of IC-814 at the Tribhuvan airport using diplomatic baggage route.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 23 May 2012 14:12

Bakis passed off so many fake high denomination INR notes via Nepal that the Nepalese eventually passed a law that makes it an arrestable offence to carry Indian Rs. 500 and Rs. 1000 notes! Luckily, lower denomination rupee notes are still cheerfully accepted in most of Nepal without any questions.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2012 14:54

ArmenT wrote:Bakis passed off so many fake high denomination INR notes via Nepal that the Nepalese eventually passed a law that makes it an arrestable offence to carry Indian Rs. 500 and Rs. 1000 notes! Luckily, lower denomination rupee notes are still cheerfully accepted in most of Nepal without any questions.

True. You can only carry Rs 100 notes into Nepal

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 23 May 2012 15:12

With the Maoists and Islamists beginning to take roots within Nepal, i see a day when China will move in. The disputed territories will include Darjeeling, Nepals borders with Uttaranchal, UP and Bihar. China will claim Bodh Gaya. 3.5 friends and Google will start marking in dots, Uttaranchal, Darjeeling and Bodh Gaya. Headlines in 40 years will read, Chinese troops made 500 incursions into the disputed Line of Control in UP and Bihar in the past year. The FM said the borders are peaceful, we are having regular talks on border issues at the command post levels across the UP-Bihar-Uttaranchal borders with China. China will say, we always have believed in peaceful dialogue on border issues with India. It is our long held belief that Buddha is sacred to the Chinese people and Bodh Gaya has been marked as holiest place for the Buddha who was actually a Chinese. Ramachandra Guha, Romila Thapar and Arundhati Roy will say Shiv was a Chinese too. Kailash and Mansarover (Abode of Shiva) has been proved by the CCP to be Chinese territory and so if Shiva is Chinese what is wrong in Chinese claiming Buddha and Bodh Gaya. We are a secular country and should not look at these complex issues through the prism of religion. Too many wars and bloodshed has been caused by religion.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 May 2012 15:13

anyway, not a blade of grass grows around mansarovar and/or bodhgaya

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 23 May 2012 15:28

Yes, not a blade of grass grows in Mansarover and Bodh Gaya too is unproductive. Also Indian troops aggressive forward patrolling on Northern Bihar and UP borders does not help bring about trust. Plus Nepalese refugees in India must not be given a political platform to air their views. Former Indian PMS have acknowledge the One China policy and these Nepalese are splittist. India is in talks and has refused to hand over top anti Chinese Nepalese leaders, indicating India is taking a strong stand against China. Hardline Indian leaders pushing for that stance are not helping China- India peaceful relations. Pakistan fully supports and endorses China's claims on Bodh Gaya. US and UK say theyare in favor of a stable Asia and good relations between China and India. Trade between the two is upwards of 400 billion USD. There are also plenty of poor people in both countries says an oped by Roy in Guardian.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 May 2012 15:33

anyway, your name is like harbin s
thats a town in china
so, you must be chinese
why are you resisting?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 May 2012 15:36

Buddha is Chinese, Shiv is just a myth unless you are talking about Mulla Hakim who has changed his POV again on TSP..

Nepal is a much more convenient staging point for Beijing to use compared to the far eastern states as they are too far from the mainstream. That's why Beijings' puppets in India have been providing all help to Maoists and training them in the art of pleasing Beijing and being good soldiers for the 'cause'. See my post in Nepal thread. The yellow media interviews them like they are gods, asking questions with enormous respect and rapist goon's alma maters give them 'Lal salaam' to welcome them.

If one day the red flag can be hoisted in India at gun point, Nepal and the corridor it provides to receive Beijing's assistance will provide a huge boost.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 23 May 2012 16:15

Replying to the Chinese 'Myth' of Shiva in strategic scenario thread.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 23 May 2012 17:16

Atomic weapons are against Islam, Ahmadinejad insists

Are Pakkis Unislamic then?

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 May 2012 17:26

X posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

The Mohammadden Terrorist supporting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on full display with those who would bring terrorists to justice punished even as the terrorists themselves are sheltered from punishment.

The doctor, Shakil Afridi, who tipped off the US that Mohammadden terrorist Osama Bin Laden was holed up right next to the Pakistan Military Academy at Kakul is sentenced to a 30 year jail term. Meanwhile Mohammadden terrorist Hafiz Saeed continues to enjoy unmolested life in open sight in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Dr Shakil Afridi sentenced for US spying

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 23 May 2012 18:08

Who is nutjob to comment on what is Islamic and what is not? According to the hadith loving Sunni-Wahabi Pak nation which is 400% pure, he and his clan are not Islamic in the first place..

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 23 May 2012 18:18

shiv wrote:Pakistanis, especially Pakjabis probably see themselves as "white man" and will take credit for moon landings over black man.

Pithy. Kudos, Dr Shiv.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 23 May 2012 18:23

arun wrote:X posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

The Mohammadden Terrorist supporting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on full display with those who would bring terrorists to justice punished even as the terrorists themselves are sheltered from punishment.

The doctor, Shakil Afridi, who tipped off the US that Mohammadden terrorist Osama Bin Laden was holed up right next to the Pakistan Military Academy at Kakul is sentenced to a 30 year jail term. Meanwhile Mohammadden terrorist Hafiz Saeed continues to enjoy unmolested life in open sight in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Dr Shakil Afridi sentenced for US spying

The US has to act to somehow get him free else it will set a bad precedent to other potential spies that unkil will dump them once the job is done.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 23 May 2012 18:25

Lalmohan wrote:posting an article i found, its an interview with an australian doctor who led the programme of abortions and adoptions of the bangladeshi rape victims in 1971. the article is worth reading in full, brings out the paqui mentality at its venal worst

Bina D'Costa interview with Geoff Davis

please cross post to other threads as relevant

thanks for that. horrific reading.

GD: Oh, because it involved abortion and adoption of babies. And one aspect was that West Pakistan was a commonwealth country and all the officers were trained in England. It was hideously embarrassing for the British government. The West Pakistani officials didn’t get why there was so much fuss about that. I interviewed a lot of them. They were in a prison in Comilla and in pretty miserable circumstances. And they were saying, ‘What are they going on about? What were we supposed to have done? It was a war!’

B: How did they justify raping the women?

GD: They had orders of a kind or instruction from Tikka Khan to the effect that a good Muslim will fight anybody except his father. So what they had to do was to impregnate as many Bengali women as they could. That was the theory behind it.

B: Why did they have to impregnate the women? Did they tell you?

GD: Yes, so there would be a whole generation of children in East Pakistan that would be born with the blood from the West. That’s what they said.

B: Numerous documents from Pakistan still suggest that the number of rapes had been grossly exaggerated. Do you think that’s true?

GD: No. Probably the numbers are very conservative compared with what they did. The descriptions of how they captured towns were very interesting. They’d keep the infantry back and put artillery ahead and they would shell the hospitals and schools. And that caused absolute chaos in the town. And then the infantry would go in and begin to segregate the women. Apart from little children, all those were sexually matured would be segregated while the rest of the infantry tied… the rest of the town, which would involve shooting everybody who was involved with the East Pakistani government or the Awami League. And then the women would be put in the compound under guard and made available to the troops.

I think this should be up there in the first post.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 23 May 2012 18:29

So how far are we away before TSP is bombed to the stone age? Relationship is right now as deep and dark as the heart of evil Kayani.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 23 May 2012 18:31

A new kanadian vija applicant is found.

The last(ing) tango

If abused patience runs the risk of turning into fury, has American patience with Pakistan finally run out and should we expect a major falling-out?

By Monday, it was clear Pakistan had been shipwrecked on the rocks of its own intransigence, reduced to a hangdog at a summit at which it had thought it was a late but indispensible guest. President Obama first refused to meet one-on-one with President Zardari and then let the castaway president sit by and watch as Obama ignored Pakistan and thanked Russia and other Central Asian countries for providing “critical transit” of war supplies into Afghanistan since pesky Islamabad decided to close down routes. This after successive snubs from the Nato secretary-general and Defence Secretary Panetta.

Suddenly, no one had any interest in poor AZ or an even poorer Pakistan.

American messaging was clear enough: we thought we had a deal - an unconditional invitation for Pakistan to attend the Nato summit in exchange for opening routes. We sent negotiators to Pakistan who spent weeks trying to narrow differences. We had every reason - got every signal - to believe an agreement on re-establishing routes was imminent. And yet, Zardari arrived in Chicago without a deal in his pocket but full of demands: a review of the US drones’ policy, a public apology for Salala, more money for each truck passing through the supply routes. That wasn’t part of the deal. And what’s with Ambassador Sherry Rehman writing an op-ed in the Chicago Tribune a day before the summit, demanding the Salala apology?

We’re eyeing the exits in Afghanistan and it looks like Pakistan wants to hurt, not help, our goals - is the American message. Sorry, but you’re benched if you don’t understand the rules of the game well enough.

So, as one US official put it; “If they’re [Pakistanis] feeling a little bit of pressure this weekend, they should...The US and Nato are ready to move beyond this issue.”

But are they? Will they? Has Washington lost all appetite for engaging Islamabad? When public humiliation comes, can malign neglect and active isolation be far behind? In a bid to end Islamabad’s defiance, which route will the US now take?

Not the punishment route, that’s for sure. There are, after all, good reasons for why the US has exercised ‘strategic patience’ for so long despite Pakistani sass.

Let’s start with the basics. Will the United States’ heavy reliance on the land route through Pakistan disappear in the next year? Unlikely. And even while the pullout may throw up new policy options, does President Obama really have all the levers he expects?

Just think back to the 1990s - the US cutting off military and civilian assistance and imposing sanctions? Remember how that story ended? Definitely not with Pakistan giving up on developing nuclear capability. Even today, consider the fall-out of US arrogance and pigheadedness on the Raymond Davis affair: Pakistan’s civilian and military leaders were forced to combine forces and help encourage anti-Americanism and inflame a bubbling nationalism already bloodied by religion and anti-outsider passions.

Does the US really want to wield the stick and risk making Pakistan’s ‘nationalistic’ elites and public even less cooperative?

And then there are the good guys on both sides who believe, especially after Kerry Lugar, that the US won’t wield the stick because it genuinely wants to help build a more capable, democratic, responsible - in short, a better - Pakistan. That it doesn’t just want Pakistan to comply with its immediate security needs but also has a long-term vision for the country. It realises that even if it got what it wanted on the security front right now, that would not solve the problems Pakistan may pose for American security in the future. And so, while the US may roar at Pakistan on occasion, and grunt and grumble, ultimately, it will desist from using the nuclear options.

But maybe, there’s a more menacing explanation for why US ‘strategic patience’ is the gift that keeps on giving. Maybe this has something to do with an understanding on the US side that it needs to cut its losses in Afghanistan and exit while Pakistan will persist as the ‘main’ problem. Maybe the US has come to realise that the real, far greater threat is an unstable, nuclear-armed Pakistan. If that really is the lesson Obama has learnt from the Af-Pak conundrum - that it should really have been the Pak-Af conundrum - then maybe it makes sense for the US to go easy on Pakistan right now because ‘addressing’ the Pakistan problem in the next phase, post the Afghan war, would require some kind of relationship with Pakistan.

Even after the US pullout from Afghanistan, the Americans will continue to retain strategic regional interests, Central Asian energy resources being one of the key attractions. Moscow and Washington may be cooperating today but the thought of a resurgent Russia leaves Washington feeling queasy. The growing influence of Iran in the region will need to be cornered and the Haqqani elephant in the room will still need to be tamed.

There is life beyond the Afghan war and US policy makers realise that Pakistan is an important part of it.

For all these reasons and more, isolating Pakistan is not an option; neither is slashing military and civilian assistance, severing intelligence cooperation, escalating drone strikes, initiating unilateral cross-border raids or even declaring Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism and imposing sanctions on it. In a relationship mired by surprises - such as the Raymond Davis episode or the bin Laden raid - direct lines of communication are a requirement for the management of the unexpected.

So, no surprises on what to expect from the US: it may do everything wrong before it finally does the right thing, but it’s unlikely it will abandon Pakistan or wield the dreaded stick.

But how will Pakistan behave and will it get its act together? - that’s probably where the surprises will lie.

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 23 May 2012 18:41

^^The usual holding a gun to your head crap...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 May 2012 18:46

sum wrote:Expelled Pak. diplomat leaves Nepal

sum, the above is a very old news report.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 May 2012 19:15

^^ Sridhar-sir,
Was just posted to illustrate how the TSP "diplomats" peddle everything from explosives to fake maal.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 May 2012 19:29

Circulation of FICN in India by Pakistan is an example of how everybody in Pakistan works together in subverting India. The FICN project is handled by the PA/ISI. The GoP imports extra (much above their requirements) currency-standard papers from Europe for this purpose and government's currency printing presses are used to print FICN. The diplomats, PIA and ISI contacts & cells are used to push them into India. Pakistani diplomatic missions in the region such as in Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Thailand are used for this purpose. There is absolutely no intention on Pakistan's part to seek a normal state-to-state relationship with India. Pakistan will not stop unless and until it brings India down to its knees. It may ( and will) perish in the process but that hardly matters to the momin. There is absolutely no scope for aman with the barbarians.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 May 2012 20:59

Why dont the TTP attack the govt printing press and set it on fire!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 23 May 2012 21:17

Pakistani doctor jailed for helping CIA find Osama bin Laden

PESHAWAR: A Pakistani doctor accused of helping the CIA find Osama bin Laden has been jailed for 33 years for treason, television channels and a local government official said.

The official said Shakil Afridi was accused of running a fake vaccination campaign believed to have helped the American intelligence agency track bin Laden in a Pakistani town, where he was killed in a US special forces raid last May.

The imprisonment is likely to anger ally Washington at a sensitive time, with both sides engaged in difficult talks over re-opening NATO supply routes to US-led troops in Afghanistan.

US officials had hoped Pakistan, a recipient of billions of dollars in American aid, would release Afridi, detained after the unilateral operation which killed bin Laden and strained ties with Islamabad.

In January, US defense secretary Leon Panetta said in a television interview that Afridi and his team had been key in finding bin Laden, describing him as helpful and insisting the doctor had not committed treason or harmed Pakistan.

Wait for him to turn up in Massa. yet it is not the proverbial last straw which broke camel back

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 May 2012 21:28

Escape From Al Poaqtraz

Revised visa rules likely as home secretary heads to Pakistan for talks
A high-level delegation led by the Union home secretary left for Islamabad [ Images ] on Wednesday for the India-Pakistan HS-level talks to be held on May 24-25, 2012. The last round of talks between the two sides was held in New Delhi [ Images ] in March 2011, and the joint statement then had identified cooperation in the area of counter-terrorism, progress in bringing the fugitives of the Mumbai [ Images ] terrorist attacks case to justice and a revised bilateral visa agreement as some of the priorities. The Indian delegation consists of the director of Intelligence Bureau, director-general of the National Investigation Agency and other concerned officials. The broad agenda of the talks would focus on terrorism, fugitives from Indian law, narcotics and humanitarian issues such as of Indian fishermen and civilians in Pakistan jails.
The visit comes against the immediate backdrop of Pakistan President Asif Zardari's visit to India [ Images ] on April 8, during which Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh [ Images ] had stressed the need for Pakistan to take firm action to curb terrorism, bring the perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attack to justice and prevent activities aimed against India from Pakistani soil. A revised visa agreement is expected to be signed, which will introduce the concept of group tourist visa, visa on arrival and a separate category of business visas.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 May 2012 21:35

Pakistan Ka matlab Kee Aaa,Insaan Nahi Janwar Dhaa Bee Aaa

Pakistani Clerics: Women With Cell Phones Can Be Attacked with Acid, Secular NGO Workers Can Be Forcibly ‘Married’ to Local Men

Not content with terrorizing women with the threat of honor killings, it seems, a Pakistani cleric in the Baluchistan province has issued a fatwa declaring that any woman using a cell phone can justifiably be attacked with acid, while former Pakistani lawmaker and prominent cleric Maulana Abdul Haleem announced that secular women working with NGO’s can be captured and forcibly “married” to local men if they dare work on women’s education, health, or welfare projects in the district of Kohistan.Whether the women would be trapped there indefinitely in the conventional meaning of “marriage,“ or if it would be a ”temporary marriage” that sometimes enables affairs, prostitution, or worse, is unclear.Maulana Abdul Haleem is not just any cleric and former lawmaker.“A member of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) party, [he] is known to have nurtured a generation of Islamic clerics in Pakistan. In 2002 he was elected a Member of the National Assembly, the lower house of the parliament, from the platform of Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), an alliance of religious-political parties cobbled together at the behest of then-Pakistani military ruler General Pervez Musharraf.”The cleric’s other accomplishments, according to a Pakistani daily, include declaring poppy cultivation in Kohistan to be “in accordance with Islam.” The cleric’s other accomplishments, according to a Pakistani daily, include declaring poppy cultivation in Kohistan to be “in accordance with Islam.”

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 May 2012 21:48

Mullahs are very considerate. They do make rape formal and legal.

Meanwhile Nightwatch on Turkish burp.

23 May Nightwatch

Pakistan-Turkey: Turkish Prime Minister Endogen on Monday, 21 May, vowed to always stand by Pakistan in its hour of trial. Addressing the joint sitting of both the Houses of Parliament in Islamabad, he said the two countries would continue to strengthen their close ties in different fields.

Erdogan said the multiparty system in Pakistan is strength of the country and parliament can safeguard the interests of the people of Pakistan. "A strong democratic Pakistan has much to do with regional peace, prosperity and stability," he added.

The Turkish prime minister lauded the democratic process in Pakistan and expressed the confidence that parliamentarians would address the challenges facing Pakistan. He said democracy had now become a global culture. Turkey, a NATO ally with troops in Afghanistan, backed Pakistan' s demand for a US apology for the death of Pakistani civilians in a drone strike last November.

Comment: What many Readers might not know is that the Pakistan Army has maintained a longtime and strong connection to the Turkish Army. General Musharraf trained in Turkey and was a great admirer of Ataturk, despite the fact that the Pakistan Army is pro-Islamist and definitely not secularist.

Erdogan has been the architect of the program by which Turkey has moved away from the secular legacy of Ataturk, confined the Turkish Army to barracks, prosecuted top military leaders for sedition and moved Turkey in the direction of an Islamist state.

Pakistan's civilian political leaders do not yet have Erdogan's stature or power over the Army, but Erdogan's presence in Islamabad shows the direction President Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani hope to steer Pakistan.

It is ironic that Turkey is the model both for military activism as well as civilian control of the military. The difference is that the Turkish military promotes secular values, whereas the Pakistan Army promotes Islam.

Prime Minister Erdogan is an Islamist whose values would resonate well with the Pakistan Army. The Pakistani civilian leaders are secularists who have much more in common with the Turkish Army leaders and the Ataturk legacy than with Erdogan.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 23 May 2012 23:00

ramana wrote:Why dont the TTP attack the govt printing press and set it on fire!

Where is a fatwa wielding mullah when you need one? Hasn't some mullah realized that paper money is un-islamic as the prophet did not use paper money, but coins made of metal? Yes, the Paki govt printing presses should be set on fire!