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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 01:26
by Muppalla
Probably Maran is also same as Raja and Kani. Agreed. However, entire dump of 2G is DMK honchos only and no one else is even in the pipeline. Everybody is a looter but the focus is on scapegoating at this time. I am very pessimistic to think that DMK folks will turn as approvers.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 01:28
by Muppalla
Tehelka is almost like a magzine written from the bedrooms of Mainos. Exposes coming in Tehelka means Maran is targetted for some reason.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 01:35
by manju
Do you think people with black money would start moving money back to India... anticiapting that a new law will declare all black money stashed outside of country as National Wealth?
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 05:01
by RamaY
pandyan wrote:
Somebody needs to take one for the team...they thought Raja would do it (including couple of assisted soosai and long term heart malfunction)...didnt work so, Kani was taken in....now spreading to Maran (what kind of cheapish moron is he to literally steal a high speed network connection; sun tv is making enough to afford everything with its own money...and founder is $ billionaire...in general, sun tv maran is considered a sharp business man).
money?
Typical game theory. Stakes are raised in rounds until the desired outcome is achieved.
We need to have at least few more rounds of fast-unto-deaths to get to the family.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 06:10
by Manishw
Tamang wrote:
SK?
Rajdeep/Bhupen were trying there level best to dig up dirt on Ramdev, they had likes of Shabnam Hashmi, Digvijay etc as supporting cast. Hashmi kept referring to Ramdev supporters as goons.
sk=Salman khan, last night saw him pour his hatred on NDTV and thanks for the other updates had been out of touch for a while though Rajdeep/bhupen and hashmi are die hard bunch of fanatics for a long time.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 06:12
by Manishw
ravi_ku wrote:Prem ji,
Dont put all your hopes on one person.
You are right but it has been a long-2 time since somebody stood up to these hyper powerful goons so even though it might end in tears but "Dil Hai ki manta nahin".
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 16:18
by Vikas
Why does Agnivesh's get so much footage from media. What is his claim to fame ?
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 16:53
by ManjaM
wrong link. halaaled.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 19:27
by Sushupti
BR says zero loss Sibbal lied and cheated him.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 19:47
by Vashishtha
Can someone please put this whole 'letter' thing as a sequence of events? i am having a tough time figuring out what exactly is the matter.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 19:53
by Manishw
The dirty tricks department is out in full swing against RD and they are throwing up which is stinking to high heavens and the public is becoming more and more aware of it. It is showing in whole public eye.My take is the guys in power are loosing their mind because of their insecurity.The genie is out of the bottle and no matter what shape things take from here they are being exposed to the whole country.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 20:29
by Pranay
Vashishtha wrote:Can someone please put this whole 'letter' thing as a sequence of events? i am having a tough time figuring out what exactly is the matter.
http://live.indiatimes.com/default.cms?timesnow=1
Hear it from Baba Ramdev's mouth.. live.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 21:41
by Manishw
It is very clear, at least to me, that the guys in power had no grand plan to tackle RD but are making things up from the seat of their pants.Totally incompetent.I am counting on this hubris that the Govt. is going to make an even bigger blunder.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 22:42
by kenop
pandyan wrote:
what is the origin of CAG and its audit in general? Why would politicians want to create an agency like CAG that will come back and bite the hands that created it in the first place? Would the monopolistic party of India dismantle it or at least pull the fangs so that they will write reports like "2G created incredible wealth for the poor in india. In fact, this is the largest single social scheme that was implemented since independence and is expected to increase net worth of the poor by 2 lakh crores"
CAG is a constitutional entity and came into being with the adoption of the constitution. It is as serious as that and as good as any other constitutional entity (CEC, parliament etc). CAG has the constitutional duty to audit the government's finances.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 23:01
by anmol
kenop wrote:pandyan wrote:
what is the origin of CAG and its audit in general? Why would politicians want to create an agency like CAG that will come back and bite the hands that created it in the first place? Would the monopolistic party of India dismantle it or at least pull the fangs so that they will write reports like "2G created incredible wealth for the poor in india. In fact, this is the largest single social scheme that was implemented since independence and is expected to increase net worth of the poor by 2 lakh crores"
CAG is a constitutional entity and came into being with the adoption of the constitution. It is as serious as that and as good as any other constitutional entity (CEC, parliament etc). CAG has the constitutional duty to audit the government's finances.
It was there even before independence..
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 04 Jun 2011 23:49
by ramana
Till Mrs. G, everyone knew corruption was for party funds and since it was a transfer of wealth mechanism it was all over the table. RG broke the consensus with Bofors scam where he got the funds in his katha. The rot started from there and did not end.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 00:12
by kenop
anmol wrote:
It was there even before independence..
A little nit-pick: the present mechanism is defined in the constitution of India. That is all I meant to convey.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 02:20
by jagga
RD Arrested
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 02:21
by Sushupti
Wondering where is the remote control of what happened at Ramlia ground today?. 5000 policeman, 15 companies of armed police, lathicharging , heavy teargas shell firing for almost an hour on sleeping people, destroying the stage,audio system etc.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 02:31
by Muppalla
They even dismantled the stage. Timesnow is saying the government has miscalculated and by arresting him they made him a hero.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 02:35
by Muppalla
The police commissioner is saying he is moved to a safe house and not arrested or detained. Meanwhile home secretary GK Pillai says that Ramdev fled from back with his supporters.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 02:37
by Dhiman
Sushupti wrote:Wondering where is the remote control of what happened at Ramlia ground today?. 5000 policeman, 15 companies of armed police, lathicharging , heavy teargas shell firing for almost an hour on sleeping people, destroying the stage,audio system etc.
A corrupt government of few exploiting the rest of the population steps in and applies force to disband an otherwise peaceful protest. Now where have I heard that before????
This may very well be start of a civil unrest against the corrupt rulers who have been subverting the will of the population for decades now...
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 02:38
by Sushupti
NO-WIN SITUATION
It will prove to be embarrassing for the Manmohan Singh Government if former Telecom Minister A Raja stands in the witness box and says he has not acted on his own, and that the PMO, the Finance Ministry and others were aware of what he had done.
Sources say that Raja has thought of a way to defend himself — to put the Government in the witness box. And the same approach is being followed by advocates of Shahid Balwa and Sanjay Chandra who have told the court that their clients did not connive with Raja and if there ever was a plan then the Manmohan Government was involved.
According to sources, Raja has details of his correspondence with the PMO, the Ministry of Finance and the Telecom Regulatory Authority of India. It is said, he has 18 letters which have been either written by him or written to him. He also has details of the days on which he attended Cabinet meetings. With the help of this, Raja will tell the court that the Government was involved in the decisions taken by him. Sources also tell you that Raja had met the then Solicitor-General GE Vahanvati and External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee and discussed the telecom policies. The Government has now decided not to auction 2G spectrum. This has made JPC chairman PC Chako raise the question of the constitutionality of the investigation made by CAG. With Raja preparing himself for the hearing of his first bail petition, the Government is definitely in a quandary.
http://www.dailypioneer.com/343474/Ramd ... -week.html
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 03:02
by Sushupti
General Dyear tha, Yeh Sonia Kayar hai
: a lady at fast venue who was pulled by her hair and beaten by police.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 03:07
by Anantha
The TV images and the way things are going looks very similar to the Tianamen Square protests. The tanks have not rolled in yet
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 03:39
by Sushupti
Arnab hinting someone within Congress party gave the order for the action.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 03:51
by Sushupti
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 04:56
by Manishw
As I was apprehensive above the Govt has committed the 'Blunder', but have inflicted more damage on themselves than RD could hope to achieve.Sad day in the history of India.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 06:21
by ramana
ShyamD, Just got the implications of MK's son being treated for cancer.
DMK is the scape goat for the 2G scam corruption. The whole thing is being foisted on them as they can't fight back.
MK aging, MKS on way out, Azhagiri is a village thug and hence wont appeal to urban voters.
Just a John Edwards in US is the designated politician to take rap for all the funds diversion so too the DMK.
Hats off to ShyamSP for giving this line of thought.
Someone else told me the whole AIDMK setup was old TN INC stalwarts did the initial founding.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 07:52
by Sushupti
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ramde ... 110604.htm
The government and Baba Ramdev [ Images ] have been unable to come to a negotiated settlement over the Baba's indefinite fast at Delhi's [ Images ] Ramlila Maidan.
But the real story is the widening gulf between the Sonia Gandhi-led Congress party and the Dr Manmohan Singh [ Images ] led United Progressive Alliance [ Images ] government which has now come out almost in the open.
In an interesting development,
Sonia Gandhi [ Images ] called a meeting of senior leaders at her residence at 6.30 pm on Saturday. Calls were made to all the members of the Congress Working Committee, including Dr Singh, to attend the meeting.
At the same time, Telecom Minister Kapil Sibal [ Images ] was holding a press briefing to inform the media about the letter written by Baba Ramdev on Saturday, where he had reportedly agreed to call off the fast in a day or two, even before he began his protest.
According to Sibal, Baba Ramdev had already agreed to the government's request, but stated that he needed to carry on the fast for a day or two.
It is learnt that soon after calling the meeting, Gandhi cancelled it. The party has now asked the government to go all out to expose the Baba for the manner in which he was holding the government to ransom.
A senior leader, considered to be close to Gandhi, expressed his unhappiness over the manner in which the government had appeared totally ineffective about the Ramdev issue. He said it was the responsibility of the government to act on such issues but the reality was that it had not been able to handle the crisis situation. It was after this comment was made that Gandhi called the meeting of senior leaders to discuss the situation, before cancelling it.
Gandhi even took Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee [ Images ] to task for going to the airport to meet Baba Ramdev after his arrival to persuade him to call off the fast, according to sources.
She is learnt to have told him that he should not have done that as it sent a wrong message. Mukherjee accepted that it was a mistake on his part that should have been avoided, said sources.
The tension has peaked in the Congress party and the blame game is on about who is responsible for the mess and fiascos which are taking place at regular intervals, with the government unable to act at the right time in the given situation.
Baba Ramdev announced on Saturday afternoon that he was satisfied with the assurances given by the government and he would be willing to call off his fast once he gets a written assurance. That is a clear sign that the Baba has caved in with Kapil Sibal successfully exposing the yoga guru for his claims.
The letters have delayed matters by a day, say senior leaders, since the government is now redrafting the written assurance to the Baba, as demanded by him. The verbal assurance is seen as a face saver for the yoga guru, who is being backed comprehensively by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ].
Renu Mittal In Delhi
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 07:55
by Muppalla
regarding BR's arrest at midnight using about 5000 policemen etc,. there are two thoughts
(1) The congress is pretty clear that common Indians in India may have been completely dhimmified. For this generation, likes of Shabana Azmi and Javed Akhtars are sofisticated and really more patriotic where as folks like Baba Ramdev and his million followers are uneducated-village masses joined by unsofisticated facistic temple going useless idiots (also called as mass hysteric murderers).
(2) The c-system that I named in the first few pages of this thread thought this is the best opportunity to kill the congress party permanently in Hindi heartland. Just like they plotted ousting congress from Andhra Pradesh by annnouncing Telangana, this one single event may have the potential of wiping out INC from the entire hindi heartland and may have removed even the dreams of partial revival.
If (1) is true then there no further discussion. There will be further repressive things to follow. If (2) is correct then Sonia and Rahul have to think where the next thappad will come from and who will be culprit.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 07:56
by Manishw
The Baba is nowhere to be found and the dirty tricks department will now spin the story that he abandoned his people in the middle of the night and ran away though the truth might be that he is being tortured in some 'secure place'.
JMT
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 08:14
by Sushupti
Diggy is giving the statement where he is calling BRD a thug.He is accusing BRD of murder.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 08:16
by Muppalla
Diggy is doing a full paced mud slinging.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 08:22
by Sushupti
BRD has been treated the way a thug should have been treated. : Diggy
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 08:48
by kmkraoind
Congress had successfully employed the saam dan bhed dand neeti and they think they had succeeded, but its going to be severely backfiring and will hunt down badly.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 08:56
by Sushupti
who the hell in congress is trying to stop RG ascend the throne?
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 08:57
by Manishw
Sushupti wrote:http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ramde ... 110604.htm
The letters have delayed matters by a day, say senior leaders, since the government is now redrafting the written assurance to the Baba, as demanded by him. The verbal assurance is seen as a face saver for the yoga guru, who is
being backed comprehensively by the
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the
Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ].
Renu Mittal In Delhi
Renu mitttal my personnel opinion is that you are a
nut job.Baba is being backed by crores of Indics.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 09:23
by Tamang
Manishw wrote:Renu mitttal my personnel opinion is that you are a nut job.Baba is being backed by crores of Indics.
Check out her previous articles to know about her leanings.
Baba Ramdev was hiding in a saree: Pillai
"The Baba was hiding in a saree of his female devotees when we arrested him at 4.15 am." said G K Plillai, home secretary while talking to rediff.com. He said Baba is on his way to his ahram in Hardwar in police custody, and he is calm and cooperating.
Mr. Pillai needs to weigh his words more while speaking publicly.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 05 Jun 2011 09:32
by Muppalla
Pillai is really good in enraging the already angry ones. This is the third time he did that and he did it per my expectations.
