Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

archan · Post by **archan** » 10 Sep 2009 09:40

India is building dams and reservoirs on Pakistani rivers

Is the water in those rivers green?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Sep 2009 13:15

arun wrote:Stop blaming Pakistan for UK terrorism - top diplomat

Vikram Dodd and Ian Cobain
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 8 September 2009 23.31 BST

Senior Pakistani sources have accused Britain of failing to do enough to tackle home-grown terrorists and maintain they are falsely being blamed for harbouring extremists plotting to attack the UK.

A senior Pakistan diplomat told the Guardian that his country was being treated as a "whipping boy" by Britain. The terrorists, including those convicted on Monday for the airlines plot, were "born and brought up" in Britain, not Pakistan, he said. ........................

In a calculated move, a senior Pakistani diplomat in London hit back, saying :

"Sometimes for our British friends the truth is bitter. We have somehow turned out to be a whipping boy, there is a long history to that. The British need to search their own house. Britain has to take responsibility and they have to look into the issues which are driving these youth to extremism, which is the third-generation British – they weren't born and bought up in Pakistan." .........................

Guardian

If the British friends just stopped readmitting any of their citizens who traveled to Pakistan, there would be no problem in Britain.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Sep 2009 13:57

I'm going to post in detail the final instalment of JS's book in the other thread.A few details herte.In his last chapter,"retrospect",he says that unlike Gandhi,who understood the soul of India,westernised Jinnah had no vision of his Pakistan other than that it was to be a "theoecentric" state.The truly only "theocratic "state he says is the Vatican.Islam was just the vehicle for Jinnah and Pakistan was neccessary for Jinnah to achieve his ambition.Both he and Nehru's concept of the states of India and Pak were based upon western/European models.Without any identity,thanks to the false credo that " (Indian) Muslims are a separate people who need a separate state",the people of Pak lost their true Indian identity.Jinnah died soon after his "moth-eaten" state came into being and inevitably,in the fullness of time,Pakistan would be drawn closer to India thanks to cultural and business connections.This was what "haunted" the rulers of Pak and explains why a policy of hatred towards India is practised to this day.Once a genuine peace is established between the two countries,India will inevitably consume Pak not by force.For Pakistan to exist,it neccessarily has to "hate" India.India is the bogeyman of Pak without which it cannot survive!

Another point that he makes is why there has not been enough study of the anti-partition Muslim parties that existed at the time.There were several.It was only the rising communal clashes that JS says that prevented a "united opposition" to partition.Another point,is that in Hyderabad state,ony 11% of the population were Muslim.in fact,the Muslims were never in a majority anywhere even during Moghul rule.Thanks to the treaties they made with Rajput rulers,they were able to establish their empire until 1857,when the British Raj took over from John Co.

In Pak's current crisis,where it is beleagured both from within and without,by its anti-establishment Islamists and the diktats of the US,its leadership furiously epdalling backwards in retreat against the wave of criticism against it for its terrorist links,it is between a hard place and a stone wall.Zardari in an interview defended his regime saying that Pak's sacrifices in this war (forces killed) have been more than those of the globe put together (!) and that he needed both money and time from the west to complete the job.When arms for Pak are modified to fight India,what assuarnce is there for the global community,leace aside our concerns and indignation, that further arms and money will not be used against India? AQK is now spilling the beans about Pak's N-proliferation and more will come out of Pak's decades of fooling the west.Thus far there is little evidence that the O-Team has any new
Fak-Ap policy whatsoever.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Sep 2009 15:11

Philip wrote: . . .in the fullness of time,Pakistan would be drawn closer to India thanks to cultural and business connections.This was what "haunted" the rulers of Pak and explains why a policy of hatred towards India is practised to this day.Once a genuine peace is established between the two countries,India will inevitably consume Pak not by force.For Pakistan to exist,it neccessarily has to "hate" India. India is the bogeyman of Pak without which it cannot survive!

Sometime back, Shahid Javed Burke wrote an op-ed in DAWN, from which I quote relevant portion below:

In its original form, Pakistan was perhaps a non-sustainable political creation. It was an artifact that responded to a particular situation that developed under the long British rule.There is no reason why the two ‘wings’ of the country should have stayed together. The very fact that they were called ‘wings’ suggested that the country’s body existed somewhere else. It is legitimate to ask the question: what is now the idea of Pakistan. Institutional economics — a relatively new discipline pioneered by Douglass North, the Nobel Prize-winning economist — postulates that a great deal of human activity is governed by what it calls belief systems. These systems are the product of historical accumulation. They are not static but, instead, are exceptionally dynamic. The creation of Pakistan was indeed based on an idea — Jinnah’s two-nation theory — but many years have elapsed since that postulate was first put forward. The concept that Pakistan was needed to preserve the separate identity of the Muslim community of British India, may not have worked to keep together the two wings of the country that were attached to the body of Hindu India. But history produces its own imperatives.Jinnah’s two-nation theory is now 70 years old. It resulted in the partition of British India and the creation of two separate political entities. One of those split into two and what was once British India is now three separate states with their own histories and their own imperatives. Two of them — Bangladesh and Pakistan — are still searching for answers that would help them forge the meaning of nationhood. How should Pakistan define itself at this critical juncture in its history? Notwithstanding the bloody campaign launched by some stateless groups, religion can’t be the basis of Pakistan’s nationhood. There are too many different interpretations of what can be called an Islamic state for Pakistan to risk its future on that concept. For the same reason, ethnicity can’t be the defining concept. We have to be pragmatic: we need to define the Pakistani identity and the Pakistani idea on the basis of geography rather than on the basis of culture and religion. What is Pakistan today is a piece of real estate occupied by more than 2.5 per cent of world’s population that must find a way of pursuing economic, political and social objectives that serve the entire citizenry. This is the only way forward.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 10 Sep 2009 16:56

SSridhar wrote: . . .Sometime back, Shahid Javed Burke wrote an op-ed in DAWN, from which I quote relevant portion below:

The British and then the Americans have espoused the idea that India was never one nation.They have always portrayed Hindus particularly Brahmanas as insuffereable bigots who wanted to establish their casteist vision on muslims and even sikhs,conveniently forgetting their own viciousness.
From the Anglo-saxon view,the Congressmen were men of straw who were imposing their corrupt and effiminate rule on the 'manly' races and dalits etc.They wanted to teach the brahmins and banias a lesson.This hatred still persists.If India rises as a united nation,it is the end of their domination.
The Anglo-Saxon view is very understandable from their view point.It was this hatred that promoted the muslims.While Javed Burkis view point seems reasonable,it is at odds with reality.Though one can make a case for pakistan by postulating a distinct cultural strand in northwest of india,this has not been the dominant factor in the polity of pakistan.It is the hatred for hindus that was the motivating force for the creation and sustenance of pakistan.It can continue only by whoring for the highest bidder using its strategic location,until(?) it is dismembered by a rising India.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Sep 2009 17:34

Concerns over checks on visa applicants from Pakistan

In October, a new "hub and spoke" network was implemented by the Home Office to deal with visa applications which saw those from a number of countries, including Pakistan, being decided in Abu Dhabi.

Applications from Pakistan are still initially checked for fraud and forgery by entry clearance officers in Islamabad before being passed on to Abu Dhabi for a decision.

However, as a back up there is scope for officials to request a face-to-face interview if there are concerns around the application.

Between October 27 and May 31 there were 66,415 applications in Pakistan to come to the UK but officials interviewed just 29.

It emerged in July that officials also have just the equivalent of 11 minutes to check documentation because there are only 11 officers and two managers based there.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Sep 2009 17:39

Stolen Nato devices recovered from Quetta warehouse

QUETTA: Hundreds of wireless sets stolen from Nato supply containers were seized during a raid on a warehouse in the provincial capital’s Spini area.

The Superintendent of Police, Saddar, Dr Farrukh, said on Wednesday that police carried out the raid after a tip-off. He said three people had been arrested.

‘Apart from wireless sets, the seized items include spare parts of wireless sets, computers and x-ray machines,’ Dr Farrukh said.

Over the past years, he said, pilferage of Nato containers was routine on the Quetta-Chaman highway. This is the biggest haul of wireless devices. The raid was conducted a day after militants burnt eight Nato tankers in Quetta.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 10 Sep 2009 17:48

^^ this is what these tribes have been doing since last 1500 years. Land Pirates.

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 10 Sep 2009 17:55

Suicides on the rise in Pakistan

KARACHI: Suicides are steadily rising in Pakistan, with an estimated 6,000 to 8,000 suicides per year, according to a study at Aga Khan University (AKU).

Almost 34 per cent of the population, mostly under 30 years of age, suffer from common mental disorders and more than 90 per cent of suicides can be linked to depression, according to Dr Murad Moosa Khan, Chair and Professor, Department of Psychiatry, AKU.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... stan-ss-07

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Sep 2009 18:41

This is from an article that appeared in TFT two or three weeks back

Most significantly, sources claim that it was King Faisal’s outreach to Pakistan that resulted in discussions about the latter country building an atomic bomb. There is strong evidence that the Saudis offered to underwrite Pakistan’s expenses in the building of the bomb. This relationship continued apace, but after Faisal’s demise, lost its anti-imperialist hue and encouraged the spread of Wahhabism throughout Pakistan. The Saudis’ underwriting of the bomb explains why the last call the then PM Nawaz Sharif made before testing the device in 1998 was to King Fahd, and not to President Bill Clinton of the US who had been urging Pakistan not to test.

James B · Post by **James B** » 10 Sep 2009 19:24

Suicides on the rise in Pakistan

Almost 34 per cent of the population, mostly under 30 years of age, suffer from common mental disorders and more than 90 per cent of suicides can be linked to depression, according to Dr Murad Moosa Khan, Chair and Professor, Department of Psychiatry, AKU.

I thought mental disorders were a result of inbreeding

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 10 Sep 2009 23:50

The Nation is reporting in its breaking new.

BCCI, PCB in touch to revive cricket ties
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Cricket boards of India and Pakistan are in touch to discuss resumption of bilateral cricket ties in the near future at neutral venues. Sources in the Pakistan Cricket Board told PTI that a BCCI official had spoken to PCB this week and some discussion revolved around the possibility of revival of bilateral cricket ties between the two countries. "The PCB is very keen to push this idea forward as a series against India will improve its financial health considerably and also allow it to meet its commitments with the broadcasters who are paying a lot of money for the television rights of Pakistan cricket," one source said.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 00:01

hulaku wrote:Suicides on the rise in Pakistan

KARACHI: Suicides are steadily rising in Pakistan, with an estimated 6,000 to 8,000 suicides per year, according to a study at Aga Khan University (AKU).

Almost 34 per cent of the population, mostly under 30 years of age, suffer from common mental disorders and more than 90 per cent of suicides can be linked to depression, according to Dr Murad Moosa Khan, Chair and Professor, Department of Psychiatry, AKU.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... stan-ss-07

Hmmm ..... one doesn't need to go beyond reading Paki newspaper headlines to conduct such a "study" ....

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 11 Sep 2009 00:05

So deshdrohi Sharad Pawar wants this. Don't forget in 1980s Dawood was his financer for political activities, also many accuse him for letting Dawood slip out off India after 1993 bomb blast.

In the past few months, senior PCB officials have tried to revive cricketing ties with India but only received a cold response from BCCI.

However, Sharad Pawar - a former BCCI President and now an influential player in the International Cricket Council (ICC) - has been supportive of the idea of reviving Pakistan-India matches.

Sources said that Pawar, ICC's vice-president, is trying to break the ice between PCB and BCCI and is being fully backed by the ICC.

The Dubai-based ICC wants to revive cricketing ties between Pakistan and India because the two countries share one of the greatest rivalries in world cricket.

A big proof of the fact that Pakistan-India matches generate greater interest than any other cricket games can be gauged from the fact that their Champions Trophy clash at Centurion (South Africa) on September 26 is already being anticipated as the match of the elite eight-nation tournament. According to reports, so high was the demand for the Group A game, that most tickets were bought in the first few days of the sale.

Even when Pakistan and India played in a practice game at The Oval last June just before the start of the ICC World Twenty20, they were greeted by a sell-out crowd. No other game in the tournament could match the intensity generated during that encounter.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 11 Sep 2009 02:18

Philip wrote:India if it so wishes can play a major role in destabilising Pak if it seriously wants to do so.The fissures in Pak are widening with each day and much mischief can be organised as a catalyst for the failed state to fail.With Pak's international reputation at its lowest level ever,thanks to the spate of terror plots emanating from Pak,India can achieve much diplomatic success if it puts its mind to doing so.

India plays a role or not, it can't do much. There is USA to save the Pakistan Army and make sure the second biggest Army in south-asia remains alive to keep the giant(India) in check.

So, even if Pakistan breaks tomorrow, the Anglo-saxons will make sure that a major anti-Indian force(Pakistan Army) remains in existence in the region to keep this nation's rise in check where their faith is in minority.

There was 1857. Then there was 1947. This is 2009. People say things change. What changed between 1857 and two world wars? When it comes to Vatican and Pope's agendas, fundamentals never change. Only that, they take different forms and shapes.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Sep 2009 02:26

What if there is a splitin the Anglo Saxon community about the viability vs liability of the TSPA?

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 11 Sep 2009 02:34

ramana wrote:What if there is a splitin the Anglo Saxon community about the viability vs liability of the TSPA?

An independent non-Christian country with 1.2 billion population and having fundamental capabilities to match big 3 in the world, is bigger "liability" to Anglo-saxon community. Compared to that TSPA and Afghanistan put together, is much smaller liability or rather "opportunity" to viably use them as stick against this giant.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Sep 2009 02:38

To their detriment, time is on our side. Economic growth in next 2 decades will be real game changer.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 11 Sep 2009 03:16

that is why i keep thinking that all these deals are for india buying peace for the required economic growth. the western world would be happy to see india go to war. there were suggestions in this forum that 26/11 could be such an attempt by the west itself.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 11 Sep 2009 04:29

archan wrote:
India is building dams and reservoirs on Pakistani rivers

Is the water in those rivers green?

Looks like India built dams in Pakistan.

By the same token we need to be ready to watch and react appropriately to Chinese mischief with Brahmaputra that is under way.
Red onleee cousine of Green. Or green is underwear of Red.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 04:36

Learning from eight anniversaries ---- Mosharraf Zaidi

The third, by deduction, is that the ambient dysfunction of Islamabad's relationship with New Delhi and with Iran needs to be moderated. With India, in particular, Pakistan needs to get real. It needs to stop pretending that Kashmir is still the core bilateral bone of contention, because it is not. The core bone of contention between Islamabad and New Delhi now, whether either side is able to admit it or not, is Afghanistan.

State capacity, in the minds of many Pakistanis at least, is the real reason why former State Department tough guy Richard Armitage never could have lived up to his alleged threat to former President Musharraf to bomb Pakistan back to the stone age, in those heady days following 9/11. Of course, since 2001 Pakistani state capacity has been exposed for what it is--an enormous and glimmering heap of unrealized potential that has more loose ends than there are counters. The dapper suits, Cambridge accents and razor-sharp wit of its landed politicians, its privileged civil servants, and its Sandhurst-esque generals, all produce the mirage of a Pakistan that is much more capable of both damaging and fixing things than it really is.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 04:44

Bloody civilians

Commodore (r) Pervez Iqbal (Sept 9) must be truly a gentleman for admitting that the people in the military do use the phrase for those who are not one of them. I also appreciate the quality of their training and upbringing of their officers. But despite all the training and tall claims of character-building how come buccaneers of the likes of Yahya, Ziaul Haq, Aslam Beg and Musharraf all become four-star generals and take their turns in demolishing the vital institutions of the country?

Second, who can deny that the half a million gentlemen own resources of the country much more than their due share? And third, under what law are lands leased to the armed forces by the provincial governments for specific purposes like defence converted into lucrative housing societies? This method of enrichment happens nowhere else in the world. To attain the respectability of being the most honoured institution of the country -- something it enjoyed during the 1965 war -- the serving gentlemen should take oath not to obey any unconstitutional and illegal order. That day onwards the nation will salute them.

Another bloody civilian

Islamabad

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 04:52

DT Editorial: Literate by 2015?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 04:57

Second-strike challenges ---- Ahmed Ali Shah

The easiest option is to modify the existing fleet of conventional submarines. The most potent submarine with the Pakistan Navy fleet at the moment is the French Agosta-90B. One of the Agosta-90Bs, the PNS Hamza, is equipped with an air-independent propulsion system, which enables the submarine to remain submerged for longer periods.

Currently, Pakistan is the only country in South Asia in possession of a submarine with air-independent propulsion. With a few modifications to its torpedo tubes — they are already capable of launching Exocet missiles — the PN can launch nuclear cruise missiles. That would provide an instant second-strike capability.

Compared to nuclear submarines, conventional submarines are smaller, more manoeuvrable, quieter and more capable of underwater offensives against adversaries. The flip side is that conventional submarines are marred by lesser range and limited submersion endurance time. This, however, should be viewed in the context of PN’s modest regional ambitions, limited to brown waters only.

Arihant will carry the K-15 Sagarika, a submarine-based ballistic missile with a 700-km range. If Pakistan is able to equip its Agosta-90Bs with cruise missiles, e.g. the Babur cruise missile with a 500-km to 750-km range, then it can match India. Both submarines will require similar distance to carry out a nuclear strike. If Pakistan can meet the technological challenges, this capability could be achieved even before Arihant’s reactor goes critical and the Sagarika missiles become operational.

In that scenario, Pakistan can have assured second-strike capability before the Indians.

But this assurance would be limited and may last only till Arihant becomes operational. A submarine with longer range and greater endurance under water is necessary for a credible assured second-strike capability. Pakistan will thus require a nuclear submarine at some point.

For an easier way out, Pakistan can opt for the second option, i.e. removal of the air-independent propulsion system and the diesel engine on the Agosta-90B and make room for a miniaturised nuclear reactor, thereby increasing the range of the Agosta-90Bs and enabling them to stay underwater for longer periods. Theoretically, this option is possible, but literature does not indicate if any state has attempted such an experiment.

That said, the French Rubis Class nuclear submarine could be an inspiration in this context: it is the most compact nuclear submarine ever built, almost the same size as Pakistan’s Agosta-90Bs.

The challenge in resorting to the above option is miniaturising the nuclear reactor, which should be small enough to fit into the slim frame of the Agosta-90B. If Pakistan does overcome this challenge, it would be illogical not to develop a nuclear submarine capable of launching ballistic missiles.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 05:01

ISI DG attends dinner hosted by Indian high commissioner

ISLAMABAD: In a rare gesture of goodwill, ISI Director General Lt Gen Shuja Pasha attended an Iftar-dinner hosted by Indian High Commissioner Sharat Sabharwal on Thursday. Pasha – the highest-ranking Pakistani official in attendance at the dinner – is the first serving ISI chief to have attended such an event hosted by the Indian High Commission. The Indian high commissioner received Pasha on arrival, saying, “I am glad to see you here.” Responding to the high commissioner’s remarks, the ISI chief said, “I always accept invitations, and I like to have more interactions.” Diplomatic sources said the presence of the ISI DG at the dinner could lead to hope intelligence officials of the two countries might review “the policy of sworn hostility” towards each other.

Indo-Pak foreign secretaries, ministers to meet in New York

NEW DELHI: New Delhi announced on Thursday that the foreign minister and secretaries of India and Pakistan would meet in New York on the sidelines of the United Nations summit later this month.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 05:10

Musharraf’s new life in west London

The former president has chosen a simple apartment in a red-brick complex to retire in. It is a contrast to the pomp of Musharraf's nine-year rule in Pakistan, during which he was guarded by liveried soldiers and surrounded by political acolytes, the report says.

However, security remains tight at his £1 million London flat. The retired general is guarded by a small team of retired Pakistani commandos, which he pays for himself, and has a protection detail from Scotland Yard, the report adds.

He is said to dine regularly at the Dorchester hotel and hosts regular music evenings at his apartment. He regularly plays golf and often plays bridge with his confidante, Brigadier Niaz Ahmed, a retired arms dealer.

It is claimed that the general, who resigned 13 months ago, is better served by being out of Pakistan. The report also says Musharraf pays £450 to hire an official VIP lounge every time he flies from or to Heathrow airport.

The report also says Musharraf travels in a bulletproof vehicle.

Lord Nazir Ahmed, a critic in the House of Lords, tabled a parliamentary question about the cost of these security arrangements in July.

The government replied that it was the ‘established Home Office policy not to comment on protective security arrangements and their related costs’.

Nazir said ‘our old age pensioners don't get security, so how can we pay for an old general who wants to enjoy himself in London?’

The Pakistan-born peer said he was collecting evidence for a possible war crimes prosecution through Bindmans solicitors, who pursued the retired Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet through the British courts in the late 1990s.

It is claimed that Musharraf is on a visitor's visa and it has been reported that he intends to take up permanent residence in the Middle East or in the United States, where his son Bilal lives, the report said.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Sep 2009 05:19

"It is claimed that Musharraf is on a visitor's visa and it has been reported that he intends to take up permanent residence in the Middle East or in the United States, where his son Bilal lives, the report said. [/b]

50/50 Chance he is coming to SFO Bay Area.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 11 Sep 2009 05:45

BCCI ready to revive cricketing ties.
Foreign secretaries to meet.

CRamS...see what I mean.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 11 Sep 2009 05:46

TFT is out

Such Gup

On again, off again

Sources say Canny and Hubby have an uneven relationship, sometimes there’s ok communication and sometimes it’s strained. Alarmed at this on again, off again connection, the khakis have suggested that an interlocutor be appointed who will facilitate communications between Canny and Hubby. Several names have been suggested but the hot favourite appears to be JK, himself an occupant of the hottest seat in khakidom not so long ago.

Dirt poor

Our mole tells us that several international agencies had long interactions with Ajmal Qasai, the lone surviving terrorist from the Mumbai terror attacks, in captivity with the Indian authorities. One Western outfit that interrogated him revealed that Ajmal had no knowledge of Islam, beyond the basic kalima and belief in Allah and Muhammad (pbuh) as his last messenger, which is what most practicing Muslims in the rural areas of Pakistan know and believe. He had no sophisticated knowledge of the concept of jihad, except a very basic brainwashing about “his duty to kill kafirs”. He had no idea about the Kashmir cause or why Pakistanis were enemies of Indians or why this holy war was being fought and for what ends. All he knew was that he would receive reward in this world for his heroic actions, and that in fact he wasn’t prepared for death, which is why he didn’t kill himself. He spoke of the grinding poverty in which he grew up, of his dirt poor family that was looking to him for salvation, of the paltry sum of money “they” gave him after he went from a life of petty crime to his recruiting jihadist outfit. Most pathetic of all, he was expecting a miraculous rescue of himself and his comrades at the end of their orgy of killing!

Reds under the beds

We hear the khakis have told Hubby to make some changes in his “entourage”. Prominent amongst those they want “dropped” is a Mr Red, who was accused of having a big role in the Steal Mills of the 1990s. Reds under the beds?

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 11 Sep 2009 05:47

Nuggets

Brig Billa wants to head IB

Writing in Jinnah Chief Editor Khan stated that ex-ISI officer and ex-IB chief Brigadier (Retd) Imtiaz Ahmad alias Billa wanted to get IB back from the PPP this time. He learned that the PPP was going to appoint ex-ISI officer Major Amir as IB chief. Imtiaz immediately acted like a tota (parrot) on TV channels telling the PPP that he could destroy Nawaz Sharif if he was given the IB command.

Brig Billa and Benazir’s bedroom

Chief Editor Khan revealed in Jinnah that he was told by TV anchor Talat Hussain that Imtiaz Billa had told Talat that he regretted not bugging the bedroom of Benazir Bhutto to make her secrets available to the people. Imtiaz Billa was punished in NAB cases but NRO had finally let him off the hook.

Brig Billa killed Gen Rehman

Quoted in Jang son of late General Akhtar Abdur Rehman, PMLQ leader Humayun Akhtar Khan stated that Imtiaz Billa had his father’s blood on his hands because he persuaded his father General Rehman to go to Bahawalpur with General Zia in his C-130 aircraft. Humayun said he had proof that he had made his father go where he had no work and didn’t even want to go.

Billa ‘ko jootay maro!’

Writing in Jinnah its chief editor stated that Imtiaz Billa was sitting in TV discussions trying to get the IB slot, but he was also telling the people that he wanted to bug Ms Bhutto’s bedroom. The PPP leaders should go and jootay marain (beat him with shoes) to Billa.

Brig Billa killed General Asif Nawaz

According to Jinnah Imtiaz Billa was also maligning the Pakistan army by giving interviews and taking part in TV discussions. The army should take note of what Imtiaz Billa was doing. He was involved in the death of General Asif Nawaz in office. This should be investigated from the start. Imtiaz Billa was sent to jail by NAB for eight years and fined Rs 70 lakhs for corruption.

Brig Billa and Sheikh Rashid

According to Jinnah Imtiaz Billa claimed that he had made Sheikh Rashid an agent of ISI and gave him Rs 2 lakh and four vehicles to do the ISI’s job. Billa can be exposed through Major Amir and Malik Mumtaz. Billa should answer why he received the keys of many new cars on the wedding night of his son. From where did he get his kothis and plazas and how was he able to wiggle out of the cases against him?

Jinnahpur and other plots

According to Khabrain ex-ISI officer Major (Retd) Nadeem Dar stated that he had captured Jinnahpur maps in their thousands in the house of the MQM leader Altaf Hussain. He alleged that corps commander Karachi General Naseer Akhtar had also seen them. Naseer Akhtar spread corruption in Karachi, he said. According to him, General Asad Durrani and Brigadier Imtiaz Billa were wrong in saying that Jinnahpur plot was a myth.

Brig Billa funded by Al Qaeda

Quoted in Aajkal ex-FIA officer Malik Mumtaz said that ex-IB chief Imtiaz Billa and ex-ISI officer Major Amir were funded by Osama bin Laden to topple the government of the PPP in Islamabad. Imtiaz was retired from the army for doing horse-trading among politicians. He was later sentenced to eight years in jail for acquiring many plots and plazas in Islamabad.

Mumtaz versus Brig Billa

According to Jang ex-FIA chief Malik Mumtaz said that Brigadier Imtiaz Billa was bribed by foreign agencies to cause destabilisation of the PPP government in Pakistan. He was fired from the army in 1990 but was made IB chief the same year whereafter he served till 1993.

Brig Billa and 25 million dollars

According to Jinnah Imtiaz Billa was convicted for corruption on the NAB charge that he had foreign exchange bearer bonds worth $25 million in addition to an account in Berkley Bank in London. He was also convicted for owning three houses and two plazas in Islamabad. Billa had earlier shown a plot of two kanals in Officers’ Colony in Lahore and one plot of 2,000 yards in Defence Colony Karachi in his wealth statement.

Imtiaz Billa and NRO

Daily Jinnah wondered how was Imtiaz Billa able to get all his confiscated wealth back from the court after completing the prison sentence. It wondered how the NRO could be applied to a person already convicted and punished by court of law. Imtiaz Billa has staged a comeback by getting his wealth back.

Billa targeted Taseer and Aitzaz

Daily Jinnah claimed that as IB chief Imtiaz Billa decided to bring a case of treason against Benazir Bhutto, Aitzaz Ahsan and Salman Taseer and tried to pressurise officers under him to become wada-muaf gawah (plea bargain) but the officers refused. Thus the three escaped being victimised.

Billa versus General Asif Nawaz

It was revealed in Jinnah that, as Nawaz Sharif’s IB chief, Imtiaz Billa used to bait army chief General Asif Nawaz by planting sneaky questions on journalists in order to embarrass him. The journalists often told the general that the questions were planted by Billa, which created bad blood between the army and Nawaz Sharif.

‘Midnight Jackals’ versus ‘Day Wolf’

Daily Jang reported that Imtiaz Billa stated that his operation against the PPP called Midnight Jackals was nothing compared to Day Wolf operation mounted by PPP’s Naseerullah Babar and IB chief Masood Sharif together with Abdul Baqi and Malik Mumtaz who had taken 50-60 MNAs away to Swat to make them change loyalties in favour of the PPP. Masood Sharif ordered ‘forgiven’ big sums taken as loans by these MNAs.

Brig Billa and Altaf Hussain

Reported in Jang Brig Imtiaz Ahmad stated that once ISI chief Hamid Gul sent him to Altaf Hussain of the MQM with a briefcase full of money. Altaf Hussain was then under medical treatment. When he presented the briefcase to him he refused to take it and asked Billa to tell Gul that he was not for sale. And he refused to join the IJI.

Brig Billa is a ‘ganda’ man

Daily Nawa-e-Waqt quoted Sheikh Rashid as stating that Imtiaz Billa was a jhoota (liar) and ganda (dirty) man because he had accused him of making money through the ISI. He said Billa had made life haram (miserable) for him.

Brig Billa and Aitzaz

Reported in Nawa-e-Waqt ex-IB chief Imtiaz Billa stated that Aitzaz Ahsan as a PPP interior minister gave no secret list to India disclosing Sikh terrorists working for Pakistan. He said the photograph of Mrs Nusrat Bhutto together with President Ford was faked. And the sons of General Akhtar Abdur Rehman – Humayun, Akbar, Ghazi - used to visit Pakistan with big baggage.

Brig Billa and Seth Abid

Daily Jang reported Brig Imtiaz Billa as saying that he had trapped Mustafa Khar in London through the famous gold smuggler Seth Abid who used to pay a monthly stipend to Khar in London. Later Seth Abid joined in a sting operation trapping Khar in a plot to kill the generals in Pakistan during a corps commanders’ meeting.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Sep 2009 07:14

pgbhat wrote:Second-strike challenges ---- Ahmed Ali Shah
For an easier way out, Pakistan can opt for the second option, i.e. removal of the air-independent propulsion system and the diesel engine on the Agosta-90B and make room for a miniaturised nuclear reactor, thereby increasing the range of the Agosta-90Bs and enabling them to stay underwater for longer periods.

Of course it's possible.

I will need to email this guy with my contacts who have been bombarding me with emails promising to make my di*k longer.

More seriously and sadly spam filters ensure that I no longer receive these attractive offers. I will have to get into some spam folder, retrieve a couple of emails an forward them to this Einstein.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 07:18

Shiv saar I think this the nth article by a paki "defence analyst" for modding french Agostas into nook capable vessels.

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Sep 2009 07:55

X Posted.

The mother of democracy forces its own citizens to payout considerable sums of money to protect a military dictator

:

Pervez Musharraf: £25,000 to protect him at London dinners

Pervez Musharraf, the former President of Pakistan who is living in London, is being protected by Scotland Yard at a cost to taxpayers of approximately £25,000 a day.

The Metropolitan Police Specialist Protection Unit, known as SO1, has assigned a round-the-clock team of at least ten men and women to protect Mr Musharraf, who lives in a three-bedroom flat in West London. .........................

Times Online

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Sep 2009 12:08

Pakistan and the ICJ fetish
Pakistanis want to approach the ICJ at the drop of a hat. They wanted to take the Baglihar issue too to the ICJ. After that verdict was given under the IWT framework, they still wanted to take it to the ICJ. Then they have started talking of the Kishenganga issue to the ICJ. Now, Dr. Aafia's case to ICJ.

The last time Pakistan went to the ICJ in 2000 and lost because of the problem of the Optional Clause — does the respondent state want to be prosecuted? — it had to pay cost of the ICJ judges fees plus the cost of the session and fees of the respondent’s lawyers in addition to its own lawyers.

archan · Post by **archan** » 11 Sep 2009 18:03

In the US, some poor/greedy people are always on a lookout to sue somebody and get some money somehow. They don't have the capability to earn money respectably to they are always trying to find ways to get someone else to pay for their lifestyles. Fake accidents, so-called loves, marriages leading to divorces with alimonies, medical lawsuits...and whatnot. Pak shows the signs of the same sickness. They cannot make money on their own - they have been funded by their sponsors whose dirty work they have been doing and now that it is not enough, they need to find other ways to get compensated. What a sickness in the name of a nation.

Ranvijay · Post by **Ranvijay** » 11 Sep 2009 18:27

Shameless pakis photoshopping Indian IL-78 MKI's as pakistani refuellers on their OFFICIAL PAF calendar...

copied from

archan · Post by **archan** » 11 Sep 2009 19:08

^^ that is what the magic of Al Photoshop can do for you!

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 11 Sep 2009 20:05

another famous instance of photochor paki

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 Sep 2009 20:36

Chidambaram gives list of 70 Pak terrorists to US

Meanwhile, the government is contemplating launching a publicity blitzkrieg in Pakistani media about the activities of the terrorists belonging to that country in India. The campaign could be in the form of advertisement.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Sep 2009 20:40

pgbhat wrote:Chidambaram gives list of 70 Pak terrorists to US

[{i]At least the GoI is doing something. Anything. Better than doing nothing, no?}[/i]

Meanwhile, the government is contemplating launching a publicity blitzkrieg in Pakistani media about the activities of the terrorists belonging to that country in India. The campaign could be in the form of advertisement.

Wow. advertising cam-pain, eh? Really, now. Truth is stranger than fiction == reality is stranger than the benis thread.