Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

[prahaar]

So,

essentially, the US, with its legalized lobbies, does the same as India?

Thus. India, with Amb**nis bribing RG, or other titans bribing other politicians, are essentially doing the same thing as in the US; i.e; lobbying and paying for campaigning.

THere seems to be good ground for another round of electoral reform, with lobbying being legalized in India.

You seem to suggest that because something happens in the US legally, it should also be so in India. The underlying assumption is that the WOW (way of working) in US is ideal, so we should allow things that fit the US template. I find this thought process quite disturbing.

This is not a unique instance (Lobbying), but quite endemic. Reminds me of the DU 4 year course decision (Shashi Tharoor thinks, that 3 year course causes problems to those going to US for MS, since graduate courses in India are years, this is one of the reasons he gave).

[member_20292]

^^^

Thing is;

Middlemen, and agents, and network marketing is pretty common throughout the world. Right now, I just got off the phone with a Taiwanese American Amway guy, who has chosen India to initiate his Amway business in.

Now, if I willingly blind myself to legalizing what is an acceptable way of functioning in many places, it does not make sense , does it?

India does not have to solve all its problems using its own ancient methods and philosophies.

Nor does it have to AB INITIO come up with verbal and written magic in economics to make its lives work.

But , by not taking existing solutions that have been shown to function (reasonably well, not perfectly) in the west.....and applying them to India, it willingly blinds itself to the needs of millions of its people, who then blame past lives and past karma when they can actually be more proactive in demanding that their rulers be more accountable to them.

[shaardula]

IMO the lack of media is proving to be the Achilles heel. The C-system has dozens of media channels in English, Hindi and various regional languages. For every little thing they go into a beserk spin cycle until every body starts repeating the same thing.

Look at how Nityananda was treated, compared with the deafening silence on Church pedophilia.

And see how current news about Modi's address to NRIs never fails to mention the US-visa non-issue.

Ultimately perceptions matter more than facts.

this is some thing. Give Nityananda a pass, 'coz some in some western land gave church-walas a pass? why not do both, haul nityananda & deviant padres on coal? deviance is deviance.

btw, nityananda owns vast tracts of land in blr rural. this is an area, east of maddur, which for all its designation as rural, has not a grown seed in the last 20 years. all land there is either quarried, factories, or "resorts", and "ashrams", inlcuding farms of karunanidhi family and ap politicians. (p chidambaram also own lots of land in ka, but not in this area). but bulk of land owned by JDS and congress biggies and no sign of bjp. overwhelming bignames in ka politics, hdk, pgr scindhia, smk, deekeshi (DKS), all from this area. all of whom are atleast a few hundred crores worth. in this real estate gold mine, how the fukk did a tamilian fake swamy come to own such vast tracts of land? his advaita that good or what? random taatha in the bylanes of malleshwara can teach this guy shankara. in this climate how does a fake swamy thrive, when sundry temples of the real seer of tiruvannamalai, ramana maharshi, can barely meet their fiduciary obligations? want to stress again, no bjp in this area.

also there are p-number of swamis and mathas from various communities all over SoKA. Nobody cries over them, 'coz at the end of the day, they do some social work. none of the traditional KA mathas from any of the communities in this area. only fake swamis like nityananda there.

[krisna]

^^^^
Few facts on Nityananda swami-
1) He belongs to OBC
2) He had some success in reducing or preventing conversions of lower castes to chritism. (Another one was kanchi Shankaracharya who was also implicated for same reasons along with lands)
3) He earned the ire of politicians due to lands in KA and TN woth 100s of crores.
4) christists along with "secular" periyarites colluded to brig his downfall. Both had their grouses which matched to a "T"-- christists wanted a stop to his efforts to prevent conversions, whereas polticians eyed his prime properties.
5) In Hindu religion there is no bar on swamis/rishis having "ahem ahem' etc. it is more of a chritists thing which got imposed on SD over time.

whatever it is, the TV channels along with poiticians/chritists had a field day in bringing disgrace to him. Hindu religion got a hit as usual.

again collusion was perfectly matched with secular politicians and chritists.

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The one who outed him with videos was a christ follower who wormed his way into the inner circle to take videos to bring his downfall.
a few crores was spent in the plan.

[RamaY]

this is some thing. Give Nityananda a pass, 'coz some in some western land gave church-walas a pass? why not do both, haul nityananda & deviant padres on coal? deviance is deviance.

btw, nityananda owns vast tracts of land in blr rural. this is an area, east of maddur, which for all its designation as rural, has not a grown seed in the last 20 years. all land there is either quarried, factories, or "resorts", and "ashrams", inlcuding farms of karunanidhi family and ap politicians. (p chidambaram also own lots of land in ka, but not in this area). but bulk of land owned by JDS and congress biggies and no sign of bjp. overwhelming bignames in ka politics, hdk, pgr scindhia, smk, deekeshi (DKS), all from this area. all of whom are atleast a few hundred crores worth. in this real estate gold mine, how the fukk did a tamilian fake swamy come to own such vast tracts of land? his advaita that good or what? random taatha in the bylanes of malleshwara can teach this guy shankara. in this climate how does a fake swamy thrive, when sundry temples of the real seer of tiruvannamalai, ramana maharshi, can barely meet their fiduciary obligations? want to stress again, no bjp in this area.

also there are p-number of swamis and mathas from various communities all over SoKA. Nobody cries over them, 'coz at the end of the day, they do some social work. none of the traditional KA mathas from any of the communities in this area. only fake swamis like nityananda there.

What crime Nityananda committed? Is having consensual sex (even if he did) a crime? Why was he arrested? What were the charges?

Why weren't the people who took video were arrested for breach of privacy?

Which law says it is wrong for Hindu trusts/maths to
1. Have consensual sexual relationships
2. Consensual sexual-tantric sadhana by adults
3. Take donation of and acquire lands and commercial holdings as long as necessary taxe paid?

[Pranav]

this is some thing. Give Nityananda a pass, 'coz some in some western land gave church-walas a pass? why not do both, haul nityananda & deviant padres on coal? deviance is deviance.

You completely missed the point. The point was about the Indian media. Why are they not reporting the huge pedophilia and other scandals. Is there a level playing field in the media. In elections, perceptions matter more than reality.

[Pranav]

Looks like MMS is on his way out. When does his Rajya Sabha term expire?

One has to admire the deftness with which the Maino gang is making him the fall guy, after having looted in his name for a decade.

[Singha]

I too agree, the old horse is on its last legs.

question is who is being prepared to take over the gaddi? surely it cannot be pappu (yet). PC does not strike me as much of a family loyalist (?) AKA for PM and pappu as HM in 2014 ?

to survive MMS camp has to release scandals on family loyalist and take out atleast two people in a counter attack...or they will be relentlessly targeted now until nothing but family loyalists are left.

[Sushupti]

Looks like MMS is on his way out. When does his Rajya Sabha term expire?

One has to admire the deftness with which the Maino gang is making him the fall guy, after having looted in his name for a decade.

He has been renominated to Rajyasabha again.

[Hari Seldon]

sushil kr shinde is reportedly the new MMS in the grooming.

[Singha]

*shudder* and probably shivraj patil back as HM...our narmada-godavari axis supporters will love this cultural renewal

[Sanku]

BJP is in denial over Karnataka Sunday, 12 May 2013 | Swapan Dasgupta | in Usual Suspects

This is the bluntest ever statement from SwapanDa. He just finally thought that there is no need to respect anyone.

^^Am sure sanku ji will prove swapanda wrong.

He would know the inner workings of the sangh so much better than casual commentators like swapan da after all.
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Actually I will, and this does not require any knowledge of Sangh at all, the article is fairly poor by Swapan Da's standards, and the self contradictions are obvious.

Let us see his points

I.

verdict in Karnataka against the BJP had everything to do with the quality of administration, the venality of those associated with the party and the vengeful conduct of those who felt that they had been unjustly treated by a cabal that drew its power from Delhi. In short, it was a protest against bad governance and worse politics.

Interesting, a contradiction in the first statement its,
people responsible for the poor quality of administration + venality == vengeful conduct == Yeddurappa camp.
So what is Swapan Da saying, its ok to be venal and poor administrator as long as central BJP gives you free reign? For a right of center commentator with strong moral foundation that is particularly low.

Yeddurappa's antics were tolerated ONLY because he has a section of votes with him, so apparently, poor administration + venality + anti party activities are all justified if you can get 10% votes. Personally, I think if BJP is looking for such a deal, it may be better off merging directly with JD(S).

II.

First, even assuming that every vote for both the KJP and the BSR Congress (the outfit floated by the bent and beautiful of Bellary district) had gone in favour of a united BJP, the Congress would still have squeaked through, albeit not so conclusively. The fact, after all, remains that the Congress outpolled the combined votes of the BJP, KJP and BSR Congress by a whopping six per cent.

This is a particularly poor understanding displayed by Swapan da.

Lets see here
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 997273.cms

Most early analyses have emphasized that BJP's vote share has declined by a whopping 13%, from 33.86% (2008) to 19.95% (2013). That is nearly as much as the combined vote-share gain of the KJP and BSRC. The KJP polled 9.84% and BSRC secured 2.69% of votes. As the 2008 election vote share of the undivided BJP included KJP and BSRC, one must first recognize that these political formations taken together have not lost vote-share in Karnataka. Hence, there has been no substantial shift in voter preferences for the Congress, JD(S) or BJP and its derivatives . It would be erroneous to interpret this mandate to be a decisive rejection of the BJP and its breakaway factions.

Even in 2008, Congress was ahead of BJP+KJP+BRS; Is it Swapan Da's case that the exact same vote division was acceptance of BJP in 2008 and its rejection in 2013?

Come on Swapan Da, you can do better than this.


III

The needless feud that resulted in Yeddyurappa walking out of the party he had helped build, resulted in the Mutually Assured Destruction of both the BJP and the KJP.

Umm, how did KJP get destroyed? It has polled impressive 10% in its first showing? And after arguing for ages that it was mismanagement of BJP and not the vote split, he now is saying that vote split in destroying both?

If you do a 360* rant, some points will certainly be valid, but the job of a political commentator is to tie it together in a coherent whole, an essay, not fall to pieces trying to connect contradictions.

So all in all, a fairly fairly poor piece, and I have only taken a stab at half of it. The other half is equally lousy.

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Also I do not get the "supporters" of BJP asking BJP to leave this or that to win--

1) First it was good that BJP left Hindutva on back burner to win.
2) Then it was ok to leave morality in terms of corruption to win.
3) Now it is also ok to say F off to governance to win.

So tell me again, is the greatest goal of supporters of BJP to make BJP into another INC and then declare victory for INC school of thought?


Heck INC school of thought is anyway winning in the country, the whole idea is that "surat badlni chahiye" (things should change)

[kmkraoind]

Though CBI is controlled by Dept of Personnel, actually it is controlled by Home Ministry.
1. Why did CBI resorted to unprecedented protocol of logging the files name, when they entered into Law Ministry's office.
2. For high-level phone tapping, one requires HM secretary approval. Since CBI is tapping phones of Bansal's clan, does Shinde knew nothing.

Most important question, has Madam promised Shinde of PM's post if he brings down MMS down? or he just playing a game scripted by Sonia et al. The mischief of CBI of logging the files names and phone recordings points to that direction only.

Advantages of Shinde as PM: 1) White-skinned man. 2) Dalit. 3) Comes from a big state like MH. 4) Has no support base outside of MH.

Indeed Congress perfected the system so well that we need a 10-level magnitude of earthquake to bury them.

[Hari Seldon]

^^Sankuji, expected more than tilting at strawmen from you saar.

Everybody knows swapanda's articles leave a lot to be desired. Yawn. So what. How about his pointing out the glaring writing on the wall that shri LKA and the bhajpa high command's meddlesome record in recent state polls canot be whitewashed anymore. How about the implication that shri LKA should take sanyas like ABV and hand over the reins to younger, more attuned leaders now?

[Hari Seldon]

No move as of now for return of Yeddyurappa, says BJP

[krishnan]

Wonder why have 2 deputy Cm's

[shaardula]

thats sonia's way keeping siddhu on a tight leash. if it was possible, whe would have said 3 cms. since that is not possible, we have this tughlaq-esque spectacle.

[shaardula]

verdict in Karnataka against the BJP had everything to do with the quality of administration, the venality of those associated with the party and the vengeful conduct of those who felt that they had been unjustly treated by a cabal that drew its power from Delhi. In short, it was a protest against bad governance and worse politics.


Interesting, a contradiction in the first statement its,
people responsible for the poor quality of administration + venality == vengeful conduct == Yeddurappa camp.

sanku, no yedi (vengeful), eashwarappa, ananth kumar, reddy (venal). bunch of don-quixotic ministers.

[Sanku]

^^Sankuji, expected more than tilting at strawmen from you saar.

Everybody knows swapanda's articles leave a lot to be desired. Yawn. So what. How about his pointing out the glaring writing on the wall that shri LKA and the bhajpa high command's meddlesome record in recent state polls canot be whitewashed anymore. How about the implication that shri LKA should take sanyas like ABV and hand over the reins to younger, more attuned leaders now?

Hari Seldon ji, ABV stopped working only when physically impossible. If BJP could, they would ressurect him from dead, that is how valuable he is, so if you want to say that LKA should retire, you have chosen a particularly poor example.


For the moment, I merely wanted to point out the highlighted part -- that said, we can discuss the BJP's record. What period you wish to discuss and compare against what.

[negi]

Kalyan singh became a liability when he returned to BJP; Yeddy is now a choosa hua aam, BJP better keep him at bay.

[Sushupti]

"On the face of it, both theories are correct. Yet there is a significant omission: Neither Kalyan Singh nor Yeddyurappa would have felt it necessary to actually jump ship had they not felt totally scorned. Their sense of desperation stemmed from the realisation that their local opponents had the unqualified backing of tall central leaders against whom they could not win".

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... ataka.html

[Sushupti]

Kalyan singh became a liability when he returned to BJP; Yeddy is now a choosa hua aam, BJP better keep him at bay.

It's 2%(Lodh) vs 20%(Lingayats). Not until BJP gets to emerge another leader from the community.

[Sanku]

Kalyan singh became a liability when he returned to BJP; Yeddy is now a choosa hua aam, BJP better keep him at bay.

It's 2%(Lodh) vs 20%(Lingayats). Not until BJP gets to emerge another leader from the community.

If BJP is so dependent on a single leader from a community, it should do itself, and all it followers a big favor and wind up.

[Supratik]

If BJP is so dependent on a single leader from a community, it should do itself, and all it followers a big favor and wind up.

That is the reality of most parts of India. No need to live in utopia.

[Sanku]

If BJP is so dependent on a single leader from a community, it should do itself, and all it followers a big favor and wind up.

That is the reality of most parts of India. No need to live in utopia.

Sir, at least BJP has been able to demonstrate party with difference in many parts. Of having multiple credible leaders, if not BIG, at least good enough to pull through.

[Sushupti]

Probe against Gadkari starts to crumble

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/pro ... to-crumble

[Supratik]

Here is the difference between a true soldier and an egotist - Gadkari vs Yeddi.

[Sanku]

Here is the difference between a true soldier and an egotist - Gadkari vs Yeddi.

You said it Sir.

[Sanku]

Interestingly Na Mo too alluded to Kkta as pre Na Mo Gujarat, saying things happen, but we fixed it. This was a comparison I had drawn much before NaMo had carried out his election rally.

[member_20317]

"On the face of it, both theories are correct. Yet there is a significant omission: Neither Kalyan Singh nor Yeddyurappa would have felt it necessary to actually jump ship had they not felt totally scorned. Their sense of desperation stemmed from the realisation that their local opponents had the unqualified backing of tall central leaders against whom they could not win".

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... ataka.html

Yeddi knows he has turned himself into another Kalyan. Had he held on for dear life within BJP and fought on from within perhaps NM could have helped. The least that can be expected of a man whose claim to fame was 'establishing BJP in KA' and 'Lingayat strongman' is that he hold on when the going gets tough. Central leadership was blind but so was he.

Now he has no option but to claim that he is not unhappy.

Anyways no second chances in politics.

[Sushupti]

Here is the difference between a true soldier and an egotist - Gadkari vs Yeddi.

I would say that when NG were not to have the backing of RSS head against the onslaught of D4 and conducted himself in dignified manner. Let him experience the isolation of Kalyan Singh and Yeddi by "Saffron Gandhis" of Delhi BJP and see if he still remain quiet.

[Atri]

Sushupti ji, Is Yeddi really a Kalyan Singh? I feel sorry for KS.. You may recall my posts supporting him earlier. I never felt the same for Yeddi. I have my own contacts and connections here and there and all of them are sort of - It is good that Yeddi was thrown out - he was pain in mushy. Same people were jolted when KS was humiliated.. I have never heard anyone questioning the integrity of KS about his commitment towards Hindutva. Yeddi was perceived as chance-maaru types.. ideologically speaking. I may be too idealistic and out of box here..

[Sushupti]

Sushupti ji, Is Yeddi really a Kalyan Singh? I feel sorry for KS.. You may recall my posts supporting him earlier. I never felt the same for Yeddi. I have my own contacts and connections here and there and all of them are sort of - It is good that Yeddi was thrown out - he was pain in mushy. Same people were jolted when KS was humiliated.. I have never heard anyone questioning the integrity of KS about his commitment towards Hindutva. Yeddi was perceived as chance-maaru types.. ideologically speaking. I may be too idealistic and out of box here..

Yeddi may be chance maru type but he wasn't ousted for being corrupt but being "Akadu" towards rootless "Saffron Gandhis" of central BJP.

[VikramS]

Atriji:

Idealogical commitment should not be overemphasized. In fact in a diverse country like India, different colors co-exist and it is important to have a big enough tent.

[Muppalla]

All this party with difference is hogwash. I am telling again, there was an election regarding NaMo inside BJP and the folks are finding excuses to not declare it and not implement it. Inner party democracy is the first thing to tell about party with a difference.

[fanne]

Well I repeat - The only reason to for BJP to exist is to win election. It is not to uphold morality (Shri Ram, Shri Krishna, Ramayan, Geeta or even present day Matts and various Shankracharya job is to do that), to install discipline and sense or purpose or be ideologically pure (RSS, VHP) is there, or to be non corruptible (well no example from Kalyug Sorry, couldn't find one).
It is like, when Drona asked his student what do you see, they saw Gurus feet, all elders feet, the forest and the three and the bird and then it's eye. Nothing wrong in respecting your old ones and your guru, but Arjuna only saw eye of the bird, he did not see his Guru feet or saw the presence of elder one from the family. For an archer, that is what is important. All this talk about Morality vorality, castism wastism is BS. BJP should do what it should to win election, even if it means congressification (I wonder what is that). A congressified BJP winning election for the next 100 years is better than a 'Moral' BJP which looses election for the next 100 years, while the Italians rule us in the mean time.
rgds,
fanne

[member_20317]

Sushupti ji, Is Yeddi really a Kalyan Singh? I feel sorry for KS.. You may recall my posts supporting him earlier. I never felt the same for Yeddi. I have my own contacts and connections here and there and all of them are sort of - It is good that Yeddi was thrown out - he was pain in mushy. Same people were jolted when KS was humiliated.. I have never heard anyone questioning the integrity of KS about his commitment towards Hindutva. Yeddi was perceived as chance-maaru types.. ideologically speaking. I may be too idealistic and out of box here..

Yeddi is not a kalyan from Hindutva PoV. I was referring to the self destructive behaviour from both sides.

But then the perception of being chance-maaru should have stopped the central leadership from approaching him in the first place. Why was this the objection when Yeddi had to be eased out.

A good relationship could have taken Hindutva deeper into KA. Now because nobody really cooperated we have a situation where Kongis take the cake. Both the LKA team and Yeddi can go around on their respective high horses, one that of 'high morality' another that of 'revenge'. Eventually both have hurt the cause. Even if he was chance maaru that does not stop him from being a chance maaru at Hindutva and had Hindutva helped him he would hardly have strayed.


Meanwhile the Kongi chamchas take the potshots:

Aakar Patel : "This is seen, correctly, as his inability to influence national elections." Off course without any reasons being adduced. We are expected to just accept it as the words of buddhijeebi.

[Agnimitra]

this is some thing. Give Nityananda a pass, 'coz some in some western land gave church-walas a pass? why not do both, haul nityananda & deviant padres on coal? deviance is deviance.

btw, nityananda owns vast tracts of land in blr rural. this is an area, east of maddur, which for all its designation as rural, has not a grown seed in the last 20 years. all land there is either quarried, factories, or "resorts", and "ashrams", inlcuding farms of karunanidhi family and ap politicians. (p chidambaram also own lots of land in ka, but not in this area). but bulk of land owned by JDS and congress biggies and no sign of bjp. overwhelming bignames in ka politics, hdk, pgr scindhia, smk, deekeshi (DKS), all from this area. all of whom are atleast a few hundred crores worth. in this real estate gold mine, how the fukk did a tamilian fake swamy come to own such vast tracts of land? his advaita that good or what? random taatha in the bylanes of malleshwara can teach this guy shankara. in this climate how does a fake swamy thrive, when sundry temples of the real seer of tiruvannamalai, ramana maharshi, can barely meet their fiduciary obligations? want to stress again, no bjp in this area.

also there are p-number of swamis and mathas from various communities all over SoKA. Nobody cries over them, 'coz at the end of the day, they do some social work. none of the traditional KA mathas from any of the communities in this area. only fake swamis like nityananda there.

What crime Nityananda committed? Is having consensual sex (even if he did) a crime? Why was he arrested? What were the charges?

Why weren't the people who took video were arrested for breach of privacy?

Which law says it is wrong for Hindu trusts/maths to
1. Have consensual sexual relationships
2. Consensual sexual-tantric sadhana by adults
3. Take donation of and acquire lands and commercial holdings as long as necessary taxe paid?

RamaY ji, this is an interesting question. Here's my 2 cents:

I believe it is, or should be, a fundamental part of the moral and technical code of any school of mental or spiritual healing and development, that the integrity of the student's/patient's sense of reality must not be broken by the teacher/doctor. This means that at any stage of the student's development, the teacher must not break the agreement with the student's perception of reality. This also means that the teacher must not be drawn into the student's perception of reality but remain outside of it - while acknowledging it. Similarly, even if the student originates a view of reality that is disgusting or disappointing to the teacher, the teacher must not invalidate it, but merely acknowledge it and continue the process.

The burden of this moral code is on both, the teacher and the student. It is in both their interest to maintain agreement between themselves during the entire process. Because agreement is the basis of reality. But since the student is the subject of the process, he/she is going through a lot of subconscious material where he/she is not analytically clear. It is specifically the teacher's duty to guard the student's back, as the student turns inwards. In this process, the student will definitely go through various reactions towards the teacher - ranging from anger to propitiation. Just as the teacher must not be drawn into the student's anger, so also he must remain aloof from any act of propitiation. The student will definitely go through a stage of propitiation, wherein he/she will want to supplicate to the teacher and give gifts to the teacher, or in the case of a woman, will want to offer her body to him. This is observed across different schools, and is a matter of course. It is therefore a technical duty of best practice for the teacher to NOT take advantage or be drawn into that transaction, but to merely acknowledge the sentiment, repay the compliment, and continue with the process. that will raise the student on the scale of self-determinism and clarity, bringing forth genuine gratitude and love rather than propitiation and dependence.

Therefore, it is a technical imperative. Defenders of Nithyananda say that he had entrants to the ashram sign a contract acknowedging the possibility of "tantric" sex. But that "agreement" is nonsense, because of the state of the student entering the ashram. The student is in a state of propitiation, and this is a blatant case of taking advantage of a clinical weakness during a standard process.

Secondly, he claimed to be a sannyasin, and I am not aware of any order of sannyasa that includes "tantric" sex with students as part of its discipline.

If students want to practice tantric sex, they are free to do so with a suitable student partner. I do not see how it is healthy in any way for it to happen between student and a formally designated teacher of multiple pupils!

[Sanku]

Well I repeat - The only reason to for BJP to exist is to win election. It is not to uphold morality
All this talk about Morality vorality, castism wastism is BS. BJP should do what it should to win election, even if it means congressification (I wonder what is that). A congressified BJP winning election for the next 100 years is better than a 'Moral' BJP which looses election for the next 100 years, while the Italians rule us in the mean time.
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fanne ji, remind us again how such a BJP is better than Italians ruling us?

BTW, BJP is not going to find many takers with the above approach, people DO NOT see, Sonia's Italian origin as a problem.

As others said in the thread and LKA said in his recent piece, the public expectation and standards for BJP is different, if they want a congress like party, they already have the real mccoy and no wannabes are needed.

[saumitra_j]

Since this is a relatively active thread, Cross posting from Indian Interest thread

Folks,

Francois Gautier has created a museum of Indian History in Pune. I have not visited the place myself but plan to in my next visit to Pune. I found out on FB that they are in need for some money.You can check the details on fb on francois gautiers page.

Requesting you folks to donate something for the good cause.

PS: I am in NO way connected to Francois Gautier....I am like most of the folks here, a jingo who does not like what the JNU walas have done to this nation!

BTW, have any of you visited Ratnagiri? If you do go in those parts, please make it a point to visit the "Patit Pavan Mandir"... they have a small exhibition of all the Indian revolutionaries murdered by the British (aka hanged) as well as some of Savarkar's personal belongings. They also show a documentary on the social work done by Savarkar and it was quite an eye opener for me as a man labelled for Hindutva by all sides was one of the greatest social reformers of the Konkan area!

Many thanks,

Saumitra