Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 08 Aug 2010 03:19

Someone posted a comment in Washington Post in response to Mohsen "Mothsmoke" Hamid's article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... ments.html

An incredible article which merely goes to show the extent of the Pakistan problem. The writer is a Pakistani toasted in the west, and widely exposed to the world. He should be able to tell the difference, better than a Talib, between what the Pakistani establishment says it is doing, and what is actually doing. But, you see, he cannot!!!

Hamid actually justifies the terror sponsoring tactics of the Pakistani establishment in Afghanistan and India, and says well, unless the US pressures India to "negotiate" over Kashmir the killing in Afghanistan will go on (what Pakistan means by "negotiate" is basically for India to agree to everything Islamabad wants BEFORE sitting at the table).

Well, maybe that Hamid has moved to Pakistan he needed to put out an article like this to get the necessary, well, protection - since straying from the army line on these matters, especially in a newspaper like the Post, generally does not attract positive interest. One hopes he does succeed in getting his daughter into that sniper guarded school.

Well, one cannot expect much better I suppose, though with someone like Hamid, one had really hoped so. Check out this stunner: apparently the "reason the Pakistani military continued to back jihadist groups... after the Soviet Union was defeated in Afghanistan was that it believed the same tactics could be used in Kashmir against India". Oh, so that's allright then, is it Mohsin?!!!

And he does not omit to mention, "jointly set up with the CIA in the 1980s"... a tiresome refrain continually emitted by the Pakistani leadership. What they fail to mention, curiously, is that the CIA only provided 50% of the financing and some of the weapons, and according to Pakistani historians themselves, they had no direct role or involvement with the mujahedin - something which the ISI insisted remain its sole preserve, a demand which the CIA honoured - which is exactly why the US is now up the creek withut a paddle, so to speak. IF they had had direct contact with the mujahedin then, they would not be in the mess they are now. (Thankfully that error is not being repeated this time around). What Mohsin, and the military in Pakistan, mysteriously fail to mention is that the remaining 50% of the funding for the mujahedin in the 1980s came from Saudi Arabia - and they DID have direct access to the Mujahedin, who went on to become Al Qaida and the Taliban... the former having caused the US to return to Afghanistan, so that the latter can kill American soldiers there - with Pakistani guidance and safe haven, as the Wiki leak of Afghan warlogs clearly reveals. What was the writer saying about Kashmir?

The writer says "the Pakistani military remains obsessed with shaping events in Afghanistan"... A curious phraseology "shaping events". What exactly that does mean? The ONLY leverage that Pakistan has in Afghanistan is the Taliban, and the fear it generates by indiscriminate killing and atrocities - mainly on Afghan civilians who don't bow to its dictates, but also on ISAF troops there. That is the ONLY way Pakistan "shapes events" in Afghanistan.

And the writer has the gall, and the casual arrogance to assume reader ignorance, to compare that with what India is doing Afghanistan? India builds schools while the Taliban (with specific guidance from Pakistan) blows them up - especially girls' schools; India builds power plants while the Taliban, again with specific ISI direction, brings them down; India builds roads to facilitate Afghan economic activity while Pakistan disallows Afghanistan transit facilities as any good neighbour should! Readers are not quite as ignorant of the goings on in Afghanistan as Mr. Hamid appears to have mistakenly assumed. This is no longer the 1980s and the America of the 21st century is far more plugged in to the nuances of the Indian sub-continent than Pakistan would like to believe.

Pakistan has nothing, really, to do with Kashmir. The province has legally acceded to India, and is now a part of that country. Pakistan is forcefully trying to take it over, and turn it into a version of itself? The example already exists in the part of Kashmir controlled by Pakistan and called, with Orwellian finesse, "Azad Kashmir" or "Free Kashmir". Well guess what? "Free Kashmir" is not quite as free as you might imagine. Never have elections been held there worth anything (well, not that Pakistan itself a beacon of democracy - or anything else for that matter leaving aside its domain expertise in terrorism), and the people there are far less free by any measure of judgement than the people of India's Jammu and Kashmir state.

So what exactly does Pakistan aim to do then? Nothing much really. It's elite, the cause of most of these problems, want to keep getting money from the US - and if the war stops, the money flow stops. So they want the US to stay and bleed, not win. Because they know that, apart from their capacity for causing bloodshed globally, Pakistan has nothing to offer the world.

Blowing mothsmoke Mohsin?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 08 Aug 2010 03:52

Yo Paklurks, how much did taller than mountain friend send you for flood relief? 1.5 million?

India lends Bangladesh one billion dollars as ties warm

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 08 Aug 2010 04:09

If this fat little twit, Adnan associates himself with the terrorist state and considers it an honor - then why not charge him a terror tax on his earnings in India?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... 269408.cms

On Monday morning Adnan Sami and his wife Roya flew to Islamabad to meet the Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and dine with him.

Adnan claims his wife and the PM hit it off instantly though they were meeting for the first time. The trio discussed everything but politics that night.

About more important things, primarily food, Adnan was all praises. “The menu,” he says, “Was incredible. We started with mushroom soup, followed by a smoked keema and a very traditional mushroom pulao. Then we had fried fish, lobsters, karela and phirni and gulab jamun for dessert.”

Apparently, Gilani went to Adnan’s ancestral home in Islamabad the next day for lunch. Roya cooked a traditional Afghani pulao, while Adnan prepared Peshawari mutton.

Adnan calls the PM “quite a foodie” but holds a grudge, “Gilani saab seemed to like Roya’s pulao more than my mutton.” Well, there’s something burning and it’s not the food.

Read more: Adnan's dinner with Pakistani PM - Music - Entertainment - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... z0vxpMhsia

See also http://sify.com/news/Impose-a-terror-ta ... jgafi.html

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 Aug 2010 04:15

Gerard wrote:Yo Paklurks, how much did taller than mountain friend send you for flood relief? 1.5 million?

India lends Bangladesh one billion dollars as ties warm

You forget the 624 tents and 1556 tins of Pork that were sent immediately

Anyway Confucious say " Give less aid and shove mirchi laced danda up where the sun ain't shine, lest you end up like Amreeka and pay to get yourself bitten by rabid mongrel"

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Aug 2010 05:30

Lalmohan wrote:Pakistanis desperate to escape flood areas

look at that image of the desperate men clinging to the helicopter skids, ~~i get a scary 'pre-deja vu' sensation... in a few years time that helicopter is India...~~

Pakistanis desperate to escape flood areas
Aug 07, 2010 2:47pm EDT
This is a terrible thing to happen in Pakistan. All of those people left stranded in the flood waters while the president is out playing with his friends. Lucky thing for them the US Army is there to help them. Although, it’s probably the US’s fault that this whole disaster happened in the first place.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 08 Aug 2010 07:00

No need for lectures, says Zardari

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/08/stories ... 741700.htm

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Aug 2010 07:11

I have been watching YouTube's "Pakistan Army Channel" to see what they are doing for flood relief

I found a weird scene - here's a videograb. What Air Force is that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD0DuMT_a_g

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 08 Aug 2010 07:50

Paki camo and roundel.
Their Mi-17s have Pakistan Air Force painted on the tail in the same position as the vidcap.
I think the top of the "T" is obscured

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Aug 2010 08:15

Gerard wrote:Yo Paklurks, how much did taller than mountain friend send you for flood relief? 1.5 million?

India lends Bangladesh one billion dollars as ties warm

Sooi sooi times for the lurks as it hurts H&D.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 08 Aug 2010 08:20

Mr Cameron doesn't understand Pakistan. Sadly, he is not alone

Pakistan is one of the victims and the villains of the ongoing multidimensional conflict that is the legacy of the 9/11 attacks and the now defunct war on terror.

Pakistan is usually viewed through three prisms. The first is that of the Orientalists. Experts, officials, spooks and diplomats still frequently cite Winston Churchill or even Kipling as a useful guide to the North-West Frontier. This is roughly equivalent to using Emile Zola to learn about modern France, Joyce about Ireland or Dickens about today's East End. There has probably been deeper and faster social change in Pakistan in recent decades than in the UK. If you think Thatcherism changed Britain, imagine what the roughly contemporaneous rule of General Zia-ul-Haq did to Pakistan. Or the coming of mass broadcast media and telephones to the smallest rural settlement, where high levels of illiteracy still persist, in the last decade.

The second prism is that of the fragmented failing state. Pakistan is yet to fulfil any of the multiple warnings of imminent collapse since its foundation in 1947. With 180 million people, a dozen different ethnicities, languages, Himalayan mountains and Gulf beaches, Pakistan certainly is diverse. But no more so than many other big countries. Its state and social structures may be catastrophically weak but it is astonishingly resilient. In the last decade, Pakistan has suffered several major natural disasters, a coup and a virtual coup, mass civil unrest, a series of insurgencies that amount to a civil war, the killing of its best-known political leader, massive and barely governed economic growth followed by a crash and many other blows. Somehow Pakistan keeps going. It seems likely to in the next decades.

The third prism is the vision of Pakistan as a "battlefield between the moderates and the extremists". This is perhaps the most misleading. It is true that the exact role of Islam within Pakistan has always been debated – is it a country of Muslims? Or a Muslim country? – and that there are both relatively secular "moderates" and religious extremists. But if the religious right is a fringe element, so too are the "moderates". The "battlefield" prism obscures the critical mass in the middle who, while the two fringes exchange brickbats, is quietly forging a coherent, potent and fairly homogeneous identity.

The conversations we had were deeply depressing. Their view of the west, coloured by conspiracy theories about the true perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks, antisemitism and anti-Zionism, a visceral anti-Americanism and a deep social conservatism, was overwhelmingly negative. The west's material conditions were undoubtedly attractive, many said, but there was no respect for women or the old and there was *****, prostitution and Aids too. People should be able to choose whom they marry, they agreed, and women should work. But a balance none the less had to be kept.

After talking on al-Qaida at the army's headquarters, I was told off by senior officers for repeating the "lies of the western establishment". The "miscreants" against whom their comrades were fighting on the Afghan frontier had been "led astray" by India, the CIA or "the Jews", one colonel said. "We are the army of the nation," said another. It is a statement that is more accurate than many in the west care to think. It also explains policies, such as sponsoring the Afghan Taliban, which bewilder many western observers. This is not to say other values or perceptions do not exist – they do – but just that the views of students in Multan were thus mainstream.

Yet for Pakistan, a decades-old policy continues. We ignore the increasingly powerful cultural and political influence of an increasingly conservative Middle East in the country. We hope our favoured English-speaking moderates, such as the Bhutto clan, can somehow fashion a new ally and partner out of this troublesome nation.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 08 Aug 2010 08:23

Pakistanis Desperate to Escape Flood Areas

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/08/ ... loods.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Aug 2010 08:54

Brad Goodman wrote:Mr Cameron doesn't understand Pakistan. Sadly, he is not alone

I have responded.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Aug 2010 09:00

Shiv, you forgot to explain the meaning of lifafa to the author

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 08 Aug 2010 09:28

is this guy the one who writes in Atimes

Saleem Shahzad out of danger

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: Renowned journalist and bureau chief of a newspaper, Saleem Shahzad, who was shot by the security guard of a club on Friday, is reported to be out of danger. However, police sought a two-day remand of the accused on Saturday.

According to details, Saleem Shahzad went to the Ninth Club for swimming on Friday. The club’s security guard, Ishtiaq Afzal, shot him on the left side of his chest. Shahzad was shifted to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS) where doctors operated upon him.

Sources in PIMS said on Saturday that Shahzad had been shifted from the intensive care unit to the surgical ward as his condition had improved. The Kohsar police registered first information report no 281 under Section 324 of the PPC and presented the accused Ishtiaq Afzal in the court of Justice Ameer Gondal on Saturday and sought physical remand of two days.

Duty-officer at the Kohsar police station, ASI Muhammad Bashir, told Daily Times that he had found the shell of a bullet, which was “a big achievement”. He said Section 324 defined it as an attempt to murder

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 010_pg7_26

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 08 Aug 2010 09:32

Yes, that appears to be the Syed Saleem Shahzad of Atimes

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Aug 2010 09:37

We havent seen Taliban attacking medical camps before. Could the new attack be a sign of Pakis in Afghanistan?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Aug 2010 09:48

Anindya wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... 269408.cms

On Monday morning Adnan Sami and his wife Roya flew to Islamabad to meet the Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and dine with him.

Adnan claims his wife and the PM hit it off instantly though they were meeting for the first time.

Apparently, Gilani went to Adnan’s ancestral home in Islamabad the next day for lunch. Roya cooked a traditional Afghani pulao, while Adnan prepared Peshawari mutton.

Adnan calls the PM “quite a foodie” but holds a grudge, “Gilani saab seemed to like Roya’s pulao more than my mutton.” Well, there’s something burning and it’s not the food.

Adnan Sami must be a worried man now because of Gilani saab's reputation.

Apart from that, these Pakistani bigwigs have time to attend to all these things especially when their country is reeling ? The Pakistani leaders and the elite just want to enjoy good times, swindle as much money as possible and make a pretense of governing a nation. The nation itself somehow survives because powerful interests want it to survive and barely.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 08 Aug 2010 09:51

JeM,

Quite a stinking comment there by some erudite person!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Aug 2010 10:25

Britons donate £4 million to Pakistan flood appeal
Britons have donated £4 million to the flood relief effort in Pakistan.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7932756 ... ppeal.html

The money will go towards helping the 14 million people affected, ( about 30 ruppee per head if no corruption ) including the millions that have been left homeless or are living in cramped and squalid conditions while awaiting assistance. The DEC said some 300,000 people have already been provided with emergency care, clean water, food or shelter as a result of British aid. But it urged anyone who has not yet donated to do so by calling 0370 60 60 900 or visiting dec.org.uk. Brendan Gormley, chief executive of the DEC said: "As always the British public have shown themselves to be extremely generous. "Despite the tough economic times, the public response has been fantastic and the donations we have received are now having a real and immediate impact on people who have been affected by the flooding.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Aug 2010 10:27

Sectarian Clashes Surge in a City in Pakistan’s Heartland
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/world ... .html?_r=1

Blasphemy is a capital crime in Pakistan, and rights activists say the allegations are usually spurious and used to settle personal vendettas or to score political points. In this case, for instance, the troubles started on July 1 when a handwritten letter defaming the Prophet Muhammad was distributed in a marketplace; it contained the address and telephone numbers of both brothers. “A thief does not leave behind an ID card,” said Aslam Pervez, 60, a Christian teacher and a neighbor of the brothers. “A grave injustice has been done. The charges were not even proven, and they were killed. Is it justice? Where is the law?” Analysts say the communal and sectarian clashes often have a local spark — an economic grievance, for instance — that is easily ignited in an atmosphere in which militant groups have been allowed to thrive for years by politicians who use them as a base of support, or have little to gain by standing up to them. Looking to expand their influence, the groups, too, read the political winds as astutely as they do the local political terrain.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 08 Aug 2010 10:31

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... an-sea-880

I thought Ardeshir Cowasjee was a rational individual! Half of his country is buried under water and the other half is burning with reckless terrorists running havoc in the name of religion,sect,ethnicity,politics and what not! And the only thing our man can come up with is a 'brilliant idea' to name Arabian Sea as 'Pakistan Sea'! Man!

While we are at it,Nadeem Paracha does come up with decent columns where he does not shy away from calling a spade a spade.Wonder how the more 'pious' of his brothers have let him live in peace so far?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Aug 2010 10:32

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/ali-s ... ution.html
Wise Ali Sina making appeal to save a soul from islamist hell.

Aleem's family has spent all its wealth in legal fees to prove the innocence of their father. Hector's wife earns the meager salary of a nurse. The two elder daughters work but there are five mouths to feed and the legal fee is eating up everything they earn.More than a year ago, when the case went to the court for the first time, the prosecutor, himself a mullah, did not find enough evidence against Aleem to support his charges. However, he warned the judge that should he release Aleem, the angry mob huddled inside and outside the court may kill him and the judge also may not fare better. This is exactly what happened on July 19 of this year to two Christian brothers, who were gunned down by Muslim militants when they left the court under police custody after a trial hearing in Faisalabad city, Punjab province.So, Aleem was sent back to jail to face more beating in the hands of his jail keepers. They even told him that they would kill him before setting him free. Aleem's family appealed the court's ruling and a second hearing was arranged. This is where we are at now. The new lawyer is confident, but of course he has to be paid first and his fees are beyond what this impoverished family can afford.A kind man from Australia has offered to sponsor Hector Aleem and provide him with a working visa. But first Aleem must be released. More than $7000 dollars are needed just for the legal fees. This is a large sum for a nurse with four children. Mehwish, Aleem's older daughter, has set up a paypal account for those who want to help. Here is the account: http://tinyurl.com/hectoraleem. Please click on it and pay generously. This is Mehwish's email address: [email protected].

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 08 Aug 2010 10:47

Geo blocked over news of shoe hurling at Zardari
...
Meanwhile, many offices of cable operators in Karachi have been set ablaze by angry activists of Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP).

Newspapers’ vendors have been robbed of copies of Jang and Thenews newspapers upon direction of President Asif Ali Zardari and Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira from London, besides, the PPP workers were accompanied by police officials in posing threats to cable operators and hawkers, sources told media.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Aug 2010 11:24

Pakistan ahead of India in nuclear armoury: US Expert

The nuclear information director of Federation of American Scientists (FAS), Hans M Kristensen, has sought to settle the debate on India and Pakistan's nuclear arsenal by declaring that Pakistan doesn't only have more warheads and fissile material but also better delivery systems for such weapons.

Referring to a report in TOI last week, he said that India might again be discovering that Pakistan has a few more nuclear weapons than India. ``As far as I can gauge, apart from nuclear testing where India started first, Pakistan has always been a little ahead in warheads, fissile material and delivery systems,'' said Kristensen in his latest write-up for FAS.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 08 Aug 2010 12:18

Shoes hurled at Zardari in Britain http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 274170.cms

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 08 Aug 2010 12:58

A priceless comment from the above posted Cameroon - TSP article being

"Pakistan being a victim of terror is like a suicide bomber being the victim of explosives"

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 08 Aug 2010 12:59

Prem wrote:Britons donate £4 million to Pakistan flood appeal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7932756 ... ppeal.html
The money will go towards helping the 14 million people affected

UN estimates 4 million people are affected, Did 10% add those extra 10 million people to siphon off aid

http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20100808/8 ... hea_1.html
The United Nations (UN) has estimated that the deluge, which is being described as the worst in the last 80 years, has affected over four million people and killed over 1600.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 08 Aug 2010 13:10

menon s wrote:Man hurls shoes at President Zardari in UK and Joins the DUBYA club.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=109915

What a waste of good shoes.

Zardari probably picked up the shoes, put them on and went home... shameless Paki beggar that he is.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Aug 2010 13:23

SSridhar wrote: The nuclear information director of Federation of American Scientists (FAS), Hans M Kristensen, has sought to settle the debate on India and Pakistan's nuclear arsenal by declaring that Pakistan doesn't only have more warheads and fissile material but also better delivery systems for such weapons.

Referring to a report in TOI last week, he said that India might again be discovering that Pakistan has a few more nuclear weapons than India. ``As far as I can gauge, apart from nuclear testing where India started first, Pakistan has always been a little ahead in warheads, fissile material and delivery systems,'' said Kristensen in his latest write-up for FAS.

WTF??

The above does not add up based on the scientific and industrial base of the two nations.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Aug 2010 13:27

^^
Simple onlee: Door delivery of fully manufactured ding dongs by tarrel than ocean fliends.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Aug 2010 13:32

Dilbu wrote:^^
Simple onlee: Door delivery of fully manufactured ding dongs by tarrel than ocean fliends.

In the tradition of the argumentative Indian

. And the Ding dong better then the Indian maal.

han ji

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Aug 2010 13:36

1 TFTA bomb== 10 SDRE kafir bombs also. Any questions, hainjee?

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 08 Aug 2010 13:38

Please note from the year 2004

INDIA'S NUCLEAR ARSENAL THIRD LARGEST IN THE WORLD

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source ... Zu0BON2M7Q

and

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source ... hwqZSzeVIg

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Aug 2010 13:40

Manishw wrote:Please note from the year 2004

INDIA'S NUCLEAR ARSENAL THIRD LARGEST IN THE WORLD

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source ... Zu0BON2M7Q

^^^ FYI

Just how capable the TFTA bum is. han ji

On second thoughts, the TFTA maal is SFRE maal so it is not TFTA maal so

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 08 Aug 2010 13:40

Pratyush wrote:
Dilbu wrote:^^
Simple onlee: Door delivery of fully manufactured ding dongs by tarrel than ocean fliends.
In the tradition of the argumentative Indian . And the Ding dong better then the Indian maal.

han ji

Boss, this "FAS" also describes Photochor A.Q. Khan as a "scientist"... as if the guy actually accomplished anything in terms of original research. Meanwhile they insist that Indian scientists were talentless thieves who could never have exploded Smiling Buddha if we hadn't stolen fissile material from the foreign-designed CANDU reactor, etc. etc.

"FAS" has a long track record of putting down the Indian maal and hyping the Paki (by extension Chinese) maal, tech, and research institutions in comparison

So take their statements with a pinch of monosodium glutamate only

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Aug 2010 13:45

and not with truck load of NaCl

Just reached 70. the count up to 72 is on.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 08 Aug 2010 14:15

Nihat wrote:A priceless comment from the above posted Cameroon - TSP article being

"Pakistan being a victim of terror is like a suicide bomber being the victim of explosives"

There is a Yiddish word, if I can spell correctly, Hutspur, translated as
'taking a bloody liberty'. There is also the other explanation, that of a man
who murders his parents and pleads the courts clemency because he is
an orphan!

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 08 Aug 2010 14:19

Pratyush wrote:
SSridhar wrote: The nuclear information director of Federation of American Scientists (FAS), Hans M Kristensen, has sought to settle the debate on India and Pakistan's nuclear arsenal by declaring that Pakistan doesn't only have more warheads and fissile material but also better delivery systems for such weapons.

Referring to a report in TOI last week, he said that India might again be discovering that Pakistan has a few more nuclear weapons than India. ``As far as I can gauge, apart from nuclear testing where India started first, Pakistan has always been a little ahead in warheads, fissile material and delivery systems,'' said Kristensen in his latest write-up for FAS.
WTF??

The above does not add up based on the scientific and industrial base of the two nations.

Its not meant to, its to help encourage India to declare what its capability
is!!

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 08 Aug 2010 14:27

Lisa wrote:

Its not meant to, its to help encourage India to declare what its capability
is!!

Fat chance they have, even if the Indian general public came to know of India's true capabilities the public would be baying for some Paki blood from the Politicos.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Aug 2010 14:56

Comments against Mr. Pillai were 'balanced and objective': Qureshi

He said he was "responding to a question and trying to make a point that there were elements on both sides of the border who would not like to see our two countries develop normal relations and, through their vitriolic statements, try to vitiate the bilateral atmosphere."