Intel hasn't even produced 10nm chips in numbers, leave alone 7nm. Huawei, Apple and Qualcomm appear to be at the leading edge in this round.
How has Huawei managed to leapfrog Intel? What kind of a threat is this to the western world's dominance in semiconductor process?
Huwaei designed it.. but i think they use TSMC foundries
The design and instruction set came from ARM. Huawei did customize the design for their requirements within the parameters of ARM's framework, and TSMC does the manufacturing (also, TSMC's 7nm is roughly equivalent to what Intel's 10nm process, with a lot of marketing claims and counter-claims in the mix). There are plenty of companies who can design chips around ARM's architecture, including Indian ones.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 10 Jan 2019 08:13
by chanakyaa
Semiconductor gurus, what do you think of the recently announced Huawei's 7nm process server CPU?
Although, 7nm mobile chip production get lot of attention in the public domain, the holy grail for Chinese (and for many independent minded countries) is the ability to produce your own microprocessor and run your own instruction set on that processor. Based on some limited information available in the public domain, Chinese have already built a x86 based chip using AMD's assistance and can run some x86 software including Linux. And, only a11ah knows how much progress they may have made because that kind of effort would be mostly underground and info would never become public.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 10 Jan 2019 08:47
by yensoy
Thanks for inputs gurus. TSMC having the technology is equivalent to China having the technology in some ways. Regarding the instruction set, it's impossible that a completely different instruction set built in isolation/secrecy will get the kind of ecosystem, review and improvements that a widely commercialized open instruction set will provide. They could of course add instructions to x86 or ARM for specific purposes, or functional blocks in the CPU which are designed to snoop on other parts of the CPU.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 10 Jan 2019 09:08
by Neshant
yensoy wrote:TSMC having the technology is equivalent to China having the technology in some ways.
+1
Trump's latest moves to restrict the flow of fab machinery/technology to China won't be effective because that simply make a detour through Taiwan via TSMC.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Intel hasn't even produced 10nm chips in numbers, leave alone 7nm. Huawei, Apple and Qualcomm appear to be at the leading edge in this round.
How has Huawei managed to leapfrog Intel? What kind of a threat is this to the western world's dominance in semiconductor process?
As others have said Intel 10nm and TSMC 7nm are roughly analogous in performance and the rest is all PR-speak and hype.
As for this
chanakyaa wrote:
Semiconductor gurus, what do you think of the recently announced Huawei's 7nm process server CPU?
Although, 7nm mobile chip production get lot of attention in the public domain, the holy grail for Chinese (and for many independent minded countries) is the ability to produce your own microprocessor and run your own instruction set on that processor. Based on some limited information available in the public domain, Chinese have already built a x86 based chip using AMD's assistance and can run some x86 software including Linux. And, only a11ah knows how much progress they may have made because that kind of effort would be mostly underground and info would never become public.
I'd written about it in an earlier article. This is a direct way to get a first rate x86 platform for all their needs. And they've made great progress.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 11 Jan 2019 03:52
by Prem
Curating a New Concert: Multiple Visions for the Future of the Indo-Pacific
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 11 Jan 2019 23:59
by Prem
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 12 Jan 2019 00:10
by Singha
London (CNN Business)A Huawei executive has been arrested in Poland on charges of spying for China.
Poland's counterintelligence service confirmed on Friday that a Chinese citizen suspected of spying had been arrested. Polish state media identified the suspect as Huawei's sales director in the country.
China's embassy in Poland named him as Weijing Wang.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 12 Jan 2019 07:31
by Singha
A export for some techs developed in huawei center in
Sfo has been denied by commerce dept
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 12 Jan 2019 12:09
by mappunni
Not sure if this is the right place. Guru's please move accordingly.
HARD MEN IN A HARD ENVIRONMENT: INDIAN SPECIAL OPERATORS ALONG THE BORDER WITH CHINA
The U.S. Navy’s top officer will visit China starting on Sunday amid increasing frictions in the South China Sea and other issues underscoring their rivalry for dominance in Asia.
The Navy says Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson will meet with his counterpart Vice Adm. Shen Jinlong and leaders of China’s Central Military Commission during his visit to Beijing and the eastern city of Nanjing lasting through Wednesday.
The visit’s goal is to “continue a results-oriented, risk reduction focused dialogue” between the two militaries. The Navy quoted Admiral Richardson as saying such routine exchanges of views are essential to reducing risk and avoiding miscalculation “especially in times of friction.”
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 12 Jan 2019 21:02
by chetak
Singha wrote:London (CNN Business)A Huawei executive has been arrested in Poland on charges of spying for China.
Poland's counterintelligence service confirmed on Friday that a Chinese citizen suspected of spying had been arrested. Polish state media identified the suspect as Huawei's sales director in the country.
China's embassy in Poland named him as Weijing Wang.
looks like the hans have thrown this guy under the bus, which I hope was also not made in china.
Huawei has sacked the guy and said that they have nothing to do with him or his activities.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
China is expanding its access to strategic foreign ports like Pakistan's Gwadar and Sri Lanka's Hambantota to pre-position the logistic framework necessary to support the growing presence of its military in the Indian Ocean and beyond, the Pentagon said.
The People's Liberation Army's efforts to obtain access to commercial ports in Africa, the Middle-East and South Asia would align with its future overseas logistic needs and meet its evolving naval requirements, said the Congressionally-mandated report on the increasing Chinese military power which was released by the US Department of Defence on Tuesday.
China in 2015 announced its intention to build military facilities in Djibouti, citing reasons "to help the Navy and Army further participate in UN peacekeeping operations, carry out escort missions in the waters near Somalia and the Gulf of Aden and provide humanitarian assistance".
"China is expanding its access to foreign ports, such as in Gwadar, Pakistan, to pre-position the logistic framework necessary to support the PLA's growing presence abroad, including normalising and sustaining deployments into and beyond the Indian Ocean," the Pentagon said.
The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is likely to use commercial ports and civilian ships to support its international and domestic logistic operations, resupply, replenishment and maintenance, it said.
China's territorial claims in the resource-rich South China Sea are driving major logistic developments in the Spratly and Paracel Islands.
The reclaimed territory in the South China Sea by China is equipped with harbours and berthing areas that are capable of accommodating large naval ships, increasing the PLAN's ability to exercise control of critical SLOCs, it said.
According to the report, China's military strategy reflects its drive to establish a coherent, unified approach to managing national security in a world where Beijing perceives that China's expanding interests have made it more vulnerable at home and abroad.
While it calls for a peer-to-peer cooperative relationship with the United States, Beijing also believes that the presence of the US military and the US-led security architecture in Asia seeks to constrain China's rise and interfere with its sovereignty, particularly in a Taiwan conflict scenario and in the East and South China Seas.
"Since at least the 1990s, Beijing has repeatedly communicated its preference to move away from the US-led regional security system and has pursued its own regional security initiatives in support of what it views as a natural transition to regional predominance," the Pentagon said.
Authoritative Chinese documents, the report said, highlight the Korean Peninsula as an area of instability and uncertainty, and express concern regarding unsettled territorial disputes along China's border with India, which periodically result in tense standoffs like the one that occurred in the summer of 2017 in the disputed Doklam region.
Observing that China's maritime emphasis and concern with protecting its overseas interests have increasingly drawn the PLA beyond the country's borders and immediate periphery, the report said the evolving focus of the PLA Navy — from "offshore waters defense" to a mix of offshore waters defense and "open-seas protection" — reflects China's desire for a wider operational reach.
"Since 2009, the PLA has incrementally expanded its global operations beyond the previously limited port calls and UN peacekeeping missions. The PLAN has expanded the scope and frequency of extended-range naval deployments, military exercises, and engagements," it said.
The establishment in Djibouti of the PLA's first overseas military base with a deployed company of Marines and equipment, and probable follow-on bases at other locations, signals a turning point in the expansion of PLA operations in the Indian Ocean region and beyond, the Pentagon said.
These bases, and other improvements to the PLA's ability to project power during the next decade, will increase China's ability to deter by military force and sustain operations abroad, the report said.
Noting that China is currently building its first domestically-designed and -produced aircraft carrier, the Pentagon said the primary purpose of this vessel will be to serve a regional defense mission.
"Beijing probably also will use the carrier to project power throughout the South China Sea and possibly into the Indian Ocean," it said.
The carrier conducted initial sea trials in May 2018 and is expected to enter into service by 2019.
China's efforts to enhance its presence abroad, such as establishing its first foreign military base in Djibouti and boosting economic connectivity by reinvigorating the New Silk Road Economic Belt and 21st Century Maritime Road under the "Belt and Road Initiative" (BRI), could enable the PLA to project power at even greater distances from the Chinese mainland, it said.
"In 2017, Chinese leaders said that the BRI, which at first included economic initiatives in Asia, South Asia, Africa, and Europe, now encompasses all regions of the world, including the Arctic and Latin America, demonstrating the scope of Beijing's ambition," the Pentagon said.
Sri Lanka has handed over the control of the southern sea port of Hambantota to China on a 99-year lease, triggering concern over Beijing's efforts to expand influence in the region.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 17 Jan 2019 03:30
by Philip
Correct.It's not the HT port that is so important as much as the vast hectares of hinterland accompanying the deal,where as in Gwadar a huge Chin colony will be established with half a million Chinese " workers" squatting on Lankan soil administering a massive pre-positioned logistics entity to support Chinese naval and ground forces anywhere in the IOR and its littorals.HT, and Gwadar in particular along with its African outposts, will be the Chinese versions of Hong Kong in the IOR!
Supported by a craven and vassal political establishment in SL , India will be outflanked and surrounded by a permanent presence of Chinese in the island.Under NO circumstances should we allow this event and we have to plan for the most extreme military measures to prevent it from happening ever.
Like Cuba and the US diktat, the Lankan political elite must be told that the presence of any Chinese in the island in or out of uniform providing logistic support to the PLAN will be considered hostile and will result in Indian military action.Let's not beat about the bush with the Lankan puppets.The line must be drawn as early as possible.
China's GDP growth may be significantly slower than official estimates suggest and its economy more vulnerable to external shocks than widely believed, a global business think tank has warned.
Data due next week is expected to show the world's number-two economy expanded around 6.5 per cent last year, its slowest rate in almost three decades as a global slowdown and the US trade war bite.
But even that is well above the 4.1pc the US-based Conference Board, which provides research to member-businesses and organisations worldwide, says its methodology indicates.
Economists in China and abroad have long suspected data is massaged upward, often noting that full-year gross domestic product hits Beijing's pre-set targets with suspicious regularity.
The governor of northeastern Liaoning admitted in 2017 that the industrial province had falsified data for years.
Even current Premier Li Keqiang said in 2007, when he was Liaoning's top political official, that results were often "man-made" and he used his own calculations to guide provincial policymaking, according to a confidential memo released by WikiLeaks.
The Conference Board, whose research is widely tracked by investors and policymakers, began making its alternative China figures public in 2014.
David Hoffman, its senior vice president for the Asia-Pacific, said Chinese data reporting problems do not factor into the Board's calculations.
Heightened vulnerability
Its numbers differ mainly because it looks at industrial output and service-sector growth using different methodologies intended to reduce distortions in official pricing mechanisms.
Its data indicates growth in China, now a vital component of the world economy, may have been more volatile and vulnerable to outside factors than official readings let on.
For example, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) says growth dipped to 7.8pc in 1998 during the Asian financial crisis, from 9.2pc in 1997.
But The Conference Board's calculations show 1998 growth may actually have been 2.3pc, half that of the previous year.
Subsequent shocks may also have been smoothed over, most recently the 2014-2015 oil and commodity price deflation cycle.
The Conference Board estimates 2015 growth fell to 3.8pc, from 6.3pc the previous year. Official numbers, however, show a relatively small dip to 6.9pc, from 7.3pc.
Economic growth is a sensitive topic for the Communist Party, which has based its ruling legitimacy largely on delivering constant expansion and rising living standards.
Hoffman said if the Board's numbers are correct, "it makes the case for substantive economic reforms (by China) all the more urgent, especially in the face of intensifying external factors such as trade conflict and slowing global demand".
Some believe China's growth may be even lower. Xiang Songzuo, a finance professor at Beijing's Renmin University and former chief economist of China Agriculture Bank, said in a lecture last month that 2018 growth may have been as low as 1.67pc, or even contracted.
A video of Xiang's lecture was widely circulated online until government censors moved to block it.
Data crackdown
The NBS did not respond to a request for comment but acknowledges the data problem.
Last week it said it would launch a "first-ever" crackdown on falsification this year and implement a "unified" nationwide system of calculating growth.
It may not like what it finds in 2019.
Last year, the China-US trade battle may actually have boosted Chinese exports temporarily as manufacturers rushed out shipments ahead of the onset of US tariffs.
But that has ended ─ December exports fell 4.4pc year-on-year and The Conference Board's senior economist Gao Yuan said external pressures on China's economy "are likely to show up more significantly" over the next 12 months.
That further complicates Beijing's efforts to address its economic slowdown, clean up worrying debt levels, and the larger goal of transitioning away from an economic model based on exports, manufacturing and investment to one more reliant on domestic consumption.
Such priorities require a cushion of solid growth to execute, economists say, but The Conference Board sees China's growth slowing further to an average 3.8pc for 2019-2023, and 3.4pc in 2024-2028.
China's economy is "slowly decelerating, similar to the official data, but at a lower level of growth”, Gao said.
Cheers
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 18 Jan 2019 18:56
by Arima
hopefully economic turmoils will keep himalayan mischief away, peaceful south china sea and cheen scrambling to US for trade talks.
how china will take care of OROB initiatives and particularly projects in IOR with economic trouble??
if they can abandon further projects in IOR it is icing on cake for India.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 18 Jan 2019 21:19
by yensoy
chetak wrote:
Singha wrote:London (CNN Business)A Huawei executive has been arrested in Poland on charges of spying for China.
Poland's counterintelligence service confirmed on Friday that a Chinese citizen suspected of spying had been arrested. Polish state media identified the suspect as Huawei's sales director in the country.
looks like the hans have thrown this guy under the bus, which I hope was also not made in china.
Huawei has sacked the guy and said that they have nothing to do with him or his activities.
This looks like he was basically an intelligence operative snooping around for non-company/technology related info. The SOP here is to deny all knowledge of accused's activities and to cut him/her loose. Clearly he is not a princeling and his activities cannot be directly tied back to Huawei's line of business.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
With respect to the article... well it has been suspected that GDP numbers get massaged but this is often to under-report or hold back growth during a fantastic period in order to show inflated numbers or steady growth during a downturn. Not many take issue with the average GDP growth reported by the Chinese over the past say 20 years. We can call out the fact that budget and economy are treated as state secrets and statistics carefully collected (and only allowed to be collected) by secretive government offices before being divulged to the public; however the growth in numbers is real.
The one issue which has been called out is that GDP, which in typical countries is an indicator of the level of economic activity, is more a targeted system output in China thereby losing its relevance as a measure of prosperity somewhat. With each provincial head, county head and downwards tasked with attaining a certain target, they have gone about doing so in ways which are antithetical to sound business sense just to make the numbers. At some point, someone has to pay this price - are we there yet? Probably it's too early at this stage. Bubbles go on longer than one might expect them to, that's a fact - and when they burst they cause more harm than one might expect, another fact.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 18 Jan 2019 21:57
by ArjunPandit
^^what dawn is saying china growth isslower? what will happen to game changer obor?
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 19 Jan 2019 14:27
by abhik
How 8 Countries Are Handling Huawei | China Uncensored
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 19 Jan 2019 16:38
by Singha
Chinese managers punish employees for failing to achieve targets
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 19 Jan 2019 16:42
by Singha
Fairly gender neutral nuttiness
Atleast 3 of those being caned in the first video are women
And the slapper is women in second video
Third video toilet water is again being ladled out to both genders
Nobody gets away from tough managers there it seems
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 19 Jan 2019 20:36
by anupmisra
Singha wrote:Nobody gets away from tough managers there it seems
Chini awaam is used to such treatment through generations of submissiveness.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 19 Jan 2019 21:00
by chola
Singha wrote:
And the slapper is women in second video
Note the school-like uniforms. I think being physically abuse by girls in school uniforms is widely accepted (and enjoyed) in China, Korea and Japan. The Far East is far out!
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 19 Jan 2019 22:02
by Singha
And this is supposed to replace murica as no1?
The victims were not bottom of pole farmhands but educated workers
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 20 Jan 2019 02:18
by Prem
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 20 Jan 2019 11:40
by nandakumar
Singha wrote:And this is supposed to replace murica as no1?
The victims were not bottom of pole farmhands but educated workers
This story dates back to 2000 or 2001. Don't recall the exact time period but definitely going far back. Knew a person who was employed by a leather export firm in Chennai. Besides being a leading leather export firm it was also a consultant to Chinese company which was also into leather exports to the US. This Chinese company's consignments were getting rejected enmasse, not an odd piece here and there as not being upto the US firm's quality standards. The inspection reports simply said the finish quality of the leather goods were not up to the mark. The Chinese firm was perplexed as to how they are failing 100%. The Chennail consultants were called in to China for consultations. This acquaintance of mine was part of a small team of experts who went. They looked at the rejected pile, the production operation and inspection reports. They realised what the problem. The Chinese were literally producing leather goods inside out- the finished side of the leather was inside and the rough skin on the outside. They explained the problem to the owner. Then realisation dawned on him. He turned around and gave the factory manager a resounding slap on the face in full view of the next line of supervisors and much to the embarrassment and discomfiture of the Indians.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 20 Jan 2019 11:46
by hnair
nandakumar, from what you said (selling leather goods made inside out and not realizing it ) the factory owner is justified in slapping the manager. Heck, he should have asked the Indians to slap himself too...
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 20 Jan 2019 12:24
by Singha
There are videos on youtube of staff asked to slap themselves or each other .. though not as dramatic as the ones i posted. Those are just routine weekly issues vs annual company party / all hands festivals
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
China must be on guard against "black swan" risks while fending off "grey rhino" events, President Xi Jinping said on Monday, adding that the economy faces deep and complicated changes, state news agency Xinhua reported.
A "black swan" event refers to an unforeseen occurrence that typically has extreme consequences, while a "grey rhino" is a highly obvious yet ignored threat.
Xi's warning came after the release of data on Monday showed the economy posted the slowest growth in 28 years last year, hurt by faltering domestic demand and bruising US tariffs.
Local governments and state organisations should find a balance between stabilising growth and fending off risks, controlling the pace and intensity of such policies, Xi said in remarks during a meeting with provincial and department officials.
Sliding growth had pressured the government to roll out more stimulus to avert a sharper slowdown. The central bank has cut the reserve requirement ratio for banks five times in the past year.
Economic operations would be maintained within a reasonable range, Xi said, adding financing difficulties of small businesses will be resolved pragmatically while authorities would also step up support for companies to stabilise jobs.
Zombie firms - companies with a lot of debt - would be dissolved properly and resettlement of workers would be taken care of accordingly, Xi added.
China would implement long-term mechanisms that support the stable and healthy development of the property market, while making thorough evaluation of the potential impact on financial markets when drafting policies, according to Xi, who did not elaborate.
He emphasised that technology safety was an important part of national security and the country will accelerate legislation in artificial intelligence, gene editing, autonomous vehicles and drones.
Faced with complicated and difficult external environment, China would step up the protection of its overseas interests while making sure of the safety of major overseas projects and their personnel {alluding to BRI backlashes}, Xi said.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 22 Jan 2019 06:04
by SriKumar
Singha wrote:There are videos on youtube of staff asked to slap themselves or each other .. though not as dramatic as the ones i posted. Those are just routine weekly issues vs annual company party / all hands festivals
All hands.....good pun.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 22 Jan 2019 08:36
by disha
nandakumar wrote:Knew a person who was employed by a leather export firm in Chennai. Besides being a leading leather export firm it was also a consultant to Chinese company which was also into leather exports to the US.
It will be difficult for Indians to neutralize or defang china when our own are not strategically smart. If the chinese company's consignments are getting rejected enmasse, why help your competitor out? Let them sink.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
With the coming of 2019, there has begun a Beijing-directed media blitzkrieg in India: effective Friday, January 4, with the introduction of an English edition of China Daily Global Weekly. “Imported in India for distribution” by a Mumbai-based landline-numbered outfit (without a postal address), thereby starting a determined India-based “publicity operations division” of the 21st century government of the Communist Party of China. All for “public (or publicity?) diplomacy”! Is this the Clausewitz style of fighting? That “war is the continuation of political intercourse by other means”!
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Interestingly, and not surprisingly, India simply doesn’t figure in the Chinese scheme of things. Wang doesn’t consider India even worth a footnote; being acutely aware of India’s perceived fear psychosis which refuses to go away. China’s tricksters appear to be deeply embedded in the psyche of India’s ruling class. Paranoia and phobia over China just refuses to die down. Hence the words: “We will strengthen practical cooperation with neighbouring countries and other developing countries to deepen our shared interests.” India stands at par with “other developing countries”, and China seeks “practical cooperation.” That means most cooperation with neighbouring countries are impractical, and thus not feasible and not even worth looking at. Why doesn’t then India join the Belt and Road Initiative — the signature project launched by Beijing supremo Xi Jinping? Why defy the new emperor of China, specially as China will “host the second Belt and Road Forum for International Cooperation this year”?
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 22 Jan 2019 12:51
by Singha
The emperor will soon be naked
If cheen slumps to 6% growth rate it will be either give up plans to be no1 or pick a fight
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 22 Jan 2019 13:02
by chola
Singha wrote:The emperor will soon be naked
If cheen slumps to 6% growth rate it will be either give up plans to be no1 or pick a fight
Naked Xi is already capitulating to Trump. Watch this space in a few weeks for a humiliating deal with the US.
Exclusive: U.S. demands regular review of China trade reform
(Reuters) - The United States is pushing for regular reviews of China's progress on pledged trade reforms as a condition for a trade deal - and could again resort to tariffs if it deems Beijing has violated the agreement, according to sources briefed on negotiations to end the trade war between the two nation.
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A Chinese source said the United States wants “periodic assessments” but it's not yet clear how often.
“It looks like humiliation," the source said. "But perhaps the two sides could find a way to save face for the Chinese government."
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 22 Jan 2019 17:12
by Singha
the political atmosphere in US is so ugly, the Dems are unlikely to accept anything good or bad that DT negotiates just to act as a spoiler and deny him a good talking point for 2020.
Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Posted: 22 Jan 2019 18:40
by chetak
Singha wrote:the political atmosphere in US is so ugly, the Dems are unlikely to accept anything good or bad that DT negotiates just to act as a spoiler and deny him a good talking point for 2020.
