J & K news and discussion

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Feb 2010 12:11

Both Abdullahs are probably pro-India, but they can't forecfull say so lest ISI gets the job done.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 26 Feb 2010 12:12

Hari Seldon wrote:
Carl_T wrote:Married to the daughter of an IA major. That's interesting!
Interesting indeed. What's more, its a 2-way street as well. IIRC, Omar Abdulla's sister is married to a yindoo political scion.

Apparently none of the Abdullahs showed up to the wedding though.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 26 Feb 2010 12:17

Hari Seldon wrote:
Carl_T wrote:Married to the daughter of an IA major. That's interesting!
Interesting indeed. What's more, its a 2-way street as well. IIRC, Omar Abdulla's sister is married to a yindoo political scion.

And Sachin's father, Rajesh Pilot joined the Indian Air Force and in a short span of time achieved the post of a Squadron Leader before joining politics.

As I always say, the Armed Forces are the forefront of genuine secularism!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Feb 2010 12:22

Prem wrote:Both Abdulas are married outside of their Birathari and the wives have kept their respective religion. IMHO it explains their mindset as they are not fond of Pakislamic activities.

Don't be so easily convinced, saar.

The abdulas' march to the tune of a different drummer. The father and son may even be holding a british passport on the QT.

This family has had a very strong ancestral fetish and wet dream of establishing on their very own a private islamic caliphate loosely based on the lines of Andorra in EU land.

They are hoping that all services of said caliphate will be paid for and guaranteed mostly by India and omar and family will just sit back and rake it in, in fact pretty much like they are doing right now.

Presently the father and son have their parasitic teeth firmly sunk into Indian teats and are living off the fat of the land.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 26 Feb 2010 12:33

The way it can be viewed is that Farooq was more integrated than Sheikh Abdullah, and Omar seems to be better integrated than Farooq. So it's a slow civilizational process. Ongoing but still incomplete as of now.

People's react based on their beliefs and also their self-interest. Once idea of India and Indic civilization is strong it will have its own gravitational attraction.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 26 Feb 2010 12:42

I am not too aware of Farooq Obdulla having any parasitic teeth gripping India.

All I know is that he is an interesting person and I don't doubt his statements. Quixotic at times, but sincere is what I would say.

I would say Farooq is not politically savvy. His son is!

When I accompanied him to Chamkot (Tangdar Sector), he addressed the people. Many complained that the Army had de-rostered some porters and that it was 'beinsaafi'. He spoke to us and we explained the reasons. He turned back to the people and said - 'Kam chor aur haram khoron ko kaun rozgari dega?' Frank statement which no politician will ever dare to give, especially when he was up for election.

So let us not misjudge a person without knowing him!

It was snowing and he was most displeased that he was offered an orange juice when he was in the Brigade Mess, being a Muslim.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 26 Feb 2010 17:55

Ray sir,
Offering orange juice was offensive ?

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 26 Feb 2010 18:48

jamwal wrote:Ray sir,
Offering orange juice was offensive ?

It was offensive b'cos no Vodka was added to the Orange juice.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 26 Feb 2010 19:50

milindc wrote:
jamwal wrote:Ray sir,
Offering orange juice was offensive ?
It was offensive b'cos no Vodka was added to the Orange juice.

No comments!

Once we were stranded on NH1A and he was returning to Srinagar from Jammu and he saw my CO and me standing next to the Jonga and helping the driver to revive our Jonga.

He stopped. Offered a lift and told the escort vehicle of the CM to repair the vehicle and bring it to the Transit Camp!

I cannot comment on his politics, but having observed him at close quarters, I will say his heart is in the right place as a human! And he does not hedge and speaks his mind.

I like honest chaps and not the sneaky clever tykes!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Feb 2010 22:43

Wish Vajpayee had listend to his advise at Kargil time.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 26 Feb 2010 23:25

jamwal wrote:Ray sir,
Offering orange juice was offensive ?

What is wrong with orange juice and what does it have to do with him being a Muslim?

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 26 Feb 2010 23:36

Carl_T wrote:
jamwal wrote:Ray sir,
Offering orange juice was offensive ?
What is wrong with orange juice and what does it have to do with him being a Muslim?

You need to attend the bada peg BR party. What part of Ray sir's quote don't you get

RayC wrote:It was snowing and he was most displeased that he was offered an orange juice

You folks better be nanha mujahids

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 27 Feb 2010 00:18

milindc wrote: You need to attend the bada peg BR party. What part of Ray sir's quote don't you get

RayC wrote: It was snowing and he was most displeased that he was offered an orange juice when he was in the Brigade Mess, being a Muslim.

I don't understand what is offensive.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 27 Feb 2010 00:45

He was not offered liquor, that's what offended him.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 27 Feb 2010 01:41

Carl_T wrote:What is wrong with orange juice and what does it have to do with him being a Muslim?

Muslims aren't supposed to drink liquor, so he was offered orange juice. He was a bit offended at that

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 27 Feb 2010 11:37

Chitral protest against power cuts

To record their protest against Water and Power development Authority (Wapda) and Peshawar Electricity Supply company (Pesco) shopkeepers observed complete shutter down strike on the call of trade union Chitral. They said that Chitral had a potential of 4500 megawatt due to plentiful water resources but no government thought of sincerely utilizing this natural resource.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 27 Feb 2010 12:10

All I will say of Dr Farooq is that he is a pragmatic person and has no baggages to carry or flaunt.

Though privileged, he acts as the am aadmi more than those who swear that they are the originals!

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 27 Feb 2010 12:26

^
Do you know Omar as well?

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 27 Feb 2010 12:35

Carl_T wrote:^
Do you know Omar as well?

NO.

He is not in my league!

I am in the league of the Aravalli Hills and those who are kind to me say, I am from the Mohenjodaro - Harappa days!

negi · Post by **negi** » 01 Mar 2010 10:25

Can happen only in India and that too 'khullam-khulla' (in open)

How can TSP Govt. be allowed to talk to separatists ? What choo&*)a.

Now whats the point in this

if J&K is part of talks between India and TSP or not when TSP gets to engage separatists and closet pakis directly ?

Who fired on Qureshi, Hurriyat asked Pak Foreign Secretary

The meetings provided a glimpse of the U-turn Islamabad has made in its Kashmir policy, with Mr. Bashir assuring Mr. Geelani that the ‘out-of-the-box’ ideas on a future settlement pursued by General Pervez Musharraf through back-channel talks with India had all been jettisoned in favour of Pakistan’s traditional stand.

Mr. Bashir invited the separatist leaders to travel to Islamabad for consultations with the Foreign Office in Islamabad in the next few weeks. Pakistan is understood to be keen to hold this interaction in the context of the ‘strategic review’ of foreign policy being conducted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in March.

Pakistan’s insistence on inviting ‘civil society’ separatists like the Jammu Kashmir Bar Association and Asiya Andrabi of Dukhtaran-e-Millat and marginal separatist politicians like Shabbir Shah to its Foreign Office consultation has also become a source of friction with the Hurriyat.

Though the Mirwaiz is believed to have agreed to visit Islamabad, he is under pressure from others within the group not to attend.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 02 Mar 2010 03:00

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 14202.aspx

The controversial 3 Idiots' poster, featuring Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, his father Farooq Abdullah and grandfather Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah and the discussion posted on the social networking site Facebook created a controversy in the state last week.

The image is
http://islamindia.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ullahs.jpg
youtube link

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Mar 2010 04:45

How can TSP Govt. be allowed to talk to separatists ?

It does demonstrate that these "separatists" are the paid agents of a foreign power.
Pious bleating about "azadi" and "human rights" is seen for what it really is.
Geelani in his "We are Pakistan and Pakistan is us" rant demolished years of propaganda.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Mar 2010 09:35

Gerard wrote:
How can TSP Govt. be allowed to talk to separatists ?
It does demonstrate that these "separatists" are the paid agents of a foreign power.
Pious bleating about "azadi" and "human rights" is seen for what it really is.
Geelani in his "We are Pakistan and Pakistan is us" rant demolished years of propaganda.

Agreed. Exposes the turds for what they are.

Also helps discredit if not silence the ARoy and AChatterjee types puking verborrhea on J&K.

Also, our babus aren't that dumb. Every nudge, wink and fart by these worthies in the presence of TSP officialdom is being noted, I reckon, for later use.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 02 Mar 2010 10:45

I remember Farooq Abdullah calling for war on Pakis some years back.... probably the only kashmiri leader. the abdullahs have lot of residual goodwill in the rural areas.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 02 Mar 2010 12:16

manjgu wrote:I remember Farooq Abdullah calling for war on Pakis some years back.... probably the only kashmiri leader. the abdullahs have lot of residual goodwill in the rural areas.

He was also howling about how it wasn't worth for J&K to continue in the Indian federation at the height of the Amarnath protests. He is not to be trusted a bit.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 02 Mar 2010 18:34

True that. Farooq and Omar have been mostly pro-India unlike Muftis who have been decidedly anti-India. But it's only because center has turned a blind eye towards the corruption. Abdullahs have property worth crores in India as well as abroad. If Bakisatan can provide as much money, I will not be surprised if their pro-Indian stance is changed.
Farooq is minister of Renewable energy department in New Delhi after handing over the reigns of J&K NC to Omar. A win-win situation for them.
Many NC workers have been arrested or killed in anti-terrorism operations even though the official policy is to denounce terrorism. PDP tries to play the exact opposite of NC in J&K politics

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 03 Mar 2010 19:46

link

ISLAMABAD: Two children were wounded in “unprovoked firing” by Indian forces across the de facto border dividing the disputed Kashmir region, Pakistani officials said on Tuesday.

An Indian army spokesman said soldiers had retaliated after Pakistani troops opened fire.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 04 Mar 2010 16:14

Army captain killed in J&K encounter

Srinagar, March 4, 2010

An army captain was killed in an encounter with militants in Tral area of Pulwama district in Jammu and Kashmir on Thursday. The gunbattle that began on Wednesday morning finally ended after 30 hours.

Captain Deepak Sharma of 42 Rashtriya Rifles was killed in the encounter. He hailed from Rohtak and was to get married next month. Two army jawans and a policeman were injured in the operation.

The security forces launched a combing operation in Mir Mohalla Dadasir area to trace the militants who had holed up in a house. Three to four militants were believed to be holed up in the area.

The encounter was suspended on Wednesday night due to darkness and inclement weather but it resumed on Thursday morning as militants fired a volley of bullets on a search party. It prompted the security forces to retaliate.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Mar 2010 14:42

2009 Terrorism related statistics.

Infiltration attempts up, terrorism incidents down during 2009 relative to 2008:

245 terrorists killed in Kashmir in 2009

March 7th, 2010 - 3:50 pm ICT by IANS ……………..

“Attempts at infiltration from across the LoC (saw) a marginal increase during 2009,” Minister of State for Home Affairs Ajay Maken said, referring to the Line of Control dividing Indian and Pakistani Kashmir.

He said 342 incursion attempts were recorded in 2008 and 485 in 2009, the minister told the Rajya Sabha in a written reply.

Maken said that terrorist activities showed a “declining trend - from 708 in 2008 to 499 in 2009″ in Jammu and Kashmir.

“As per the statistics provided by the ministry of defence, the terrorists killed in Jammu and Kashmir are 245 in 2009, and 27 up to Feb 21, 2010,” he said. ……………

The Indian

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 09 Mar 2010 15:40

Advani was right to question ManMohan , rejecting Vajpayee line

Some highlights

Advani also cited an article published in Newsweek last year that suggested that “secret back-channel are on once again between India and Pakistan, and that the road to Kabul runs through Kashmir;” he demanded an explanation from Dr Manmohan Singh. The upshot of his argument was that “nothing should be done to undermine our national interests.” This was coupled with a strong warning: “The Congress-led UPA Government will have to face ‘dire consequences if any secret agreement is in the offing’ on the status of Jammu & Kashmir”.

A section of the media described the Prime Minister’s interventions as manifestations of his combative mood, which was not the case. His interventions were signs of nervousness. The extent of his nervousness and frustration could be gauged from his statement that “I have had a number of discussions with President Obama. He has said unambiguously that there has been no change in the American stance on the status of Jammu & Kashmir”.

Was he representing the Government of India which he heads, or acting as the Americans’ spokesperson? It would be no exaggeration to say he acted as the US spokesperson and defended American foreign policy which suits both Pakistan and the US. Dr Singh crossed the line by not giving a direct reply to Advani’s suggestion that clandestine moves are afoot to work out an agreement on J&K without taking Parliament on board and keeping the nation in the loop.

wig · Post by **wig** » 09 Mar 2010 18:09

a PDP member of the J&k Legislature introduces a private member's bill to deny rights to women who have been married to non state subjects. curiously the minister does not object to the intorduction of such a retrograde law.
the article below contains the details.

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/

Govt allows PDP to introduce PRC bill in Council

By Avtar Bhat

JAMMU, Mar 8: The Government today allowed an opposition Member of the Upper House belonging to PDP to introduce a sensitive private member’s bill pertaining to disqualification of permanent residentship of the State in case a female resident from J&K married a non permanent resident and termination of marriage of a non resident female with a permanent resident male.

The Bill was deemed to be introduced in the House after the Government raised no objection at its introduction stage. The Minister of Revenue, Relief and Rehabilitation, Raman Bhalla said that the Government has no objection in its introduction.

An almost similar kind of Bill during Mufti’s regime had created a nation-wide uproar and was stalled in the Upper House without voting. The member in his written remarks argued that Act which is to be called the Jammu and Kashmir Permanent Residents (Disqualification) Act 2010, shall be deemed to have come into force with effect from October 7, 2002, the day State High Court passed a judgment in J&K State versus Dr Susheela Sawhney case.

In his introductory note to the Bill, Mr Khan said that notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained in any law, notification or judgment, decree or order of any court, a female permanent resident on her marriage with a person who is not a permanent resident of the State or a non permanent female resident marries with a permanent resident and on the termination of her marriage on account of death of her husband, divorce or otherwise, shall with effect from the date of such marriage or termination of such marriage as the case may be, cease to be a permanent resident.

However, the widow shall not cease to be a permanent resident as long as she permanently resides in the State.

While giving interpretation of the Act the member further said for the purpose of the Act, the expression ‘Permanent Resident’ means a person who is deemed to be permanent resident under Section 6 of the Constitution of J&K.

He said Section 6 of the J&K Constitution defines the expression permanent resident and accordingly the persons belonging to class 1 and class 2 of State subjects or persons having lawfully acquired property in the

State are deemed to be permanent residents. However, the Expression Class of 1 and 2 of State Subjects have the same meaning as assigned to it in the State notification of 1927 and 1932 on the subject.

The female permanent resident acquires the status of her husband and ceases to be a permanent resident on her marriage to a person who does not belong to any class of the permanent residents. Likewise, a non permanent female on marriage with a permanent resident acquires the status of a permanent resident by virtue of such marriage. However there is no provision with regard to status of a such female after she ceases to be the wife of a permanent resident husband.

He quoted the High Court J&K judgment in a case titled as "State of J&K versus Dr Susheela Sawhney" which has held that there is no provision in the existing law dealing with the status of a female permanent resident who marries a non permanent resident and that the State Legislature has powers under Section 8 of J&K Constitution to make such a law.

Mr Khan in his arguments said it is therefore necessary to enact the law on the subject. The J&K Permanent Residents Disqualification Bill 2010 seeks to attain this objective, he added.

He said this Bill provides that a female permanent resident after her marriage or a non permanent resident female on termination of her marriage, shall lose the status of a permanent resident. This law should be effective from October 7, 2002, the date of appointment of judgment. However the proposed law will not alter the legal position of female descendants of permanent residents in the matter of inheritance which will stay intact in accordance with the personnel law applicable to them.

The Minister of Law, Parliamentary Affairs and Rural Development Ali Mohammed Sagar however said the Government did not want to oppose the Bill at the introductory level.

Besides another Bill jointly tabled by Syed Asgar Ali and Ajay Sadhotra regarding amendment in the Transfer of Property Act 1977 were also introduced in the House.

But NC Member Ajay Sadhotra withdrew his bill pertaining to effective protection of women from domestic violence and for matters connected their with or incidents on the assurance of Minister of Social Welfare Sakina Ittoo who said Government will itself introduce a Bill in the Lower House.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 13 Mar 2010 07:29

X-posting from TSP thread

ramana wrote: SonyTv had ANI news segment last night.
The show was about people in POK complaining of adultrated food stuffs and who they are being cheated by TSP. And some mumblings about SWAT.

Due attention needs to be given to PoK's grievances.

skher · Post by **skher** » 13 Mar 2010 16:05

rkirankr wrote:To me it is shocking that such talk of even sharing J&K is being made. Ok if we were a weak country with respect to our neighbour, then there is no alternative but to swallow the bitter pill. However the $hit country on our western border is no match for us , nukes or no nukes. Hence I do not understand the reason for this surrender. Also our forces have fought and defeated the insurgency.
I am tempted to search for chanakyan ways in their actions, but I know Iam just day dreaming. It is an insult to Chanakya.

What is that which is driving people to surrender to the barbarians?

Slightly OT....pray tell what is happening on the Indo-Bangla border? Loads of sharing is done, even during Khaleda Zia's reign.

Anything to keep Pakis distracted from the "K-word" and force them back to fight their 'brethren' is good.24 hour electricity,running water and good sanitation have not yet been 'surrendered' to Indian citizens in 60 years, so I can say safely the above mentioned surrender is very unlikely.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 13 Mar 2010 16:45

JAMMU, Mar 8: The Government today allowed an opposition Member of the Upper House belonging to PDP to introduce a sensitive private member’s bill pertaining to disqualification of permanent residentship of the State in case a female resident from J&K married a non permanent resident and termination of marriage of a non resident female with a permanent resident male.

The Bill was deemed to be introduced in the House after the Government raised no objection at its introduction stage. The Minister of Revenue, Relief and Rehabilitation, Raman Bhalla said that the Government has no objection in its introduction.

This is a ridiculous bill and will be fodder for the seperatist kind to forward their propoganda. Whats's the sense behind it anyway, what does it want to accomplish.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 14 Mar 2010 06:24

Nihat wrote:bill pertaining to disqualification of permanent residentship of the State in case a female resident from J&K married a non permanent resident.....

This is a ridiculous bill and will be fodder for the seperatist kind to forward their propoganda. Whats's the sense behind it anyway, what does it want to accomplish.

Targeted against people in Jammu province, because they extensively inter-marry with people in neighbouring Punjab and Himachal.

Jammu Bar Association protest anti-women anti-Jammu bill

wig · Post by **wig** » 14 Mar 2010 08:23

Airavat wrote:
Nihat wrote: Targeted against people in Jammu province, because they extensively inter-marry with people in neighbouring Punjab and Himachal.

Jammu Bar Association protest anti-women anti-Jammu bill

inter marriages are not limited to women from the Jammu part of J&K. post migration( ethnic cleansing) of the kashmiri pandits in 1990 -91 even they have intermarried with non state subjects.
there are also some numbers of kashmiri muslims married to non state subjects indian muslims. eg. i recall reading somewhere that MM Sayeed's ( former HM and CM, J&K) daughter is married to the son of a former Union Minister named (C K Jaffer Sharief) and stays in Madras/ (Chennai)

but the issue is why are there repeated attempts to introduce such bills in the Legislative council/ assembly.
then again there is a process of vetting and the government of the day - particularly the minister dealing with the matter who is supposed to acquiesce in the introduction of any bills.
in this case it appears that one Raman Bhalla from the Congress was the concerned minister and for reasons that can only be speculated on, permitted the tabling of such a bill.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 14 Mar 2010 09:03

wig wrote:inter marriages are not limited to women from the Jammu part of J&K. post migration( ethnic cleansing) of the kashmiri pandits in 1990 -91 even they have intermarried with non state subjects.

Kashmiri Pandits are effectively part of Jammu province for the last 20 years. They were a prominent part of the Jammu agitation against the communal usurpation of land meant for the Amarnath Yatris in the Kashmir region.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Mar 2010 23:27

The Geelani Faction of the Hurriyat Conference and Yasin Malik’s JKLF trade blows:

Sunday March 14:

Geelani men attack Yasin Malik

Monday March 15:

JKLF supporters attack Geelani's office

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 16 Mar 2010 07:42

Western Jammu refugees protest march

A large number of refugees from various parts of Jammu, Kathua and Samba districts, under the leadership of Capt Yudhvir Singh and Rachhpal Singh Chib under the banner of Jammu and Kashmir POK Refugee Front- 1947, 1965 and 1971, assembled at Mubarak Mandi Park outside Divisional Commissioner’s Office and staged massive protest. Then they started their protest march carrying banners and placards in hands with slogans, towards Civil Secretariat.

The protesters demanded a relief package for the refugees and their early re-settlement. Another demand made by the Front leaders included restoration of 24 Assembly seats excluded from the present Assembly strength.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 16 Mar 2010 09:04

Kashmiri Pandits are effectively part of Jammu province for the last 20 years. They were a prominent part of the Jammu agitation against the communal usurpation of land meant for the Amarnath Yatris in the Kashmir region.

Unfortunately they have been treated like crap by the central govt.

Roughly 300,000 live outside the state in squatter camps and have rejected compensation from the govt and instead are holding out for return of their houses and farmlands illegally occupied by goons in the valley. Most of those goons used the jehad card to run them out and rob their possessions.