Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Baikul
BRFite
Posts: 1462
Joined: 20 Sep 2010 06:47

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Baikul »

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-vladi ... t-12553278

From the story:
Sky News Moscow correspondent Diana Magnay described the decision as an "incredibly dramatic, escalatory move", which will "really, really worry people".

"This is the first time that we've ever had a situation, in Putin's reign at least, where he has put his nuclear forces ready essentially for combat duty, on high alert," she said.
Thakur_B
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2405
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Thakur_B »

^^ probably ties in with Russian claims of phosphorus based weapons being used by Ukraine.
ldev
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2616
Joined: 06 Nov 2002 12:31

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by ldev »

This conflict has moved fast. Since I last posted:

Russian banks which do not receive payments for Gazprom gas exports have been cut off from SWIFT.

Central Bank of Russia foreign exchange reserves in G7 countries have been effectively frozen.

Putin has ordered Russian "deterrence forces", which includes it's strategic and tactical nuclear weapons plus hypersonic weapons such as Zircon and the Kinzhal missiles on a special alert.

And finally a meeting location for negotiators from Ukraine and Russia has been agreed to in a phone call Zelensky has just had with Belarus President Lukashenko. The meeting will be held on the Pripyat River on the Ukraine-Belrus border.


In other news, Germany has made an immediate allocation of 100 billion Euros to it's armed forces. Also Chancellor Olaf Scholz has undertaken that from now on Germany will spend at least 2% of it's GDP on it's armed forces. Currently Germany spends 1.4% of it's GDP on defence. So you are looking at a more than 50% increase in Germany's defence budget.


The move against the Russian Central bank is equivalent to a financial neutron bomb. It will hit all 145 million Russians as the Central Bank's ability to modulate the rouble will be heavily impacted. It is expected that $400 billion of the total $640 billion of foreign exchange reserves that Russia has will be inaccessible. This sends a very bad signal to other Central Banks and I would expect a de-dollarization and de-Eurozation if other options open up in the years ahead.

All in all, a very serious escalation in the crisis.

Ramzan Kadyrov of Chechnya, a close ally of Putin has said that Russian tactics in Ukraine are not working fast enough, he called them "sluggish".
Last edited by ldev on 27 Feb 2022 19:44, edited 1 time in total.
John
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3447
Joined: 03 Feb 2001 12:31

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by John »

CNN: Ukrainian delegation agrees to meet with Russians at Belarus border, according to President Zelensky’s office
vijayk
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9020
Joined: 22 Jun 1999 11:31

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by vijayk »

Image
Pratyush
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12425
Joined: 05 Mar 2010 15:13

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Pratyush »

^^^

This should be over in the next few days.


If not, it's going to get very painful for Ukraine when the Russians are done with them.
vinod
BRFite
Posts: 980
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by vinod »

I guess west has got what they wanted. Isolation of Russia and complete sanctions against Russia.

How much of it will be repealed once this is over?
Baikul
BRFite
Posts: 1462
Joined: 20 Sep 2010 06:47

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Baikul »

Well @John since you’ve been sourcing so much content from Reddit here’s one for you that you may not like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDankMeme ... ame=iossmf

Looks like Ukrainian or Polish guards beating up Indian female students.

Someone in Ukraine or Poland needs some explaining to do.
syam
BRFite
Posts: 809
Joined: 31 Jan 2017 00:13

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by syam »

Baikul wrote:Well @John since you’ve been sourcing so much content from Reddit here’s one for you that you may not like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDankMeme ... ame=iossmf

Looks like Ukrainian or Polish guards beating up Indian female students.

Someone in Ukraine or Poland needs some explaining to do.
I have seen similar footage. They are beating Indians at border.

https://twitter.com/elitepredatorss/sta ... 5922625547

https://twitter.com/harshraj260/status/ ... 9555682307
Pratyush
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12425
Joined: 05 Mar 2010 15:13

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Pratyush »

vinod wrote:I guess west has got what they wanted. Isolation of Russia and complete sanctions against Russia.

How much of it will be repealed once this is over?
None of the new sanctions will be repealed. The western nations have not shown any imagination to address any of the Russian concerns since 2007 Munich security conference.

They are quite content in pushing Russia in PRC embrace.

As if it is a foregone conclusion.

It is possible that a Trump like personality could have attempted to reach accomodation with Russia and try to have it on western power's side when dealing with PRC.

But we know what happened to Trump.
AkshaySG
BRFite
Posts: 467
Joined: 30 Jul 2020 08:51

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by AkshaySG »

Just the news coming from Germany is worth a thread in itself..
Some really dramatic happenings over the past 48 hours showcasing a shift in foreign policy.

1. They have agreed to send arms and ammunition to. Ukraine after dithering for such a long time, Germany hasn't sent this much arms to a conflict zone since WW2 and it's absolutely not in line with their usual methods

2. They have gone back on their opposition to cut out Russia from SWIFT and have agreed to move forward with it.

3. After years and years on inaction they are committing to increasing their defense budget aboove 2% of GDP and an immediate injection of 100 Billion Euros to their forces. Absolutely massive amount of investment for a country that has long been reluctant to do so.

we're seeing a new Germany, One which perhaps is seeing the importance of being able to defend oneself without foreign support.

Russia and Putin may very well accomplish their territorial goals but they'll find a Europe which is better armed and more antagonistic towards them than it has been in a long long time
yensoy
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2494
Joined: 29 May 2002 11:31
Location: USA

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by yensoy »

Pratyush wrote:They are quite content in pushing Russia in PRC embrace.
Russia is very well aware of the threat to Siberia and Russian Far East from an irredentist China.
AkshaySG wrote:we're seeing a new Germany, One which perhaps is seeing the importance of being able to defend oneself without foreign support.

Russia and Putin may very well accomplish their territorial goals but they'll find a Europe which is better armed and more antagonistic towards them than it has been in a long long time
Very correct. Germany is like an overgrown kid without a set of ba!!s which it seems to have finally grown. Putin's victory will be pyrrhic. He has lost the plot.
Last edited by yensoy on 27 Feb 2022 21:08, edited 1 time in total.
Raja
BRFite
Posts: 342
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Raja »

AkshaySG wrote:Just the news coming from Germany is worth a thread in itself..
Some really dramatic happenings over the past 48 hours showcasing a shift in foreign policy.
What you are seeing in Germany, you will see it across the continent. Many EU countries were trending towards German policy with the local population routinely asking why do they need to spend money on military. This is going to dramatically change in the coming years. It is hard to guess the long term implications.
chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 32699
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by chetak »

AkshaySG wrote:Just the news coming from Germany is worth a thread in itself..
Some really dramatic happenings over the past 48 hours showcasing a shift in foreign policy.

1. They have agreed to send arms and ammunition to. Ukraine after dithering for such a long time, Germany hasn't sent this much arms to a conflict zone since WW2 and it's absolutely not in line with their usual methods

2. They have gone back on their opposition to cut out Russia from SWIFT and have agreed to move forward with it.

3. After years and years on inaction they are committing to increasing their defense budget aboove 2% of GDP and an immediate injection of 100 Billion Euros to their forces. Absolutely massive amount of investment for a country that has long been reluctant to do so.

we're seeing a new Germany, One which perhaps is seeing the importance of being able to defend oneself without foreign support.

Russia and Putin may very well accomplish their territorial goals but they'll find a Europe which is better armed and more antagonistic towards them than it has been in a long long time
katora khan must be kicking himself

why did he waste time with putin when he could have begged in germany


100 Billion Euros to their forces !!! katora khan didn't think that the huns had that kind of loose change lying around

bajwa paaji is getting the tired old jet polished up once again and the pilot is prepping to file the flight plan for germany that is next to japan.

BTW, what are the scary implications of germany once again rearming herself onlee....

stifling them of industrial gas will not be seen in a kindly light

versailles anyone
Atmavik
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2004
Joined: 24 Aug 2016 04:43

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Atmavik »

AkshaySG wrote:
BTW, what are the scary implications of germany once again rearming herself onlee....

versailles anyone
It was key Anglo-French objective to keep the Germans weak.

In 4 days Russia has encircled 3 major cities of Ukraine and forced them to negotiate. Shows the power of mechanization. This is blitzkreig on steroids.

This treaty will pave the way for dissolving Ukraine itself. Putin will demand independence for Donbas and extend crimea to Kherson. This will allow him to control the Dinniper river.

Btw, what ever happened to the Turkish drones that Ukraine acquired ? Totally useless
Last edited by Atmavik on 27 Feb 2022 21:17, edited 1 time in total.
chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 32699
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by chetak »

India may set up rupee trade accounts with Russia to soften sanctions blow

Feb 26, 2022,

Synopsis
Russia invaded Ukraine by land, air and sea on Thursday in the biggest attack on a European state since World War Two, prompting tens of thousands of people to flee their homes.

India is exploring ways to set up a rupee payment mechanism for trade with Russia to soften the blow on New Delhi of Western sanctions imposed on Russia after its invasion of Ukraine, government and banking sources said.

Indian officials are concerned that vital supplies of fertilizer from Russia could be disrupted as sanctions intensify, threatening India's vast farm sector.
chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 32699
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by chetak »

Atmavik wrote:
AkshaySG wrote:
BTW, what are the scary implications of germany once again rearming herself onlee....

versailles anyone
It was key Anglo-French objective to keep the Germans weak.

In 4 days Russia has encircled 3 major cities of Ukraine and forced them to negotiate. Shows the power of mechanization. This is blitzkreig on steroids.

This treaty will pave the way for dissolving Ukraine itself. Putin will demand independence for Donbas and extend crimea to Kherson. This will allow him to control the Dinniper river.

Btw, what ever happened to the Turkish drones that Ukraine acquired ? Totally useless

Turkish drones kaput onlee

Russia Cripples Ukraine; Shoots-Down Its Most Sophisticated Bayraktar TB2 Drones — Reports


https://eurasiantimes.com/zelensky-begs ... s-ukraine/
Cyrano
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5540
Joined: 28 Mar 2020 01:07

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Cyrano »

Time for Modi ji to step in, call Putin and Biden, Macron and get this situation to cool down. Invite all to Delhi or Goa for a summit.

West must be told that by demonising repeatedly they have created a demon. And Putin must be told that in the end demons will be slayed. Yadha yadha hi dharmasya ....
ldev
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2616
Joined: 06 Nov 2002 12:31

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by ldev »

I don't think people have understood just how serious the impact is of the sanctions on the Russian Central Bank:

As of now, ATMs in Russia have already run out of foreign currency.

The US $ to Rouble rate which was 83 on Friday is being quoted at upto 115 roubles for Monday when the markets re-open and it could go into a free fall.

Without access to it's foreign exchange reserves the Central Bank of Russia will be unable to intervene in the foreign exchange markets to buy roubles and sell foreign currency to support a falling rouble. So the rouble could plummet in value and cause very high inflation.

If this situation continues for some time, it will impact every section of the Russian economy including arms manufacturing. India may set up a rupee-rouble exchange system to pay for Russian arms imports but the Russians may not be able to produce the product and hence either no delivery or delayed for years. It will impact every arms purchase from Russia.
vijaykarthik
BRFite
Posts: 1169
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by vijaykarthik »

2-3 things which will be hastened:

a. EU will stop trusting Russia. Germany under Herr Merkel was having a very look the other side view of Russia and she spoke excellent Russian too. I still wonder if this will have happened if she were in power and Trump was US Prez. Anyways, its happened and now there is going to be a huge trust deficit.
b. EU doesn't trust NATO (or US particularly) much either. So, it will need a tacit EU leader to take Merkel place plus EU military of some sort or each country builds more mil muscle.
c. Russia cut out of SWIFT could push de-$-ization. Will be interesting to see how that pans out. Or US will chicken out and move quickly to remove SWIFT sanction. RU is a power user of SWIFT (6th largest in SWIFT txns, IIRC).
vijaykarthik
BRFite
Posts: 1169
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by vijaykarthik »

chetak wrote: Turkish drones kaput onlee

Russia Cripples Ukraine; Shoots-Down Its Most Sophisticated Bayraktar TB2 Drones — Reports


https://eurasiantimes.com/zelensky-begs ... s-ukraine/
Nice. I would love to see Turkey getting some serious backlash while Russia is invading. Will be another bird killed with one stone.
Baikul
BRFite
Posts: 1462
Joined: 20 Sep 2010 06:47

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Baikul »

AkshaySG wrote:Just the news coming from Germany is worth a thread in itself..
Some really dramatic happenings over the past 48 hours showcasing a shift in foreign policy.
….
It’s not just Germany. Doing the hubris -y thing of quoting myself (briefly!) I’d said on the last page that:
1. Germany is sending military supplies to Ukraine, which is a complete reversal of its ages …. a 180 degree change on a core principle.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... s-supplies/

2. England’s Foreign Secretary has stated she will support Britons who want to fight Russia in Ukraine. For England, if this is what the establishment is thinking, it’s a tectonic shift. …..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... ght-russia

3. Japan, usually more self effacing, has actively condemned Russia, in a clear reversal of its policy in 2014 in the war in Georgia.

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022 ... shida.html

…..
There are very significant strategic shifts, the consequences of which will be analysed for years if not decades to come.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18654
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Rakesh »

AkshaySG wrote:Just the news coming from Germany is worth a thread in itself..
Some really dramatic happenings over the past 48 hours showcasing a shift in foreign policy.
.....
3. After years and years on inaction they are committing to increasing their defense budget above 2% of GDP and an immediate injection of 100 Billion Euros to their forces. Absolutely massive amount of investment for a country that has long been reluctant to do so.

we're seeing a new Germany, One which perhaps is seeing the importance of being able to defend oneself without foreign support.

Russia and Putin may very well accomplish their territorial goals but they'll find a Europe which is better armed and more antagonistic towards them than it has been in a long long time
Akshay, great summary. Thank you.

I love the third point, especially the highlighted part in red. It would indeed be a game changer if Europe (Germany will lead the way) is able to defend herself without foreign support. Great lesson for India to learn as well. PM Modi made this announcement a couple of days back. See article below.

If not for anything else, Putin has taught Western Europe that the US is no longer reliable. In the world of geopolitics there are no permanent friends or enemies, just interests. Putin is teaching Western Europe very valuable lessons here. Whether Putin prevails or not, still remains to be seen. But a great move by Germany. Kudos to them.

Indigenous weapons must to surprise adversaries: PM Modi
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 83033.html
25 Feb 2022
kit
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6278
Joined: 13 Jul 2006 18:16

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by kit »

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/s ... der-161383

Students at the Ukraine-Poland border have sent out videos alleging that Ukrainian soldiers and police are forcing them back into Ukraine from the border of Poland by firing in the air and attempting to drive their cars into the crowd. They have also alleged that they have been beaten and kicked.
Angel, a Malayali student, can be heard saying on a video that she and her friend were pushed and beaten. Adding that the police tried to ram their vehicles into the group of students, Angel said that they Ukrainian soldiers did not care that students fell. “This is too bad, this is not the way that the Ukraine government or military should treat foreign citizens. This is not how we expect help," she said.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18654
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Rakesh »

And Ukraine wants India to vote against Russia in the UN. Nice going!
anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9203
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by anupmisra »

vinod wrote:I guess west has got what they wanted. Isolation of Russia and complete sanctions against Russia.
I would humbly disagree with you on this perspective. Isolation is never a permanent event. Sanctions are only temporary until the world figures out that they need Russian products.

I think Russia has made its point, loudly enough and with cost, for the west (read NATO) to sit up and re-evaluate its strategy. With the fall of the Warsaw Pact and the breakup of the USSR, there was an implicit agreement with the west that a 16-nation strong NATO would not expand eastwards. NATO now has 30 members, most of them ex-Warsaw Pact nations and many of them the erstwhile USSR republics. With the induction of Yukraine, NOTO would have been on the doorsteps of "mother Russia".

Putin, while a murderous dictator, did what any nationalist lifetime elected leader would do. This was a war in making for the past one year. Most people forget or have not learned from history that a similar situation was imposed on Germany after the Versailles treaty. The rest, as they say, was history.
anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9203
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by anupmisra »

Rakesh wrote:And Ukraine wants India to vote against Russia in the UN. Nice going!
I believe, and it's just my opinion (so please don't shoot me), India is now in an enviable position to play the peacemaker and kingmaker rolled into one. All three aggrieved parties - Russia, Yukraine, and Nato would do themselves a lot of favor by paying attention.

By abstaining at the UNSC, India has sent a clear message to both sides that its position is neutral. With phone calls from (from, not with) Putin and Zelenskyy within 24 hours of each other, that importance was underscored.

By the way, China abstained as well but nobody trusts President Eleven. He has Formosa-samosa on his mind.
chanakyaa
BRFite
Posts: 1728
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 00:09
Location: Hiding in Karakoram

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by chanakyaa »

It would be nice to see Russia, Ukraine, and NATO given a conference room in New Delhi to hash things out, with India as a truly independent, trustworthy, and civilizational country. May be a session with baba Ramdev for some yoga breathing exercise to cool things down.

Turkiye in the meantime, playing both side..
Turkey to implement Montreux Convention due to Ukraine War
Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said Ankara was implementing an international pact on naval passage to the Black Sea.

"Turkey will implement all provisions of Montreux Convention in a transparent manner," the minister told a live interview with broadcaster CNN Türk.

Under the 1936 Montreux Convention, NATO member Turkey has control over the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits, linking the Mediterranean and Black seas. The pact gives Ankara the power to regulate the transit of naval warships and to close the straits to foreign warships during wartime and when it is threatened.

Turkey earlier called Russia's invasion of Ukraine a "war" on Sunday in a rhetorical shift that opened the way for the move.
Pratyush
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12425
Joined: 05 Mar 2010 15:13

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Pratyush »

Most people don't really understand that the Munich treaty was designed to bring Germany back into the European order after the humiliation of Versailles treaty.

So whatever happens with Russian isolation. It will not be a long term event.

Russia had to show that it's capable of accomplishing it goals on the battlefield. That will make subsequent peace more lasting.
Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 18654
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Rakesh »

anupmisra wrote:I believe, and it's just my opinion (so please don't shoot me), India is now in an enviable position to play the peacemaker and kingmaker rolled into one. All three aggrieved parties - Russia, Yukraine, and Nato would do themselves a lot of favor by paying attention.

By abstaining at the UNSC, India has sent a clear message to both sides that its position is neutral. With phone calls from (from, not with) Putin and Zelenskyy within 24 hours of each other, that importance was underscored.

By the way, China abstained as well but nobody trusts President Eleven. He has Formosa-samosa on his mind.
On Feb 25, all the EU Ambassadors to India, met in New Delhi. See tweet and pictures below. I am a little wary of going down the path of playing the peacemaker and kingmaker, as it might open the door for similar international intervention in Kashmir. Perhaps I am wrong in my assessment. The only person I recognize in the picture below is Germany's Ambassador to India at extreme right, sitting with his face away from the camera.

The author of this tweet is the Ambassador of the Republic of Bulgaria to India, Eleonora Dimitrova. So not a fake tweet :)

https://twitter.com/EleonoraDimitr8/sta ... a1B92FVaaw ---> Heads of Mission of the EU in Delhi stand in solidarity with Ukraine Ambassador. EU condemns in the strongest possible terms the Russian Federation’s unprovoked & unjustified military attack. EU is united in its solidarity with Ukraine & its people. #StandWithUkraine

Image

Image
Tanaji
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4577
Joined: 21 Jun 2000 11:31

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Tanaji »

This was also us a portend on how the information war will play out in the future. Note the complete lack of perspective and fair play by even so called main stream media. In fact I believe somewhere in BBCs procedure it is written that the opposing view point must be given; this has been ignored.

As far as social media goes, Twitter is in overdrive banning Russian accounts and so is YouTube. Expect the same thing to happen if india were to be in conflict under the present administration.

All sports organisations have dropped Russian teams participating. Same will happen to us.

It doesnt need to be said how the lifafa journalists off rndtv et all will be weaponised. If the government acts against them hizzoners will step in immediately.

All in all it’s tough battle ahead
chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 32699
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by chetak »

Image
Thakur_B
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2405
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Thakur_B »

Apparently Belarusian railways command and control centre has been knocked down in cyber attacks. This may hamper Russian armour movement till Ukraine border from the northern flank.
chetak
BRF Oldie
Posts: 32699
Joined: 16 May 2008 12:00

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by chetak »

anupmisra wrote:
Rakesh wrote:And Ukraine wants India to vote against Russia in the UN. Nice going!
I believe, and it's just my opinion (so please don't shoot me), India is now in an enviable position to play the peacemaker and kingmaker rolled into one. All three aggrieved parties - Russia, Yukraine, and Nato would do themselves a lot of favor by paying attention.

By abstaining at the UNSC, India has sent a clear message to both sides that its position is neutral. With phone calls from (from, not with) Putin and Zelenskyy within 24 hours of each other, that importance was underscored.

By the way, China abstained as well but nobody trusts President Eleven. He has Formosa-samosa on his mind.
why do these guys so desperately want India dragged into the ukraine controversy and to take an explicit anti russia/putin stand

despite what we may think, we remain bit players on the international, as well as, the geopolitical stage.

no country's foreign policy is made with India meriting even the slightest consideration in their formulations, even the SLs and beedis don't give us that courtesy

every noteworthy power has either armed, cash aided or otherwise supported the pakis against us.

no one spoke for us when the cheenis turned up in ladakh and doklam

not a peep on cashmere and support to India by any of these worthies

and yet they all behave as if putin would simply back off and go home if India took a stand against russia

the most hypocritical of all is that two bit ukrainain punk volodymyr zelenskyy who needlessly overreached and then got slapped down by putin while his so called nato/us friends watched from the sidelines

the silence of the loser aussies is the most deafening of all, these same guys are slyly trying their best to leverage their way into the Indian market using the quad

chakkar kya hai bhai
Last edited by chetak on 27 Feb 2022 22:53, edited 1 time in total.
ldev
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2616
Joined: 06 Nov 2002 12:31

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by ldev »

Angela Merkel who acted as a moderating influence in German-Russian relations with Putin is no longer Chancellor. Her background of growing up in former East Germany and her fluent command of Russian enabled her to develop a rapport with Putin who also spent time in East Germany with the KGB and speaks fluent German. The current Chancellor Olaf Scholz and the current Foreign Minister of Germany Annalena Baerbock were both born and raised in former West Germany with no affinity to Russia or Putin, and hence this has enabled them to make a clean break with Russia and take the current hardline stance.
Raja
BRFite
Posts: 342
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Raja »

chetak wrote: no one spoke for us when the cheenis turned up in ladakh and doklam
That is not true. Not that it meant a whole lot, but your statement is categorically false.
Suresh S
BRFite
Posts: 858
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 22:19

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Suresh S »

if in that picture if the Russian ambassador was alone and standing separately my country should support Russia. Russia is our friend and not these worthies who are allowed to stand together in the Indian capital against them. India under no circumstances should India take a stand against Russia. The west and EU is our enemy and if we do not recognize that we will find out the hard way just like those innocent medical students on the polish- Ukrainian border.
eklavya
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2164
Joined: 16 Nov 2004 23:57

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by eklavya »

I expect most Russians are also against President Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. President Putin could very well be deposed by the people around him.

Sergey Utkin of the Primakov Institute of World Economy and International Relations, Russian Academy of Sciences, is a brave man:

https://twitter.com/usv1980
My country is committing a horrible crime in Ukraine that can have no justification. Official references to Art.51/defence of the Donbass are ridiculous, whataboutism is not helpful. We all bear a part of responsibility. There is no good way out of that.
Some in Russia say "we cannot wish defeat to our troops". But what would be a defeat for our country? Decades of international isolation in an attempt to keep repressive control over Ukraine, Belarus etc.? Or a fast acknowledgement that this war is craziness that has to stop?
सत्यमेव जयते
Suresh S
BRFite
Posts: 858
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 22:19

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Suresh S »

overwhelming majority of Russians support president Putin. What you are saying is patently false and fake news. Russians deposing the president is beyond wishful thinking.
eklavya
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2164
Joined: 16 Nov 2004 23:57

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by eklavya »

This war is not popular in Russia. President Putin’s popularity will suffer very badly. Chances of him losing power went up very significantly.
Post Reply