Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Jul 2010 11:54

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/badmi ... t/636097/0

Coomi Kapoor
Tags : coomikapoor, column
Posted: Sun Jun 20 2010, 02:51 hrs

Itna saaf nahi

With widely respected veteran journalist, S Nihal Singh, resigning shortly after being elected president of the India chapter of the South Asia Free Media Association (SAFMA), the funding and control of the NGO, which is an associate body of SAARC, has come in for questioning. The soft spoken Singh appears to have been provoked when he discovered that long time secretary general of the Pakistani chapter, Imtiaz Alam, calls the shots and the Indian president has little say. The funding for SAFMA originates mainly from Norway and Denmark and is routed through Alam. The objective of SAFMA, which is headquartered in Pakistan, is to work at strengthening Indo-Pakistan ties through the media, though some journalists see it simply as an opportunity to visit neighbouring countries free of cost. Unlike the Indian chapter, which had had three changes of guard since its inception, Alam, a well known human rights activist, has remained secretary general of the Pakistani chapter since it was founded more than a decade ago.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Jul 2010 12:12

X Posted from the “Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism” thread.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s prowess in IT and here I am not talking about Information Technology but rather Islamic Terrorism, is recognised in the UK.

A survey by Britain’s The Centre for Social Cohesion finds that terrorist plots in the UK are mostly carried out by individuals who traced their heritage to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Besides that, in a majority of the cases the leaders of the terrorist plots had links to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Further, training for the majority of terrorist plots was provided in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Terrorism in Britain 'mostly home grown', report says

Most terrorism in Britain is homegrown, according to the most comprehensive survey of those convicted of offences over the last 10 years.

By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent
Published: 7:00AM BST 05 Jul 2010

The Centre for Social Cohesion has compiled profiles of 124 individuals convicted of Islamic terrorism offences since 1999. ……………………

The survey found almost half (46 per cent) of offenders had their origins in south Asia including 28 per cent who had Pakistani heritage - of whom at least 80 per cent were British nationals.

Six of the eight plots, 75 per cent, contained individual members who had trained in Pakistan and four of the leaders of those plots were directly linked to one or more Pakistani based terrorist groups.

The next most common origin for offenders was Somalia, accounting for 6 per cent, demonstrating a growing threat from East Africa.

The analysis found that 16 per cent were from families originally from East Africa and 12.5 per cent from North Africa.

A total of 5.5 per cent were from the Caribbean and 4 per cent from the Middle East.

Of those that committed offences, 32 per cent had a direct link to one or more proscribed organisations, most prominently al-Qaeda and the British group al-Muhajiroun.

Seven out of Britain’s eight major bomb plot cells contained individual members with direct links to al-Qaeda.

The survey found those of Pakistani origin and Bangladeshi origin were most likely to be associated with proscribed organisations. ………………….

The Telegraph, UK

partha · Post by **partha** » 05 Jul 2010 12:24

Two holidays a week to cause population explosion

she said that was a reality that the labour class families have up to 12 children

MNA Hanif Abbasi termed the fast population growth a bomb that needed special attention of the government

Maulvi Ismatullah, said population planning was against the Quran and Sunnah teachings and the government should be careful in making laws in this regard

Here comes the final word. Hanif Abbasi can go take a hike.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Jul 2010 13:09

ajit wrote:A documentary about the Hunza landslide by a local filmmaker Nisar Ahmed.

http://vimeo.com/12940377

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=248954

Ignored warnings
Monday, July 05, 2010

Perceptions of the way in which the Attabad lake incident has evolved may need to be adjusted in the light of a documentary made by a local community filmmaker. The landslide that blocked the river valley, cut the Karakorum Highway and led to the creation of a lake over 20-kms long was neither sudden nor unexpected. As long ago as 2002 local people had noticed extensive cracking in the area around Attabad. They spend their lives in a geologically active area and are used to ‘reading the ground’ as it moves around them. An earthquake in Astore in 2002 had triggered activity on a fault line that led into the Hunza valley. The cracks were reported at the time to the administration in Gilgit and the relevant authorities including the National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA). The NDMA and others monitored the cracking and in August 2009 declared the area a ‘red zone’. This was no surprise event – a lot of people were waiting for this to happen.

Post to the event on January 4, 2010, the weather was cold. Inflow to the small lake that was beginning to form behind the dam was slow as most of the water was locked as ice by the cold of winter. It was known to all concerned that once the weather began to warm the inflow to the lake would increase quickly, flooding would be extensive as would damage to property and livelihoods. Therefore the time to make a maximum effort to create spillways was in the immediate aftermath of the slide. The Chinese, in the area with heavy equipment anyway as they work on the upgrading of the KKH, offered help. It was rebuffed. Local people were told that everything was under control, and they believed what they were told – and there followed a period of activity by government agencies but not at the level of ‘maximum effort’ that would have prevented a drama turning into a crisis. With more effort and resources a deeper wider spillway could have been created and the lake need never have grown to the size it has. Nobody could have prevented the Attabad slide as it was a natural event, but much more could have been done both in preparation and contingency planning that would have mitigated its effects. An opportunity missed is an opportunity lost, and small wonder that the people of Hunza feel short-changed by the local and national administrations.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 05 Jul 2010 14:05

Question to Maulanas : What's with the hullabaloo in Pukeland about the recent atrocities in data darbar? Seems like most parties and various arabic alphabet soup named groups are condemning it. Thought sufism was frowned upon by sunnis,no ?

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 15:55

Suicide attack foiled at Timar Garah, four militants killed

TIMAR GARAH: A suicide attack attempt was foiled at Timar Garah by security forces.

According to ISPR, four militants in two vehicles laden with explosives were about to attack a base, Monday morning. Troops fired upon both the vehicles and destroyed them killing all the militants inside.

One security personnel was also killed and seven were wounded in the incident. – DawnNews.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 16:41

Extremists’ war on people’s Islam

The Deoband philosophy is a rejectionist philosophy, which rejected modernity and saw the British as the embodiment of western irreligious thought and materialism

the Deobandis, despite their strict version of Islam, were closely allied with the Hindu-dominated Indian National Congress during the independence movement, instead of the Muslim League which was seen as leaning towards the British and was in any event dominated by the westernised Muslim classes who were not Deobandi. Today in India, Darululoom-Deoband seems to have ensconced itself above all else as the supreme fatwa generating body for Indian Muslims. Consider the latest fatwas that have come out from there: banking is forbidden upon Muslims as a profession and also that women are not allowed to work. Whereas in India it is an attempt to exert clerical control over a hapless and insecure minority, in Pakistan, Deobandi extremists have tried to seize the state itself. They came very close under the military dictatorship of usurper General Ziaul Haq who supported them and nurtured them through Pakistan’s ISI for jihad against the Soviet Union. Needless to say, all this happened with the US’s approval. Things seemed to be going in that direction again in 1999 when Nawaz Sharif, who should have known better, made a decisive move to establish a caliphate in Pakistan. The Deobandi extremist movement in Pakistan is actually the officially anointed clergy’s war on the people’s Islam.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 16:45

Life must go on

The concept of brain death has allowed heart donations to occur in people who are no longer functionally alive but their hearts are still working. In Pakistan, this concept is now legally established but is obviously not yet publicly accepted

The need to write about the horrific attack on Data Darbar (tomb of the sufi saint Ali Hajvery) in Lahore is overwhelming but I will resist the urge to do so. Not because I do not want to say anything about it but rather because there is nothing I can say that will in words express the anguish and utter despair I feel about it.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 16:47

South Asian trade

The Pakistani share of intra-regional trade has declined from 24.5 percent in 1980 to 19.8 percent in 2008. Similarly, India has maintained high tariff rates and non-tariff barriers on Pakistani goods

Does South Asia, a small plum in a market of more than 1.5 billion, wish to swim or sink? While South Asia seems to have chosen to swim, the progress has been dismally small. This is indicated in the accredited report ‘Trade and Human Development in South Asia’, which was prepared by the internationally regarded Mahbubul Haq Human Development Centre (MHHDC) in Islamabad. The centre was founded by the late Dr Mahbubul Haq, the globally acclaimed Pakistani economist and a former Finance Minister. Dr Haq was the author of the UN Human Development Index (HDI) that measures the state of the world’s poor, besides other indicators.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 16:51

Clerics vow to join hands with govt against terrorism

* Rehman Malik says Data Darbar attack reflects terrorists’ last-gasp attempts to undermine country’s peace

ISLAMABAD: Religious clerics from various schools of thought on Sunday vowed to join hands with the government to foil terrorists’ designs in order to maintain sectarian harmony in the country.

They also decided to observe a day against terrorism to express solidarity amongst their ranks.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik had called up the exclusive meeting of clerics in the backdrop of the triple suicide bombing on the Data Darbar in Lahore, where 42 people lost their lives.

Maulana Abu Bakar Sadiq, Maulana Muhammad Asad Thanwi, Maulana Abdul Jaleel Naqvi, Mufti Muhammad Usman, Nazir Farooqi, Zahoor Alwi, Maulana Mahmoodul Hassan, Maulana Bashir Ahmad, Asad Alam Naqvi, Maulana Naeem Shehzada, Maulana Aneesul Hasnain, Qazi Muhammad Zahoor, Hafiz Ishaq Zafar, Farhat Hussain Shah, Maulana Akhtar Abbas, Syed Izhar Bukhari and other clerics participated in the meeting.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Jul 2010 17:15

Thought our friend has gone on holiday to the swat valley, but look like he is back!...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Jul 2010 17:21

Ambar wrote:Question to Maulanas : What's with the hullabaloo in Pukeland about the recent atrocities in data darbar? Seems like most parties and various arabic alphabet soup named groups are condemning it. Thought sufism was frowned upon by sunnis,no ?

I am neither a Mullah nor an expert in animal pisskology but I think these mulla-baric animals are now barking (when they remained silent as Ahmedis and hindus were getting killed) because they are worried about retaliation. They are okay with their boys doing the killing but they want that to go on in a low key fashion without triggering massive retaliation...

as you can see, even now they condemn killing of 'muslims' but not civilians of other religions. So it is perfectly okay to kill them..needless to say it is okay to kill Ahmedis too...in their animal eyes. Because the Pakbarian constipa(tu)tion itself says they are not Muslims...

Can someone point out the name of a Ahmedi maulana in this list...of mulla-barians?

Maulana Abu Bakar Sadiq, Maulana Muhammad Asad Thanwi, Maulana Abdul Jaleel Naqvi, Mufti Muhammad Usman, Nazir Farooqi, Zahoor Alwi, Maulana Mahmoodul Hassan, Maulana Bashir Ahmad, Asad Alam Naqvi, Maulana Naeem Shehzada, Maulana Aneesul Hasnain, Qazi Muhammad Zahoor, Hafiz Ishaq Zafar, Farhat Hussain Shah, Maulana Akhtar Abbas, Syed Izhar Bukhari and other clerics participated in the meeting.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 05 Jul 2010 17:34

SS - dropped you an email at both your gmail and hotmail addresses - please drop me a note.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Jul 2010 17:35

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 010_pg7_17

Animals celebrate wedding by firing on the air - killing a 13 year old boy!...wonder are bullets and arms sold in ration shops in Pakbarianistan?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2010 17:51

abhishek_sharma wrote:And they said the whole world is watching and studying their successful military mission.

The pakis are right. The world is studying their "successful" ops to learn how not to conduct ops in civilian areas, against the tellibunnies.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2010 17:57

ajit_tr wrote:Life must go on
The concept of brain death has allowed heart donations to occur in people who are no longer functionally alive but their hearts are still working.

So this standard will enable half your people to qualify to donate, and the other half to receive. Finally some positive news from pajistan.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 05 Jul 2010 18:04

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/ ... in-pak.htm

what will chippandas do now? lets see how tarrel than mount&pain deepel than oh shaun friends do now??

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Jul 2010 18:04

ajit_tr wrote:Clerics vow to join hands with govt against terrorism

* Rehman Malik says Data Darbar attack reflects terrorists’ last-gasp attempts to undermine country’s peace

ISLAMABAD: Religious clerics from various schools of thought on Sunday vowed to join hands with the government to foil terrorists’ designs in order to maintain sectarian harmony in the country.

They also decided to observe a day against terrorism to express solidarity amongst their ranks.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik had called up the exclusive meeting of clerics in the backdrop of the triple suicide bombing on the Data Darbar in Lahore, where 42 people lost their lives.

Maulana Abu Bakar Sadiq, Maulana Muhammad Asad Thanwi, Maulana Abdul Jaleel Naqvi, Mufti Muhammad Usman, Nazir Farooqi, Zahoor Alwi, Maulana Mahmoodul Hassan, Maulana Bashir Ahmad, Asad Alam Naqvi, Maulana Naeem Shehzada, Maulana Aneesul Hasnain, Qazi Muhammad Zahoor, Hafiz Ishaq Zafar, Farhat Hussain Shah, Maulana Akhtar Abbas, Syed Izhar Bukhari and other clerics participated in the meeting.

Remarkable change boss!

As opposed to the earlier policy of...

Clerics vow to join hands with govt for terrorism

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2010 18:09

Pakistan's Foreign investment shrinking

All major sectors having attraction for foreign investors lost their charm as either investment flew out or shrunk to the minimum level except the oil and gas exploration sector.

Still attractive is the oil and gas exploration sector

Analysts believe the country has great potential for foreign investment but the war-like-situation in North of Pakistan, Afghanistan and series of suicide bombings in major cities, including the capital city, rocked the confidence of investors.

Now you wonder why oil and gas exploration are still attracting foreign investments. Is it because these natural resources are in Balochistan and not in pakjab? Take away Balochistan from pajistan and what do you have left?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 18:11

ajit_tr wrote:Clerics vow to join hands with govt against terrorism
* Rehman Malik says Data Darbar attack reflects terrorists’ last-gasp attempts to undermine country’s peace

“We will work with the Punjab government to do away with extremism and continue fighting until peace is restored,” he added.

Pakistanis are a people of peace and will kill anyone who disputes that

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2010 18:12

chetak wrote:As opposed to the earlier policy of... Clerics vow to join hands with govt for terrorism

For terrorism...against terrorism...what's the difference as long as the PA + the maulvis in pajistan have a monopoly on both.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Jul 2010 19:58

It would appear that the mullas are scared that it could have been them instead of the unfortunate 40 odd who are with their 72s now. For all their preaching about 72s, djannat, rivers of milk and honey, the astute mullas are in no hurry to shorten their stay in the hell hole called pakistan.

As long as they are joining hands with that dork Rehman Malik, one can safely say that this is all hot gas. Rehman Malik is a highly reviled individual in Pakistan, in addition to not being able to do jack shit about anything.

Now if the mullahs had had a meeting with Kiyani or Shuja Pasha and there was a joint statement that condemns the terror attacks going on, all this means little more than some unemployed rabble rousing mullahs getting together for a photo op with thier Int Min RM.

The Pakistani Taliban will in all likelyhood promptly respond with another IED mubarak up the mullah's musharrafs in some other mosque late this week.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 20:15

Endgame in Afghanistan

The result is that Pakistan while opposed to a premature withdrawal is also simultaneously raising the costs for the US and ISAF by leaving anti-West Afghan groups untouched. That said, it is still attempting to keep these costs manageable for the western states involved by allowing US drones to strike targets in Fata and sharing intelligence with its western counterparts. It is doing so to keep the Afghan groups on a leash while not allowing reason enough for the US to pursue direct intervention options in Pakistan.

The silver lining in all this is that no matter how we approach the situation, it is becoming increasingly clear that no sustainable conclusion can be achieved in Afghanistan until both these sides are on board. Pakistan and the US both want Afghanistan to become relatively stable before the western presence is withdrawn; both have an interest in seeing this happen sooner rather than later; and there is also a growing realisation that the end-state would involve a ‘broad-based’ government in Kabul.

Pakistan’s parallel strategy to raise western costs, and western reluctance to agree to a future role for pro-Pakistan groups per se are irritants which flow from the lack of mutual trust. Both parties are caught in a dilemma which is not allowing them to show their hand due to the fear of being outmanouevred. Constant dialogue and positive assurances that this will not happen can allow them to overcome this trust deficit and subsequently lead them to an agreeable common end-state.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 20:21

Charbagh people walk for peace

MINGORA, July 4: A large number of people participated in a ‘peace walk’ in Charbagh area on Sunday, pledging to cooperate with the government for maintaining peace and stability in the area.

The walk was organised by a committee of the local people, which according to the organisers was attended by over 5,000 people. It started from Charbagh Khass and ended at Mungeltan.

Speaking on the occasion the organisers - Dr Hidayetullah, Sultan-i-Room and Abdur Rehman – said people of the valley were united for peace and stability and that they would cooperate with the security forces in this regard.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 20:38

Attack on Data Darbar condemned

Leaders of all political and religious parties and people from all walks of life on Friday condemned the terrorist attack on the Data Ganj Bakhsh shrine in Lahore in the strongest possible terms and urged the government to take strict action against the terrorists.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jul 2010 20:42

Navy passing-out parade: ‘Desire for peace must not be mistaken for weakness’

Pakistan on Friday reiterated its willingness to go the extra mile for resolution of contentious issues with its neighbours through dialogue.

This desire found expression in a speech by Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar at the 93rd Pakistan Navy officers’ commissioning parade at the Pakistan Naval Academy in Manora.

The passing-out officers included 56 officers — one from Palestine and two from Saudi Arabia — besides 21 female officers.

The defence minister emphasised that Pakistan’s desire for peace must not be taken as a sign of weakness.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 05 Jul 2010 20:51

ajit_tr, why are u posting these news here? All this is meaningless to us till pakistan punishes/hands over criminals who are behind indian bloodshed till date. Post THAT positive news if you find one. Till then please dont rub salt on our wounds.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 Jul 2010 20:55

ajit_tr ji,

Perhaps you have mistaken something. This is not a thread dealing with current events in TSP as such. It is also not a news site. It is a thread dealing with all the terrorism that emanates from TSP.

I am sure you can find many other threads on Internet forums, where your contributions would be appreciated a bit more.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 20:58

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -570-rs-07

MUZAFFARGARH: Fourteen people are reported to have stripped naked a woman and her daughter on Saturday and thrashed them in the presence of a large number of people in Shehr Sultan, a town near Mirwala.

Sources said the suspects got hold of 50-year-old Allah Wasai and her 14-year-old daughter Ashraf Mai when they came out of their home in Berwali to go to their fields.

They then proceeded to teach the women “a lesson for the wrongdoing of Allah

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 05 Jul 2010 20:59

RajeshA wrote:ajit_tr ji,

Perhaps you have mistaken something. This is not a thread dealing with current events in TSP as such. It is also not a news site. It is a thread dealing with all the terrorism that emanates from TSP.

I am sure you can find many other threads on Internet forums, where your contributions would be appreciated a bit more.

is he to naive to understand or too dumb to ignore?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 21:00

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -hours-570

I recently had the opportunity to visit Lahore with my family. One night, my wife started suffering from food poisoning. She was vomiting profusely after regular intervals and complained of stomach pain. We rushed her to the nearest hospital at Allama Iqbal Town, Lahore. There, after initial medication, she was put on Ringer’s Lactate Solution, manufactured by O.P.

After about an hour at 6am, she suddenly started shivering vigorously from head to toe. It appeared as if she was having fits. Fearing for her life, I immediately stopped the drip and rushed to the staff for help.

But, to my sheer surprise and anger, all of them were enjoying a nap. I first had to wake up the receptionist, who woke up the rest of the staff.

It took the doctor around five minutes to arrive. During this time, my wife’s condition deteriorated. On his arrival, I inquired the doctor about my wife’s condition. He casually replied that there was nothing to worry about as either the content of the fluid administered or the drip was of substandard quality, and such things do happen.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 05 Jul 2010 21:02

Bang
Security official martyred, 14 injured in suicide attack in Lower Dir

Later security forces in retaliation opened heavy gun firing by using artillery and targeted the outfits of militants. Officials have started search operation and imposed curfew in the area. However, no arrest has been made yet.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 05 Jul 2010 21:03

ajituddin is trying to edumacate us

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 21:06

http://blog.dawn.com/2010/07/01/letter-to-britain/

Dear Britain,

Has anyone told you how amazing you guys are? Well let me clarify – we love you. You guys are incredible and we’re not just saying that because you are (allegedly) giving us close to a billion dollars in aid.

In recognition of how terrific you are, we humbly request you to take back Pakistan. Our government, as you may have noticed, is quite useless. The security situation, steadily increasing food prices and inflation, unemployment and incessant load shedding – all of this is wreaking havoc on our populace. We are tired and need respite. And no one is better suited to solving our problems better than you, dear Britain. Your inflation is a mere 3.4% compared to our 13.07%. You obviously know what you are doing as we constantly fumble looking for the right formula. You hate it when people are unproductive so you can put all our unemployed men and women to work. Even so, your unemployment benefits sound fantastic! You can even set up a few power plants and hydro projects, easing our power supply – that way we will actually have the basic necessities and uninterrupted power. We’re also quite keen on the National Health Service you have for your citizens – seems like an absolute dream.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 21:08

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... hemy-hs-02

Pakistan will start monitoring seven major websites, including Google, for anti-Islamic content. It also is blocking at least 17 other, lesser-known sites it deems offensive to Muslims.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Jul 2010 21:10

shiv wrote:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... hemy-hs-02
Pakistan will start monitoring seven major websites, including Google, for anti-Islamic content. It also is blocking at least 17 other, lesser-known sites it deems offensive to Muslims.

Has anyone tried to access BRF from within Tsp?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 21:13

http://blog.dawn.com/2010/06/03/beneath ... d-neglect/

Beneath the layers of bureaucracy & neglect:

Imagine my extreme disappointment and annoyance when a security guard told me: “I’m sorry you cannot go into the Islamic Art gallery.”

I paid Rs.200, a fee that is 20 times more than what a local pays, and now you tell me I cannot step foot into a gallery that has been inaugurated by some minister of some ministry a mere five days ago?

Then, the cherry on the cake came. The same bearded security guard came up to my colleague and said: “Beta, actually I just have no keys to the room.”

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 21:15

http://blog.dawn.com/2010/06/01/a-muted ... -killings/
A muted response to minority killings

I am disappointed that there is no one to protest and lament the killings, especially since the Ahmadi community seems to have been silenced by years of discrimination and persecution. I was six years old and attending a Quran class when the maulvi sahib blatantly refused to teach two of my friends, Maham and Rija. I remember his words, his eyes flaming with hate as he refused to let them sit in his class, or even touch ‘their’ Quran. I did not understand why no one protested, why they had chosen to leave the room silently, as if the hate and discrimination was expected. I found myself in the same dilemma on Friday, when after one of the largest attacks against them in the history of Pakistan, this was the only official statement issued on behalf of the Ahmadi community:

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Jul 2010 21:21

ajit_tr wrote:Endgame in Afghanistan

Pakistan’s parallel strategy to raise western costs, and western reluctance to agree to a future role for pro-Pakistan groups per se are irritants which flow from the lack of mutual trust. Both parties are caught in a dilemma which is not allowing them to show their hand due to the fear of being outmanouevred. Constant dialogue and positive assurances that this will not happen can allow them to overcome this trust deficit and subsequently lead them to an agreeable common end-state.

How come pakiland is always in a trust deficit with everyone it deals with?

However it maybe sanctioned, taquiya as a unilateral and constantly used concept is past its sell by date.

No one likes to be told after a done deal, sorry boys but it was just taquiya. It sucks big time.

Deviousness and crass deception as a national policy has not brought any country anything but grief.

Pakis should box in their weight category which is around what somalia would be, nukes notwithstanding.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 21:24

Now can I ask some other SDRE to scour other Paki newspapers to do an ajit_tr on here as I have done? This is a game that two can play. Or three or four.

How about nation.com?

Come on folks. You want to post news about Pakistan - there's plenty of it about. Posting only one side of the story is propagandu. And we know how to deal with those.