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[AjayKK]

Throw stones, open shop and take a trip to Ajmer

Jammu and Kashmir plans to reform stone-throwers

Ishfaq-ul-Hassan / DNA
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 0:35 IST

Srinagar: Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) Police are all set to pamper the stone-throwers. The state police are actually devising a new policy to help misguided youth shun pelting stones and lead a normal life. The reform policy includes providing small shops to the youth and taking them on study tours.

DNA has accessed a letter written by director general of police (DGP) Kuldeep Khodato inspector general of police (Kashmir) Farooq Ahmad on January 25, asking him to identify stone-throwing dens in Srinagar, Anantnag and Baramulla so that unemployed youth of those areas could be provided kokas (small shops) to earn a living.

“A proposal for constructing kokas could be considered… deputy inspector generals and all district superintendents of police can be advised to prepare a blueprint of action… you may consider Baramulla and Anantnag towns and the old areas of Srinagar such as Boatman Colony, Bemina, Nowhatta and Dalgate that have been witnessing stone pelting by unemployed youth,” the DGP said in his letter.

What added zing to the reform process was an educational tour proposal for the misguided youth.

“The tour would be from Kashmir to Ajmer and each group from the respective district would be guided by a deputy superintendent of police. Each district may select 20 to 25 persons for the programme,” read the letter.

The Ajmer tour programme was originally scheduled for the third week of February but has been postponed, sources said.

Jammu Tawi , here i come...

[sum]

“A proposal for constructing kokas could be considered… deputy inspector generals and all district superintendents of police can be advised to prepare a blueprint of action… you may consider Baramulla and Anantnag towns and the old areas of Srinagar such as Boatman Colony, Bemina, Nowhatta and Dalgate that have been witnessing stone pelting by unemployed youth,” the DGP said in his letter.

Sound like Indian version of BENIS.

First the pensions for slain pigs, now this.

Moral of story is: Take up some non-issue and enusre maximum reach and the GoI will bend over to please you!!!

[Stan_Savljevic]

Hurriyat hawk Syed Geelani's yatra call angers shrine board
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_hu ... rd_1360695

[Airavat]

Inter district recruitment

Though Rural Development and Law & Parliamentary Affairs Minister Ali Mohammad Sagar told the Assembly today that no body in the House will like rights of SC/STs to be jeopardised, a bill to ban inter-district recruitment is being introduced, which will deprive Scheduled Castes (SCs) from Jammu region the right to apply for the reserved posts in 12 districts of Kashmir and Ladakh where the community has no population.

Lone BJP member Prof Chaman Lal Gupta has given a three page dissent note to the bill saying it will deprive SCs of their Constitutionally guaranteed 8 per cent reservation in jobs. NPP MLAs—Harshdev Singh and Yashpal Kundal and JSM leader Ashwani Sharma were on their feet saying rights of the SCs shouldn’t be jeopardised at any cost in the bill.

"I want to emphasise that we are not opposed to district wise recruitment but at the same time we do not want to be a party to passing of a bill which has been twice struck down by the Supreme Court", said BJP's Gupta. "The purpose of holding a recruitment examination is to select a suitable and best candidate out of the lot. Such a purpose can be achieved by making a common select list of successful candidates belonging to all districts of the State. The district wise selection would lead to devaluation of merit and the rule of equal chance for equal marks would be violated".

[Avinash R]

LoC trade money being used to finance LeT in J-K

[pran]

LoC trade money being used to finance LeT in J-K

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[Avinash R]

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LoC trade money being used to finance LeT in J-K

Posted: Sunday , Mar 21, 2010 at 1443 hrs
Jammu: Some people associated with cross-LoC trade are indulging in providing 'hawala' money to Lashkar-e-Toiba militants for terror activities in Kashmir Valley, police have claimed.

This came to light following the arrest of five people in a case in which Rs 13,85,000 obtained from sale of goods sent from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK)was allegedly distributed among terrorists and others associated with LeT outfit for terrorist activities in the Valley, they said.

"Some people linked with cross-LoC trade between Jammu and Kashmir and POK have been found indulging in providing hawala money and helping terrorists involved in anti-national activities and terrorism," said police officials.

On October 4, 2009, Police station Sadar in Srinagar received a docket to the effect that an active member of LeT Mushtaq Ahmed Lone of Budgam, with the help of his associates Pakistani militant commander Furqan and a local terrorist Mehmood Ahmad Dar of Kulgam-- who have been in PoK for last 18 years, are sending trade items and grains through a firm Sartaj Traders in Purkhoo area of Jammu city, they said.

The amount of Rs 13,85,000 obtained from selling these items was distributed among LeT terrorists and their associates to spread terrorist activities in valley, they said. A case was registered and five persons- Mushtaq Ahmed Lone (Budgam district), Vipin Kumar (Punjab), Suraj Parkash (owner of Sartaj Trader, Jammu), Sanjeev Tandon (Punjab) and Zahoor Ahmed Dar (Kulgam district)-- were arrested and investigation are on, they said.

The trade is being monitored by security agencies, who have also recovered SIM cards from the possession of some truck drivers as well as travellers at Chakan-da-Bagh crossing point in Poonch during frisking and checking. These have been sent to Zonal Police Headquarters for further investigations.

Goods worth Rs 272.13 crore have traded via two LoC cross points of Salamabad and Chakan-da-Bagh in Baramulla and Poonch districts of Jammu and Kashmir since October 21, 2008 when the cross border trade between J&K and PoK was started.

While, goods were Rs 160.21 crore were brought from PoK, those worth Rs 111.92 crore were sent from J&K during the period, they said.

[A_Gupta]

A.G Noorani on Article 370
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/2 ... 608500.htm
J&K's special status is due to Sardar Patel, we are told in the first two paragraphs.
Begins thus:

“THIS arrangement [under Article 370] has not been arrived at now but as early as 1949 when you happened to be a part of the government,” Sheikh Abdullah reminded Shyama Prasad Mookerjee on February 4, 1953. He added in another letter of February 18: “May I point out that the special position that our State enjoys at present has been the result of the farsightedness and statesmanship of the late Sardar [Patel]. He was in fact instrumental in evolving the present basis of the State’s relationship with the Union. Article 370 was incorporated into the Constitution under his guidance and at that time Shri Nehru was away from India.” Nehru was in the United States.

Mookerjee had neither the courage nor the integrity to resign from the Union Cabinet when it sponsored the draft Article 370 of the Constitution (Article 306-A) in the Constituent Assembly and secured its adoption on October 17, 1949. Unlike the other provisions of the Constitution, Article 370 was a product of negotiations between the Union and the Kashmir government headed by the Sheikh. They had begun at Sardar Patel’s residence in New Delhi as far back as on May 15 and 16, 1949. Kashmir is the only State in the Union to have negotiated the terms of its membership of the Union (vide the writer’s article, Frontline, September 29, 2000; reprinted in the compilation Constitutional Questions and Citizens’ Rights; Oxford University Press; pages 371-384).

[Airavat]

^^^
both the author and the source are dubious. Noorani is a cunning little rascal who came out with an audacious claim during the 2008 Amarnath agitation that Jammu's muslim population fell rapidly after Independence. He made a failed attempt to portray the Dogra people as communal; since the Muslim areas of Jammu had actually been lost during the Pakistani invasion of J&K State.

And in fact it was the Hindu and Sikh population that was butchered and driven away from western Jammu by the invaders. Their descendants are yet to get justice from the Kashmir-based administration foisted on J&K by Nehru.

[JE Menon]

yes he is a snake in the grass

[Airavat]

General Zorawar Singh memorial day

The Governor said that debates, symposia, essay contests and similar programmes should be organized by the Committee to foster awareness among the students on the life and achievements of General Zorawar Singh. He assured that Shri Mata Vaishno Devi Shrine Board would extend all required support to the Committee for organizing such activities.



The Governor gave away cash awards to the best adjudged students who had participated in a symposium on the life of General Zorawar Singh organized at Reasi jointly by the Shrine Board and the Committee.

Earlier, the Governor visited Bhimgarh Fort and inspected the pace of the ongoing renovation work. He asked the CEO of the Board to work out the feasibility of rainwater harvesting and for tapping solar energy for lighting and illumination purposes in the Fort. The Governor also paid floral tribute to General Zorawar Singh by garlanding his statue. The president of the Committee, Capt. (Retd) Baldev Singh was among those who also spoke on the occasion.

[Airavat]

People want army camp for protection against terrorists

Residents of Gadbad village in Lolab valley of Kupwara district in North Kashmir petitioned senior officers including Commander 8 Sector Rashtriya Rifles to reconsider the decision to relocate the camp.

"We do not want the Army to shift its camp from here. They have protected us from militants and their excesses. We do not want the dark days to return. If required, we will approach the highest possible authority including in Delhi", said 75-year-old Ghulam Ahmad Sheikh. Sheikh's two daughters were killed by militants in late 1990s.

[wig]

for reasons that i fail to fathom these apparently state sponsored non state actors are being sent back home.
the article is an an interesting piece of information


http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/
JAMMU, Mar 24: Even as India refused to resume Composite Dialogue (CD) with Pakistan holding only Foreign Secretary level talks, the Government has directed for release of 28 Pakistani militants, infiltrators and border crossers arrested in the State during past several years.

Surprisingly, the militants approved for release include a hardcore ultra involved in Jammu’s most deadliest strike at MA Stadium on January 26, 1995 in which the then Governor Gen K V Krishna Rao had a miraculous escape while more than a dozen persons were killed and scores others were injured.

Out of 28 militants set to come out of the jails, 10 were under-trials and cases were pending against them in different courts. The MA Stadium blast accused is among the under-trials. Rest were undergoing conviction after being sentenced by the courts while none of them has completed his sentence so far.

However, a 21 year old girl Asiya of Bimber Mirpur, PoK, who had inadvertently crossed into this side from Sunderbani sector of Rajouri district and has been lodged in District Jail Rajouri, undergoing conviction of one year RI, is also set for release.

Official sources told the Excelsior that consular access of the militants has been fixed at Central Jail, Amritsar tomorrow. The militants were today taken out of the different jails of Jammu and Srinagar and driven to Amritsar.

Pakistan officials from External Affairs Ministry will cross over to this side from Wagah border in Amritsar district of Punjab tomorrow morning and hold consular access of militants (to confirm identity of their nationals before repatriation).

Sources said all those militants, who are confirmed as their citizens by Pakistani officials, are released after consular access on a day decided by External Affairs Ministries of the two countries. The militants would be repatriated from Wagah border in Amritsar district.

Consular access of 29 Pakistan militants had already been completed in Amritsar few months back, sources said, adding that all 57 ultras were expected to be repatriated to Pakistan after that country’s Foreign Ministry confirmed their nationality.

However, no gesture was expected from Pakistan in lieu of release of 57 militants, infiltrators and illegal border crossers. In exchange of consular access of 57 Pakistani nationals, a similar process has not been initiated even for a single Indian citizen, a number of whom were lodged in different Pakistani jails after they had crossed over to other side inadvertently.

Ghulam Nabi alias Nikka son of Fazal Din, a resident of Putwal, Sialkote in Pakistan was involved in MA Stadium serial blasts during Republic Day celebrations on January 26, 1995 in which the then Governor Gen K V Krishna Rao had a narrow escape while over a dozen persons were killed and scores injured. A number of IEDs had been planted under the stage by the militants from where Gen Rao was addressing Republic Day parade which went off during the function.

Major Irfan, a top Hizbul Mujahideen commander, arrested by police after the blasts for masterminding the terror strike, had already escaped from Kot Bhalwal jail along with two other accused.

Nikka was booked under Section 3/4 TADA Act, 2/3 Egress and Internal Movement Control Ordinance (E&IMCO) and 7/25 Arms Act. Presently lodged in Kot Bhalwal police station, Nikka was an under-trial and his case was sub-judice.

Out of 28 militants, infiltrators and illegal border crossers, whose release has been cleared by the Centre Government, 14 were lodged in District Jail, Jammu, nine in Central Jail, Kot Bhalwal, two in Sub Jail, Hiranagar and one each in Central Jail Srinagar, District Jail Poonch and District Jail, Rajouri.

Mohammad Farooq Sheikh (code name Abu Shamsher) son of Mohammad Muneer R/o Lalpora Naibadi, Sialkote is another top militant and an accused of killings and his case is still sub-judice (under-trial). He had been booked under Section 2/3 E&IMCO, 302, 307 and 120-B RPC, 7/25 Arms Act, 4/2 ESA, 147, 148, 149 RPC and 3 Public Property Damage Act.

Other Pakistani nationals, whose cases are under-trial in different courts here but who have been recommended for consular access (a pre-condition before release) include Mohammad Ashraf son of Anaayat R/o Pasroor, Sialkote, Allah Ditta son of Mohammad Sharief R/o Malokey, Narowal, Mohammad Asif son of Fazal Hussain R/o Gujarat, Punjab, Pappa Hussain of Panchan Nagyal, Kotli, PoK, Pialaz Bhill son of Juman Bhill R/o Sindh, Lalya Khan son of Shareen Khan R/o Naili, Lahori Market, Khalid Parvez alias Mohammad Javed son of Mohammad Ali R/o Shakergarh, Narowal and Saqib Aziz Malik alias Abu Said son of Abdul Aziz Malik R/o Muzaffargarh, Punjab.

Other Pakistan nationals, who will undergo consular access tomorrow, are under going conviction of a different period. They include Mohammad Imran son of Baba Saleem R/o Faisalabad, Hyder Ali son of Munir Ali R/o Saddar Bazaar, Karachi, Naseebullah son of Mohammad Idrees R/o Gujranwalla, Mohammad Zaffar Iqbal son of Mohammad Latief R/o Sialkote, Mohammad Aijaz son of Mohammad Akbar R/o Gopalpora, Sialkote, Imran Jamsheed Sheikh son of Jamsheed Sheikh R/o Sialkote.

Mohammad Abid Hussain son of Mohammad Sadiq R/o Pindi Purbi, Narowal, Mohammad Tariq son of Mohammad Sharief R/o Pakistan, Mohammad Shahzad son of Haq Nawaz R/o Bhawalpur, Ali Akbar son of Anwar R/o Faisalabad, Sikander Khan son of Abdul Majid R/o Narowal, Punjab, Niyamat Ali son of Mohammad Din Jullah R/o Lahore, Asiya daughter of Abid Malik and wife of Sajjad Malik R/o Bimber, Mirpur, Nazim Sahil alias Nazim son of Ashiq Sahil R/o Muzaffargarh, Showkat Ali son of Barkat Hussain R/o Pasroor, Manzoor Hussain son of Fateh Mir R/o Punjab, Ashiq Ali son of Warand Ali R/o Baluchistan and Imran Massih son of Samson Massi R/o Sialkote.

[Stan_Savljevic]

Confusion surrounds number of disappearances in Kashmir
http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/25/stories ... 201000.htm

Varying figures from the government has been its hallmark as far as its approach to this matter is concerned. These figures are not only disturbing but also put a question mark on the government's approach in dealing with this issue.

[sum]

JAMMU, Mar 24: Even as India refused to resume Composite Dialogue (CD) with Pakistan holding only Foreign Secretary level talks, the Government has directed for release of 28 Pakistani militants, infiltrators and border crossers arrested in the State during past several years.

Surprisingly, the militants approved for release include a hardcore ultra involved in Jammu’s most deadliest strike at MA Stadium on January 26, 1995 in which the then Governor Gen K V Krishna Rao had a miraculous escape while more than a dozen persons were killed and scores others were injured.

Out of 28 militants set to come out of the jails, 10 were under-trials and cases were pending against them in different courts. The MA Stadium blast accused is among the under-trials. Rest were undergoing conviction after being sentenced by the courts while none of them has completed his sentence so far.

Have many of these scum been turned? Cant imagine why else GoI would want to release so many hardcore pigs?

[Stan_Savljevic]

Exiled, Pandits build new valley in Delhi
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... 16341.aspx

[brihaspati]

Maybe GOI is moving towards "autonomy". Unconditional release of terrorists and infiltrators can be part of a gradual move towards some "historical declaration" of autonomy to J&K with confirmation of all special privileges and exclusive rights to Islamists and a permanent removal of the non-Muslims from the Valley. The eastern part and Jammu will perhaps be retained within a regular non-autonomy format.

I can also see an increased frequency of clamour for foisting a Northern Ireland GFD type agreement. Autonomy could be part of that package. But GOI has to proceed very very cautiously for fear of political fallouts. So not many noises will come out from the GOI side or from the dynasty. This is a sign that they are unsure of political impact and would like to keep the main centre of political focus - the dynasty - untainted for future reuse.

[Gerard]

Cashmere Fantasies and American Onanism
India halts Kashmir troop withdrawal

Since 1947, no fewer than 46 peace proposals regarding Kashmir have been made and many have involved the U.S. These days, the U.S. would like the controversy settled so Pakistan can concentrate its efforts on its western border region with Afghanistan, where Taliban forces for years have regrouped and planned attacks on NATO forces.

"The U.S. role in the Kashmir conflict has to be as subliminal as possible," said Thomas Pickering, a former U.S. ambassador to India. Despite speculation that U.S. President Barack Obama considered sending former president Bill Clinton as a special envoy on Kashmir, Pickering said appointing a U.S. mediator wouldn't work.

India, he said, "has special genes to resist `made by the U.S.' solutions." Then-Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf was close to reaching a deal with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh before being ousted.

"Singh is probably kicking himself for not having taken a deal with Musharraf," said Bruce Reidel, a former U.S. Central Intelligence Agency agent who led Obama's review of the administration's Afghanistan and Pakistan strategy.

[ramana]

If the deal was so good it would still be pursued. And withdrawing troops from J&K was a trial to see how TSP and US behave. After the Af-Pak->Pak-Af it makes no sense to withdraw more troops

Hope US experts understand and dont put up strawmen.

[A Sharma]

Protests against moving Rastriya Rifles

[CRamS]

Cashmere Fantasies and American Onanism
India halts Kashmir troop withdrawal

"India wants to emerge in the 21st century as a leading state, but that cannot happen if it's next to a failed state or a state run by jihadists, with the world's fastest growing nuclear arsenal to boot."

And the answer to this, in US view, is that India must give in to the Jihadi enterprise called TSP.

[svinayak]

"India wants to emerge in the 21st century as a leading state, but that cannot happen if it's next to a failed state or a state run by jihadists, with the world's fastest growing nuclear arsenal to boot."

And the answer to this, in US view, is that India must give in to the Jihadi enterprise called TSP.

With US helping the failed state to become more failed state and increase its nuke and arsenal.

[rohitvats]

If the deal was so good it would still be pursued. And withdrawing troops from J&K was a trial to see how TSP and US behave. After the Af-Pak->Pak-Af it makes no sense to withdraw more troops

Hope US experts understand and dont put up strawmen.

As it is, one of the formation withdrawn, 39 Mountain Division, is sitting pretty close to J&K and can always be moved back at short notice. Another important thing to understand is that IA never withdraws the troops inherent to the Kashmir Sector- wether the troops along LOC/IB or ones dedicated to CI Ops - the Delta/Kilo/Victor/Romeo Force of RR. 39 and 27 Mountain Divisions were both external to the sector.

[RamaY]

"India wants to emerge in the 21st century as a leading state, but that cannot happen if it's next to a failed state or a state run by jihadists, with the world's fastest growing nuclear arsenal to boot."

And the answer to this, in US view, is that India must give in to the Jihadi enterprise called TSP.

India giving in to the TSP Jihadi enterprise will not solve the problem. In fact it will grow into even a bigger problem for sub-continent and the whole world.

The real solution for India and the world is to erase that Jihadi enterprise along with its ideological base. This is something India must do for its own well-being, irrespective of world opinion.

Sometimes that patient (in this case the USA) doesn't know what is bad and what is good for him.

[Ameet]

Tourists flock to 'Jesus's tomb' in Kashmir

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/f ... 587838.stm

A belief that Jesus survived the crucifixion and spent his remaining years in Kashmir has led to a run-down shrine in Srinagar making it firmly onto the must-visit-in India tourist trail.

The reason? Well, according to an eclectic combination of New Age Christians, unorthodox Muslims and fans of the Da Vinci Code, the grave contains the mortal remains of a candidate for the most important visitor of all time to India.

Officially, the tomb is the burial site of Youza Asaph, a medieval Muslim preacher - but a growing number of people believe that it is in fact the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth.

They believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion almost 2,000 Easters ago, and went to live out his days in Kashmir.

"It's a story spread by local shopkeepers, just because some crazy professor said it was Jesus's tomb. They thought it would be good for business. Tourists would come, after all these years of violence.

"And then it got into the Lonely Planet, and too many people started coming."

[niran]

Militants killed in J-K encounter identified as Pakistani nationals

The militants killed in the encounter with the security forces in Jammu and Kashmir's Rajouri district have been identified as Pakistani nationals.

The security personnel have also recovered a diary that disclosed their identity as Abu Zarar, Abu Abdullah, Abu Shoaib and Abu Osama.

[Gerard]

link

At Jihadist Organizations Conference in Pakistani Kashmir, Lashkar-e-Taiba Commander Abdul Wahid Kashmiri Surfaces for First Time in a Decade, Vows Jihad Against India, Declares: 'Mujahideen Fighting the Occupation Forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and Kashmir are Fully Justified'

[rkirankr]

Centre indulging in secret diplomacy in JK:RSS

[sum]

JK: 6 LeT militants killed in encounter

Six Lashkar-e-Taiba militants of Pakistani origin, who escaped from Triyath forest after a brief encounter three days ago, were killed by security forces after they tracked them down in Rajouri district of Jammu and Kashmir [ Images ] on Thursday.

Police and security forces tracked down the group of militants in Talli Dharaman-Sarothi belt (Triyath) of Kalakote tehsil of Rajouri district and trapped them around 1430 hours.

Senior Superintendent of Police, Rajouri, Shafkat Watalie told PTI, giving details of anti-terrorist 'Operation Khoj'.
The joint operation party retaliated after militants fired on them, SSP said, adding that in the fierce gunbattle that ensued for three-and-a-half hours, six militants were killed.

A search team of Police led by Additional Superintendent of Police R K Bhat and assisted by Army, Special Operation Group (SoG) and CRPF tracked down the militants who had escaped from Triyath forest on March 30 following a brief encounter with the security personnel.

A jawan had been killed and Station House Officer (SHO) of Daramshal Police Station Inspector Showkat Ali was injured in that incident.

Wow, the pigs are being ruthlessly hunted down even in the jungles.

Have only one Q here:

In an interview two days back, GOC of that sector had mentioned that a set of 24 turds had crossed over. 12 were eliminated 3-4 days back at the LoC itself ( was heavily reported). He mentioned the rest had scampered back to TSP and he had reports that 2-3 had died of wounds. How is that this report mentions the 6 terrorists having escaped that encounter ( when they were supposed to have gone back)?

Are these 6 other guys or was the GOC just bluffing to the DDM to ensure operational secrecy?

[Neshant]

JK: 6 LeT militants killed in encounter

Close encounters of the 3rd kind

[Altair]

Centre indulging in secret diplomacy in JK:RSS

Is this a April 1 joke or Is it serious?
If its serious why is there no discussion?

[Gerard]

Kashmir railway blown up by separatists, police say

Separatist militants have blown up a section of railway track in Indian-administered Kashmir, the police say.

No trains were running when the militants detonated an improvised explosive device on the tracks near Pulwama. There were no casualties

[Prem Kumar]

X-posting

Guns fall silent after 7-day battle in Rajouri ends

If my math is correct - from March 23 onwards, the pig jannat count is as follows:

Rajouri: 16
Kupwara: 8
Kishtwar: 2

Total: 26 pigs eliminated in the last 10 days. 6 brave jawans lost - RIP.

Major, major success!!

[sudeepj]

Its definitely a major success that these terrorists were hunted down relentlessly, but we lost a lot more men than we should have.. :-(

Not sure what we can do as ordinary citizens..

[Anindya]

Its definitely a major success that these terrorists were hunted down relentlessly, but we lost a lot more men than we should have.. :-( Not sure what we can do as ordinary citizens..

Times of India insists that this will go away if we all tie together cute hankies and put together a peace chain...
The Peace Chain - Bridge the borders of Mind

[CRamS]

Its definitely a major success that these terrorists were hunted down relentlessly, but we lost a lot more men than we should have.. :-(

Not sure what we can do as ordinary citizens..

Indeed, and the net result is TSP RAPE wins. Why? Because they guys dying on their side are yahoos willing wanting to go to their 72, and they have 1000s and 1000s of them, Kashmiri Muslims included, while the jawans on our side are not sure what they are fighting for. They'd rather ne home with their families.

[shiv]

while the jawans on our side are not sure what they are fighting for. They'd rather ne home with their families.

This is a good propaganda line for Pakistan. Our men are hardly confused. The men who are fighting are just as fired up as we are - but they go that extra step (walk that extra mile?) and join and serve in the forces. It is we who actually stay at home. So it is grossly unkind to accuse those serving men as suffering from the faults that we have (pining for momma and home) while imagining that they do not feel the patriotic zeal that we feel. They do, more than we show, and work for it on the frontline.

You are a superb communicator - but please pause and think what you say. Sometimes you score a self goal.

[sudeepj]

Its definitely a major success that these terrorists were hunted down relentlessly, but we lost a lot more men than we should have.. :-(

Not sure what we can do as ordinary citizens..

Indeed, and the net result is TSP RAPE wins. Why? Because they guys dying on their side are yahoos willing wanting to go to their 72, and they have 1000s and 1000s of them, Kashmiri Muslims included, while the jawans on our side are not sure what they are fighting for. They'd rather ne home with their families.

Pakistan and other Islamist communities have an excess of misogynist, islamist, xenophobic cannon-fodder.. The only thing we can do is to make sure we grant them their 72. The only thing I dont understand is, why do we have to loose so many of our own in this.. And what we can do as ordinary citizens to make sure we loose less of our own.

Another question arises, is there a qualitative improvement in the training of the nuts being sent across? Better equipment?

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I disagree with the statement that our Jawans are not sure what they are fighting for. There will always be doubts and re-examinations of what we are doing, but that is a hallmark of an open society, something that will never happen in a place like Pakistan. This does not mean the strength of our convictions is any less.

[Airavat]

The only thing I dont understand is, why do we have to loose so many of our own in this.. And what we can do as ordinary citizens to make sure we loose less of our own.

Join the discussion in the CT and COIN thread on the Military Issues forum.

[sum]

Its definitely a major success that these terrorists were hunted down relentlessly, but we lost a lot more men than we should have.. :-( Not sure what we can do as ordinary citizens..

Times of India insists that this will go away if we all tie together cute hankies and put together a peace chain...
The Peace Chain - Bridge the borders of Mind

The tie-a-hanky thing seems to be straight out of a BENIS thread. Am assuming that the ToI folks realize how dumb they look with these kind of non-sense campaigns.