China Military Watch

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Nov 2010 08:45

testing a SLBM launch 30 miles from the US coast is a serious statement. iirc the P2 never did that to prevent things going out of control, but this is the kind of crude move beijing loves to do.

if the theory is true, POTUS will have signed off on very aggressive tactics by US submarine units in western pacific to harass PLAN ships in retaliation.

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 21 Nov 2010 10:27

Lol, people are STILL saying it's a missile? They've already found out which airliner did this, and someone has already posted a pic of the same airliner doing the same exact thing a day later. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, after all, we never landed on the moon and the government was responsible for 9/11

http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was ... flight-808

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Nov 2010 11:07

Chengdu J-10 Next Variant Developing

According to Chinese news reports, the WS-10A has been flying on board prototype aircraft of the J-10’s next block-series development, which has been designated as J-10B. The WS-10A will replace the Salyut AL-31FN engine, which was the aircraft’s original power plant.

Included as part of the J-10B’s configuration is an entirely new design for the engine inlet, which has changed from the rectangular configuration developed for the AL-31FN to an oval-shaped inlet. This again parallels the F-16’s development in which a “big mouth” inlet was developed for the aircraft to provide an increase in air flow for the enhanced thrust of the GE F110 engine.

In the modern day, however, what makes the major difference in combat aircraft performance is the capability of the on-board electronic systems. Chinese industry officials told Aviation Weel that a new line of products is in development to replace some of the major pod container systems in use now on the J-10 and other aircraft.

Most notable here is the CETC KG300G electronic warfare pod, which will be redesigned in a new variant that expands the frequency bandwidths it can cover. Also in development is a new-generation active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar that would replace the aircraft’s current mechanically-steered array. “AESA radars are a major improvement for any fighter aircraft,” said one Chinese designer, “in that it provides a significant increase in reliability and radar performance.”

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Nov 2010 12:26

Cross post

Austin wrote:JF-17 Zhuhai Air Show China 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoh6YOuuJWs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkCrkZW-89E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM2_LX05ZM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMXM9JE-WQ

The other interesting titbit from these videos is that the JF 17 was designed for Pakistan but the PLAAF is now interested because of its great performance. Combine that information with the insipid J-10 flying display and the fact that the WS 10 engine is still struggling and you get an interesting picture.

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 21 Nov 2010 13:04

Some other recent Chinese military news:

The second 071 LPD has now launched, the 20,000 ton ship should give China much better amphibious capabilities. The new ship isn't much different from the first one externally:

http://www.acelayouts.com/uploads/image ... J1SSMF.jpg
http://www.acelayouts.com/uploads/image ... EJq2yg.jpg

Recent pics show J-11B's with the WS-10 engine, some with PLAAF serial number on it indicating that they're now in service. This shows that the production problems with the WS-10 have been resolved and is now undergoing mass production:

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8506/j11bsnov13.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4863 ... 111011.jpg

Somebody mentioned the WS-10A on the J-10B, I haven't seen pictures of that yet. All the prototypes China has been testing with, including the J-10B and the J-15 have been using AL-31F's thus far, so if it happened then it's a new development.

Don · Post by **Don** » 21 Nov 2010 13:23

Austin wrote:Chengdu J-10 Next Variant Developing

According to Chinese news reports, the WS-10A has been flying on board prototype aircraft of the J-10’s next block-series development, which has been designated as J-10B. The WS-10A will replace the Salyut AL-31FN engine, which was the aircraft’s original power plant.

Included as part of the J-10B’s configuration is an entirely new design for the engine inlet, which has changed from the rectangular configuration developed for the AL-31FN to an oval-shaped inlet. This again parallels the F-16’s development in which a “big mouth” inlet was developed for the aircraft to provide an increase in air flow for the enhanced thrust of the GE F110 engine.

In the modern day, however, what makes the major difference in combat aircraft performance is the capability of the on-board electronic systems. Chinese industry officials told Aviation Weel that a new line of products is in development to replace some of the major pod container systems in use now on the J-10 and other aircraft.

Most notable here is the CETC KG300G electronic warfare pod, which will be redesigned in a new variant that expands the frequency bandwidths it can cover. Also in development is a new-generation active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar that would replace the aircraft’s current mechanically-steered array. “AESA radars are a major improvement for any fighter aircraft,” said one Chinese designer, “in that it provides a significant increase in reliability and radar performance.”

Thats not surprising the WS-10A is now in service with the J -11B and in mass production and will power the future J-10b.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 21 Nov 2010 17:21

China's New Drones Raise Eyebrows
The Wall Street Journal

tejas · Post by **tejas** » 22 Nov 2010 04:42

Chinese 5th gen. cockpit simulator pic:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachme ... 1289789495

arnabh · Post by **arnabh** » 22 Nov 2010 05:46

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r4183.html

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 22 Nov 2010 06:28

tejas wrote:Chinese 5th gen. cockpit simulator pic:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachme ... 1289789495

hmm.... BVR Bisleri launched by a mouse click?

Without khan's halo effect, lots of work for airbrushers and guillotine operators

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 22 Nov 2010 07:12

Some great video clips of 2010 Zhuhai air show.

J-10 (pretty impresssive)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE1b48w6AYk

JF-17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lybGW18PUs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As6adq7XTtg

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 22 Nov 2010 08:03

tejas wrote:Chinese 5th gen. cockpit simulator pic:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachme ... 1289789495

I am sure the pilot would love the bisleri bottle and the mouse when he does a loop

.

But that aside it seems that the J-XX can carry 12 missiles, 4 internally and 8 externally (most probably) or 6 internally and 6 externally.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Nov 2010 16:59

ashi wrote:Some great video clips of 2010 Zhuhai air show.

J-10 (pretty impresssive)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE1b48w6AYk

Impressive? Sorry sir - that is a 3rd gen flying display.

Don · Post by **Don** » 22 Nov 2010 20:14

http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/me ... ina&s=News

Beijing in talks with at least six buyers for JF-17s

Low-cost fighter jets spur interest from developing nations at show

Choi Chi-yuk in Zhuhai
Nov 19, 2010 South China Morning Post
At least half a dozen potential buyers are negotiating with Beijing to purchase JF-17 Thunders, fighter jets jointly manufactured by the mainland and neighbouring Pakistan, during the ongoing week-long air show in Zhuhai .
Without specifying which countries were considering the aircraft, Zeng Wen , vice-president of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp (CATIC), was quoted by Flightglobal.com, the website of British aerospace weekly Flight International, as saying: "We're talking with six to eight countries about the JF-17. It is a low-cost solution for developing countries."

CATIC is the sole company authorised to sell military aircraft overseas on behalf of the country's manufacturers. Asked to give more details about the would-be customers, CATIC president Ma Zhiping said: "It is too early and not appropriate to disclose the identity of potential buyers for the time being. I can only say at this stage that they come from countries ranging from Africa and South America to Asia and the Middle East."

Zambia is known to be one of the potential buyers. "We consider the quality of the aircraft we are interested in first, before talking about their price," said Brigadier General Andrew Sakala, the country's air force commander. "The price of Chinese military aircraft is competitive. We have already bought six Z-9 helicopters from China, but for the moment, we are focusing on the JF-17."

Sakala stressed that, as was the case with the Z-9s, his country would test several aspects of the JF-17 before closing the deal.

Ma, who introduced the JF-17's functions to a handful of attaches with the Jordanian air force in front of CATIC's booth on Tuesday morning, said most foreign enquiries were about the general combat capability of the aircraft and its sale price.

Attaches at the show from Bangladesh and Zimbabwe said they were keenly interested in Chinese military products, especially the JF-17.

With a price as low as US$15 million each, the JF-17 is one of the fighter jets being considered to replace outgoing and obsolete military aircraft such as the MiG-21, Jian-7 and Northrop F-5, especially for developing countries such as Egypt, Ghana, Sri Lanka and Venezuela.

But according to Antony Wong Dong, president of the International Military Association based in Macau, there are more potential buyers of the JF-17 than six or eight. He estimated at least 15 countries had representatives at the show.

He added that the JF-17 Thunder could be the most popular fighter jet among developing countries at a time when their spending power and threat of conflict grows.

The military representatives also seized the chance to visit a booth showcasing the L-15, an advanced trainer made by China.

Representatives from more than 10 countries had already visited the L-15 booth by noon on opening day, one member of staff said. Air force commanders from at least four countries had taken a closer look at the simulated pilot cabin.

China, apart from its huge economic development over the past three decades, has also been putting greater effort into researching and manufacturing military products for export.

Zhang Hong , chief engineer of the L-15 trainer, said the aircraft was the best of its type in the world. It can serve as both a trainer and a fighter, which makes it particularly competitive given that its price tag is about one-tenth that of competing products.

"As a result of showing more respect to talent, pouring in huge funding and more communication and co-operation with foreign countries on technology, China has made significant progress on the research and development of both military and civilian aircraft in the past few years," Zhang said.

He said China should have long ago stopped trying to make money through blood and sweat in factories.

"Instead, China should focus on the export of its strategic products," Zhang said. "After all, the sale of one aircraft is the equivalent of exporting a hundred million shirts."

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Nov 2010 22:08

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... Milestones

Pakistan’s JF-17 fighters at the Farnborough Airshow

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And chinpak's combat space craft of the future-

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 23 Nov 2010 08:52

The bottom line

"After all, the sale of one aircraft is the equivalent of exporting a hundred million shirts."

kit · Post by **kit** » 23 Nov 2010 10:32

merlin wrote:The bottom line

"After all, the sale of one aircraft is the equivalent of exporting a hundred million shirts."

That should put in a banner and put in front of DRDO labs !

arnabh · Post by **arnabh** » 23 Nov 2010 10:33

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=13803

"Andamans’ best kept secret
The picturesque Andaman and Nicobar islands also has a secretive element surrounding it. It said that India is stocking its nuclear arsenal at an Strategic Nuclear Forces Command in one of the 572 islands. Being highly classified, its existence is dismissed by almost all at the ANC."

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 23 Nov 2010 23:50

China Strengthens Amphibious Fleet.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... el=defense

While the debate smolders over the future of the U.S. Marine Corps Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle (EFV) – and possibly even the service’s future as an amphibious assault force – China continues to bolster its own amphibious potential, according to a recent report by the U.S. Congressional Research Service (CRS).

The U.S. Marines are now in the midst of reliability growth testing for the General Dynamics EFV, which should be completed by late January. The service is racing to finish the testing in time to prove to the Pentagon and Congress that the vehicle is worth the investment.

The EFV program is slated to cost about $13.7 billion, including about $4 billion in research and development and the remainder for actual procurement. The Marines estimate they have spent about $2.7 billion so far and the service is authorized to spend up to about $129 million through its testing and to reach its next “knowledge point.” [Editor’s note: an incorrect total program figure was reported here Nov. 19.]

The Pentagon’s top brass has questioned not only the cost but the need for such an amphibious program – skepticism that cuts to the core of the Marine Corps, whose leaders see the EFV as a linchpin of their amphibious and expeditionary nature.

China appears to see a need to develop a stronger amphibious character, according to a CRS report, “China Naval Modernization: Implications for U.S. Navy Capabilities — Background and Issues for Congress.”

China between 2003 and 2005 commissioned into service three new classes of smaller amphibious ships and landing craft, the CRS report noted using Defense Department information. Between these three other classes, China commissioned a total of 20 amphibious ships and 10 amphibious landing craft in that time. “Additional units in some of these classes are possible. China also has numerous older amphibious ships and landing craft of various designs,” the CRS said.

“Larger amphibious ships … might have some value for conducting amphibious landings in Taiwan-related conflict scenarios,” the CRS report said. But, the CRS added, “Some observers believe that China would build and operate such ships more for their value in conducting other kinds of operations that are more distant from China’s shores. Larger amphibious ships can be used for conducting not only amphibious landings, but humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations, maritime security operations (such as anti-piracy operations), and non-combatant evacuation operations.”

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 24 Nov 2010 02:09

I don't know if this has been posted here before.

It is an article from 2007. But factually it is quite right. (It got he Pak-FA shape almost right then!)

http://www.strategycenter.net/research/ ... detail.asp

Speaks of

1. thrust vectoring engines for J-10. (the TVC engine supposedly adds no more weight).
2. 4 to 6 aircraft carrier ambitions of PLAN.
3. Twin seat JF-17
4. PL-10 and PL-13 missiles
5. Much of the Russo-China engine saga which we see playing out today.

Its an interesting read.

rajrang · Post by **rajrang** » 24 Nov 2010 10:21

arnabh wrote:http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=13803

"Andamans’ best kept secret
The picturesque Andaman and Nicobar islands also has a secretive element surrounding it. It said that India is stocking its nuclear arsenal at an Strategic Nuclear Forces Command in one of the 572 islands. Being highly classified, its existence is dismissed by almost all at the ANC."

Many countries in the world have the capability to occupy an island with non-nuclear forces (i.e. aircraft carrier, airborne forces etc.), then a part of India's nuclear arsenal will be lost. This will be like the US placing an important part of its nuclear arsenal on the island of Guam or even Diego Garcia during the cold war. Something about this makes me uncomfortable. I only hope it is not all of India's nuclear arsenal. India seems to be a reluctant nuclear weapons power - they do not even want the weapons on the mainland!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Nov 2010 10:47

China once again became interested in buying Russian weapons

China has issued a request for the purchase of Russian weapons, according to Vedomosti , citing unnamed sources in the Defense Ministry and Rosoboronexport.

China has taken this decision after a visit to China, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov . Application has been made, in particular, 117C engines, which are used in the new Su-35 fighters, and anti-aircraft missile systems S-400.

The Russian side is ready to sell engines to China 117C. However, S-400 of China will be able to get until 2017. This is because such complexes are planning to provide in the first place the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

China is also the first time expressed interest in purchasing military transport aircraft Il-476. In 2004 an agreement was concluded according to which the Chinese side was to receive 34 aircraft IL-76.However, the contract for several reasons and is not being implemented. Representatives of China for a long time refused to replace the Il-76 Il-476 (new model costs about four times more expensive).

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Nov 2010 10:49

arnabh wrote:http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=13803

"Andamans’ best kept secret
The picturesque Andaman and Nicobar islands also has a secretive element surrounding it. It said that India is stocking its nuclear arsenal at an Strategic Nuclear Forces Command in one of the 572 islands. Being highly classified, its existence is dismissed by almost all at the ANC."

What is the source of the original. The NEWS seems to be pure fantsy induced by inhaling the good stuff by the reporter.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 24 Nov 2010 10:53

Back to eyewash before Wen visit.

India, China boundary talks on Nov 29-30

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Nov 2010 11:27

>> Application has been made, in particular, 117C engines, which are used in the new Su-35 fighters, and anti-aircraft missile systems S-400.

they have reached the plateau wrt copying the older stuff and want a leg up to start at a better and newer base.

kit · Post by **kit** » 24 Nov 2010 11:40

Thats almost like inviting a nuclear first strike on the Andamans .. a deliberate ploy ?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Nov 2010 12:43

Singha wrote:>> Application has been made, in particular, 117C engines, which are used in the new Su-35 fighters, and anti-aircraft missile systems S-400.

they have reached the plateau wrt copying the older stuff and want a leg up to start at a better and newer base.

Singha , any new deal that happens with China is firmly on the condition that they wont reverse engineer it ( assuming even if they suceed as Russians will just make it harder now ) and that China will respect Russian IP thats clear from the highest level.

Thats equally applicable for any new deal that we make with Russia from 2010 IIRC , IP on both sides will be respected.

Russians per say are not concerned about Chinese getting weapons from them but from the fact there they loose on Lic Manufacturing cost and the reverse enginers system might just compete with similar Russian system at low cost which is another loss of money

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 24 Nov 2010 13:40

Initial indications that Russia could sell China the Su-35

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 24 Nov 2010 14:10

Austin wrote:
Singha wrote:>> Application has been made, in particular, 117C engines, which are used in the new Su-35 fighters, and anti-aircraft missile systems S-400.

they have reached the plateau wrt copying the older stuff and want a leg up to start at a better and newer base.
Singha , any new deal that happens with China is firmly on the condition that they wont reverse engineer it ( assuming even if they suceed as Russians will just make it harder now ) and that China will respect Russian IP thats clear from the highest level.

Thats equally applicable for any new deal that we make with Russia from 2010 IIRC , IP on both sides will be respected.

Russians per say are not concerned about Chinese getting weapons from them but from the fact there they loose on Lic Manufacturing cost and the reverse enginers system might just compete with similar Russian system at low cost which is another loss of money

...and China's response: Suuuuure, we'll sign the IP agreement *wink wink*

Most companies now just sell the technology these days, since they know China would reverse engineer it anyway. That way they can at least make some money out of it. I'm sure Russia understand it by now. In fact, I'm pretty sure they understood that when they sold the Su-27 too. I mean, it's not like the Chinese were shy in reverse engineering the Mig-17, 19, and 21. The Russians just didn't think that China was advanced enough to pull it off. Thus, IMO, if Russia sell the engine, it will at least be tacitly understood that China will be paying for the technology as well.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Nov 2010 14:19

^^^ Highly unlikely every companies worth its salt would like to protect their IP and would like to make money from Lic version , I am sure the chinese companies would like to do the same when they sell their Chinese J-10 or JF-17 to 3rd country.

So all the wink wink or chink chink will not work, one of the key reason why Russian stopped selling their weapons to Chinese because they did not respect their IP and that will not change.

If chinese dont understand respect for international IP its their problem they need to solve , I guess decades of habit of reverse engineering wont go in a weeks time

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 25 Nov 2010 17:33

Got this link from Praveen swami's twitter account

In June 2006, a man in Germany using the handle "KenGrok" logged on to the Google Earth Community page and asked for help in identifying an unusual land formation he had found in a desert near the city of Yingchuan in central China. In his post, he provided coordinates and described an enormous model landscape outside a military base with "mountain ranges, complete with lakes and snow-capped peaks." But what was it, he wondered?
Check the borders, suggested "stiuskr," a fellow Google Earth fan boy. Two weeks later, KenGrok found what he was looking for: Aksai Chin, a disputed border region of Kashmir claimed by both India and China, over which they fought a war in 1962. The Chinese military appeared to have constructed a 500:1 scale model of the region on the base. Confronted with satellite evidence of the accurate model, Chinese officials denied that it was a replica of Aksai Chin, saying only that it was a tank-training center. That may be, but given its close resemblance to the disputed area, it's still worth wondering what those tanks are training for.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 26 Nov 2010 12:52

That is a very old news....but it shows that sand-model exercise(s) and war gaming having being taken to 'higher' level.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 26 Nov 2010 12:57

DavidD wrote: I mean, it's not like the Chinese were shy in reverse engineering the Mig-17, 19, and 21.

err, at least 2 of those were licensed manufactured with full assistance from USSR. the mig-21 in fact had chinese observers in the design phase. in this case however the TOT wasn't completed and the chinese completed the remainder on its own.

Don · Post by **Don** » 26 Nov 2010 16:43

A new destroyer is being launched DDG 135 looks similar to the Type 052C class from this angle -- standard 100mm dual purpose gun, Type 730 CIWS, and Active Phased Array Radar.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 26 Nov 2010 16:44

First Chinese Aircraft Carrier almost Complete
Daily Mail Post - US

A year ago, the radar mast was completed, and now there is a Chinese radar system being installed. Officially, the Chinese say nothing. But the dockyard workers keep at it, and it’s possible to take photos from a distance. It appears that the Shi Lang is a year or so from going to sea.

The Chinese have been in touch with Russian naval construction firms, and may have purchased plans and technology for equipment installed in the Kuznetsov. Some Chinese leaders have quipped about having a carrier by 2010 (this would have to be a refurbished Varyag), but now 2012 is more likely. Even that may be too soon, as the Chinese have been burned before when they tried to build new military technology in a hurry. The Chinese appear intent on getting it right the first time.

Two years ago, China announced that its first class of carrier aviators had begun training at the Dalian Naval Academy. The naval officers are undergoing a four year course of instruction to turn them into fighter pilots capable of operating off a carrier. China already has an airfield, in the shape of a carrier deck, built at an inland facility. The Russians have warned China that it may take them a decade or more to develop the knowledge and skills needed to efficiently run an aircraft carrier. The Chinese are game, and are slogging forward.

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 26 Nov 2010 17:49

Austin wrote:^^^ Highly unlikely every companies worth its salt would like to protect their IP and would like to make money from Lic version , I am sure the chinese companies would like to do the same when they sell their Chinese J-10 or JF-17 to 3rd country.

So all the wink wink or chink chink will not work, one of the key reason why Russian stopped selling their weapons to Chinese because they did not respect their IP and that will not change.

If chinese dont understand respect for international IP its their problem they need to solve , I guess decades of habit of reverse engineering wont go in a weeks time

No, they don't understand respect for international IP, and they're perfectly OK with it. Like you insinuated, the Russians know that very well, so if they're offering the plane, then they must be considering TOT as well. The goal for the Chinese is indigenization, the plane isn't nearly worth as much as its technology(specifically the engine technology).

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 26 Nov 2010 17:51

shukla wrote:First Chinese Aircraft Carrier almost Complete
Daily Mail Post - US

A year ago, the radar mast was completed, and now there is a Chinese radar system being installed. Officially, the Chinese say nothing. But the dockyard workers keep at it, and it’s possible to take photos from a distance. It appears that the Shi Lang is a year or so from going to sea.

The Chinese have been in touch with Russian naval construction firms, and may have purchased plans and technology for equipment installed in the Kuznetsov. Some Chinese leaders have quipped about having a carrier by 2010 (this would have to be a refurbished Varyag), but now 2012 is more likely. Even that may be too soon, as the Chinese have been burned before when they tried to build new military technology in a hurry. The Chinese appear intent on getting it right the first time.

Two years ago, China announced that its first class of carrier aviators had begun training at the Dalian Naval Academy. The naval officers are undergoing a four year course of instruction to turn them into fighter pilots capable of operating off a carrier. China already has an airfield, in the shape of a carrier deck, built at an inland facility. The Russians have warned China that it may take them a decade or more to develop the knowledge and skills needed to efficiently run an aircraft carrier. The Chinese are game, and are slogging forward.

Ten years is a surprisingly generous prediction for the Russians, I think it'll take longer than that. It probably won't even achieve full operational capability until 3-5 years from now(though it's true that it'll probably be launched in a year or so), it'll take a long time for the Chinese to operate carriers and CVBG's efficiently.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 26 Nov 2010 20:55

Rosoboronexport delivered Ka-31 helicopters to China

We recall that Rosoboronexport's deputy director general Alexander Mikheev said at international exhibition HeliRussia-2010 held in Moscow in May 2010 that the contract provides delivery of nine Ka-31 helicopters to China.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 26 Nov 2010 21:02

DavidD wrote:No, they don't understand respect for international IP, and they're perfectly OK with it. Like you insinuated, the Russians know that very well, so if they're offering the plane, then they must be considering TOT as well. The goal for the Chinese is indigenization, the plane isn't nearly worth as much as its technology(specifically the engine technology).

You assume a lot things , the fact is Defence relations has taken a beating between Russia and China because the latter blatantly reverse engineered stuff causing financial and IP loss of Russia , something Putin and other senior official have publicly stated.

So any new deal done between the two has to ensure that there is no IP violation and lic production ( no copy cat stuff ) revenue is given to Russia.

TOT does not mean they do not have to give Lic revenue , India too have deep tot of AL-31FP engine but has to lic manuf it in India

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 26 Nov 2010 21:26

Austin wrote:China once again became interested in buying Russian weapons

Does it mean PRC realized/reached the limit of its reverse-engineering capabilities?