ramana wrote:Taleban is an ISI supported Pashtun movement in Afghanistan.
Pakiban is a Paki Pashtun movement in TSP which is against Islamabad. It might or might not have ISI support.
The common thing is both have ethnic Pashtuns as the main members.
Ramana,
They have much more in common than being Pashtuns.
The word Taliban is in the name of both the Afghan and Pakistani wings of the movement. They share that name in common for a reason. It means students in Farsi and urdu and it was chosen because both the leadership cadre and the willing, committed cannon fodder in both came out of the same madrasas, and respected the same ulema.
These are not Barelvi madrasas and ulema. They are not Ahle Hadith, or Nadatul Islam, or any other Sunni sect or tendency. They are all part of the Pakistani branch of the Deobandi movement which is centred in Karachi and to a lesser extent Akora Khattak in Khyber-Pakhtunwa.
The Pakiban has taken a more radical turn in its ideology, but that does not come from the Pashtun side as much as the enormous so called "Punjabi Taliban", which is what Pakjabi sectarian groups like the SSP and LeJ have turned in to.
The SSP and LeJ have spent most of their career killing Pakistani Muslims for being Shia, or Ahmedi or even Sunni Barelvi and MQM types. They were initially encouraged in Zia's day, but were some of the first Islamists to have faced state repression under the Sharif brothers and Musharraf when their violence began to threaten internal Pakistani stability.
The Deobandi movement and its madrasas are what allowed for the cross-fertilisation between Pakjab and Pashtun areas. Even though the SSP is and was 90+% Pakjabi, the PA's most dangerous Pakiban enemy, Qari Husain Mehsud, the man who runs the Pakiban's suicide bomber production and targeting (and who has hit both the ISI, SSG and GHQ) is a Pashtun who studied in Karachi at the Farooqia madrasa and like many of his classmates joined sectarian Deobandi tanzims in Pakjab, in this case the LeJ. These kinds of links allowed the leadership of the "Punjabi Taliban" to relocate to the safety of FATA when they faced pressure from the PA. These are the same guys who kidnapped and executed ISI wheeler-dealer and fixer Khalid Khwaja and are still holding one of the ISI's old stars, Col. Imam.
The Pakistani Deobandi tanzims, whether the Afghan or Pakistani wings have produced as far as I know *all* of the suicide bombers that have hit targets in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. The Afghan Taliban uses the same indoctrination, and more importantly recruits from a pool that is based in Pakistan (i.e. Afghan Pashtun refugees), and educated in Pakistani Deobandi madrasas. That is why at the operational level you have so much ideological cross-contamination.
and create consensus among the political forces, then certainly we can go along with the judiciary as well,” he {PM Gilani} said.