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Yawn. Media mischief only. The above (i.e. freedom to apply for bheesa) has been the principled and cavity-searched position of the US state deportment for yrs now. Move on, nothing to see here...
I saw an interview of Modi when this visa issue broke out first -- it is on YouTube. He was angry and saying: "Why are they doing this drama for someone who has never applied for a US visa?!" And that is true - he has never applied for a US visa at all in his whole life. It is manufactured controversy. The announcement of US came on the prodding of Congress party.
Narendra Modi's visa application will be considered if he applies: US

Amidst raging controversy in India over visa for Narendra Modi, the US has reaffirmed that if the Gujarat Chief Minister applies for a visa his application will be considered like any other case.

"If he (Modi) applies for a (US) visa, certainly that would be considered, as through the normal process," said State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki.

"As I said yesterday, if he applies, it will certainly be reviewed, just as any application would be."
I plan to write to US embassy to clarify once and for all if Modi has ever applied for a US visa after becoming CM. The Goras are deliberately fudging the issue and letting the controversy live.


don't ... Who the f*** is the US embassy to talk about Modi... and if they do;dogs bark....let em bark..
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Hari Seldon wrote:Meanwhile in the CCL kirket tournament currently underway in doobai, NM supporters were spotted...OMG... TsuNamo going global now....??!

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Doobai has 70% Indian population...long term plans should include annexation....
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Narayana Rao wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... awestland/

one Heli deal. In the mean while mafia queen now says BJP is doing KHHON IS KHETHI.

MOUTH KI SOWDAGAR TYPE MISTAKE???
Original Italian Newspaper link

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2014/02 ... ro/865054/

Nails it both for bribe payment to AP & quid pro quo link of IT marines to this court proceedings
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Antonia Maino Uvacha
Invoking Mahatma Gandhi's legacy on his death anniversary, Congress president Sonia Gandhi said here on Thursday that the party believed in cherishing the Indian tradition of secular thought and wanted development for all the sections of society.

"The Congress has always wanted all the sections to develop. The struggle of Dalits, Adivasis, Backward Classes, minorities and women is also the party's struggle," she said in her address at a rally after the inauguration of a centre of the Aligarh Muslim University (AMU).

"The country is going through a crucial phase. We have to decide are we going to take everyone together on the path of development or take a myopic view," Ms. Gandhi said.

The Muslim community has also benefitted for the UPA's development programmes. The Centre has also accepted the recommendations of the Sachar Committee report," Ms. Gandhi said.

In an indirect attack on the Bharatiya Janata Party, the Congress president identified communalism as the "biggest challenge."

While the Congress was working towards strengthening India's secular tradition, there was another thought process that wanted to divide society along communal lines and spark violence.
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Original ITALIAN article

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2014/02 ... ro/865054/

Translation

http://translate.google.com/translate?a ... eg4Ni5t0OQ

You are in: The Daily > Justice & Impunity > Helicopters Augu ...
Helicopters Augusta, Italian bribes to Indian politicians. In the background the marines case
Finmeccanica in the process taking place in Busto Arsizio, the prosecutor Eugenio Fusco shows a list of the personalities in New Delhi on which the Italian industrial group wanted to pressures ranging from Sonia Gandhi's right-hand man to Prime Minister Singh

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Here is the card that could make the glowing match between the Indian government and 'Italy. On the one hand the destiny of our marines, Massimiliano La Torre and Salvatore Girone. On the other hand, according to a document in the file of the Prosecutor of Busto Arsizio, there are politicians in India who took millions in bribes from Finmeccanica's Agusta helicopter for the job in 2010. The letter that could complicate relations between the two countries publish the next and was found in the villa on Lake Lugano in the Italian consultant resident in Switzerland, Guido Ralph Haschke, accused of corruption along with the former president of Finmeccanica Giusppe Bears and other consultants and managers, on charges of having paid € 30 million in bribes to public officials to promote Indian Agusta Westland in the race for the job of AW101 helicopters. When in April 2012 entered into his house, investigators Italian and Swiss Haschke feigned an illness and collapsed on his bed. Underneath was a suitcase full of documents that the consultant Piedmontese origin had left there, convinced that his Swiss citizenship was a shield against the intrusiveness of the police NOE led by Sergio De Caprio, aka Last, and Neapolitan Vincenzo pm Piscitelli and Henry John Woodcock.

Maro finmeccanica
Among the papers of the case there was a letter that, after the transition to competence survey from Naples in Busto Arsizio, the prosecutor Eugenio Fusco has studied and learned to make better coordinate it with a handwritten note from the same Haschke, he said dictation of his coindagato Christian Mitchell, with a list of the abbreviations of the names or roles of the recipients of bribes in India. Thursday, January 9th was going to Haschke-examination by the defense and the term pm Fusco has dropped three cards: the letter, handwritten note and a photo of Sonia Gandhi with his main collaborator Ahmed Patel. If the trio of Fusco, reproduced in the montage, it was aces or two of spades will tell only the Court at the end of the trial.

The first paper fell from pm January 9, is in English and reads: "March 15, 2008. For the attention of Mr. Peter Hulett (sales manager of AgustaWestland in India Ed.) Dear Peter, because Mrs. Gandhi is the driving force behind the VIP (ie the elicoitteri prepared to transport the Indian authorities that they had to be purchased by the government paying to Agusta 556 million Ed), she will no longer fly with the MI-8 (the old Russian helicopter fleet governmental Sonia Gandhi used and still use a few Indian personalities, Ed.) Mrs. Gandhi and his close associates are the people to whom the 'High Commissioner (Ambassador of Great Britain: Agusta Westland is also British, En) should aim. " After this reference to Sonia Gandhi as the "driving force" followed by the list of public figures to put in the viewfinder diplomat, at the request of Agusta.

The letter would not be embarrassing if it were not for the petitioner Mitchell has been involved, according to the prosecutor, the payment of bribes and is now quiet in Dubai. The list is impressive: 1) Manmonah Singh (Prime Minister of India, En), 2) Ahmed Patel (political secretary of Sonia Gandhi Ed), 3) Pranab Mukherjee (President of India in 2012, in 2008 foreign minister Ed) 4) M. Veerappa Moily (Minister of Energy, En) 5) Oscar Fernandes (Minister of Transport, En), 6) MK Narayanan (Governor of Bengal, Ed); 7) Vinay Singh (Chief of the Indian Railways, Ed.) The list of personalities to suggest ambassador ends with an abrupt "Christian greetings." The Fusco pm, after having shown the letter with the name of Sonia Gandhi and Ahmed Patel, his collaborator narrow, January 9, he dropped the second card: the list of bribes, already identified in a previous hearing last December but not connected to the second document in that forum (AP was thought to be Popular Alliance, the name of the party).
The list, written in ink by Haschke, dictation Mitchell according to the story of the Swiss mediator, is divided into four parts, each with a code corresponding to a category of corrupt officials. AF stands for Air Force, 6 million; BUR, ie bureaucrats who should be 8.4 million, then the POL, ie politicians, to which must be 6 million of which € 3 million to a mysterious AP. Fusco puts under the noses of the two documents Haschke, "Dr. Haschke, but according to her, the AP of three million referenced in the memo Mitchell manuscript is Ahmed Patel's letter?".
Haschke replies: "I too would come to his own conclusions, but to me Mitchell did not say and I do not know." The prosecutor shows one of several photos of Patel next to Sonia Gandhi. And who is required to Haschke Patel. The Swiss-Italian insists: "I only know Sonia Gandhi." The legal representatives of the Indian government present at the hearing have jumped on the chair.

On January 10, there are two Indian newspapers news. The first, published for example by 'Indian Express that follows best Italian media the process of Bust, was the record of the interrogation of Fusco on stacks of 3 million, of AP, the collaborator of Sonia Gandhi and the letter he quoted. On the same day appears on the Indian newspapers reported that the families of our riflemen cold imprisoned in India for two years: "The decision whether or not to apply the death penalty will be assessed by the Indian government within two or three days," was filter that day the Minister of India, Sushil Shinde Kamar. Italian newspapers such as Free, spoke of "sudden change of scenery: only yesterday, Thursday, January 9, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Salman Khurshid, had ruled out once again the application of capital punishment to the two Italian soldiers accused of murder of two fishermen. "

The feeling is clear that the two criminal cases, one against the marines in India and one from which could emerge representatives (currently unknown) of Indian politics who would take bribes, events are crossed. The strangeness of the two stories, if it concerns together, they seem to make more sense. The Indian government has frozen the order that would be won according to the prosecutor Fusco thanks to bribes by Agusta but it does filter out the idea of arbitration, known to be the prelude to a soft close. Also in the trial of the marines will remain in a legal limbo. The prosecution has not yet formulated a count of indictment and a matter now closed, such as the death penalty was re-opened in surprise January 10, after the interrogation of Fusco Haschke to Ahmed Patel, and yesterday was again throw it in a drawer by the Indian government. In spring there are elections in India, Sonia Gandhi's party could be in trouble because of the story of helicopters. And this is not good news for the marines.

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I saw NaMo posters among the crowd in NZ during one of the India NZ matches.
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That article has more than 300 comments!! Unfortunately they dont get translated automatically
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gandharva wrote:Image
R.S. Bains ‏@HerrBains 25m
Zeher Ki Kheti
Helicopter ke Neeche
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rohitv wrote:
That article has more than 300 comments!! Unfortunately they dont get translated automatically
did you try chrome
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I thought it was koon ki Khethi. Anyway with thousands of farmers suicides in their rule perhaps mafia was doing it for the last 10 years. was 1984 Khoon ki Khethi??? But since only "some congress people" involved no credit for that take by congress. Great sacrifice.

Who is TDK???
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Narayana Rao wrote: Who is TDK???
That is Swamispeak for the queen bee
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vivek.rao wrote:
gandharva wrote:Image
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Zeher Ki Kheti
Helicopter ke Neeche
What a load of bullsh*t from Swamy...Sonia's fate is far from being sealed. She wont spend one damn day in Tihar. She has plenty of money and backers and she has dirt on every politician in the country.
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kenop wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote: Who is TDK???
That is Swamispeak for the queen bee
Yes, TDK stands for Tadka (From Ramayan) if I am not wrong.
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muraliravi wrote:
did you try chrome
Same issue with chrome.
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It is very sad reading Jashodabens interview.Her life seems so tragic.Can NaMo/NaMos family be faulted?
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^ Which interview ?
Twisted and Projected by which paid media outlet ?
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svenkat wrote:It is very sad reading Jashodabens interview.Her life seems so tragic.Can NaMo/NaMos family be faulted?
She is lying outright or the media is lying. It was a child marriage, namo never saw her after that.
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gakakkad wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:Meanwhile in the CCL kirket tournament currently underway in doobai, NM supporters were spotted...OMG... TsuNamo going global now....??!

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Doobai has 70% Indian population...long term plans should include annexation....
Why stop there, perhaps we should annex Qatar and Fiji too.
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svenkat wrote:It is very sad reading Jashodabens interview.Her life seems so tragic.Can NaMo/NaMos family be faulted?
Has she indicated that she feels wronged? Child marriage is voidable if either bride or groom desires so.
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I thought on the other hand Modi will emerge stronger after this interview with his wife.

His character as an upright individual is reinforced. He didnt want to be in that marriage and social customs dictated that he couldnt divorce her. At the same time, he didnt consummate the marriage nor had a gala time as long as it lasted. Reading it, I cant help but feel an enormous sense of pity for his wife for being in that position nor fault Modi for doing what he did.

What exactly are you guys fretting over that article?
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Skanda wrote:I thought on the other hand Modi will emerge stronger after this interview with his wife.

His character as an upright individual is reinforced. He didnt want to be in that marriage and social customs dictated that he couldnt divorce her. At the same time, he didnt consummate the marriage nor had a gala time as long as it lasted. Reading it, I cant help but feel an enormous sense of pity for his wife for being in that position nor fault Modi for doing what he did.

What exactly are you guys fretting over that article?
Agreed. She got the best deal she could have. At least Shri Modi didn't drag his wife through "experiments with truth".
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WTF are some guys smoking ??? That interview paints no wrong on Modi and neither his "wife" has anything averse to say for him nor does she blames Modi for anything. Italian Express thought they would get something to paint Modi with but they got ghanta instead.
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Karan M wrote:
KLP Dubey wrote:Yes indeed. And "best and brightest" in areas where the nation can be served. We want the Raghuram Rajans, but no thanks to the Amartya Sens, VS Naipauls, and Meghnad Desais of the world.
The latter are the most likely to come back. In the west, likely nobody throws them more than an occasional bone. In India, they posture as p-sec divinity.
Well, as of today Rajan is the only one who has come back. The other three have not.
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For how long were you married and what is the status of the marriage?

We married when I was 17…

In three years, we may have been together for all of three months
. There has been no communication from his end to this day.


Did he ever tell you he was leaving you or quitting the marriage?

“why did you come to your in-laws’ house when you are still so young, you must instead focus on pursuing your studies”. The decision to leave was my own and there was never any conflict between us. He never spoke to me about the RSS or about his political leanings. When he told me he would be moving around the country as he wished, I told him I would like to join him. However, on many occasions when I went to my in-laws’ place, he would not be present and he stopped coming there. He used to spend a lot of time in RSS shakhas. So I too stopped going there after a point and I went back to my father’s house.

Are you still legally Modi’s wife?

Every time people take his name, I am also mentioned somewhere, even though in the background. Did you not come all the way and look all over, to find me and come and speak to me? If I was not his wife, would you have come to speak to me?

Do you feel slighted that your status as a wife has not been acknowledged by him in all these years?

No. I don’t feel bad, because I know that he is doing so due to destiny and bad times. In such situations he has to say such things and also has to lie. I
Liloji,from the interview in IE posted by anmolji in the previous page
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Lilo wrote:^ Which interview ?
Twisted and Projected by which paid media outlet ?
By Cat5Moron (SagarikaGhose)

I feel so angry with media pimps here. This is basically opening old personal wounds of a gentle lady and pouring salt on it to just get back to Modi. Only inhuman beasts do that. The #mediapimps are at this stage inhuman beasts.
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svenkat wrote:It is very sad reading Jashodabens interview.Her life seems so tragic.Can NaMo/NaMos family be faulted?
In what way Namo or his family to be faulted? It is tragic from one perspective however they went on to pursue their destinies. Tragedy is when media pimps hound them for their TRPs.

So today "Khooni" Sonias' (for her comment khoon ki kheti) hand in the cookie jar comes out and bingo' we have a Rona-dhona interview about Modi's betrothal. Who benefits?
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disha wrote:
Lilo wrote:^ Which interview ?
Twisted and Projected by which paid media outlet ?
By Cat5Moron (SagarikaGhose)

I feel so angry with media pimps here. This is basically opening old personal wounds of a gentle lady and pouring salt on it to just get back to Modi. Only inhuman beasts do that. The #mediapimps are at this stage inhuman beasts.
The same media who never wanted to question ST or his past life, the same media who has never questioned either IG or recently SG about their past life, have been going to interview NaMoji's wife, even though she has not shown any inclination to come forward and tell her story. Media has never questioned Karunanidhi, Shri Sharadchandraraoji Pawar about multiple marriages (although it is illegal according to the constitution). It is indeed sad to see the old lady who has already went through a tough life, being subjected to such questioning at this age. In the Indian milieu it is even more discomforting when your married life is being discussed in front of your grand-children.
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They are getting desparate and durti gurti jihadi actions are expected. We also have to see how for BJP goes in supporting congress in last parliament sitting. It will indicate how for Sushma and D4 gang are joining mafia to stop Modi. One indication will be Telangana bill. There is no need for BJP to support mafia queen after she discribes them doing Zehar ki Khethi in Karnataka meeting. Does Sushma allow parliament to function after helicaptor deal allegations are reported today??? I am not certain. The D4 has last chance to choose. I hope they get wiser.
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if a girl licks her lips, it does not mean she wants to give you a frenchie. please don't ETL anyone's feelings from interviews.
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:rotfl: :rotfl:
What happend at Advani’s residence

At a time when one of the biggest contenders to the seat at the Centre is shaping up its final strategy for the election Mahabharata, a face-off is on at veteran leader Advani’s home between the son and father. Sources reveal that the discussions got so heated up between father Advani and son Jayant that the son has left his father’s house and moved to a flat at the Commonwealth Games Village. A source that knows the Advani family closely claims that the bone of contention in the entire drama is Advani’s political inheritance. Advani’s daughter Pratibha and son Jayant both are keen on take up active politics. Jayant is so eager that he went to Gandhinagar and met Modi. It is believed that during the meeting, he even asked Modi for Advani’s Parliament seat of Gandhinagar, saying, “My father is past his prime now and is not keen on contesting elections.” Modi called up Advani and asked him, “Will you contest or shall I gave the ticket to your son?” Needless to say, there was a lot of friction between the father and son after that.

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^^^ This is what happens when you refuse to retire gracefully even at 85. You lose all your goodwill and respect, and become a laughing stock. RSS should have a gentle talk with Advani about the need for him to walk into the sunset. The man is sticking around like a leech.
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SanjayC wrote:^^^ This is what happens when you refuse to retire gracefully even at 85. You lose all your goodwill and respect, and become a laughing stock. RSS should have a gentle talk with Advani about the need for him to walk into the sunset. The man is sticking around like a leech.
This geezer has retired. Modi runs the show. He is more of a grandpa figure. He just walks around the house, people pretend to listen, etc. He should probably start a yoga and ayurvedic diet to remain in good health and keep the brain sharp.
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Modi and his "wife' are common people who can be dragged into mud. But not gora elite of mafia gangs. No one even memtions the ladies with whom Pappu tours Europe and spent his time in Kerala and even Rape allegations on him. The victim was not interviewed by anyone.

Mafia family is untouchable.
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Modi has to focus on 4 things now:
1. Continue highlighting good governance of BJP run states and their policies.
2. Continue attacking Sonia, Rahul and Congress on issues.
3. Importantly project good regional BJP candidates.
4. Most Importantly destroy other regional parties. So that they form no alliances with Congress and creat new fronts.

#4 is crucial now. If people do not like BJP then they should be demotivated to vote for Congress or its minions. All Congress' sins have to be tied to regional parties. They all should sink together.
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SwamyG wrote:Modi has to focus on 4 things now:
1. Continue highlighting good governance of BJP run states and their policies.
2. Continue attacking Sonia, Rahul and Congress on issues.
3. Importantly project good regional BJP candidates.
4. Most Importantly destroy other regional parties. So that they form no alliances with congress and creat new fronts.

#4 is crucial now. If people do not like BJP then they should be demotivated to vote for Congress or its minions. All Congress' sins have yo be tied to regional parties. They all should sink together.
Completely agree. These regional parties have to sink with the Congress. They are all different variants of the same virus. Mamata will also have to be neutralized if she cannot dismantle the left framework in Bengal. J&K parties will all have to be slowly eradicated by force if need be.
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