Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Muppalla]

Lot of folks want NaMo to take the Jihadi bait and trip over. The Mafia wants him to do that badly, and some fellow BRFites are unwittingly asking for the same.

Some stalwarts that posts pages after pages on Islamism also asking NaMo to do that suicide. Sirs, please observe Islamist tactics very carefully. No politician with sympathies to Islamism will do that mistake. They leave to the Mullahs to raise war cries within the closed four walls of the mosques. Their political arms always have a plausible denial to claim.

What will we gain by NaMo talking about riots? MSM will go to town saying that BJP is triggering a communal polarization.

Last election in 2009, same area and same issue. Remember Varun Gandhi's speech? And what was the results. Those asking NaMo to take the bait, I'll request them to present the 2009 LS performance of BJP in Western UP after Varun Gandhi promised to have the hands chopped off of the molesters and rapists.

The position of the Jats is funny. All these years they have voted for Congress. Now they have their kids killed and raped, and all of a sudden they want BJP to create a media issue at the expense of BJP's all India prospects. I don't get comfortable feeling about these people towards larger cause of Hindu community. What they can and should expect from BJP need not to be shouted from an open rally, rather it has to be conveyed via door to door campaign. This is where RSS org come into picture. And the same should also be understood by BJP's workers on the field.

BJP has to educate its workers very carefully. A BJP PM cannot bear the burden Hindutva agenda. That will be a political suicide. What BJP should do is to ensure that the Hindu orgs get a level playing fields. They should be able to match arm for arm with Jihadis. Such measures include disbanding federal departments and orgs that were created with the sole purpose of harassing Hindus (NIA). Once there is no over hanging sword of partiality and unjust persecution VHP/BD are quite capable of keeping Jihadis in check.

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The other folks in this thread that say temple issue is dead are equally wrong. It is an extremely important for Hindu consolidation, it cuts across all caste, linguistic and geographical fault lines within the Hindu society. It will be a tremendous boost for confidence and self respect.

Again, the trick here is to ensure the govt. only ensure that there is no legal barrier to a temple construction movement. This may require some arm twisting of the judiciary as some SC judges seem to hell bent on delaying the issue, when we thought that Hindus and Muslims masses alike were beginning getting on with the Allahabad HC judgement.

+1001. Oh boy, I just explained exactly same to a friend of mine over phone.

[Muppalla]

Comparing apples and oranges...internal coalition politicking vs public speeches of current issues.

I disagree. It is not. Some current issues are created to polarize. Western UP riots are always created ones and always are for political gains only. Coalitions, wooing winnable candidates is more important that winning brownie points and later giving the country to dynasty once more.

[SaiK]

NM has to capture UP,MH, BH, KA, and MP. Another critical hard set is AP, TN, and KL. If he can get 50% in the southern state, then we are talking. otherwise, i don't see the bjp is making any influence with NM's performance model.

people at large still suck for seeking the right model in place... culturally, we as a nation is half past destruction.

[geeth]

I feel too many armchair strategists are suggesting that Modi should do what they wish him to do, not what he or BJP wish to do..And these guys think Modi and his team have no plan to capture power.

Just give it a thought for this idea/plan of Kangress.. They know they are going to do poorly. So they do everything to make even the hard core supporters to despise them. Shehzada interview was one such thing, so much so that even shehzada's clan and close aids are not going to vote for Kangress.

So where will these sikular kangress votebank go? Except Muslims, many of these voters(especially half sikular ones) may want to try Modi. It is these voters whom kangress is trying hard to prevent from going to Modi. How they do it? Work on their half sikularism by making the so called 'Federal front' a viable option and at the same time try and force Modi utter things that may sound to be communal.

They will try these tricks 24x7 even after elections are over

[RajeshA]

I don't think Jats are that enamored with temple politics. They are also not looking up to Vinay Katiyar or Kalyan Singh. All the Jats came today to see Modi, and Modi was supposed to make a connect with them.

That means Modi was supposed to take on the issues head-on. He need not go into specifics. He can choose his lines carefully, but he should have gone into the issues.

The issue in Western UP, is price of sugarcane, reservation for Jats, Muzaffarnagar riots, and general Jihad.

Of course NaMo was supposed to say BJP stands for peace between Hindus and Muslims so that both can develop in peace AND for that it is important that communal political parties like SP and Congress not be given any room, for that it is important that Jihadi elements be marginalized and pushed out of Muslim milieu.

[SRoy]

price of sugarcane

What can the central govt. do? It is the state govt. job to declare minimum support price.

reservation for Jats

Do we want BJP to endorse this? What will be the long term consequences?

Muzaffarnagar riots

What happened to Varun Gandhi's speech last time? Why should someone humor the Jats at the expense of their all India votes?
As I said, follow up actions to such riots should be taken by Hindu orgs and govt. should ensure that law and order apparatus is applied without any partiality.

general Jihad.

All India issue, not an exclusive Jat problem.

[IndraD]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 780617.cms?

I am 100% convinced that many media house follow this forum to get ammunition. Only yesterday I saw spamming article on Bharti in toilet paper and now what is being discussed , BR certainly is ahead of curve.

[archan]

As some have expressed earlier, Congressis know they are going to hit rock bottom and it will be no holds barred from them.
Cong calls Modi mentally retarded
Currently if there is a contender who has maintained composure, has people looking up to him, it is NM. Cong will try to pull him down to their level and try to beat him there. I doubt he will bite it.

[Shanmukh]

price of sugarcane

What can the central govt. do? It is the state govt. job to declare minimum support price.

There is a central sugar ministry that sets the policy for all this. What policy changes does NaMo want to institute?

reservation for Jats

Do we want BJP to endorse this? What will be the long term consequences?

It is already given by UP, Rajasthan (and maybe even Delhi - not sure). Central government stand on this is necessary. Congress has declared itself for reservation. What is the BJP policy on this?

Muzaffarnagar riots

What happened to Varun Gandhi's speech last time? Why should someone humor the Jats at the expense of their all India votes?
As I said, follow up actions to such riots should be taken by Hindu orgs and govt. should ensure that law and order apparatus is applied without any partiality.

Varun Gandhi was being insulting towards the Muslims. There is no need to be insulting towards Muslims to empathise with the Jats. And the idea that Jats are being humoured at the expense of the others in India is ridiculous (particularly obscene considering that this community has been the sword arm of India). Will you agree with this statement `The Kashmiri Pandits are irrelevant because trying to return them to their homes will be at the expense of the other communities'

general Jihad.

All India issue, not an exclusive Jat problem.

Yet, it is the Jats (and other HIndus) in western UP who are facing the brunt of this Jihad. My sister, who is campaigning for BJP in northern Kerala tells me that the Nairs of Malabar were also getting polarised towards the BJP, because of NaMo's Hindu credentials. Once the news about NaMo's secularisation gets around, I expect BJP to lose ground in Assam, Western UP, and Malabar. That will the great achievement of Delhification of NaMo. You are putting too much credibility on MSM. NaMo is popular in spite of the MSM - not because of it. If they attack him, people will know he is doing right.

[johneeG]

This time Hindhuthva will be the big vote-catcher in UP, no doubt. And Modi's appeal is due to his persona of being a strong Hindhuthva icon. Thats why, Shah was sent there and he is doing the groundwork for the preparation of ground for Hindhuthva. Similarly, Hindhuthva will have strong attraction for Vangalis. Thats why, Varun was sent there and he is doing groundwork for that in Vangal. In Kerala, Modi himself went. In places, where they have strong Hindhuthva generals, the commander-in-chief can project a moderate persona.

In UP, consistently the Hindhuthva undercurrent can be seen in lotus' rallies. So far, Modi himself has not raised two core Hindhuthva issues:
a) Shree Raam temple
b) jihadhi terror activities

I think eventually, these will be raised. Remember, so far, the elections are still not announced. Let, the elections be announced. Let the EC takeover. Then, the game will heat up. Until then, it will the generals who will raise bugle and the commander will keep calm.

Anyway, the goal for this elections is clear: kongi mukth Bhaarath. Lets cure the cancer. Than, dhesh can do a lot of things.

And revenge is best served cold. Modi is no where the same as Bajpayee. Bajpayee was a Nahru guy. Modi is being opposed precisely because he is not like any of his predecessors.

I think I read it correctly that Modi is not in favor of separate T also. If he had his way, he would have reversed the lotus stand on T. But, since that will be a U-turn and is being opposed by some internal factions, he has been trying to extricate himself out of it. The same is true about Hindhuthva issue as well.

Modi offered to rebuild Kedharnaath temple. Why will he not build Shree Raam Temple? I think he'll build the temple in his first term itself and open it by the time for the next elections. And if Jaats vote for him, they will help themselves in ridding of the rape/terror jihadh. He'll even tackle the art 370 issue. And he'll do the development. I have that confidence on him.

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About NaMo's 'wife':
His 'wife' is also very inspiring actually. She remained loyal to him(she indicated that she still avidly follows him and has not remarried or divorced him). She made a life for herself and has not sullied her dignity in all these years.

About injustice:
Well, its an issue between them. If she complaints in public, then it becomes a public issue. So far, she seems to be of the view that she will not do anything to harm his chances...like a good old Bhaaratheeya wife. So, if she is not complaining, whats the issue?

I think the media will be better off covering the Sunandha Pushkar's unnatural death and her allegations that her husband was having an affair with ISI agent. And also the huge expose by the Italian newspaper about the kickbacks in Heli deal. These are the real issues that media should focus on.

[panduranghari]

You just have to see how he ruled Gujarat all these years. The fact that Gujarat Govt. rejected all the money from Cenre which was to be paid to minorities is an example. Gujarat approached SC in spite of setbacks in lower courts, HC. If it does not convince you, nothing will convince you. The whole PAIDMEDIA, international media are waiting for a slip up of PUPPY remard to pounce on Modi and start bad mouthing him 24x7. They are not leaving even his wife who was married 45 years back briefly.

Either you get it from his actions or you don't get it.

For 10 years, he was not apologetic about Hindutva. Today, he does not even mention it.

He should mention Hindutva to satisfy whom? What gain do you expect out of this?

[Shanmukh]

He should mention Hindutva to satisfy whom? What gain do you expect out of this?

He needed to empathise with the Jats, who bore the brunt of Jihad against them. That is Hindutva. And he should have empathised with the Jats because it is the correct thing to do, not to satisfy anyone.

[disha]

Good to hear he raised the point about NE children.

That was with an eye on voters in North East.

No. Then you have not understood Modi.

Modi does not divide up things into a "eye on NE votes". Yes, he has "eyes on votes" but not on "vote banks". The difference here is subtle., he is bringing in to point out

1. Differences are skin deep only., at the end we are all bharatiyas with equal rights
2. Safety for all.

Everybody is different and nobody wants to loose their life for just being "perceived different". That resonates with his crowd.

[disha]

He should mention Hindutva to satisfy whom? What gain do you expect out of this?

He needed to empathise with the Jats, who bore the brunt of Jihad against them. That is Hindutva. And he should have empathised with the Jats because it is the correct thing to do, not to satisfy anyone.

If the Jats are such "cry- babys" that they need a shoulder to cry on., then they can go and vote CongIs. They will find several "maut ke saudagars" to cry on.

Bringing in muzaffarnager riots and "empathising with Jats" is not Hindutva but pandering to a Jat votebank and if the Jats consider themselves a votebank to be pandered to, then they will be taken for rides like the muslim votebank. I do not know if the jats are that dumb!

Religion based riots and associated death and destruction has no place in our society. Everybody gets effected., and Modi's message is simple this is not the way to do things.

[SRoy]

There is a central sugar ministry that sets the policy for all this. What policy changes does NaMo want to institute?

Yes, the central govt. frame policies, but it is for the state govt. to declare such minimum support prices.

It is already given by UP, Rajasthan (and maybe even Delhi - not sure). Central government stand on this is necessary. Congress has declared itself for reservation. What is the BJP policy on this?

If BJP endorses such nonsense, then it is in contradiction with what RSS professes. Sorry they will lose many votes.

Varun Gandhi was being insulting towards the Muslims. There is no need to be insulting towards Muslims to empathise with the Jats. And the idea that Jats are being humoured at the expense of the others in India is ridiculous (particularly obscene considering that this community has been the sword arm of India). Will you agree with this statement `The Kashmiri Pandits are irrelevant because trying to return them to their homes will be at the expense of the other communities'

Please cut the sword arm BS. A lot of communities in India were labelled "martial race" by the Brits and were favorably recruited in the British Indian Army, to keep away other communities that until 1857 (and also later) constantly harassed the Brits via armed struggle. Jats are one such privileged community.
And isn't this the "sword arm" that refused to raise their swords when the Marathas appealed to them? Please, lets not deify one particular community at the expense of others.

Kashmiri pandits were forcibly expelled on the other hand Jats supported the Congress for years, which means they failed to make a common cause with other Hindus. Now their political masters have other important vote banks to cater to, so they are looking for alternatives. Their plight will be heard and support rendered, but that doesn't means playing into hands of a biased media.

Finally, on Varun Gandhi. What he said was perfectly okay. Accurate, no mincing of words. The lessons that many drew from the event was that, opportunity for such discourse is years away after anti-Hindu apparatus at the center is dismantled bib by bit.

Yet, it is the Jats (and other HIndus) in western UP who are facing the brunt of this Jihad. My sister, who is campaigning for BJP in northern Kerala tells me that the Nairs of Malabar were also getting polarised towards the BJP, because of NaMo's Hindu credentials. Once the news about NaMo's secularisation gets around, I expect BJP to lose ground in Assam, Western UP, and Malabar. That will the great achievement of Delhification of NaMo. You are putting too much credibility on MSM. NaMo is popular in spite of the MSM - not because of it. If they attack him, people will know he is doing right.

Sorry, the Jat's don't yet know what Jihad is. If they knew a bit about it, they wouldn't be voting Congress all these years when they had an alternative. As someone wrote that temple is not an emotive issue for them, amply proves that they are not even conversant with issues that matter the larger Hindu society.

[Victor]

Let me make a prediction here about NaMo's Guwahati rally (on February 8 ). NaMo will not even mention the illegal immigrants making the lives of the Hindus miserable. He will not speak a word about the dead Bodos in the recent riots, or offer them a word of sympathy. He will just speak about his governance, jobs and employment.

I'll call you on that. The Bodo-Muslim violence is simmering but isn't as charged or recent as Muzaffarnagar so I am betting he will hammer the illegals. He has to if he is going to consolidate and get Assamese Hindu votes. Plus he doesn't even have to mention the RoP at all, just illegal immigrants per the Indian constitution. In Assam, it is illegals first and everything else later and I'm sure he has been apprised of that.

[disha]

About injustice:
Well, its an issue between them. If she complaints in public, then it becomes a public issue. So far, she seems to be of the view that she will not do anything to harm his chances...like a good old Bhaaratheeya wife. So, if she is not complaining, whats the issue?

I think the media will be better off covering the Sunandha Pushkar's unnatural death and her allegations that her husband was having an affair with ISI agent. And also the huge expose by the Italian newspaper about the kickbacks in Heli deal. These are the real issues that media should focus on.

First of all there is *No Injustice*. It is the choices adults make and those choices need to be respected (they are not illegal).

So if #mediapimps cry for "injustice to modi's wife" they are welcome to go to hell.

And when #mediapimps drew an innocent moment into the debate, they crossed a lakshman-rekha which should never have been crossed. I am so *mad* thinking about it already.

*I have no sympathy or empathy left for those Indian journos who support the above*

[VikramS]

I did not watch it closely but Modi made the "bahu-beti" safety remark very unambiguously. He also talked about SP not stopping riots. I am not sure what the folks here expect, but do you expect a PM candidate to say anything more?

He now has to appeal to the fence sitters and the neutrals, not those already converted.

[Chandragupta]

Btw, NDTV finds the speech 'communal' while we are debating the same. They also threw in some peaceful Muslims in refugee camps to back them up.

[KJo]

Akhilesh Yadav has been a failure as CM. What does the Indian media feel about him?
With people dying in camps, he is partying with Madhuri and Sallu.

[sunnyP]

If Namo goes secular, BJP will die out in a few years. The Sangh will distance itself and once that umbilical cord is cut, BJP will whither away.

Depends what you mean by secular. If Namo creates a society where people of all faith and none live under the same rule of law then what's the problem? If he creates a framework where reservations/appeasement etc for minorities die out then what is the problem? If he creates a system where the state stays out of religious business (including hajj subsidies, silly blasphemy laws, unfair theft of temple funds by the centre etc) then where is the problem?

There is nothing wrong with 'going secular' imo and if he does it properly he will strengthen the BJP not weaken it.

[panduranghari]

He should mention Hindutva to satisfy whom? What gain do you expect out of this?

He needed to empathise with the Jats, who bore the brunt of Jihad against them. That is Hindutva. And he should have empathised with the Jats because it is the correct thing to do, not to satisfy anyone.

Nageshks Saar while I do agree with most things you write, I do not agree with your above assertion.



image by panduranghari1, on Flickr

[KJo]

If Namo goes secular, BJP will die out in a few years. The Sangh will distance itself and once that umbilical cord is cut, BJP will whither away.

Depends what you mean by secular. If Namo creates a society where people of all faith and none live under the same rule of law then what's the problem? If he creates a framework where reservations/appeasement etc for minorities die out then what is the problem? If he creates a system where the state stays out of religious business (including hajj subsidies, silly blasphemy laws, unfair theft of temple funds by the centre etc) then where is the problem?

There is nothing wrong with 'going secular' imo and if he does it properly he will strengthen the BJP not weaken it.

Agree with sunny. We need REAL secularism, not the crap fake one of the Congress. Congress has turned Secularism into a bad word. I am okay for Hindu rashtra, but then would not mind a country where everyone was equal and peaceful religious people not treated like first class citizens.

[Supratik]

I see some posters want Modi to do a Panipat.

[disha]

it is not a question of voters, as I said, but of volunteers. With gaffes like this, you will demoralise the cadres, who are often hardcore Hindutva people - particularly in places like western UP or Assam, where the volunteers are literally putting their lives on the line by campaigning for the BJP openly. If NaMo does not even acknowledge the dead Jats (who constituted the bulk of the volunteers in western UP), why do you think they will be impressed with him? In 2004, the volunteers did not want Vajpayee back, even if the voters did. You saw the result in UP. Why do you think things will be any different from NaMo? Just because he is NaMo?

If BJP has such fickle and foolish cadre then we are am demoralized already!

For the second bolded part., why should NaMo acknowledge *only* dead jats - he has pointed out that everybody requires safety - Jat or not. He has acknowledged all the innocent victims of riots.

Now are you saying that a "dead jat" is better than a "dead muslim"? All are humans and they should be treated equally - religion is secondary and what NaMo wave indicates is that religion does not fill your tummy or your aspirations.

[Just saw several posters on this topic., well explained positions - nageshks'ji thanks for standing by your opinion. It helps to crystallize some thoughts]

[Shanmukh]

If the Jats are such "cry- babys" that they need a shoulder to cry on., then they can go and vote CongIs. They will find several "maut ke saudagars" to cry on.

Yes, this emphasises the latest politics of the BJP. When you call the victims of a jihad `cry babies', that about settles any discussion. I am sure that the Jats will find others who are more receptive to their concerns. As will the others hit by jihad.

[Abhijit]

अरे सर, शिवाजी ने अभी तो सिर्फ़ तोरण गढ़ हासिल किया है. और आप ऐसे बर्ताव कर रहे हो जैसे दिल्ली के तख्त पर गो ब्राह्मण प्रतिपालक विराजमान हो| The goal for the next 6 months - hopefully next 6 years - is to have a riot-free Bharat or at least whatever bad happens should not be even remotely connected to NaMo. You fight with the force you have and with the environment you are dealt with. And due the history of the past 1000+ years, we have been dealt with a hand where a large number of Hindu 'intelligentia' is HINO and in fact works overtime to make Hindus lives even more untenable. Please think before jumping to question NaMo's credentials and intentions.

[Shanmukh]

Please cut the sword arm BS. A lot of communities in India were labelled "martial race" by the Brits and were favorably recruited in the British Indian Army, to keep away other communities that until 1857 (and also later) constantly harassed the Brits via armed struggle. Jats are one such privileged community.

Privileged or not, they have served the cause of the country. And among the dead and the affected were a whole lot of army men. In the end, does it even matter whether the community is privileged or not? And if they are privileged, does it mean they can be jihaded?

And isn't this the "sword arm" that refused to raise their swords when the Marathas appealed to them? Please, lets not deify one particular community at the expense of others.

Dude - do you want me to begin listing the unpatriotic acts by other communities? What purpose are you serving by demonising the Jats? They have fought in defence of their land (be it for their own interests, or in the interests of the others), and for that they deserve respect.

Kashmiri pandits were forcibly expelled on the other hand Jats supported the Congress for years, which means they failed to make a common cause with other Hindus. Now their political masters have other important vote banks to cater to, so they are looking for alternatives. Their plight will be heard and support rendered, but that doesn't means playing into hands of a biased media.

Jats, particularly in UP, have been voting against the Congress since at least 1989. Let me give you another piece of information. Kashmiri Pandits voted for the Congress, even National Conference often. Does that mean they deserved to be butchered, and that those who escaped deserve little empathy from their brethren?

Finally, on Varun Gandhi. What he said was perfectly okay. Accurate, no mincing of words. The lessons that many drew from the event was that, opportunity for such discourse is years away after anti-Hindu apparatus at the center is dismantled bib by bit.

Varun Gandhi was being needlessly insulting. NaMo could have empathised with the plight of the Jats without saying a single offensive word against anyone. That would have endeared him to the Jats. But NaMo has lost that opportunity. Hopefully, there will be no price for the BJP to pay, but I would not bet on that.

Sorry, the Jat's don't yet know what Jihad is. If they knew a bit about it, they wouldn't be voting Congress all these years when they had an alternative. As someone wrote that temple is not an emotive issue for them, amply proves that they are not even conversant with issues that matter the larger Hindu society.

You get a community when it is affected. Inevitably. And when you get that community, you don't lose them by ignoring them. Modi made a faux pas. Let us see where it ends.

[Shanmukh]

If BJP has such fickle and foolish cadre then we are am demoralized already!

BJP cadre is the Hindutva crowd. Thus far, since NaMo began his campaign, they have had no reason to support him (Amit Shah already made it clear that the election will be only about development.) Today, NaMo went another step further. He ignored the victims of riots.

Many in the Hindutva crowd are personally well off. Even if the economy becomes worse, they will not be affected. If NaMo shows signs of swearing off the Hindutva plank to become yet another secular leader, what reason do they have to work for him?

For the second bolded part., why should NaMo acknowledge *only* dead jats - he has pointed out that everybody requires safety - Jat or not. He has acknowledged all the innocent victims of riots.

As for the `dead Jats', his crowd was made of huge numbers of Jats. The riot was between Jats and Muslims. You take some pains to empathise with your audience. Otherwise, it reminds one of Nehru's speeches in Jammu in 1948 (He came there and talked about bringing peace to the state, but did not say a word of acknowledgement about the soldiers who were fighting or the dead civilians who had been butchered and/or raped by the Jihadi thugs). And Jats, new converts to the Hindutva cause, need some careful handling.

[devesh]

now we have Maratha-Jat relations in the 18th century being discussed.

this is a needless debate. let's forget the "sword arm", the "martial race" and all other historical interventions. focus on the now and the present.

the point is that a Hindu community in that region has been witnessing Jihad and Namo doesn't even mention it. this is a terrible blunder at the least. at worst, it is an indication of which direction Namo is going. I'm hoping it's the former and not the later.

stop bringing in nonsensical tangents like "sword arm". on this I agree with SRoy ji. but it doesn't mean that I will smile at the plight of those Hindus today. history can be rectified. but present mistakes will take another generation to rectify if we continue making the same mistakes.

a future nationalist regime in India can rectify the "martial race" bullsh** by expanding the recruitment base and having more soldiers from the East and the South, apart from the North and the West. anybody who opposes it can be challenged on grounds of racism at that appropriate time.

but now is not the time to settle historical scores that only prove to be self-goals at best.

[Shanmukh]

Let me make a prediction here about NaMo's Guwahati rally (on February 8 ). NaMo will not even mention the illegal immigrants making the lives of the Hindus miserable. He will not speak a word about the dead Bodos in the recent riots, or offer them a word of sympathy. He will just speak about his governance, jobs and employment.

I'll call you on that. The Bodo-Muslim violence is simmering but isn't as charged or recent as Muzaffarnagar so I am betting he will hammer the illegals. He has to if he is going to consolidate and get Assamese Hindu votes. Plus he doesn't even have to mention the RoP at all, just illegal immigrants per the Indian constitution. In Assam, it is illegals first and everything else later and I'm sure he has been apprised of that.

Let us see, Victor-ji. Once NaMo speaks in Guwahati, we will have more clarity.

[devesh]

If my sister gets raped. and other women of my community in my region are being threatened. if Jihad looms large over my people, and a national leader comes to my home base and doesn't even mention it. forget mentioning it, he completely ignores it as if it's non-existent, then the rest of the "practical" and "development oriented" patriots shouldn't at all be surprised if I don't vote for this national leader. on top of it, if the supporters of said national leader, sitting in protected regions inside or outside of India, blame me for my plight as a "cry baby", that only further supports my conviction that I am on my own.

this is what the Saffron faces. they need to reaffirm to the base that they are looking out for them. that they are with them and stand with them. if they cannot even do that, don't be surprised if base looses trust in you.

[durvasa]

nageshK, I understand how you feel. I am from that region. But I think that you are proving just why Jats got exploited for centuries. There is NaMo who can make a change for better for Jats but also for all others indians and who has a long track record to prove that. And there are others who have been trampling Jats' rights and are openly supporting their enemies. If you or Jats still want to support others because Namo did not overtly speak about their righteous cause and commit political suicide, then nothing is left really to discuss. This despite NaMo's commitment to Hindu Swabhiman and that he honored the local MLAs who protected Hindus during riots in the same rally, while others are treating them like murderers for Muslim votes, then I feel sorry for India! for Jats, for NaMo and for everyone fighting to destroy the anti-national forces in 2014 elections.

Let's stay focused. It's not just Jats, all communities have genuine grievances in this country. Let's win the immediate battle in sight first.

[Muppalla]

If my sister gets raped. and other women of my community in my region are being threatened. if Jihad looms large over my people, and a national leader comes to my home base and doesn't even mention it. forget mentioning it, he completely ignores it as if it's non-existent, then the rest of the "practical" and "development oriented" patriots shouldn't at all be surprised if I don't vote for this national leader. on top of it, if the supporters of said national leader, sitting in protected regions inside or outside of India, blame me for my plight as a "cry baby", that only further supports my conviction that I am on my own.

this is what the Saffron faces. they need to reaffirm to the base that they are looking out for them. that they are with them and stand with them. if they cannot even do that, don't be surprised if base looses trust in you.

That is not true. He mentioned it and he also said the state government is doing partiality. Regarding Saffron base, the so called saffron base in India is 5% and leaders can always keep them happy and live in opposition and that option is there.

[panduranghari]

Panchatantra story on the importance of delayed gratification.

There was once a hard-working and generous farmer who had several idle and greedy sons. On his deathbed, he told them that they would find his treasure if they were to dig in a certain field. As soon as the old man was dead, the sons hurried to the fields, which they dug up from one end to another, and with increasing desperation and concentration when they did not find the gold in the place indicated.

Thinking that in his generosity their father must have given his gold away during his lifetime, they abandoned their search. Finally, it occurred to them that, since the land had been prepared they might as well now sow a crop.

They planted wheat, which produced an abundant yield. They sold this crop and prospered that year. After the harvest was in, the sons thought again about the bare possibility that they might have missed the buried gold, so they again dug up the fields, with the same result.

After several years they became accustomed to labour, and to the cycle of the seasons, something which they had not understood before. Now they understood the reason for their father’s method of training them. They had become honest and contented farmers, no longer concerned about the hidden hoard.

[member_28233]

I agree with those that say it was a trap that NM skillfully avoided.

Look at a possible sequence of events:

[*] SG makes a speech where she terms the BJP as 'zeher ki kheti'
[*] NaMo speaks about Muzaffarnagar, his words are twisted as a call to communal violence
[*] Some days later a riot breaks out in Meerut/Western UP

The media can goto town on the sagacity of SG's warning; switch the conversation to the BJP's "communal agenda"; warn of regular riots, pogroms, and the country in chaos, possibly fracturing. The main discourse can be shifted from price rises; lack of job creation; corruption and UPA's misgovernance, to the BJP causing turmoil in the country.

As for sympathy for the Jats, he did say the following:

http://www.niticentral.com/2014/02/02/m ... 85872.html

Modi said,”SP Government is capable of nothing but vote-bank politics. This not Samajwadi Party but ‘Samaj Virodhi Party’. What is the law and order situation here? I want to ask you, do you trust that women are safe in this SP ruled State. Do you want to make UP riot free? BJP believes in peace, unity, brotherhood and Sadbhavana. Believe in us and we promise you that we will give a riot-free State.”

As for not addressing the issue of sugarcane farmers, from the above link, he had the following to say:

Modi further slammed the SP Government for the the pitiable condition of sugarcane farmers in UP and said, “farmers are saying, we wish Chaudhary Charan Singh and Mahendra Singh Tikait were alive today. More than 60 lakh sugarcane farmers aren’t able to have basic meals which makes me wish that old time leaders existed. In Gujarat the sugar factories start as soon as the sugarcane harvesting is done. It is decided beforehand which farmer’s harvest will go to which factory. 10 years back in Gujarat, the harvest that the farmer used to produce was done using the latest technology and now the output is double. We do what we say and we can open the way for the well being of all farmers.”

Those that want an overt Hindutva agenda and don't find Modi's silence appealing, they can always vote for Cong; SP; or some other regional party and get their just desserts with the Communal Violence Bill being passed --that should please them.

Modi has made clear that the government has no religion but the Constitution. If he frees Hindu temples and their funds from government control, allowing them to serve their communities with the same freedoms that churches and masjids have; stops foreign funds for religious purposes, period (hits the EJ crowd), then he will have done his job. Dharmic education can be left to indics and their institutions to carry out, with a level playing field there is no reason they won't thrive.

He laid out his vision of equality and justice for all, appeasement to none; and a Congress free Bharat. If people don't agree with that then they are free to vote for someone more to their liking.

[KJo]

When will we have a Hindutva version of America's FoxNews?

[Shanmukh]

I agree with those that say it was a trap that NM skillfully avoided.

Look at a possible sequence of events:
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Look - the missing part was empathy for the victims. That emotional ploy should have been played, without any remark about any community. He could have started by saying `Let us hold two minutes silence for the dead in recent riots'. His whole audience comprised of lakhs of Jats. They would have understood his words in context.

Then he could have said that he understood the pain of those who had been affected, and that his government would do everything to ensure the return of good law and order to the state.

What was missing was not any screeching rants about Hindutva. What was needed was a solid assurance that he acknowledged the pain of the dead and the wounded, and that people could depend on him for the return of law and order. None of this would have been remotely communal. But he missed that, and the Jats feel taken for granted.

[RajeshA]

Regarding Saffron base, the so called saffron base in India is 5% and leaders can always keep them happy and live in opposition and that option is there.

But without that saffron base of 5%, the other 35% are also not going to find their way to the polling booth.

I personally don't want NaMo to go dark-saffron. I don't want NaMo to make any comments which can be construed as anti-Muslim, but he needs to express sympathy with Hindus who have got the brunt of Jihad.

What language he uses is up to him!

[KJo]

MMS will not run, Rahul Gandhi cannot run for PM.
Who else is there from Congress?
Chidu?