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People in the crowd seem to have a good comprehension of Hindi. Even before the translation in Malayalam the crowd was responding.
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strange no channel is showing #NamoInKerala huge crowd in TVM. BJP needs its own Channel for sure. Modi thrashing Communists.
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MaharathiArjun wrote:strange no channel is showing #NamoInKerala huge crowd in TVM. BJP needs its own Channel for sure. Modi thrashing Communists.
http://live1.asianetnews.tv/
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@svenkat
That looks like our BR Mod SSridhar's letter. Wondering how it made to publication.

On the Chennai meet, no way the crowd will be in lakhs. The ground is small and should hold something like 50-75k max. The preparations were in full flow for more than a week. However, still an impressive crowd. Modi also visited the SRM university for their convocation today. The University is owned by Pachaimuthu, whose IJK is an alliance partner.

I left Chennai passing the ground on Wednesday evening and returned from a tour of Tiruchi and Mayavaram area. BJP and Modi's poster was there in all major towns I visited with the call for the rally stating Modi and Ponnar (Pon Radhakrishnan) azhaikirar. Never seen such posters, flags of BJP even during the heights of Vajpayee's popularity. Whatever Modi may achieve, he has succeeded in energizing the cadre even in a state like TN where the membership in a town may not exceed the list of people's in a poster or cut out for the party.

The attack on Chidu will have warmed the hearts of amma as there was one rumour in the local gossip section that Chiddu was having a track 2 with Modi and one of the reason that amma was not aligning with Modi.
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Modi looks pumped up in Kerala todin.
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Sound is very poor. Wonder if it is so there or only on youtube, whoever is broadcasting. Can't make out a thing. Hear some Davalayas' names..
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Sridhar K wrote:The attack on Chidu will have warmed the hearts of amma as there was one rumour in the local gossip section that Chiddu was having a track 2 with Modi and one of the reason that amma was not aligning with Modi.
That's incredible. How did people come to believe this.

Modi will easily become a munh-bola bhai (rakhi brother) to both Amma and Behenji even after losing badly to them but he will never have any truck with Chidu.

About the people who consider this Modi-chidu track 2, do they also speak of BJP == Congress?
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poor poor showing by NaMo media team , and shame on MSM, even youtube link is of bad reception.
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Another thing incredible. :rotfl:

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it is a testcase and backbone of indigenous military power and political poorna swaraj.

not having a domestic 155 is like having a octupus spine - something which the congis have kept us in for 60 years.
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recount chindu claims he never asked for recount , even says it never happened, this on TV

Now who is lying
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@ashishtikoo31 2m
Modi finishes his speech. People still want him to continue. Chants of Modi Modi Modi Modi Modi Modi.. Too loud. #NaMoInKerala
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was it live? How did I miss it?
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Shri Narendra Modi addressing a Public Meeting in Kochi on Feb 9 organised by Kerala Pulayar Mahasabha (KPMS)



Modi's speech in Chennai rally on Feb 8 (Saturday)

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@Krishnan
Yes. Chiddu never officially asked for a recount but every one knows in TN about Chiddu's recounting and what ever he says to English Channel does not mean anything in TN. The grapevine was that he went with the issue to Dr. Artiste who fixed the opposing candidate to agree for a recounting and a settlement was made.

@ravi sir
TN politics is slightly different. People see politics as a business opportunity and nobody is considered kosher. People don't know much about Modi's character but they all know that Chiddu will do anything to protect himself. Heard the same people talk that he may be ending up in jail if Modi comes to power and would do anything to hedge himself.

Congress==BJP is there but not in the context of how it is in Delhi or how AAP is defining it. It is == from the perspective of a both being a pan India party without a local identify. People don't have experience of them in administrative capacity for the past 50 odd years in TN for them to comment and hence the relationship is at the secondary level.

With the rapidly changing demographics of east and south eastern TN with native Hindus moving to Chennai, Bangalore and abroad with Muslims back filling every town and village, potentially see a scope for BJP in future TN.
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Hope the man is getting some good sleep and not neglecting meals. That's an exhausting series of rallies in 2 or 3 days.
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people have started knowning about Modi's achievements
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atleast our driver is ready to give a chance to him
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Krishnan did you read dinamalar? Especially the commrnts section? I am kinda busy, I can post the gist of the article. Like you say modi is gaining visibility in TN. 2 more visits can yield 3-4 seats. The TN meet was organized badly. People had to walk 6km.
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problem is there is no place inside city , only place is marina, but dunno whether they will get permit, there is no proper place inside city to organize this kind of visits
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Today NaMo delivered emotional and moving speech in Kochi Kerala.

folks, anyone knowing Malyalam, can please confirm if translator of speech was able to translate those emotions??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NzVyht0aAg
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The choice of the venue at Vandalur was bad. For the past few years, the traffic on the 4 lane road to Chinglepet has grown up by leaps and bounds and there is usually a huge traffic jam prior to the ground and a few kms after the ground. I drive down across the place every weekend and it has become a pain navigating the stretch. Plus there was hardly any place nearby to park the vans and buses which had plied people from across the state. So, Police would have asked them to park the vehicle at a convenient place but unfortunately, there was none close by to that ground.

Not sure what would have been a better alternative. Permissions for such huge rallies within Chennai city is not being given and parties are asked to host them in suburbs. Looking at the venue while on my trip down south, I was worried about the security as the stage is visible from the roads. Incidentally, VCK party had filed an affidavit in the court that the permission to the rally should be cancelled as the place was bad for such a huge rally.
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MaharathiArjun wrote:poor poor showing by NaMo media team , and shame on MSM, even youtube link is of bad reception.
Yes, a major phuck-up there. The TVM rally sound quality is extremely poor.

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I just saw a news ticker about Modi saying that Dalits and OBCs will rule India in 10 years? Whats that supposed to mean? If true this is very disappointing but knowing DDM, I am not holding my breath.
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Yogi_G wrote:I just saw a news ticker about Modi saying that Dalits and OBCs will rule India in 10 years? Whats that supposed to mean? If true this is very disappointing but knowing DDM, I am not holding my breath.
listen here. That's not what he said. He said "agle dus aap hee logon ki churcha chalne wali hai".
http://youtu.be/9NzVyht0aAg
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The political calculus
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When three MLAs from the Left and three from Congress switched sides to send a fourth Trinamool candidate to the Rajya Sabha last week, they were signalling something more significant than the variable role of money in public life. They delivered a political message: the Left Front was dying, and Congress was comatose in Bengal.The CPI(M) is still alive, although not well, but it is time to draft notes on an obituary for the Left Front, a coalition of principal and junior partners who built up one of the most extraordinary political machines in modern history. The CPI(M) still has the strength to wave the red flag, but small parties who added incremental, but critical, percentages to its vote share are being squeezed out of political margins.The great churn in Bengal makes sense if you know how to decipher the emerging political mathematics. Mamata Banerjee is the new establishment, and will remain there for the next few years, but the Marxists are no longer in command of opposition space. This is not merely because their organisation has imploded. A party built on a cadre system can always replenish its ranks once it emerges from the shell-shock of defeat. Its problem is that it has not been able to refurbish its ideological narrative, let alone offer an alternative one.

Mamata Banerjee can get away with populism because she has not promised anything else. Her challenge is to practice what she preached, but she still has the luxury of time. Not as much time as she or her party thinks, but not as little as the Marxists would wish either. The Marxists, however, cannot be sanguine. When they were in power their threat came from Mamata Banerjee. Now that they are in opposition, the danger to their fortunes is from BJP.This is the meaning of Narendra Modi’s successful rally at the Brigade Parade Ground in Kolkata. Not too long ago, BJP leaders would be awash in self-congratulation if their enthusiasts filled an indoor stadium. In this election season, saffron was visible at a venue that was once dominated by the red flag and now flies the green standards of Mamata.The BJP is not a worry for Mamata Banerjee. But the left could cede territory in Bengal if it does not revive, and quickly. We are not talking of any dramatic leap forward; BJP is not going to win too many seats in the state this year. But its rising support will be evident when votes are counted. A political party moves a bit like an army. Defeat can degenerate into collapse if commanders are unable to rally troops in adversity. But any advance can only happen in stages. Marxists thrive on dialectics. They should be able to understand this quite easily.The Bengal Congress has lost its connect with Bengal. At best, Congress is playing hop-scotch, jumping from one square to another. In the Rajya Sabha elections, it joined forces — unsuccessfully — with the left. Simultaneously, it is sending desperate private messages to Mamata for an electoral alliance on any terms. Beggars, as the proverb puts it, can’t be choosers. If Congress and Left Front MLAs believed that their parties had a chance of victory this year, there would not have been any defection
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Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:Today NaMo delivered emotional and moving speech in Kochi Kerala.

folks, anyone knowing Malyalam, can please confirm if translator of speech was able to translate those emotions??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NzVyht0aAg
Excellent link - I am listening to it now.

KLPDubey'ji (why that handle! :eek: )., the venue was big but has extremely poor acoustics. The sound echo'es back and then echo'es again. Now on top of it there are pauses for the translation.

Anyway, Modi was in his element and the speech has to be carefully transcribed - DO NOT TRUST WHAT *DDM* WRITES. They do not understand how Modi connects given that they are suffering from DDMitis.
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Speaking of RecountMinister



Why Chidambaram is a disaster as finance minister
From the top-most corporate honchos to the 'aam aadmi' in Delhi's Chandni Chowk area, there is near unanimity that Chidambaram, the great economic pundit that he is, has presided over the ruin of the national economy.

By all accounts, the economy is in the worst crisis since the start of the liberalisation process in the early 1990s. It will be a miracle if growth touches the five percent mark this year.

As for Modi, well, the people of Gujarat cannot be fools, having elected him thrice in a row on the back of a very sound management of the state's economy.

Now, if you said that economic experts like Chidamabram are dime-a-dozen, and, you may like to include in that list Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his alter ego Montek Singh Ahluwalia as well, but non-experts who actually do an excellent job of managing the economy, for instance, Modi in Gujarat, are hard to come by, you wouldn't be entirely wrong.

Small wonder, then, there is a buzz in the country about Modi while Chidambaram is hard put to locate a safe seat for himself which will return him to Parliament.

By the way, whether he won his parliamentary seat last time around fairly and squarely is a question that is yet to be settled by the courts, though his five-year term is about to end.

Since we lay no claim to being economic experts, certainly not in the league of Chidambaram who has the unusual ability to sell 'Dream Budgets which eventually turn out to be nightmares for the health of the economy, we will stick to the reported facts.

Let us begin with the furious pace with which the finance minister is engaged in passing the burden of the election-eve goodies to the next government.

In order to earn brownie points for containing the fiscal deficit within the budgeted 4.8 percent of the GDP, he is leaving a huge burden of unpaid bills for the next government.

The under-recoveries of the oil marketing companies alone are said to be over Rs 1.4 lakh crore.

Three more LPG cylinders, granted as per the wishes of Rahul Gandhi, will add another Rs 5,000 crore to that Rs 1.4 lakh crore bill on account of LPG, diesel, kerosene subsidies, but which Chidambaram would pass on to the next government.

This business of rolling over the expenses to cook up the budget figures is akin to a man who borrows from A to pay B and then tells them to settle the issue between themselves while he himself seeks to leave the scene.

Chidambaram may not be even an MP when the next government is formed, considering media reports which said that because of the strong anti-Congress, anti-Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam mood in Tamil Nadu he may opt out of the race altogether.

But he is making sure that his successor in finance does not have an easy time clearing the mess after him.

Even on meeting the budgeted target on current account deficit, Chidambaram has indulged in underhand practices. For, the ten percent duty on gold imports only officially reduced the import of yellow metal, but unofficially it caused a huge spurt in its smuggling.

Encouragement to the hawala trade was a clear outcome of the harsh duty on gold imports. Realising his error, he now says he might reduce the duty on gold in March.

Why March? Because in February he would have exercised the boasting rights in Parliament that he had succeeded in bringing down the trade deficit to the budgeted limits.

It is the same 'After me, the deluge' syndrome at work.
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From the top-most corporate honchos to the 'aam aadmi' in Delhi's Chandni Chowk area, there is near unanimity that Chidambaram, the great economic pundit that he is, has presided over the ruin of the national economy.
Not once, twice. He always precided over cuts to defense. There is no need of Sonia maam's involvement. He is a direct reason for India going down several times. The crappy Deva Gowda/IKG governments are also financial mess due this one individual. He may have done worse for India than all those foreign looters who made India poor in the history.
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Muppalla wrote:Not once, twice. He always precided over cuts to defense. There is no need of Sonia maam's involvement. He is a direct reason for India going down several times. The crappy Deva Gowda/IKG governments are also financial mess due this one individual. He may have done worse for India than all those foreign looters who made India poor in the history.
But, but, vinaji said it was Pranabda who was the culprit in destroying the economy.
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Modi’s Guwahati rally biggest since ’80s (TOI)
GUWAHATI/IMPHAL: When BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi declared that the country's Northeast must be set in order to ensure the rest of the country fares better citing the principles of vastu-shastra, his remark was met with a roar of approval.

It turns out the public chorus in agreement with Modi was no ordinary one; experienced political observers affirmed that the gatherings in Imphal and Guwahati on Saturday were among the largest witnessed; in Assam since the 1980s when the anti-foreigner agitation was on; and, in Imphal, at one lakh plus, the biggest ever. This, when the saffron party is yet to make its presence felt in Assam and the surrounding provinces.
Imphal, which rarely gets to see turnouts higher than 20,000, surprised itself by recording the largest gathering ever for a speech by a national-level leader. "In our earlier poll rallies, the maximum turnout was 20,000. Saturday's rally was attended by about one lakh people. It's a Modi wave," Manipur BJP secretary L Bashanta Sharma said.

According to sociologist Chandan Sarmah, Modi overshadowed his party and it was his personality that was the crowd-puller. As in other parts of the country, people in Assam and Manipur are desperately looking for someone who can deliver, he said.

"The countrywide wave has been triggered by the belief that Modi can deliver. This wave is also sweeping across these two states," Sarmah said.
Folks... this is a wave. Make no mistake. The agenda for the election is set. It is slowly but surely becoming one that is NM's to lose....
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People can now see through the masks of agents
working through and for foreign powers and interests


Allahabad, Jan. 31Fri, 2014: Arvind Kejriwal, during the past 1½ - 2 years, came before the society as a leader of agitations for India Against Curruption (IAC) and Jan Lokpal Bill, and later on he floated a political party. Taking advantage of the declining popularity of the Congress Party and deluding the people, Kejriwal has come to assume power in Delhi . Today the whole country is askance as to which superpower stands behind Kejriwal’s coming to power? Increasingly it is becoming plain that behind Kejriwal there is the big hand of the Ford Foundation of USA and its supporter the American intelligence agency the CIA. Under the cover of civil society, Kejriwal and his comrades, with their demands, have been thrashing about. The so-called ‘Civil Activists’ or members of the ‘Civil Society’ are part of a vast organization namely the World Social Forum. The formation and growth of the ‘World Social Forum’ took leaps through the leftist thinkers whose world leadership had abandoned communism after the decline and disintegration of the Communist Russia in the 1990s.

Ever since the western world has set foot in Bharat, since then and even after the independence of Bharat, their firm grip on the Bharatiya market and national policies has still been continuing. Being petrified by the growing power of Narendra Modi they had a feeling that the Congress, through which they were so easily manipulating the national policies and the Bharatiya market, was sliding to the abyss, then through the Ford Foundation they pooled all those forces that can prevent Narendra Modi from becoming the leader of Bharat. Today, various institutions in Bharat, violent Naxalite organizations, violent Jihadi organizations and fast-growing foreign-funded TV channels and their directors and handlers and journalists and the activists of thousands of NGOs here receiving direct or proxy aid from the Ford Foundation, Rockfeller Foundation, Clinton Foundation, etc., have turned up as the Kejriwal’s Party (AAP) to serve the interests of America. The Anglo-American power is solely working behind its attractive slogans like ‘Corruption-free India ”.

The way the government running under the authority of Soniaji has brought Bharat to its economic predicament, that has made their downfall sure and under these circumstances the Aam Admi Party (AAP) has been floated as their political accessory and servo in the 2014 general elections. When the AAP prides itself of fielding over 300 candidates in the coming parliamentary elections, every Bharatiya citizen wants to know the powers standing behind them. Kejriwal has been given the Magsasay Award. The Ford Foundation tries to give this award to those people who can work for American interests.

A few days ago a lady from America Simrit Lee by name came to Bharat to assess as to who could actually sincerely work for American interests in Bharat. This lady was sent to other countries also where the big force of Ford Foundation has been working in the form of NGOs. This lady had presented a report as to how could the power of Ford Foundation be successful against Hosni Mubarak in Egypt . In other countries also she has made extensive and intensive explorations as to what could be the grounds to remove the existing governments and how could the people serving American interests come to power. Any semblance or inkling of the slogan of ‘Corruption-free India ’ of Kejriwal is nowhere to be found in his personal behaviour as yet. After being sworn in to the Chief Minister’s office, sitting on Dharna, transgressing the Constitution of Bharat, is a flagrant display of the anarchist Naxalite persona and arrogance in him. It is open sedition and anti-national stand on the part of his party to say that there should be a referendum in Kashmir even if it is for disintegration of the country, the Army should be withdrawn from Kashmir in spite of the fact that full-fledged terrorist camps are running across in the Pak-Occupied Kashmir and there is perennial efforts at infiltration of terrorists from Pakistan, and what is more they are even demanding such action in the Maoist-infested areas and withdrawal of the paramilitary forces. Kejriwal, on the one hand, is fighting against the police force, and on the other, he wants to end the rule of law in the Maoist-infested areas, and surely it is a plot to spread anarchy in the whole of Bharat, so that the foreign powers can take advantage of the situation. The people of Bharat have detected it and seen through the masks of these subversive and treasonable activists. The leadership of Narendra Modi can ensure that Bharat stands as a sovereign, independent and powerful nation. This is the demand and command of the country today.
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People may have seen this before.

STOPPING MODI AT ALL COSTS
by Gautam Sen

A US decision has evidently reaffirmed that Narendra Modi cannot be allowed to become
prime minister of India. This is similar to the verdict reached on the elected President of Egypt, Mohammed Morsi. The US simply did not trust him and the Muslim Brotherhood to keep their promises of good behaviour. It seems the conclusion was that Morsi had to be removed from power despite his firm crackdown on the interests of the Hamas in Egypt and emollient tone about other issues of concern to the US. The Saudis had also weighed in because the Muslim Brotherhood has historically laid claim to leadership of the Islamic world. This was an intolerable threat to US influence over what has been State Department Islam, the best antidote to Arab nationalism and underpinning for anti-communism, in the context of the Cold War, through a supine Saudi monarchy, totally dependent on the US for survival. The US was also possibly aware of everything Morsi was saying in private through its comprehensive eavesdropping activities that leave little confidential. It is probable that Morsi was counselling his Muslim Brotherhood associates of the need to bide their time.

Narendra Modi’s case is not fundamentally different because it is feared that Modi and his supporters will curtail the huge incursions into India by US agencies the UPA has facilitated. It is assumed that once Modi forms the government and becomes aware that India’s is well on the way to becoming a US banana republic satellite–in the age-old Central American and Asian tradition, subject to indirect rule–he will move to end it. The US has evidently infiltrated India on a massive scale, blackmailing politicians with covertly acquired information, sponsoring countless secular and religious foundations and the purchase of a huge swathe of the Indian media.
However, the erstwhile BJP as such was not really a drawback for the US because some of its prominent leaders have been very close to the US, virtual spokesmen for it. Others bent over backwards during the tenure of the NDA to please. Two of the BJP’s most senior decision makers, including the late Brajesh Mishra, even made offers of sending Indian troops to join the coalition in Afghanistan. The Americans themselves had not made such a request to India because it would have sent their vital ally in the Afghan war into veritable frenzy. This idea was very wisely vetoed personally by Atal Behari Vajpayee himself!
The Muslim Brotherhood is now facing savage repression, with the US-backed Egyptian military embarked on a reign of terror. It has not hesitated to kill hundreds of civilian Muslim Brotherhood demonstrators, including many women, by the simple expedient of shooting them while they slept. It is also systematically decapitating the Muslim Brotherhood political leadership. The Egyptian military has effectively re-imposed a dictatorship that is a prelude to shepherding its own pliant creatures into power, but through a process that assures an outward democratic fig leaf. The Muslim Brotherhood has been denounced as a terrorist organisation and cannot contest elections.
An even harsher version of this model for maintaining US control was tried out successfully in Algeria during the 1990s. The US and French sponsored Algerian military dispensation killed anything up to 300,000 civilians to eliminate the radical Islamic Salvation Group. The free Fourth Estate of Europe and the US played its usual collaborationist role. It blamed the army of the Islamic Salvation Group for the widespread killings, often of their own supporters, in orgies of mindless bloodlust, however incredible and unlikely that might appear. The bloody conflict lasted a decade and ended with the total destruction of the Islamic radicals. The Western intervention, which has destroyed much of Syria, killing more than 150,000 people, to the approving clamour of the Western human rights lobby, is another variant for re-imposing imperial control over a country. The invasion and destruction of Iraq was another, the death toll approximately 2 million so far.
The Indo-US nuclear accord has puzzled many observers, especially the mostly ill-informed Indian public. Some insiders involved in the negotiation of the Indo-US Nuclear Accord were also mystified by the US decision to allow India to ascend, in effect, to the extraordinary status of a bona fide nuclear power. Even more apparently inexplicable was the direct efforts made by President George Bush Jnr. himself to ensure a favourable outcome at the IAEA negotiations. He made a personal phone call to the President of China at a crucial juncture of the negotiations, when the latter embarked on a discreet, last-minute manoeuvre to scupper the deal it had agreed earlier with the US.
An excellent, revealing account of China’s machinations, by a senior Indian journalist present in Vienna was buried by his editor, the owner of India’s most pro-Chinese daily. In the end, the most knowledgeable attributed this paramount political American decision, recognising India as a nuclear power, to President Bush supposedly becoming enamoured with the country on a visit during the 1990s. It is unconvincing, indeed inconceivable that such a decision of huge political import could have been the product of a sentimental whim. Although it is possible Bush acquired an undue affection for India, however weird that might seem to even the most patriotic Indian.
The decision to accord India nuclear status occurred because of a US perception that it had finally managed to acquire a durable foothold in it and access to high level Indian decision-making during the tenure of the UPA. Indeed, it seems, the US was even able to determine appointments to the Union Cabinet, certainly in the case of the Commerce and the Environment portfolios and perhaps even the EAM’s selection is cleared now by the US ambassador in Delhi.
The granting of nuclear status to India, which was well and truly an enormous gift was motivated by the US view of India as a new client satellite. The journey in this fateful direction began during the tenure of the NDA and has neared completion under a totally subverted UPA. To their credit, both Jawaharlal Nehru and India Gandhi had resisted this dire predicament during the first decades of Indian independence. The UPA of course represents mainly the family, rather than India and is also deferential to the US, which is the fate of the family itself as well. Quite noticeably, the US has helpfully striven to conceal any embarrassing information on the likely UPA prime ministerial candidate. The purchase of untested Westinghouse nuclear reactors as quid pro quo for the Indo-US Accord was a less significant secondary understanding. One also begins to understand why the UPA became an agent WalMarts rather than representing the vital interests of millions of Indian retailers.
This does not mean India accedes to all US dictates, for example over the purchase of Iranian crude. However, a deeper subservience to US preferences has been established and is being institutionalised. The US has become the major shareholder in the equity of the GoI, much as it has been in Pakistan for decades. Mohammed Morsi may have eventually brought its own divinely-sanctioned misfortune to Egypt, but his entrapment, after the preliminary honeyed effusions from Washington, is a lesson for Indians, themselves on the verge of losing control over their country. Morsi was never in full command of the Egyptian government and the affairs of the country, despite an overwhelming electoral mandate. The religious obsessions of the Muslim Brotherhood also constrained a calculated grasp of the harsh secular international realities lapping around them.
They were determined to achieve, in short order, some of their Shariah-ordained goals on personal conduct, especially pertaining to women’s dress codes and sexual behaviour, a central pillar in the history of Islam, imperial expansion apart. The desire to impose curbs on other supposedly un-Islamic liberal freedoms was also accorded high priority. Yet, he was never in full control of critical economic issues like food and petroleum prices, which rose inexorably. As a result, a myriad of voluntary organisations and media outlets, blatantly sponsored by the US, had tens of thousands of the religiously less observant on the streets, baying for his blood. Within days of his brutal overthrow prices and other shortages mitigated and the Saudis and Kuwaitis extended huge loans to the beleaguered Egyptian economy.
The virtually instant announcement, after the swearing-in of Arvind Kejriwal and his juvenile crew, following their inept, comic preening for the media, was a hunger-strike in Bhopal and the decision to contest elections in Gujarat. The goal of AAP is now blindingly obvious. The intention is to split the anti-Congress vote to prevent Modi and the BJP winning enough seats in 2014 to form a viable government. The other alternative outcome would be to reduce their number sufficiently to facilitate the barely-concealed claim of his implacable opponents inside the BJP to propose an alternative candidate for prime minister, ostensibly to help form a governing coalition. The Indian domestic political support for the AAP intervention is from the counterparts of the so-called young and liberal in Cairo’s Tahir Square. They are really all a product of India’s manipulative and manipulated English language media, much of it in hock to banks and foreign conglomerate owners.
How the AAP originated and their personal international ties are indeed a matter of interest, but not the only issue. The Magasaysay award is a known instrument for affording recognition to Asians sensitive to the US portrayal of the world. Volunteering to work for Mother Teresa is also an agreeable item on a CV, indicating desirable political impulses to Western governments. At the very least, the US has intervened in a dynamically unstable Indian polity to affect outcomes. Funding a useful political or voluntary local entity through an Indian business house is standard practice for foreign countries. They reimburse the business house by engaging with it in an unrelated profitable transaction. The Saudis regularly employ such business deals in India on behalf of Pakistan and the US does so as well in scores of countries. It offers complete anonymity and its legality hard to question.
The final solution to a difficult and high stakes political standoff will be to assassinate Narendra Modi. The attempt already made in Patna is almost certain to have had foreign participation and the background to it presents a truly shocking picture of high level local complicity. Attempts to assassinate Modi are likely to occur again. Determined efforts continue to incite Islamic radicals to make such an attempt, by funding endless court proceedings to ensure the accusations over the 2002 Gujarat riots remain alive. The logistical backup for any plan to murder Narendra Modi will likely originate in Pakistan, already rejoicing at the colossal damage to Indian intelligence the UPA attempt to curb him has inflicted. It is also extremely suspect that invitations to Narendra Modi to visit came from three close US allies, two of them with little compelling reason for extending them. The US itself persists in using the issue of his visa to cause him whatever negative publicity possible. Quite clearly, assassinating him abroad might have been considered more logistically feasible and less damaging politically than in India. The intention is to end the career of the most popular Indian politician since independence and one that threatens to assert it.
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Cong hired 100 bouncers fm Mumbai 4 RG's foot rally in Gujarat, gave them Cong scarves & told them to chant slogans.

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I got a bit suspicious when the same voices were responding to his questions during his speech. I've heard some of NM's speeches and generally audience is not so loud and clear. But in RG's Guj rally, there were people answering, adding comments and propping. I could sense some lentil in the black onlee.
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SwamyG wrote:Krishnan did you read dinamalar? Especially the commrnts section? I am kinda busy, I can post the gist of the article. Like you say modi is gaining visibility in TN. 2 more visits can yield 3-4 seats. The TN meet was organized badly. People had to walk 6km.
I was at the grounds, thanks to my ingenious friend, who got me a pass at the last minute. I drove all the way to the gates (around 5.45 pm) and sent the car back and went back by suburban train. There is no need to walk for 6 kms, not sure where they walked from. The ground was in between Vandalur RS and Urappakam RS, 2 kms either way. Chennai police did an awesome job on the traffic, got to give it to them and inside the venue there was nothing untoward that happened. IJK cadres had their "fill-in", but they were in the minority. The ground indeed was not large, but my guess is, it would've had about 1 to 1.5L people. Also, around Modi's time of arrival, police did seal the roads leading from Airport, so supporters got stuck. The leaders from the stage were asking the cops to let people inside the ground, as they also stopped a lot of people from entering in. In fact when we were trying to get to our seats, the cops said there are no seats available, we had to shove the passes on their face and move along.

All in all, small time parties like IJK or KMK had a coup by sharing the dias with Modi. Venkiah was funny as always, and his translator was dumbstruck on certain segments as there is no way he couldve translated it. IMO, in TN, only DMK and ADMK have motivated cadres, other political parties have pockets of supporters here and there, the rest of the population sways with the wave. A lot of such people were there in this meeting, they were clamoring to get a view of Modi. As soon as Modi started talking, a lot of these people started leaving, it was evident that, they just wanted to catch a glimpse of Modi.

No other BJP leader has brought in so much crowd as Modi and if he can translate it in to votes, they sure will get the 3-4 seats that they aim for. They are also hampered with lack of known candidates. Other than PonR and CPR, there is no known candidates who can bring in votes.

Grapevine is that DMDK is demanding "moolah" for the election expenses and Congress has already promised them a bunch if they want to go alone. Gapten needs to make up his mind and bet on the right horse. If BJP wins the LS elections, some of these parties will cease to exist.
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problem is BJP has been virtually dormant and would have probably died a slow death if not for NaMo , first time saw a car with BJP flag in it and see some office cropping up , they should have made noises every known and then , but they have been quiet all along
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When are 8 new Lokpals coming? How much power will Lokpals have over PM? And how much real power will be left with PM, Ministers and MPs once Lokpals start calling shots? And soon, MNC-owners will force all states to make powerful Lokayukts. So powerful Gujarat Lokayukt can use his powers to threaten NaMo by threatening to expose.

All in all, I think NaMo will only get position of PM, not much power. The power of PM's chair will move into the hands of Lokpals. And so Lokpals will work as de-facto Ministers.

This is what happens when activists confine to mask wearing, rallying and slogan shouting and ignore the task of campaigning for good law-drafts. Their leaders in such case ONLY get positions and no powers. "Power" against a foreign enemy can exist only when country has proper law-drafts to resolve conflict between its people with least injustice and resources are used with least possible inefficiency. There is difference between position and "power". Position only means other people in country dont have official power. But putting a person in position doesnt mean that nation has any power. For a nation to have power against its enemies like USA, UK, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia etc, it has to ensure that (1) people are skilled (2) have land and means to work (3)and their disputes are getting resolved speedily and efficiently. etc etc. All these require proper law-drafts in place. Hoping that NaMo can print all these necessary drafts in Gazette is something that 20 years ago in 1994, BJP workers had hoped and failed. In 1994, BJP workers opposed all law-drafts and insisted that "all we need to shout slogans for ABV, and when ABV becomes PM, everything will fall in place" !! And ABV could not even make law-drafts to expel Bangladeshi , forget improve Military. He need a few point improvements like making better roads, starting a few Military projects etc. But all in all, it didnt add up to even 30% of what China does and even 5% of what USA does.

So welcome to "NaMo as PM, with Lokpals = MNC-agents having all the powers of PM" !!!

USA via Lokpal System and Supreme Court will finally have "Indian rulers, Americans rule" or "your face, our soul" regime in India.
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