Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

[SSridhar]

Chini Blother To Meddle In Inter- Ummah Tussle?

That either means that China wants to assert itself as the first hegemon in Asia or the US has quietly asked China to help (there are precedents like the US asking the USSR to strike a deal between India & Pakistan after the 1965 war or asking China to draft the UNSC resolution after Shakti II). Anyway, this should go to the China thread.

[Gagan]

Whatever China's motivations are, the Pakistanis are acting as their humble secretary with both sharifs going in to soothe the two parties and the bada sahib, cheena, to come in later for the photo-op.

Looks like KSA wants to have a final showdown with the Shias! Incredible, and incredulous!!!
They'll end up destroying everything! It'll really burn the entire middle east up!

[member_29325]

Xinping the Eleventh, leader of a country that strict rules against muslim-sounding names and has abolished the Quran is now going to be moderator between two sects of muslims? that's precious. The chinese have a vested interest in Pakistan not getting affected badly by getting caught in this Iran-KSA tussle. Chinese have plans for their paki slaves, and need to ensure they survive a KSA-Iran clash -- just like they let their other pet dog, NoKo bark at their competitors while ensuring that NoKo always survives to bark another day.

[Gagan]

KSA will listen to the chinese because of economic ties and N bums. KSA won't be a N weapon power unless China proliferates to them, even then the triggers / PAL codes will be with the chinese.

Iran, with its cordial relations with Russia and China will always consider china's opinion.

Pakistan is just china's kutta, going to smell the situation and report back, before the master makes his entry.

[shiv]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1028102/15- ... y-mistake/
A 15-year-old boy cut off his own hand believing he had committed blasphemy, only to be celebrated by his parents and neighbours for the act, police told AFP on Friday.

Wonder what would happen if they asked who admired Brinjej Ayesha, and his mijjile went up..

One hand is enough to pull the cord on a soosai vest.

[Shreeman]

^^ What? Now there is a chord? This is not a harmony concert and your life vest wont work in this landing. Djinn phyjiks has always ensured remote control. Who wants abdul to pull anything? He will be the first to go cut it by accident.

[Amber G.]

This New Yorker article asks:

Since 9/11, according to congressional reports, U.S. taxpayers have given Pakistan at least eighteen billion dollars, much of it to the military. Last year alone, the U.S. gave Pakistan $1.5 billion dollars. Isn’t it about time we asked ourselves whether this is a good idea?

I don't think it is posted here, so posting it. Nice article, written in an well-known newsmedia for US audience.
(Along with Bruce Riedel's it's nice article for American Audience)

The Pakistani Dystopia

newyorker.com
The Pakistani Dystopia
Jan. 15, 2016 4 min read original
(A picture)An Indian soldier stands guard near the Pathankot airbase, shortly after the base was seized by Pakistani militants.

Imagine a country that is embroiled in a long and bloody conflict with its neighbor, and each time its democratically elected Prime Minister tries to reach out and make peace, his own army launches an attack to make sure the peace doesn’t take hold. You might think you were trapped inside a dystopian movie. Unless, of course, you’ve been to Pakistan, where this happens all the time.

This week, Pakistani officials said they had detained Masood Azhar, the leader of Jaish-e-Mohammed, a militant group, for his alleged role in overseeing the attack on an Indian airbase in the city of Pathankot earlier this month. The attack left seven Indians dead. Jaish-e-Mohammed is one of several Pakistani militant groups whose members routinely cross into India and carry out attacks there, for the ostensible purpose of prying loose Jammu and Kashmir, India’s only Muslim-majority state.

Azhar’s detention is almost certainly a farce, staged to placate foreign leaders. If the past is any guide, Azhar, who has been detained many times before, will soon be free and able to carry out more attacks. This is the way it has worked in Pakistan for years.

The attack on the airbase in Pathankot, on January 2nd, came little more than a week after the Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, flew to Lahore to meet the Pakistani Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif, for a surprise summit. It was the first visit by an Indian leader to Pakistan in twelve years. By all accounts, the meeting went well. That’s an unqualified good; both countries possess nuclear weapons, and their unresolved disputes, especially over Kashmir, could have terrifying consequences. India and Pakistan have already been to war with each other four times.

So why would Pakistani-based fighters follow up a feel-good summit with a cross-border attack? Well, it wouldn’t be the first time, or the second, or even the third.

In 1999, Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee took a bus across the border to meet Sharif, and the two men pledged that peace would prevail between their two countries. Less than three months later, Pakistani soldiers, dressed up like jihadis, crossed the Indian border in the Himalayas and captured several Indian army posts. The Indian army repelled the invaders but the fighting, centered around the town of Kargil, came dangerously close to spinning out of control. It doesn’t appear that the Pakistani military, which orchestrated the attack, ever bothered to ask Sharif for permission.

In July, 2001, Vajpayee invited the Pakistani dictator Pervez Musharraf, who had recently declared himself Chief Executive after seizing power from Sharif in a military coup, to the Indian city of Agra to talk peace. Three months later, Pakistani-based guerrillas mounted an assault on the Jammu and Kashmir State Assembly building, and two months after that they launched a brazen attack on the Indian Parliament in New Delhi. Indian troops were nearly ordered to cross the border, but the crisis was defused.

In September, 2008, Pakistan’s first elected leader in nine years, President Asif Zardari, made a series of peaceful overtures to India. Two months later, Pakistan-based terrorists attacked the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel and other targets in Mumbai, killing more than a hundred and fifty people and wounding more than three hundred.

I’m not the first person to notice that Pakistani militants regularly try to sabotage peaceful relations between their country and India. Aparna Pande, at the Hudson Institute, has put together a chronology of these attacks.

But the important point is who backs, trains, tolerates and supports those militants: the Pakistani military and, most particularly, its spy service, known as the Inter-Services Intelligence, or the I.S.I.

For decades, the Pakistani military has backed insurgent groups whose express aim is to cross into India and fight. (The I.S.I. has also done this in Afghanistan, helping to create and sustain the Taliban.) The ostensible aim of these militant groups, and of the I.S.I., is to bleed India into ceding control over Kashmir. This has never been more than a fantasy, but it keeps the country of Pakistan focussed on something other than its intractable domestic problems, and it justifies the military’s bloated budgets.

That the I.S.I. plays godfather to groups like Jaish-e-Mohammed, which appears to have carried out the Pathankot attack, and Lashkar-e-Toiba, which launched the operation in Mumbai—the assault on the Indian Parliament appears to have been a joint operation of the two—is beyond doubt. It has been chronicled in great detail by the Pakistani journalist Ahmad Rashid, the former Pakistani ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani, and the former C.I.A. and N.S.C. analyst Bruce Riedel. Indeed, in the attacks on Mumbai and the Parliament, there was evidence that I.S.I. officials had provided direct support.

The attack on the base in Pathankot has especially lurid implications. Masood Azhar, who appears to have overseen it, was once imprisoned in India on charges of kidnapping Westerners there. In 1999, he was released at the demand of a group of terrorists—from yet another Pakistani-backed group—who hijacked Indian Airlines flight 814 and landed it in Afghanistan, which was then under Taliban rule. Once Azhar was released, I.S.I. encouraged him to set up his group Jaish-e-Mohammed, according to Rashid. (Among the others released from the Indian prison that day was Omar Saeed, the British-Pakistani militant who was later convicted for kidnapping and murdering the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.) Shortly after Azhar’s release, with the I.S.I. at his side, he toured Pakistan, raising money for the jihad against India.

Did the Pakistani military order Azhar to attack the Indian airbase in Pathankot? Maybe, maybe not. “The Pakistan Army feels like they can control these groups, but they have a mind of their own,” Haqqani told me. “They do what they want. Do they get a wink and a nod from the military? It seems quite likely.”

When Pakistani officials announced this week that they had detained Azhar on suspicion of involvement in the Pathankot attack, it raised the obvious question: How did they know where he was?

What is most remarkable is that the pattern never changes. The Pakistani military keeps backing militant groups, like Jaish-e-Mohammed, that keep pushing the subcontinent to the brink of war, and that keep undermining Pakistan’s fledgling democratic institutions.

Since 9/11, according to congressional reports, U.S. taxpayers have given Pakistan at least eighteen billion dollars, much of it to the military. Last year alone, the U.S. gave Pakistan $1.5 billion dollars. Isn’t it about time we asked ourselves whether this is a good idea?

[Amber G.]

Pakistan and North Korea’s Nuclear Extortion

Pakistan and North Korea’s Nuclear Extortion

Two troubled countries. Two similar strategies.

By Seth Oldmixon for The Diplomat

January 16, 2016

Two important and unsettling events took place earlier this month: North Korea claimed to have detonated a thermonuclear bomb, and India’s Pathankot airbase was the victim of an attack by Pakistan-based militants. While seemingly unrelated, the two events have more in common than readily apparent: Each fits a long established pattern of behavior intended to extort international concessions by exploiting global anxiety about nuclear terrorism.

The most immediate connection between these two events is the provenance of North Korea’s nuclear weapons program: Pakistani metallurgist A.Q. Khan, the man who stole nuclear secrets from his employer in Holland and passed them on to Pakistan’s military. In the 1990s, Pakistan sold nuclear weapons technology to North Korea, as well as Iran, Libya and possibly other states. A.Q. Khan was briefly held under house arrest until he received a full pardon from Pakistan’s military dictator and president Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Yet, there is another commonality between North Korea’s nuclear weapons program and a fidayeen attack on an Indian airbase: strategy.

Writing in Foreign Affairs, Sung-Yoon Lee and Joshua Stanton described North Korea’s foreign policy in this way: “Offer a fake overture of peace; raise the stakes for your foes with a provocation; act unstable and threaten to escalate even further; and finally, call for talks and act reasonable. Pyongyang seizes and maintains the initiative from beginning to end and leaves its adversaries anxious for negotiations in the face of provocations.”

Such a strategy should sound remarkably familiar to South Asia watchers, as it echoes the strategy employed by Pakistan.

The Hudson Institute’s Aparna Pande has chronicled four recent examples of Pakistan making overtures of peace, followed by a vicious jihadi attack, and finally culminating in the Pakistani government declaring its desire to proceed with peace talks so that the terrorists don’t win. The attack on Pathankot airbase also follows this pattern.

Increasingly, the Pathankot attack appears to have been carried out by jihadi militants associated with Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), a transnational terrorist organization founded by Masood Azhar under the patronage of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), the country’s premier military intelligence organization. After having been dormant for several years, JeM resurfaced in early 2014 when Masood Azhar addressed a rally well orchestrated in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir shortly after Gen. Raheel Sharif took over as Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff.

Gen. Raheel has declared a policy of “zero tolerance” for militancy, a position that he reiterates after each militant attack. In practice, however, certain militant groups are tolerated, if not directly sponsored by the military. Last year, the State Department praised Pakistan for following through on its international obligations to ban Islamist militant groups including the Haqqani Network and Jamaat-ud-Dawa, only to find out that the groups were not actually banned at all. Even nominally-banned groups, such as the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ), a virulent anti-Shia organization, are expanding.

This is no accident. Pakistani National Security Advisor Sartaj Aziz has openly admitted that the state has no interest in shutting down militant groups that it deems friendly to Pakistan’s interests. Well-meaning sympathizers accept the Pakistani contention that they can’t actually go after all militants because doing so would present an insurmountable threat – there are so many militants that taking them all on would destabilize the entire country, putting at risk its ever expanding nuclear arsenal. This conveniently ignores the fact that the problem is one of Pakistan’s own making.

Pakistan cultivated jihadi militant groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and JeM for decades both as force multipliers and proxy forces that can carry out attacks without the clear imprint of the state. The last part is key: Pakistan’s jihadi assets provide the cover of plausible deniability that allows the state to approach India or the U.S. and pretend that it is sincerely working to change the situation. The problem is that Pakistan’s jihadi monster has grown bold enough that it’s turned on its patron. Around 30,000 Pakistanis have been killed by jihadi militants, including over 1,000 in 2015. After militants killed 140 schoolchildren in 2014, Pakistan’s security establishment promised to change its ways, but “pro-Pakistan” militants have continued to flourish.

If North Korea’s international strategy is based on Richard Nixon’s “Madman theory” – the gamble that other countries will not risk provoking them for fear of an unpredictable and disproportionate response, Pakistan uses a slightly more sophisticated technique: “Good Cop, Bad Cop.” The “good cop” being the Pakistani state, the “bad cop” being jihadi militant groups. Pakistan promises to restrain its jihadis if only the U.S. or India will make certain concessions. As a result, the U.S. has provided Pakistan’s military with billions of dollars in cash payments and arms sales. In return, Pakistan has continued to support a variety of jihadi militant groups, including those responsible for attacks on American soldiers.

The White House has cast doubt on North Korea’s claims, saying that early evidence is inconsistent with the detonation of a thermonuclear device. Nevertheless, it is clear that North Korea is once again turning to its tried and true strategy to improve its negotiating position. Regarding Pakistan, White House Spokesman John Kirby told reporters following the Pathankot attack that “the Government of Pakistan has said publicly and privately that it’s not going to discriminate among terrorist groups.” Of course, Pakistan has said this before, and it will continue to so as long as Washington continues to believe them. And the cycle will repeat until either Washington decides to break it, or Pakistan finally loses control completely.

Seth Oldmixon is president of Oldmixon Group, a Washington, D.C. public affairs firm and the founder of Liberty South Asia, a privately funded campaign dedicated to religious freedom and political pluralism in South Asia.

[arun]

This New Yorker article asks:

Since 9/11, according to congressional reports, U.S. taxpayers have given Pakistan at least eighteen billion dollars, much of it to the military. Last year alone, the U.S. gave Pakistan $1.5 billion dollars. Isn’t it about time we asked ourselves whether this is a good idea?

I don't think it is posted here, so posting it.

New Yorker article was posted on the previous page of this thread : Clicky

Same being the case with the article by Seth Oldmixon in the Diplomat : Clicky

[Falijee]

Scientology Coming To Pakiland ?
Complete with web page, location and address in Krachi ! Now wait for the fireworks to start when the Aam Abduls or the Islamic authorities (Maulvis) or the local administration come to know of its existence (and history!)

[Falijee]

India To Seek US Help To Find Out If Pakistan Equipped Pathankot Attackers

NEW DELHI: The binoculars used by the six Pathankot militants were made in USA and have US Army markings. This suggests that either the Jaish-e-Mohammad stole them from one of the bases of US Army in Afghanistan or it was taken from Pakistan army, which also procures military equipment from the US.

After five days of intensive grilling of Gurdaspur SP Salwinder Singh in the Pathankot terror attack, the National Investigation Agency has decided to conduct a lie detection test on the officer as there are a lot of contradictions in his statements and the agency feels that he is also lying about certain things. Official sources said that the lie detection test will be conducted next week after taking the consent of the court and Salwinder Singh.

SP Salwinder Singh was on Friday confronted with his cook Madan Gopal and the caretaker of the Dargah he visited that night - Somraj.
Singh's car was hijacked by terrorists before they entered the Pathankot IAF base on the intervening night of December 31 and January 1.
The sources said bringing them face-to-face was necessary because of "conflicting statements". While Singh had told the Punjab police he frequently visited the shrine, Somraj claimed he had seen him for the first time hours before terrorists launched the brazen attack on the Pathankot facility.

[Falijee]

No one arrested, we are still in business, says Jaish-e-Mohammad

In its statement, the Jaish also lashed out at Pakistan’s government “which is friends with (Prime Minister Narendra) Modi, (former Deputy Prime Minister Lal Krishna) Advani, and (former Prime Minister Atal Bihari) Vajpayee”.

Pakistan-based jihadist group Jaish-e-Muhammad has rejected claims that its leader Maulana Masood Azhar has been arrested for his alleged role in the terror strike on the Pathankot airbase.
“Disbelievers and hypocrites across the world are celebrating our arrest,” a statement in Urdu said, “but the arrest never happened.”

The statement is technically correct as the "esteemed gentleman " has only been placed in "protective custody"

“Even if they happen, what difference will it make? No difference, except one. Allah willing, there will be more enthusiasm and excitement among people of the faith, and the work of jihad will gather more strength and energy,” said the statement, posted Thursday afternoon on a Facebook community used by the Jaish to communicate with media and followers. -

JEM is so confident of the support of the "Deep State" (as is the Lal Masjid cleric !) that no action can be taken against them for such statements of (Islamic) free speech!

New Delhi announced Thursday it will discuss dates for a meeting between the Foreign Secretaries of the two countries, earlier scheduled to be held on Friday. In private, though, an authoritative Indian government source told The Indian Express that the decision would be made “after assessing progress made in the investigation of the Pathankot attack”.

“We will settle all scores… We are not polytheists, who were born on the railway tracks, but the followers of Muhammad the Arab and the enlightened ones of Medina, suffused with the unity of Allah and intoxicated by the desire for martyrdom,” the Jaish said.
The statement came amidst a series of elliptical comments by Pakistani officials on reports of Azhar’s arrest. Khalilullah Qazi, spokesperson for Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said he was “not aware of such an arrest”.

India, the source said, was also told that Azhar had been kept in informal custody at a house in Islamabad, but that action would depend on evidence gathered during a future investigation.
Few specific details on the arrests were shared, but Pakistan’s NSA is understood to have assured Doval that investigators had followed up leads provided by New Delhi, including five phone numbers called by the terrorists in the hours before the Pathankot strike.
Pakistan is, however, yet to register a First Information Report related to the Pathankot attack, though it has set up a joint investigative team made up of police as well as civilian and military intelligence officials.

Remains to be seen if the Pakis are just "going through the motions" or they are serious this time

The organisation appeared, though, to have taken down the home pages of multiple Jaish websites, among them alqalaamonline.com, rangonoor.com and fathuljawwad.com. The sites’ content, however, remained available on the websites, though it could not be accessed through the home pages.
Journalists based in Karachi and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province told The Indian Express that magazines published by the Jaish were still available for sale.

[member_29325]

The binoculars used by the six Pathankot militants were made in USA and have US Army markings. This suggests that either the Jaish-e-Mohammad stole them from one of the bases of US Army in Afghanistan or it was taken from Pakistan army, which also procures military equipment from the US.

Another reprise of the missing grenade cap evidence happening clearly. Does every new Indian govt. regime have to repeat the same mistakes of the past in its dealings with pakistan? If the calculation is the India-US relations have changed, it would make sense, but it is still noisome to see that India has to depend on third parties to deal with pakistan, and furthermore still depends on pakistani legal system to function in favor of India.

[ramana]

India is putting US in a spot by making them disappear evidences. Once is happenstance but repeated shows culpability.

Soon US has to crak down on rogues who are supplyinh terrorists everywhere.

[sanjaykumar]

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... -muhammad/

This is surprising? Pakistan and Muslim terrorism.

Pakistanis are master abetors not master abaters

[Peregrine]

Pathankot attack: India says patience running thin over ‘Pakistan inaction’

NEW DELHI: India’s defence minister has said ‘Pakistan’s inaction’ against the alleged attackers of Mumbai and Pathankot has exhausted his country’s ‘patience’. “The world will see its results in next one year,” Manohar Parrikar said in a veiled threat on Saturday, according to India’s Zee News TV.

Parrikar was referring to the 2008 terrorist attack on Mumbai’s landmarks and the January 2, 2015 brazen assault on the Indian Air Force (AIF) Base in Pathankot, Indian Punjab. The Mumbai attack was blamed on the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group, while the outlawed Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM) has been accused of masterminding the Pathankot attack.

Parrikar’s statement came despite a commitment from Pakistan that it will fully cooperate with India on the Pathankot attack. The Pakistan government has already launched a crackdown against the JeM detaining dozens of activists and sealing its offices and seminaries across Punjab. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has also formed a high-powered committee that may travel to India to probe the Pathankot attack.

The Indian defence minister, however, said the Pakistani investigation team would not be allowed to enter the air base.

The attack came just a week after India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi made a surprise stopover at Lahore while flying back home from Afghanistan to wish his counterpart Nawaz Sharif on his birthday.

Before Modi’s brief trip, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj had visited Islamabad where she met her Pakistani counterpart Sartaj Aziz and announced to resurrect a moribund peace process between the two nuclear armed neighbours.

The foreign secretaries of the two countries were scheduled to meet on the 15 of this month in Islamabad. But the crucial meeting was put off to “the very near future,” according to Indian External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Vikas Swarup. Foreign secretaries S Jaishankar of India and Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry of Pakistan spoke by phone on Thursday about rescheduling the talks.

UN, US favour diplomacy

The international community has called upon the two countries not to allow terrorists to derail the normalisation process between them.

The United States said on Friday it should come as a shock to no one that terrorist groups would try to undermine the Indo-Pak peace process by carrying out attacks, as it encouraged the two countries to continue the dialogue.

“It should come as a shock to no one that terrorist groups will try to undermine those sorts of efforts by conducting spectacular attacks, to sow fear and to hopefully sow doubt in the minds of national leaders towards a level of cooperation that can have a practical effect,” State Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters in Washington.

“Obviously, we don’t want to see that happen and we are encouraged by the dialogue that has recently taken place between India and Pakistan, and we’d like to see that continue,” Kirby said, referring to the Pathankot attack.

He said the United States wanted India and Pakistan to “continue to have a dialogue and to continue to look for ways to cooperate against a common threat. We talked about this not long ago at a recent conversation between both Prime Ministers Nawaz Sharif and Narendra Modi”.

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has also advised diplomacy between Islamabad and New Delhi. Asked by a reporter about the on-again, off-again interactions between the two South Asian neighbours, Ban’s spokesperson Stephane Dujarric said, “Advice of the secretary general would always be for ‘on’ in order to support the talks.”

“Obviously, there are circumstances that are involved,” Dujarric said, “but he has been supportive of the dialogue between the leaders of Pakistan and India to resolve the outstanding issues.
Cheers

[Falijee]

Raj Kapoor’s birthplace in Peshawar partially demolished by owner

Nothing new here; as one famous (Nobel- Laureate ) author - in his seminal work - observed , ( in his travels in Islamic countries ) that in converted societies (like this one ), nothing is sacred except the Sands of Arabia !

[Falijee]

India to install laser wall alongside Indo-Pak border

NEW DELHI (Web Desk) – India has announced to install laser wall alongside Indo-Pak border.
Indian Home Ministry has decided to install the laser wall at places where a fence cannot be applied, Indian media reported.
A loud siren will go on from the laser wall which will be setup at the river or stream in case any person or thing passes through it.
Indian media has claimed that laser wall has already been put in at six out of forty points.
Indian authorities havealleged provided evidence that Pathankot airbase attackers reached their country after crossing River Uj from Bamiyal.

[saip]

^^ I hope it is a uni directional killer laser wall. Any pig from paki side gets baconized.

[member_29325]

saip, a laser beam that kills people would require a lot of energy -- this is just detection using laser, which requires very little power. as in breaking a light beam. Excellent idea, IMO. The paki scum cannot disable these lasers without cutting the fence, unless they can reach the fence without tripping the laser...the arrangement of the laser beams would have to be sound in order to ensure that pakis cannot work around them. Some sort of dynamic laser sensors controlled by a computer would have to be in play, as static sensors can be gamed.

[Paul]

Raj Kapoor’s birthplace in Peshawar partially demolished by owner

Nothing new here; as one famous (Nobel- Laureate ) author - in his seminal work - observed , ( in his travels in Islamic countries ) that in converted societies (like this one ), nothing is sacred except the Sands of Arabia !

Interestingly Agha Khan foundation has preserved Dilip Kumar's home in Peshawar and has been turned into Heritage site. Dilip Kumar is not an Ismaili either.

Shows the slimy attitude of the Agha Khan.

The current branch of Kapoors are turning into Dhimmified version of Hindus. So no need to shed tears for them.

[shiv]

Why did butt hurt Bakis withdraw JF-17 Bundaar from Bahrain airshow?

[saip]

saip, a laser beam that kills people would require a lot of energy -- this is just detection using laser, which requires very little power. as in breaking a light beam. Excellent idea, IMO. The paki scum cannot disable these lasers without cutting the fence, unless they can reach the fence without tripping the laser...the arrangement of the laser beams would have to be sound in order to ensure that pakis cannot work around them. Some sort of dynamic laser sensors controlled by a computer would have to be in play, as static sensors can be gamed.

Perhaps a KALI 8000 Version 12?
(You can always dream, can't you?)

[member_29325]

Perhaps a KALI 8000 Version 12?

Pretty sure that will be a reality as soon as skynet becomes operational.

[Gagan]

Putting lasers is an admirable effort, but there will be deliberate triggers by animals.

One thing that is obvious is that the Paki rats are scared shitless once they cross over. This is the direct result of the indoctrination, that the yindoos kill and maim and so on...
The rats are on the edge, virtually crapping in their shalwars, and need drugs and stimulants to hold their sanity. They are crying and firing away in sheer terror once they encounter the security forces in the valley.

Now that Pakistan has tried Pathankot - which failed, and a simultaneous attack on the consulate in afghanistan, what now? India will respond, wonder kiska number ayega?

[member_29325]

good point, gaganji. Having these lasers wired to video cameras that transmit images instantly about what tripped the alarm can reduce wasted effort when animals and non-threats trigger these laser sensors.

[ArmenT]

Why did butt hurt Bakis withdraw JF-17 Bundaar from Bahrain airshow?

They've withdrawn it from the airshow entirely?? I thought they were going to present it as a static display only. Did that change recently?

[Kashi]

Why did butt hurt Bakis withdraw JF-17 Bundaar from Bahrain airshow?

Wouldn't put it past the Pakis to plan a terror attack at the airshow. So getting their precious bandars out of the way..

[member_29325]

China-Bahrain Relations

More likely that the Chinese did not want the pakis doing any sales to the Bahraini govt. behind their backs, and want to be in control of their relationship with Bahrain/KSA... or (after seeing deejay's post) the bandaar is not yet ready for prime time and chinese don't want it to crash and burn during the air show (which is probably the most likely reason). JF17 has been a piece of cr@p for a long time,not withstanding paki and chinese claims on its awesomeness.

Furthermore, on the issue of political stability, China’s position largely corresponds to that of the Bahraini and Saudi governments. Through its strong support for Bahrain’s sovereignty and political stability, China has conveyed an indirect message to Iran that it does not support any instability in the Gulf, a stance that appears to be much appreciated by Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.

[deejay]

Why did butt hurt Bakis withdraw JF-17 Bundaar from Bahrain airshow?

They've not withdrawn from the airshow, if I understood correctly. They are merely not putting up a flying display.

It is possible that the bundarpilot reported sick enroute to Bahrain.

[shiv]

Why did butt hurt Bakis withdraw JF-17 Bundaar from Bahrain airshow?

They've not withdrawn from the airshow, if I understood correctly. They are merely not putting up a flying display.

It is possible that the bundarpilot reported sick enroute to Bahrain.

I can imagine the local mullah and the Paki Air chief calling him and telling him - "Unless you pull 10 Gs all through that display we will have a grave dug and ready for you."

[Gagan]

Bandar pilot did a lawhore-via-kuwait, doesn't want to go to Bahrain-via-Pindi.

Maybe they'll just have a static display

[Falijee]

The Indian defence minister, however, said the Pakistani investigation team would not be allowed to enter the air base.

IMO, The Paki " investigation team" (if, it ever comes to India) will seize on this frivolous excuse, and insist that "investigation cannot be completed unless access is allowed to the location ! (as has happened before, to forestall serious inquires)

[Falijee]

Mush Off The Hook -In Bugti Murder Case
ATC acquits Pervez Musharraf in Akbar Bugti murder case

QUETTA: An anti-terrorism court (ATC) in Quetta on Monday acquitted former president General Pervez Musharraf in a case pertaining to the alleged murder of former Baloch nationalist leader Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti.
Now wait for the "bragging" to start from his Karachi base; TV interviews and what not !
The court also acquitted former provincial home minister Mir Shoaib Nosherwani and Qaumi Watan Party (QWP) chief and member of National Assembly Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao.

After the announcement of the decision by ATC-1 Judge Jan Muhammad Gohar, the lawyer representing Jamil Bugti, Sohail Rajput, announced his decision to challenge the judgment of the court.
"We are not satisfied with this judgement and we will challenge it," Rajput told reporters outside court.

The ATC court, noticing the absence of other co-accused, issued permanent arrest warrants for former premier Shaukat Aziz,( so, is this side-kick of the Kammundu, is now a permanent persona non grata in Pakiland - like the "poor" Hussein Haqqani ) former governor of Balochistan Owais Ahmed Ghani and former DCO Dera Bugti Samad Lasi for not appearing before the court despite repeated notices pertaining to Bugti murder case.

Jamil Akbar Bugti, had earlier nominated? Gen Musharraf, Aziz, Ghani, former chief minister the late Jam Mohammad Yousuf, former interior minister Aftab Sherpao, former home minister Mir Mohammad Shoaib Nausherwani and Mr Lasi in the FIR registered at the Dera Bugti police station.

Musharraf is also on bail in other major cases ( but "enjoying" life to the fullest !)linked to his time in power including the 2007 assassination of Benazir Bhutto, Lal Masjid and judges detention case.

One down, and three more to go; lawyers must be "raking" a fortune from this client

The death of the Baloch chieftain had sparked angry protests in parts of the country.

Not to mention, the revival of the Balochi insurgency and a call for an Independent Balochistan !

[Falijee]

India’s top five sources (Of money being sent back) are the United Arab Emirates, the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Kuwait
The Difference Between Indian and Chinese Migrants

Indian and Chinese people working abroad sent more money home than migrants from any other country this year, but their remittance patterns are radically different.

Where’s all this money coming from? The report digs deeper into the data and shows how China and India differ in terms of the sources of their remittance riches.
China gets its largest chunks from the United States, Hong Kong, Japan, Canada and South Korea.
India’s top five sources are the United Arab Emirates, the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Kuwait.

Is this outflows from Pakhsanistan for (Indian imports) via UAE and inwards to India ; can some forumites explain; also, the hawala inflows, which are probably substantial are not included here

Although Indians send more in total, Chinese migrants are more generous individually, the remittance data suggests.
On average, Chinese migrants tend to send about 30% more money home per person than Indians. Average annual remittances were around $5,000 for Indians and more than $6,500 for Chinese.
In terms of the level of education migrants have reached, India and China are similar. The data in the World Bank report suggests that more than 15% of migrants from both countries had college educations. That compares to less than 10% of the migrants from Mexico, Russia and Pakistan.

So no = = here

People from the Philippines were one of the best-educated large migrant groups. Close to 25% of Filipinos working abroad have been to college.

[Gagan]

Again with regard to the remittances from Pakistan to India, the mullahs be like

Lahore-via-Kuwait !!!

Except it is literally that!

[Falijee]

Isloo Being Turned Into A ( High Tech ) Garrison City
Maybe, the Jernails and Kernals are purchasing insurance in advance of a "Taliban- like Invasion" or an future insurrection by the Aam Abduls, like the Russian Revolution

[shiv]

Isloo Being Turned Into A ( High Tech ) Garrison City
Maybe, the Jernails and Kernals are purchasing insurance in advance of a "Taliban- like Invasion" or an future insurrection by the Aam Abduls, like the Russian Revolution

Major components of safe city project are

Bomb proof 2,900 square meter command center building
1950 surveillance cameras
500 km fiber optic
eLTE 4-G network
Computer aided dispatch system and other software including facial recognition, vehicle management system etc.

That should tell you where the first 3 Indian nukes should go after the next terrorist attack

[Falijee]

Pakjab Govt. I.T. ( Not International Terrorism !) Board Releases Video Game Based On APS Attack Inciting Hatred Against Pashtuns
Review: This Army Public School attack game fails on every front

In an attempt to honour the valour of Pakistan Army soldiers, the Punjab IT Board last month released an Android game themed on the Peshawar Army Public School attack in December 2014.
This first-person shooter (FPS) game titled 'Pakistan Army Retribution' is based on the tragedy, when terrorists massacred 144 pupils in what was the country's most brutal terror attack. A quick responseAs much as some would argue the desire to tackle an attacker, visiting the school in this virtual manner is in poor taste. The Peshawar attack was a tragedy that holds national significance since it sent the entire nation into trauma. Any recreation of the carnage that day seems insensitive. from the army is said to have restrained the damage but not before the attackers claimed hundreds of innocent lives.

Instead of promoting inter-ethnic unity, the glorification of the Paki fauj is nothing less than a repeat of the earlier" East Pakistan like situation ".

Whether or not a game should have been designed around the Army Public School massacre is a different debate altogether. (for a govt to "make money" of a tragedy, is itself a tragedy and speaks volumes of the warped priorities of this administration ) ]No one, especially families of the victims, would ever want to re-live that dark day. But oddly enough, the developers decided to recreate those moments for a gaming experience.

s much as some would argue the desire to tackle an attacker, visiting the school in this virtual manner is in poor taste. The Peshawar attack was a tragedy that holds national significance since it sent the entire nation into trauma. Any recreation of the carnage that day seems insensitive.

[Falijee]

India must do more to back Balochistan Struggle

The magnitude of atrocities inflicted by the Pakistani establishment on the Baloch people is unimaginable, says Dr Abhay Jere.
On December 25, Prime Minister Narendra Modi made a surprise stopover in Pakistan to wish Nawaz Sharif on his birthday and the entire world took cognisance of the camaraderie between the two leaders.
Back in India, many observers were cautious as they genuinely believed that this goodwill generated by our PM's magnanimous gesture would be shortlived and the Pakistan army would never allow the political leadership in Pakistan to emerge powerful.
Observers also believed that the Pakistan army in coordination with terrorist organisations would certainly make every possible attempt to sabotage the positive development in the India-Pakistan relationship to safeguard its vested interests.( which include looting Balochistan's mineral wealth and "selling" the land to the Chinese !)/quote]

Within eight days of that visit, the Pathankot airbase was attached by terrorists, thus creating again an environment of uncertainly and jeopardising all the gains and goodwill...

The media is banned from entering Balochistan and negative reports are suppressed immediately. According to some estimates, since 2000, more than 20,000 Baloch people (including about 5,000 children) have been kidnapped and/or killed by the army. Minorities, especially Hindus, have been specially targeted and killed.

Under British rule, Balochistan was divided into four princely states. As per the Pakistani version (disputed by many), three of the princely states -- Makran, Las Bela, Kharan -- decided to merge with Pakistan. But the Khan of the biggest princely state, the state of Kalat, Mir Ahmad Yar Khan, respected his people's sentiments and decided against a merger with Pakistan.

The state of Kalat was declared independent on August 11, 1947 as the people of Kalat were completely against the idea of joining Pakistan. Kalat functioned as an independent democratic country for about eight months.

After the formation of Pakistan, Mohammad Ali Jinnah formally requested Kalat to merge into Pakistan. On December 16, 1947, Kalat's elected representatives debated Pakistan's request for merger in their parliament and unanimously rejected it. The people of Kalat believed that although they are Muslims, they are socially and culturally very different from Punjabi Muslims who dominated Pakistan's polity.
As soon as Kalat rejected Pakistan's request for a merger, Jinnah ordered the Pakistan army to invade and annex Kalat. The army forced/coerced then then ruler Ahmadyar Khan to sign a treaty of accession against the will of the majority. Ahmadyar Khan tried everything possible to prevent the accession to Pakistan.

Everytime, Pakistan brings up Kashmir in international forums, this little known fact should be publicizied.

Even today, the Baloch people don't consider themselves Pakistani and have been struggling for their freedom for the last 66 years. They still celebrate August 11 as 'Independence Day' and consider March 27, the day on which the state of Kalat was annexed by Pakistan, as a 'Black Day.'

One thing which the Indian media certainly needs to learn from the Pakistani media -- its continuous pursuit of keeping Kashmir in the news has been used very strategically by the Pakistani establishment to engage with the international community.
Why can't the Indian media tirelessly pursue the issues of human rights violations in Balochistan? Why can't we emerge as the most credible source of information regarding the injustice done to the Baloch people?
India needs to ascertain that the world community takes cognisance of these atrocities and by continuously engaging with global agencies, we should ensure that the future is bright for the next generation of the Baloch people which necessarily need not be with Pakistan.