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Well gents, its out in open. The drone strike that supposedly killed ISIS-K actually killed innocent civilians.
I'm 200% sure that the intelligence for the strike came from Pakis who thought that this would just blow over.

Hope no goats were harmed in this exercise.

U.S. drone strike in Kabul mistakenly killed civilians, not terrorists, Pentagon says


US Drone Strike In Kabul Mistakenly Killed Civilians, Not Terrorists: Pentagon

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Deans wrote:... US & India can have a joint training & experience sharing agreement for fighting insurgencies.
It will involve basing of US `buddies' embedded with our units on the LOC or RR units to `observe and learn' how a border is sealed and
an insurgency is handled. ... Set up a drone training facility near LOC/ IB, ostensibly to train us in handling drones. Drones will occasionally overfly Pak - as would US satellites. The info they get can be processed by a joint intel center in India. This can be supplemented by (electronic) listening posts.

I like this idea. I hope someone in the EA Ministry is reading this thread.

no need to jump the gun. we should learn patience, especially when dealing with ungratefools and faithfools.

let the taliban first ask for international recognition for their "government" and mobilize support for that first before India commits anything, if at all.

The UN is already sitting on the Modi govt and insisting that we allow 50-60K afghan refugees to enter India. All of them will be military age males who will cause the utmost trouble here with their outrageous demands.

we should deal from a position of strength and not from the weak-kneed stance of a supplicant looking to curry favor with the taliban. we owe the afghanis nothing and any talk of ancient civilizational ties is just so much bunkum

we seem to be stuck like a gramaphone record needle trapped in one groove about massive trade with the CARs, knowing well that we have few friends in the ummah filled region and they are as taqiya prone as jehadis anywhere and everywhere. Trade via the rent seeking and greedy iran route leaves us open to the usual blackmail.

also, we seem to forget that the maximum amount of captured Hindu slaves were sold by muzl!m invaders and put to very rough use in this very region. Historical memories always persist, especially when the once mighty invaders of the Indian subcontinent are so badly impoverished

maybe it's time that we cut our losses in this region and route and moved on to trade with the CARs, if needed, via another, albeit longer route.

Any aid given, including Indian food, material, and medicines will reach only the taliban and no one else.

@ANI · 16h
India has been Afghanistan's trusted partner for development&humanitarian help.

We've contributed in every sector -infrastructure, education, health& capacity building- in all parts of Afghanistan.

Even today,we're willing to send food material&medicines to our Afghan friends: PM

Relax, this is like Paki speak of being want good and trustworthy relations with India. You dont shout everything you want in public.

Aditya_V wrote:Relax, this is like Paki speak of being want good and trustworthy relations with India. You dont shout everything you want in public.

good point

let's then be awaiting and awatching till they spell it out

The US war in Afghanistan for the last 20 years benefited one party the most, i.e. TSP, the exit by many is being pointed as the victory of the ISI and TSP. But in reality, it is a major setback for them. The ever flowing tap has been closed permanently.

Roop wrote:

Deans wrote:... US & India can have a joint training & experience sharing agreement for fighting insurgencies.
It will involve basing of US `buddies' embedded with our units on the LOC or RR units to `observe and learn' how a border is sealed and
an insurgency is handled. ... Set up a drone training facility near LOC/ IB, ostensibly to train us in handling drones. Drones will occasionally overfly Pak - as would US satellites. The info they get can be processed by a joint intel center in India. This can be supplemented by (electronic) listening posts.

I like this idea. I hope someone in the EA Ministry is reading this thread.

It will bring Chna on the border. We are doing fine on our own let's not make it international. JMT

ramarya wrote:The US war in Afghanistan for the last 20 years benefited one party the most, i.e. TSP, the exit by many is being pointed as the victory of the ISI and TSP. But in reality, it is a major setback for them. The ever flowing tap has been closed permanently.

The plumber (US) might have closed turned off one tap, for now, but there are other taps open. He can simply turn the tap on when he chooses. And a new pipe connection, under any fancy set-of-alphabets name can be opened anytime..

India was also a big beneficiary of US presence in Afghanistan for 20 years. We had ample time to get grips with kashmir issue, improve the counter terrorism expertise in our forces, build up infrastructure and economy.

Agree Vinod!

ramarya wrote:The US war in Afghanistan for the last 20 years benefited one party the most, i.e. TSP, the exit by many is being pointed as the victory of the ISI and TSP. But in reality, it is a major setback for them. The ever flowing tap has been closed permanently.

but others will open up, maybe not as lucrative or as gullible as the amerikis, but still some cash flow momentum will be generated and the pakis are past masters at skimming off the top.

By default, the eternally extended paki begging bowl is always in play

ramarya wrote:The US war in Afghanistan for the last 20 years benefited one party the most, i.e. TSP, the exit by many is being pointed as the victory of the ISI and TSP. But in reality, it is a major setback for them. The ever flowing tap has been closed permanently.

Never underestimate TSPA. They will precipitate another crisis and pretend they are fighting for the good cause and collect money as the 'major ally'! The Pakis are known for their perfidy and treachery.

rsingh wrote:

Roop wrote:
I like this idea. I hope someone in the EA Ministry is reading this thread.

It will bring Chna on the border. We are doing fine on our own let's not make it international. JMT

China IS on our border (mechanized PLA divisions, not just border police) . That is what had changed with the large scale Ladakh intrusion last year. While we are doing fine on our own, we also want the international community to crack down on Pak for its support of cross border terror. For that, we need their people to see first hand what we face on the LOC on a daily basis - which the US military will appreciate, having faced that on the Af-Pak border for 20 years and failing to stop it.

Deans wrote:
........ which the US military will appreciate, having faced that on the Af-Pak border for 20 years and failing to stop it.

Af-Pak was a political failure, not a military one. Time and again the military were told to act with one hand tied behind their back - for the better part of 15 years. Doubt the US services will learn anything on the LoC that they have not from Israel (there is a lot to unpack there)

A lot is not being told to the public, but looks like it will spill out. The following form a few hours ago. But, we knew this some time back

General’s classified testimony underscores political split over Afghanistan exit

“The president wasn’t there, but [Miller] did talk to Austin, McKenzie and Milley, and told them that he had been opposed to the total withdrawal,” Sen. James M. Inhofe (Okla.), the committee’s top Republican, told reporters after Miller’s testimony had concluded. “We heard enough to know that there are inconsistencies between what the administration has said and the truth. Clearly, President Biden didn’t listen to all the military advice.”

Miller told the committee that he could not verify whether his recommendation made it to the White House, said an official familiar with the general’s testimony who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because the matter remains highly sensitive. A separate official said Friday that Miller’s position was conveyed to Biden.

So, what do we "know". That Biden was told by the services to leave behind a few. Few? 3000-4000. Recall when Biden took office there were 2500 in A'stan. Enough said on that matter (wait for what spills)




QRF is a Rep Mark Green wet dream. He wanted to arm twist India He wanted to trade QRF for S-400 CAATSA. So, please be careful.

Also, there is a tweet from Jonathan Swan (Axios?) that Biden was going to "arm twist" Modi, during the bilateral meet in the next week or two, but backed off since the US needs India to manufacture vaccines. So, the ink is still not dry.

IMHO, India is in a good position. No need to allow any foreign forces on Indian soil (let Biden cook). The US has left this region. It is for India to take charge. There are other ways to skin this cat

A small clarification on "let Biden cook":

The US services, under Trump and again under Biden, did NOT want to leave A'stan

This stupidity called over-the-horizon was concocted to accommodate an extremely adamant US prez. I call it "stupidity" because India was not even on the initial list of countries for bases. When every other country in the region declined, suddenly India appeared out of nowhere.

India should bargain for max airline miles

The bloomberg article reads like a NSN news dispatch

At one point during the meeting, Khalil ul Rahman Haqqani rose from his chair and began punching the Taliban leader. Their bodyguards entered the fray and opened fire on each other, killing and wounding a number of them, the people said.

The people said the head of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, who was in Kabul during the discussions, backed the Haqqanis over Baradar, who spent about eight years in a Pakistan prison before the Trump administration facilitated his release to participate in peace talks. The little-known Mullah Mohammad Hassan was chosen as prime minister instead of Baradar because he has better links with Islamabad and isn’t a threat to the Haqqani faction, they said.

rsingh wrote:

Roop wrote:
I like this idea. I hope someone in the EA Ministry is reading this thread.

It will bring Chna on the border. We are doing fine on our own let's not make it international. JMT

China is very much present at the border right in POK !

NRao wrote: “The president wasn’t there, but [Miller] did talk to Austin, McKenzie and Milley, and told them that he had been opposed to the total withdrawal,” Sen. James M. Inhofe (Okla.), the committee’s top Republican, told reporters after Miller’s testimony had concluded. “We heard enough to know that there are inconsistencies between what the administration has said and the truth. Clearly, President Biden didn’t listen to all the military advice.”

Miller told the committee that he could not verify whether his recommendation made it to the White House, said an official familiar with the general’s testimony who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because the matter remains highly sensitive. A separate official said Friday that Miller’s position was conveyed to Biden.

IMHO, India is in a good position. No need to allow any foreign forces on Indian soil (let Biden cook). The US has left this region. It is for India to take charge. There are other ways to skin this cat[/quote]

If the US still wants to wallow in the mud, let them., a pig is always a pig even if it sits in the throne. BTW isnt Gen Miller the guy who literally hid the nuclear codes from Trump

Come to think of it., India under Modi has far less drama

RCase wrote:

ramarya wrote:The US war in Afghanistan for the last 20 years benefited one party the most, i.e. TSP, the exit by many is being pointed as the victory of the ISI and TSP. But in reality, it is a major setback for them. The ever flowing tap has been closed permanently.

Never underestimate TSPA. They will precipitate another crisis and pretend they are fighting for the good cause and collect money as the 'major ally'! The Pakis are known for their perfidy and treachery.

True, never underestimate or trust TSPA. But this time, I think there is a well thought out larger game at play. The fact that all the major intelligence agency chiefs made a trip to Delhi last week, The Tajik (Russian) bombing of the Taliban in Panjshir, post which there is absolutely no news about Amrullah Saleh and Ahmed Massoud or for that matter whether Bunnies are controlling the valley. Not to forget the reported feud between Mullah Baradar and the Haqqanis. There is a significant role that we are playing here that is not being showcased by the western media (suits us just fine). Also, very significant is the NaMo trip to the US at this juncture, perhaps his first major overseas trip since the Pandemic began.

Anujan wrote:The bloomberg article reads like a NSN news dispatch

At one point during the meeting, Khalil ul Rahman Haqqani rose from his chair and began punching the Taliban leader. Their bodyguards entered the fray and opened fire on each other, killing and wounding a number of them, the people said.

The people said the head of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, who was in Kabul during the discussions, backed the Haqqanis over Baradar, who spent about eight years in a Pakistan prison before the Trump administration facilitated his release to participate in peace talks. The little-known Mullah Mohammad Hassan was chosen as prime minister instead of Baradar because he has better links with Islamabad and isn’t a threat to the Haqqani faction, they said.

I think its for everyone's benefit that the bunnies keep fighting each other !! We should support the Mullah Baradar Faction (for all you know we are). Remember that Mullah Baradar was chained like an animal by TSP.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/pakista ... 2013-09-21

https://twitter.com/imp_navigator/statu ... 0624959488

The tele bunnies are now a "missile" pover

Joint Israel-UAE Mission Rescued Dozens of Afghan Women, Human Rights Activists From Kabul

International efforts to rescue vulnerable Afghans after the country’s takeover by the Taliban included the first-ever joint aid mission between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, almost one year after the two nations normalized ties.

The operation brought 41 Kabul Afghans — including human rights activists and members of girls’ cycling and robotic teams — across Afghanistan’s northern border into Tajikistan before flying them to the UAE, the UK’s Telegraph reported Thursday.

Yotam Polizer, CEO of the Israeli NGO IsraAID, described rescuers’ harrowing efforts to gather the passengers from a capital city suddenly under Taliban rule.

“The issue was they had to collect them from hiding,” he told the outlet. “[The rescuers] had to do rounds around the city in alleys to pick up these people and try not to create any suspicious movement.”

Those flown out of the country included a well-known singer, 19 members of the cycling team and three robotics team members, as well as female rights activists and a number of relatives.

Polizer said that after driving north, the group was temporarily delayed at the border with Tajikistan — stuck for two days in a safe house as they awaited permission from the Tajik government to enter.

“The stressful part really was around the border, there were a lot of Taliban in the area, they were not allowed to leave the shelter and we were very stressed that someone might find them,” he said.

Israeli aid workers met the escapees in the Tajik capital of Dushanbe, and on Sept. 6, they boarded a jet bound for the UAE, chartered by Canadian-Israeli billionaire Sylvan Adams.

UAE communications official Afra Al Hameli shared an image of their arrival on Twitter.

Girls were prohibited from attending school when the Taliban were last in power, from 1996-2001, with women banned from work and education.

On Friday, reports emerged that the women’s ministry in Kabul had been converted to house the “Ministries of Prayer and Guidance and the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice,” which had previously run a feared police force that implemented the Islamist group’s brutal interpretation of sharia.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/ge ... d=msedgntp

Meanwhile, the German ambassador to Pakistan, Bernhard Schlagheck is cosying up to the Porkis. What exactly are the Germans up to? Any thoughts?
Is it misplaced optimism or just plain foolishness?

Papis know very well that human being has weakness towards honey and money. They are very pro at this game whereas India will be hesitant to use these tools blatantly.

Hari Nair wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/ge ... d=msedgntp

Meanwhile, the German ambassador to Pakistan, Bernhard Schlagheck is cosying up to the Porkis. What exactly are the Germans up to? Any thoughts?
Is it misplaced optimism or just plain foolishness?

For keeping atleast some Afghanis away from the European shores. This is why several European ministers were making a beeline to Islamabad days after Kabul collapsed, they are all cutting a check to Pakistan in the hopes it can stop refugees from fleeing to Europe.

Diplomates has to keep the air of normality. This is done to make ground to make host country agree to any demand in any circumstances. I have feeling that there are many more Germans stranded in Afganistan.

https://www.goripalya.com/news/taliban- ... -of-india/
Taliban chief dead, Baradar hostage? Reports suggest big leadership crisis in Afghanistan – Times of India
Shafiq 20/09/2021
NEW DELHI: Is Afghanistan deputy prime minister Mullah Baradar being held hostage in Kandahar? Has Taliban chief Haibatullah Akhunzada died?
An air of secrecy surrounds the two Taliban leaders who were initially tipped to be No.1 and 2 in Afghanistan’s latest power structure.
Baradar has barely been seen since he was reportedly involved in a violent clash with the Haqqanis during government formation talks. He recently resurfaced in Kandahar to deliver a video message to scotch rumours that he was seriously injured in the attack.
But observers told UK-based magazine The Spectator that the message appeared to be more of a hostage video.
“He [Baradar] has held a large meeting of tribal elders who support him, but at the same time was forced to read a statement on the state-run TV network, which has been taken over by the Taliban,” The Spectator reported.
Baradar, the big loser? It is said that Baradar was the principal loser during negotiations to form the government in Afghanistan since he was earlier tipped to be the head of the new dispensation. Following the talks, he was relegated to the deputy PM’s post. The big step down happened during discussions with Haqqanis where things got heated. It is reported that Baradar wanted more roles for Afghanistan’s minorities and argued that the country’s flag should fly alongside Taliban’s.
It is not known what exactly angered the Haqqani network — a US-designated terrorist organisation. But at one point during the meeting, Khalil ul Rahman Haqqani rose from his chair and began punching the Taliban leader. The Spectator said that a violent fight ensued between the supporters of Baradar and Haqqani, with “furniture as well as large thermos flasks full of hot green tea being thrown around”. Other reports said there was gunfire during the fight in which a number of people were killed and injured.
The people aware of the developments said the head of Pakistan’s ISI head Lieutenant General Faiz Hameed, who was in Kabul during the discussions, backed the Haqqanis over Baradar. Incidently, Baradar had spent about eight years in a Pakistan prison before the Trump administration facilitated his release to participate in peace talks. The Spectator report said that ISI chief ensured that all key positions in the new Afghanistan government went to Pakistani loyalists, principally from the hardline Haqqani network, while those who led the Doha negotiations were downgraded.
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Gautam

seems like paxis celebrated too early..or may be thats what they wanted...but an unstable afghanistan is also in india's favor as we will have parties to play around..through the iran & qatar route...

Around 4000 kgs of pure heroine has been caught in Kandla, Gujarat being shipped from Afghanistan through Iran.

The actual receiver was an agency based in Vijayawada, AP - Aashi Trading company. I wonder how deep and large is the network, that in these times they should such huge amounts of drugs through Iran and to India.

Is India the final destination of these narcotics. This pure heroine needs to be diluted a lot to be able to sell it to end users. This looks like a huge international network with INdian partners also. I hope this was not intended for Indian market.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/impor ... 27833.html

bhavani wrote:Around 4000 kgs of pure heroine has been caught in Kandla, Gujarat being shipped from Afghanistan through Iran.

The actual receiver was an agency based in Vijayawada, AP - Aashi Trading company. I wonder how deep and large is the network, that in these times they should such huge amounts of drugs through Iran and to India.

Is India the final destination of these narcotics. This pure heroine needs to be diluted a lot to be able to sell it to end users. This looks like a huge international network with INdian partners also. I hope this was not intended for Indian market.

https://www.news18.com/news/india/impor ... 27833.html

quite likely to be india +rest of world..i am quite sure these things would increase in time only..telebunnies woudl be desperate for money..entire ME route needs to be checked

ArjunPandit wrote:seems like paxis celebrated too early..or may be thats what they wanted...but an unstable afghanistan is also in india's favor as we will have parties to play around..through the iran & qatar route...

As long as they are fighting each other they won't have time to poke their noses elsewhere like Kashmir. More than all this talk of US drones and air strikes which would achieve nothing what we would really like to see is factionalism in the Taliban leading to open, relentless conflict. Sucks for Afghans (and pakis hoping to control them) but would suit us just fine now that the NA is all but finished and we can't rely on them to keep the Taliban busy. If factional warfare does begin we need to somehow find ways to keep them fighting for as long as possible with large casualties.

Haqqanis are quite dangerous and are joined in the hip with L-e-T.

The abdul who leads ISIS-K, which wants to operate as far as Bangladesh, is Shahab al-Muhajir. The fella's pervious job experience includes working for the Haqqanis

Haqqanis were also behind Indian embassy attack in Afghanistan and papa Haqqani was a minister in Taliban government when IC 814 was hijacked and taken to Kandahar.

Admiral Mike Mullen, Massa's Chairman of joint chiefs of staff, called the Haqqanis "A veritable arm of ISI" while testifying in United states congress. He grew his testimonials to call out Pakis and ISI 5 minutes before he retired. Why Massa always grows testimonials 5 mins before they retire is a debate for another forum.

If Haqqanis take over Afghanistan, you can be 100% sure they are plotting bombing and terror attacks in India.

nachiket wrote:

ArjunPandit wrote:seems like paxis celebrated too early..or may be thats what they wanted...but an unstable afghanistan is also in india's favor as we will have parties to play around..through the iran & qatar route...

As long as they are fighting each other they won't have time to poke their noses elsewhere like Kashmir. More than all this talk of US drones and air strikes which would achieve nothing what we would really like to see is factionalism in the Taliban leading to open, relentless conflict. Sucks for Afghans (and pakis hoping to control them) but would suit us just fine now that the NA is all but finished and we can't rely on them to keep the Taliban busy. If factional warfare does begin we need to somehow find ways to keep them fighting for as long as possible with large casualties.

there used to be an old cs joke like "programmers dont die, they are typecast into something elsse" on similar terms "terrorists organizations dont die, they just change labels/affiliations"

SAARC: Ministers’ meet called off as Pakistan wants Taliban at table

THE SAARC foreign ministers’ meeting, which was planned to be held on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly session in New York this week, has been called off over Afghanistan’s participation.

Sources said Pakistan wanted to keep an “empty chair”, and was against the participation of representatives from the previous Ashraf Ghani regime. According to sources, if the meeting was held, a representative from Afghanistan’s mission at the UN in New York could have attended it.

Pakistan is learnt to have proposed that a Taliban representative should also be part of the meeting. The proposal was shot down by the remaining members. This was in view of the fact that the new Taliban regime has not yet been recognised by governments across the world, and they have also not approached the UN for credentials.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/month ... 30767.html

The T'bunnies now want Mohammad Suhail Shaheen, their spokesman, as their envoy to the UN. It's understood that the UN panel has yet to take a call on this. Also wants to address the UNGA!

It appears the Porkis and the T'bunnies are on a roll! I wonder how this will play out?

Taliban can simply be told that because you didn't follow the terms of the treaty signed with the Americans and the fact that you have repudiated the Bonn process as well. You are not recognised as the rightful rulers of the nation.

That is the simplest way to deal with this situation.

But will the so called international community call it for what it is.

^^^
Only problem is that they have a whole population is hostages. It is massive hostage kidnapping operation.