Telangana Monitor

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Jun 2010 21:03

I think now Jagan factor alsoplays a major role in giving or not giving telangana. INC seems to be waiting for Jagan to make some serious mistake

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jun 2010 21:18

From Pioneer, 4 June 2010

Congress’s Deccan headache worsens

Kalyani Shankar

With the Telangana issue refusing to go away and now Jaganmohan defying the high command, the party is seen struggling to find someone to fill YSR’s shoes

Is the Congress’s grip on Andhra Pradesh loosening? Signals emanating from the State indicate all is not in perfect order. The recent visit of the actor-turned-politician and Praja Rajyam Party president Chiranjeevi to the capital and his meeting with the Congress president, Ms Sonia Gandhi, indicates a change of strategy.

Why is the State moving towards political instability so soon? There could be several reasons but the most important is the leadership crisis in the State Congress as also mishandling of matters by the Congress-led Government at the Centre.

Political crisis continues to brew in the State after the tragic helicopter crash of former Chief Minister YS Rajasekhara Reddy last September. Now his son YS Jaganmohan Reddy, MP from Kadapa, has defied the party high command over his Telangana tour amid rumours that he may float his own outfit.

The first cause of instability may be the demise of YSR. YSR had an iron grip on the State as well as his party. He divided the Opposition and won the State Assembly election again in 2009 against all odds and contributed a stunning 33-seat haul to the Congress kitty in the Lok Sabha. With no No. 2, his novice son Mr Jaganmohan claimed his legacy but the Congress could not allow him in the place of his father.

The second is the choice of Mr K Rosaiah as Chief Minister. After opting out of the electoral race to become a Member of Legislative Council, Mr Rosaiah was perhaps the biggest gainer after the death of YSR. Chosen as a stopgap Chief Minister, Mr Rosaiah was expected to perform well but he has failed miserably. Mr Jaganmohan and his supporters troubled him enough not to mention the sudden flare-up of the Telangana issue.

Mr Rosaiah also had to deal with the worst-ever floods in decades soon after he took over. Faced with a rebellious Cabinet consisting of Mr Jaganmohan’s supporters as well as divided by the Telangana issue, he is perceived to be a weak Chief Minister who runs to the Centre for every little matter.

Third, the Centre did not handle the Telangana issue properly and resurrected the almost defunct TRS and its ailing chief Chandrasekhar Rao. Rajasekhara Reddy made sure that the Opposition was divided and would have finished the TRS. The setting up of the Srikrishna Commission as an afterthought may or may not help resolve the Telangana issue. Meanwhile, Mr Rosaiah has proved to be quite inadequate in handling the law and order situation.

Fourth, the AICC is now attempting a political realignment in the State by wooing the Praja Rajyam chief, Chiranjeevi. Popularly known as ‘Chiru’ among his fans, he also needs the Congress and has agreed to support the fourth Congress candidate in the ensuing Rajya Sabha elections. The Congress had five retiring members but at present even the fourth seat is difficult to win. Chiranjeevi’s meeting with Ms Gandhi has raised the hopes of the local Congress for a better understanding with the PRP. The Congress would like the PRP to merge with it and Chiranjeevi, in turn, could be projected as a charismatic Congress leader. Since elections are four years away, there is no urgency. Moreover, Mr Jaganmohan’s strident attempts to continue his yatra defying the Congress diktat has created a situation that the party is prepared to part company with him and his supporters. Mr Jaganmohan is said to enjoy the support of about 18 MLAs. The Rosaiah Government would now have to depend upon MIM’s seven legislators with the PRP as a cushion.

Fifth, had YSR been alive, he would not have allowed the resurrection of the TRS, a party that lost miserably in the 2009 elections. He would have persuaded the Centre not to yield to its pressure. He would have also broken PRP.

Andhra Pradesh has been a Congress citadel for decades. Chiranjeevi’s dreams of doing an NTR did not materialise. Insiders point out that had NTR been given a Rajya Sabha ticket, he would not have formed the Telugu Desam Party. Under changed circumstances, the same Congress now wishes Chirajeevi merge the PRP with the party.

The TDP has begun to speak of a mid-term poll. The Opposition remains divided and evolving a merger strategy wherever possible is an option. Earlier, there was also talk of the TRS merging with the Congress if a separate Telangana was agreed upon. The Congress has to tread carefully as the issue has not disappeared.

Lot of flux.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 05 Jun 2010 02:27

Wrong trend in Rajyasabha candidates selection from both TDP and Congress. Instead of picking as AP candidates, they are doing equal-equal between Telengana and Seema-Andhra. TDP picked a Telengana BC candidate because the other one is Andhra person, bypassing Y Ramakrishnudu, who was BC and expected to get RS seat but didn't. Congress did equal-equal 1 Andhra person (ex CM N Janardhan Reddy) and 1 Telangana person (V Hanumanth Rao), 2 others are non-AP people for total 4 seats.

Congress is trying to satisfy T congressmen by being tough with Jagan - give and take approach till mid-term polls are over.
Jagan coming out of Congress will be death blow to TRS in mid-term elections (Congress can sell to T-people that they kicked out Seema-Andhra guy, vote for them, there is a chance of T)

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Jun 2010 07:10

ShyamSP wrote: Congress is trying to satisfy T congressmen by being tough with Jagan - give and take approach till mid-term polls are over.Jagan coming out of Congress will be death blow to TRS in mid-term elections (Congress can sell to T-people that they kicked out Seema-Andhra guy, vote for them, there is a chance of T)

ShyamSP garu,
It is again interesting times in AP but I do not foresee any major changes. There is no relationship to Telangana thingy in this round except that the parties are sensitive to give equal representation to Telanagana in whatever they do.

I do not foresee Jagan coming out of INC. Even per latest news he is trying through a middle ground to patchup with Rosaiah. Historically also, YSR family or YSR himself never ever tried to be someone out of INC. During both Indira and Rajiv's times, YSR was used for a purpose and that is muscle man, bring crowds, create violence when needed. YSR was the women supplier to Sanjay Gandhi during emergency times. He was never ever even considered for central ministry or hardly even a minister in AP and forget the CMship. If you see the time period of PVNR, YSR actually absued the then CM K.Vijaya Bhaskar Reddy with such a foul language which made him to submit resignation. PVNR had given a geeta sandesh and asked him to continue and not to budge. The INC leadership until madam tookover though was corrupt and etc..etc.. had some limited vision towards nation and they never tried to cross certain limits.

Madam is madam and she has to be different. Then AP entered rougue phase of YSR and cronies to rule the state. Jagan taking over from YSR is a massive blunder even madam cannot afford as she will lose the establishment of congress. There are several leaders who are stuck to INC just like family members and who actually run the affairs.

[Unless I am not reading some fundamental changes in the AP-INC affairs] Following strictly in the footsteps of his father, Jagan will just damage it being inside by means of communal riots in HYD (which he already tried once), cross voting during RS elections and also MLC elections. From his point of view, if he is not CM there is no need for INC to be in power. His team of MLAs will ensure that much for him no matter what. The majority is on a meagre level and hence they bought Chiranjeevi. Chiru is being hedged as next CM thru INC which will not work at all. A non-Reddy forward caste leader in INC will be impossible (Rosiah is a temp whether we like it or not) to survive unless there is a state that does not consist both Rayalaseema and Telangana.

I am still not convinced that Chiru will eventually merge with INC. Chiru may be believing based on his sources that Telangana will form and in that case in Andhra politics Kapus will be formidable.

If you see the national politics and regional leaders -every single party and its leaders are with INC in one form or other except TDP and they see it as the only threat in the long run. In their view they have the advantage now to completely remove them from the scene. (1) Create Telangana (2) Create Kapu leadership in coastal region. Importantly they created a pile of mess and they are the only capable force there to pick one or two threads from the mess to win again.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Jun 2010 20:55

Muppala garu,

What is your take on KCR's premature-ejac w.r.t his alliance with NDA after 2009 elections? How would this impact INC's decision on separate T-state?

If YSJ can be tamed by Adhistan how much pressure the T-congiwallahs can put on Rajmata?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 07 Jun 2010 00:51

what kcr did damaged him with UPA comming to power. He also lost heavyly with cbn who want to have a 3rd front rule. I think congress has all the options open as of now and wait for the alibi of SK report.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Jun 2010 06:15

Chiru is getting close to INC in AP. I wonder how this pans out given his "Samaikyandhra" slogan and fight for Polavaram project. My prediction -

> YSJ is forced out of AP and Rosiah's govt will continue till 2014 elections.
> Telangana state will be announced just before elections.
> PRP merges with INC and will focus in Kostandhra region
> TRS merges with INC and will focus in Telangana region

This would ensure that INC will gain majority parliamentary seats for INC in 2014 elections.

Since TDP cannot form a open alliance with BJP in Telangana they will split the telangana votes. EVM can be used to enforce this public support for Telangana especially for the combination of TRS (one who fought for it) and INC (one who gave it).

In Kosta Andhra Chiranjeevi will gain the key votes especially due to his Polavaram project in Costal andhra. Purandhareswari, Dhaggubati, Rajagopal etc will ensure that Kamma votes are split between TDP and INC.

This may force TDP to bring Balakrisha into open in Kosta region. Can it save the party?

What do you guys say?

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 10 Jun 2010 07:34

If Chiranjeevi merges with INC, Jagan is sidelined and Congress announces separate T, TDP will crush Congress in Seemandhra region. Unless the instant anger triggered in Seemandhra region after Dec 9 announcement is all stage managed (and I don't think so), TDP will take advantage of this.

All these days, Congress didn't announce separate T not because of their love for telugu unity or hate for Telanagna. They were afraid that for a gain of 17 Mp seats in T, they lose 25 seats in seemandhra. This equation didn't change. In fact it is worsened now with discredited Chiranjeevei and disgruntled Jagan. If CBN decides to dump T and go for kill in seemandhra, Congress is finished in Andhra. The chances of separate T became even more remote with the latest development.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Jun 2010 08:00

Dasari garu,

Loksatta can be used as sport-spoiler in seemandhra region. INC might be able to win at least 5-10 MPs in Seemandhra no? I took in to consideration the possible impact of the hidden hand

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jun 2010 08:16

What if YSJ joins BJP?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 10 Jun 2010 08:36

RamaY wrote:Muppala garu,

What is your take on KCR's premature-ejac w.r.t his alliance with NDA after 2009 elections? How would this impact INC's decision on separate T-state?

If YSJ can be tamed by Adhistan how much pressure the T-congiwallahs can put on Rajmata?

After reading the recent histrionics of various regional satraps, I am firm in my belief that T is brought out by INC as a master strategy for just one purpose. To destroy TDP and nothing else. It is just coincidental that many others' interests also coincided.

Mulayam, Laloo, Bal & Raj Thackeray are all now fringes with pockets of influence. They can never ever win on their own anymore. This is known to them and also INC and BJP. KCR also belongs to similar groups. All they are doing is hafta collections via blackmail. If they do too much noise CBI is there. See their behavior during the recent parliament. Thackerays are also in the same ring and it just that their pocket of influence is little more than those others but they are in different league than others. All these leaders do anything (literally anything) if you pay them. INC uses money and CBI to control them.

Only place where the regional parties are not either in INC's or BJP's( very few with not too much influence/power) hand are (1) Orissa (Naveen is manageable so no issue) and (2) AP - TDP which is a real party on its own and no one has any say or influence on it.

I am hoping Mamta will eventually become one.

Read very very early articles when Sonia apparently told Kavuri Sambasiva Rao exactly same. She said " it is in the best interests of party". Also read the statement of Rayapati Sambasiva Rao's that "Sonia cheated us". If you read that and the party's behavior after it backfired inside the party, you will also get to same conclusion as above. In summary for me the T-operation is "Operation destroy TDP forever".

Do not read too much into KCR hob-nobbing with BJP as he can with anyone. He will collect hafta but he will do all in his power to keep T boiling as long as possible. India's west ministerial system has degraded to blackmail-operationCBI-hafta collection system.

Again the million dolloar question - Will T form or not? It is in the hands of the events-and-situations of the time. There will always be support in various pocket of India for similar demands and political exploitation of emotions it at its peak these days. If TDP is checkmated in Telangana and events are driven towards T-as-good for INC then no one can stop Telangana.

Whatever happens to T -The real mess will be in Rayalaseema and INC's hands will be full to handle that. Jai-Ho-Jagan

RamaY wrote:In Kosta Andhra Chiranjeevi will gain the key votes especially due to his Polavaram project in Costal andhra. Purandhareswari, Dhaggubati, Rajagopal etc will ensure that Kamma votes are split between TDP and INC.

This may force TDP to bring Balakrisha into open in Kosta region. Can it save the party?

What do you guys say?

I will not read that way. TDP's win is not dependent on Kammas voting en block in coastal areas. It is because of their strong vote base in BCs + a majority of Kammas. Beyond Krishna, Guntur and W.Godavari Kammas are not really a numerical-factor in coastal districts. Chiru as a kapu leader will end once he gets into INC. Kapus are ambitious of creating something like TDP so that they can have Kapu CM with others supporting their leadership and Chiru showed them that hope. If Chiru is not a CM then their enthusiasm ends there. Congress will not be in a position to project Chiru as CM. In my opinion this is actually an advantage to TDP as they can actually get back Kapu caste leaders ( good leaders are returning back to TDP). The Kamma leaders inside INC are not a gaurantee this time for getting votes towards INC. To me if Chiru moves towards INC that will actually put TDP at a serious advantage.

TDP should project a Telangana leader as next CM of AP (irrespective of T decision) and convince the seemandrhra folks especially kammas about the importance of such a move. If CBN can step-up then that will be the real master stroke and I don't know how this idea will go down the TDP cadre's pulse.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 10 Jun 2010 08:40

ramana garu,

YSJ will not join BJP unless BJP firmly gives up seperate-Telangana issue. The real opposition to Telangana formation is in Rayalseema and not in coastal region. For YSJ he will be forced to join any Seema based agitation in future regarding the structure of AP and everything will be to the dislike of Telangana. BJP thinks it has a ray of opportunity only in Telangana.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Jun 2010 08:43

What if YSJ joins BJP and demands seema unification with KTKA? There is a strong Telugu lobby in Bellary region.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jun 2010 09:50

Muppalagaru, YSJ and his supporters need a national platform for they wish to control India thru AP. If they are not in INC they will be with another national formation. Of the regional players they have national aspirations.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Jun 2010 18:58

What is YSJ's long-term vision? How does it fit into BJP's long-term vision? How will YSJ's EJ-backbone view this development?

In a hypothetical scenario where YSJ joins BJP; will the dog wag the tail or tail wag the dog? Is it the realignment that FP (or some western policy magazine) projected in its article does India need a nationalistic BJP or something like that?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2010 01:04

Look who was talking!!!!

Congress sniffs Pawar effect on Jagan

New Delhi, June 9: The Congress and Sharad Pawar have often been uneasy allies, and the distrust seems to have deepened.

Many in the Congress have gained an impression that Pawar tried to fuel Jaganmohan Reddy’s discontent and perhaps tried to lure him into joining the Nationalist Congress Party (NCP).

Congress sources say Pawar has been in regular touch with Jagan, whose later father, former Andhra Pradesh chief minister Y.S. Rajashekhar Reddy, was believed to be close to the Maharashtra leader.

The Congress had succeeded in containing the revolt-like situation in Andhra following YSR’s death when the majority of MLAs wanted Jagan to be made chief minister. But the fresh eruption of Jagan’s dissent has surprised the party.

Many are convinced that the impatient young scion is prepared to look beyond the confines of his father’s party. “We know Jagan has been exploring possibilities and has been in touch with Pawar,” a Congress leader said.

“Pawar has played this game in the past too. He gave a platform to Congress rebels like K. Karunakaran in Kerala and V.C. Shukla in Chhattisgarh. But Jagan has not yet left the party and instigating him to defect would hurt the Congress immensely.”

Leaders from Andhra, however, feel Jagan needs no instigation and has himself shown a tendency to treat party discipline with disdain. They said Jagan’s decision to go ahead with his yatra was in complete defiance of the high command’s directives, and even now his demand for permission by July 8 smacked of blackmail.

Jagan had started his yatra in Telangana on May 28, bringing violence to the troubled region. The rallies were ostensibly meant to console the families of those who had committed suicide or died of shock after YSR’s death, but were seen as an attempt to bully the party into handing him the chief minister’s post.

Later, after a visit to Delhi, Jagan had claimed that the party leadership had green-lighted the yatra, only to be confronted with a denial. Jagan has suspended the programme but says he expects permission by July 8 to resume it.

A large section in the Congress believes Jagan will not make the mistake of leaving the party since he does not have too many MLAs with him as of now, but there are a few who are not so sure.

Many Congress leaders, who said they were not aware of Pawar’s alleged designs on Jagan, too agreed that the NCP leader was capable of such machinations. “This has been Pawarsaheb’s politics. The irony is that he survives politically despite doing all this,” a senior leader said.

Some in the Congress also believe that Pawar is trying to build a separate bloc within UPA II on the lines of the pressure group formed by him, Lalu Prasad and M. Karunanidhi in UPA I. They claim that Pawar tried to cosy up to Mamata Banerjee whenever she locked horns with the Congress.

“He would definitely like to have an understanding with Mamata, Mulayam, Lalu Prasad and other like-minded parties to set up a pressure group,” a Union minister said.

“But we doubt he will attempt any major political misadventure to destabilise the ruling combine. We know Pawar is not comfortable with the unchallenged Congress might in UPA II.”

A section in the Congress believes that Pawar will attempt to launch a third front after the Assembly polls in Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and Bengal to try and confront the Congress before the 2014 general election.

They argue the party should think of a counter-strategy and even try to break the NCP. But the party leadership is moving cautiously, its first priority being to protect its Andhra bastion.

NCP leaders counter that the Congress has constantly been trying to corner Pawar. The Congress laid the entire blame for the price rise at the agriculture minister’s door, and has made no attempt to defend him in the row over his alleged links with an IPL bid.

NCP sources suspect a Congress hand in the investment details of City Corp, where the Pawar family holds stakes, making their way to the media.

So it was Pawar struggle going on in AP.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 11 Jun 2010 01:13

Ramana garu, go back some 10 to 20 pages on this thread. I wrote that NCP threat is the real reason for proceeding with Sri Krishna commission. Jagan can take the Rayalseema and Coastal congress with him to NCP. Definitely not BJP. It is now just in the open.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2010 01:49

Good for you. Maybe INC guys should be reading this thread!

munna · Post by **munna** » 11 Jun 2010 02:04

Muppalla wrote:Definitely not BJP. It is now just in the open.

So all the BJP bashing on this thread was a smoke screen while real "pawar" struggle was going on elsewhere? In the earlier iterations of this thread I had emphasized that BJP would always be a marginal palyer till T-State comes into being. The real players in this are only those who hold power in Dilli or in Hyderabad, rest are all bystanders.
Thanks for the insights Muppalla garu.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Jun 2010 06:38

Muppalla wrote: Do not read too much into KCR hob-nobbing with BJP as he can with anyone. He will collect hafta but he will do all in his power to keep T boiling as long as possible. India's west ministerial system has degraded to blackmail-operationCBI-hafta collection system.

Again the million dolloar question - Will T form or not? It is in the hands of the events-and-situations of the time. There will always be support in various pocket of India for similar demands and political exploitation of emotions it at its peak these days. If TDP is checkmated in Telangana and events are driven towards T-as-good for INC then no one can stop Telangana.

Whatever happens to T -The real mess will be in Rayalaseema and INC's hands will be full to handle that. Jai-Ho-Jagan

That is correct. Congress exploited that fault-line and grew it to a vote-fetching issue. It made it such an issue that it can play both sides and can divide and blackmail local politicians with that issue.

Yes Jai-Ho-Jagan as TDP hands are tied. But if Jagan some how accepts to a minor position of CM to Andhra area, all bets are off. Congress can make DS as CM for Telangana and win whole Telangana as TDP may have much lower numbers at least for first 5-year. Making DS CM can be sold to Chiru and Kapu lobby to get Godavari and UA districts. (Polavaram is another sellable issue). Congress may possibly win in Andhra with slight majority.

Added later: Meanwhile, EVMs are being programmed

Congress survey : TRS 5, Congress 4, TDP 3

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Jun 2010 07:51

I was watching TV9 and TRS's Eetela Rajender put all Pakis and Pakiness to shame.

"TRS has decided to fight and will not seek any political alliances in these bi-elections. But we want INC and TDP to not to context in these elections and defeat the MLAs who resigned for Telangana state. This is not our demand, this is the demand of all Telangana people. If INC and TDP doesn't want to respect the Telangana people and contest the elections and defeat the resigned MLAs then Telangana people will punish INC and TDP".

P.S: Gone the economic backwardness. Gone the unique language and culture. New demand is give Telangana for self-respect.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Jun 2010 07:54

And INC leader included MIM as part of his party in a hypothetical Telangana state scenario.

Shows the strategies of Congress.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 12 Jun 2010 00:44

munna wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Definitely not BJP. It is now just in the open.
So all the BJP bashing on this thread was a smoke screen while real "pawar" struggle was going on elsewhere? In the earlier iterations of this thread I had emphasized that BJP would always be a marginal palyer till T-State comes into being. The real players in this are only those who hold power in Dilli or in Hyderabad, rest are all bystanders.
Thanks for the insights Muppalla garu.

Here is the post on 47th page and coincindentally I was replying to you in that post.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 72#p815072

The content of that post is still valid except that serious politcal analysts are predicting a different political future in case Telangana is formed. Per them in Telangana there could be several maoist based parties and there is a chance that MIM could become single largest party. INC, TDP, BJP and mainsteam parties will be relegated like the way they are in Jharkhand. Even the Governer M.L.Narsimhan is of the same opinion. I am not so sure if they are right. To me Telangana also has same/similar castes, clans and culture and why would it be different from rest? Tribal belts ( if we want to correlate them to maoists) are there in all areas. In fact there are equivalant number of tribal belts in both coastal( may be more ?) and Telangana regions.

Bashing BJP is a national pass time in India. If someone is suffering from either constipation or loose motions the reason will always be BJP. There is a saying in sanskrit "prusta thaadanath dantha bangaha" which literally means "when someone was slapped on the back teeth fell down". (basically no relation). If you have watched the most famous and mighty citizens of Mumbai on TV during the week of 26/11 every one either blasts "all politicians" and when it comes to names "BJP, Advani, Modi and MMS/Patil". Not a single word for Soniaji or Congress party. I would not be surprised like the past "Rukavat keliye khed hai" in TV is replaced with some show where everyone bashes BJP and its leaders.

Coming back to Telangana it is the same story. BJP is blamed for their consistency. Several pages were written how bad TRS is and there were posters who are even interested to vote MIM and not BJP due to anger in places where BJP was strong.

If it is me - Though I don't like the divison of state and if in a given constituency TRS is stronger and I will vote for TRS rather than dividing my votes and getting INC to power. If commoners has any strategy and clue they should just concentrate on INC's exit in the interest of region (however many states it may be).

The reality is so clear the entire story is written and executed by INC for pure and simple reason - politics (destroy TDP) and not even a shred of real interest towards APites, Telanganites or Telugus and as a matter of fact Indians and India. For congress party BJP is not an enemy#1 and rest of India's political parties are number#1 enemy.

By the way we did a snap-count of family members (first and second cousins, their spouses etc.) in my family to see how many of us are pure-and-nice-Telanganites, very long time settlers and real-bad-guys-from-coastal-areas. To my surprise, about 15% of us are from Telangana which is a lot. Another 30 to 50% are settlers depending upon the how you define the time period. Rest of us are all pure bad guys. Anyway thinking normally this is a ridiculous excercise.

Enough of Telangana stuff for this Friday.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jun 2010 02:36

Politicsparty guy rants
http://www.politicsparty.com/telangana_2010.php

Note his language for CBN -caste and characteristic. And same with TRS.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 12 Jun 2010 05:43

Muppalla wrote:

Bashing BJP is a national pass time in India. If someone is suffering from either constipation or loose motions the reason will always be BJP. If you have watched the most famous and mighty citizens of Mumbai on TV during the week of 26/11 every one either blasts "all politicians" and when it comes to names "BJP, Advani, Modi and MMS/Patil". Not a single word for Soniaji or Congress party. I would not be surprised like the past "Rukavat keliye khed hai" in TV is replaced with some show where everyone bashes BJP and its leaders.

Coming back to Telangana it is the same story. BJP is blamed for their consistency. Several pages were written how bad TRS is and there were posters who are even interested to vote MIM and not BJP due to anger in places where BJP was strong.

Some INC people told me what the trick is. They said that they get maximum traction and more people to hear them if they bash BJP. Even if there is no reason and with no real facts if they bash BJP they get support. Business people will get connections in the govt if they bash BJP in front of politician.
One guy in a lunch meeting start abusing LKA even when the govt was MMS/UPA. The other guys looked at each other and nodded. One guy finally asked a simple question - What is LKA got to do with the current situation. It is more than 6 years since LKA was a minister.

This is classic case of media based thought control and the educated population follows the media based debate in a closed mind.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 12 Jun 2010 07:19

Muppalla wrote:The reality is so clear the entire story is written and executed by INC for pure and simple reason - politics (destroy TDP) and not even a shred of real interest towards APites, Telanganites or Telugus and as a matter of fact Indians and India. For congress party BJP is not an enemy#1 and rest of India's political parties are number#1 enemy.

TDP (atleast news channel I listened to) already revealed its strategy to counter any such move. In the news a few weeks back, they said TDP is running local elections in Andaman & Nicobar islands where there are more than 20% Telugu people. In the future it will run in TN, KA, Orissa states also. It can win handful MLA seats in each state, though MP seats are difficult to get. In essence it will become a national party.

We shall wait and see if Congress succeeds in its efforts of social-engineering in AP to split people and state along various lines.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 12 Jun 2010 08:30

ramana wrote:What if YSJ joins BJP?

small confusion. Will this not attract anti-defection law?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Jun 2010 12:38

Yes it will. But he may win from Cuddappa even if he is an Independent.

Sakshi has shown interview with some writer who has writted articles critical of current T movement. As I started late I did not see the name or where did these artccles are publichsed. IS there any one who can tell me the details.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 15 Jun 2010 15:35

then why this dilli dallying on YSJ jumping to BJP or NCP?.....at the most he can form a separate party. Else he would be banned for 2 yrs from contesting in elections for violating 10th Schedule of our constitution....of course he may contest after the ban period expiry.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 17 Jun 2010 07:31

Here is an TV9 interview in Telugu with AP NRI forum (http://andhrapradeshnri.org/).
Nalamotu Chakravarthy is crisp to the point in the interview.

Voice of NRI part - 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Jcs6ja_Ps

Voice of NRI part - 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7dwFCy3n4

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 17 Jun 2010 07:42

Venkarl wrote:then why this dilli dallying on YSJ jumping to BJP or NCP?.....at the most he can form a separate party. Else he would be banned for 2 yrs from contesting in elections for violating 10th Schedule of our constitution....of course he may contest after the ban period expiry.

YSJ can defend in his core area by any means (legal/illegal/violence/non-violence). There is strategy to push all the corruption happened in Congress rule to YSR&Co to absolve other Congress people and especially Queen&Co. So keeping an open option to take help from non-congress parties can't be ruled out. As the non-YSR Congress are bunch of morons, Queen&co may need to keep YSJ in case other congressmen fail miserably to win for Congress.

In my opinion until he comes out of Congress, most of the things about him aligning are speculations only.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 18 Jun 2010 08:04

CBN is now daring the congress to creating the T state now by saying that they will not oppose if INC create Telangana. Sicne the entire drama is to wipe out TDP, INC may now abandan the T slogan slowly. The election results may be taken as an alibi and Krishna report may also be usefull in this regard.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 22 Jun 2010 19:10

Narayana Rao wrote:CBN is now daring the congress to creating the T state now by saying that they will not oppose if INC create Telangana. Sicne the entire drama is to wipe out TDP, INC may now abandan the T slogan slowly. The election results may be taken as an alibi and Krishna report may also be usefull in this regard.

Didn't he utter same statements leading to the Dec 9th announcement of PC? As soon as his MLAs started resigning (even assuming it is all stage managed), he changed the tune alleging that Congress blotched the whole episode by not taking people into confidence. He barely survived that episode.

In a way separation of T is in the hands of TDP. Congress don't care for united AP or separate T as long as it meets their long term interests. They are not afraid of KCR or BJP. Their main worry continues to be TDP. Should they announce separate T, all the money and ire of migrants from coastal andhra would be be firmly behind TDP, routing Congress out from coastal Andhra. This is the nightmare scenario for Congress and united AP is safe with the current status quo.

By altering this status quo with these wishy-washy statements, CBN is trying to repeat pre-December 9 situation and trap congress one more time and get benefited from the upcoming bye elections. But he doesn't realize that he cannot play this game too many times. The best case scenario for Congress is to give the full credit for splitting AP to TDP, while retaining the full credit for separate T with Congress. CBN should be careful what he is wishing for.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 22 Jun 2010 20:52

http://greatandhra.com/ganews/viewnews. ... 15&scat=16
53 per cent people won’t vote for Cong again!

The Rosaiah government has brought disgrace to the Congress party in the state so much that more than 53 per cent of the people have said they would not vote for the Congress if the mid-term elections are held now.

This was revealed during the NTV-Nielsen-ORG survey conducted last month. According to the report, the overall performance of the state Government when compared to 2008 has dipped to average. The percentage of the people saying that performance of the government was very good dropped from 16 per cent in 2008 to 10 per cent in 2010; and the percentage of people who said the performance was very poor in 2008 had gone up from three per cent to 13 per cent.

The ITALIAN mafia must be worried. Telangana will be their trump card.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Jun 2010 06:49

recent NDTV poll says INC will win 33 MP seats (out of 42) in AP. So let us not trust these polls. Yes INC may lose because of the stupid rosayya and his corrupt gov.

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 02 Jul 2010 22:13

After 20 yrs in the can, film on Gonds to hit the screen

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jul 2010 22:21

I visited Utnoor ITDA in mid 80s and am very, very familar with Gond tribes and culture. The tribal leader at that time was lady with a parrot on her shoulder. Unfortunately she died a few years later.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 02 Jul 2010 22:38

Some INC people told me what the trick is. They said that they get maximum traction and more people to hear them if they bash BJP. Even if there is no reason and with no real facts if they bash BJP they get support. Business people will get connections in the govt if they bash BJP in front of politician.
One guy in a lunch meeting start abusing LKA even when the govt was MMS/UPA. The other guys looked at each other and nodded. One guy finally asked a simple question - What is LKA got to do with the current situation. It is more than 6 years since LKA was a minister.

This is classic case of media based thought control and the educated population follows the media based debate in a closed mind.

There are/were a number of people with this mentality who were all over the forum in the ABV period. For obvious reasons, they are not be seen anywhere now....if the NDA govt comes to power by some miracle in the next elections. Expect them to reappear mysteriously out of thin air.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Jul 2010 17:47

Now DS Srinivas says that Rajamatha has told him that Telangana will be given or something to that effect. So the INC is showing a temparary drama again to win the by election. If wins DS will be either CM or deputy CM. We have to how BJP will fare againt him in Nizamabad town.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jul 2010 18:22

Narayana Rao wrote:Now DS Srinivas says that Rajamatha has told him that Telangana will be given or something to that effect. So the INC is showing a temparary drama again to win the by election. If wins DS will be either CM or deputy CM. We have to how BJP will fare againt him in Nizamabad town.

My hunch is in these elections if TRS cannot show its might on its own, the by-polls will be split between INC and TDP on 60:40 ratio in favor of INC.