Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Apr 2014 04:00

svenkat wrote:KLN Murthyji,
we do not have to bear any pain.We can pretend to be indifferent to this state,while building up our strengths and .....Hakim Sahib himself has said the maximum echandee problem in pakistan will be when we just ignore it while fortifying India.

The point is to actively inflict pain as we did with apartheid south africa, which I emphasize never did us any harm.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 20 Apr 2014 07:11

The British do ask some bizarre questions. Jan Morris, whom I have mentioned before, wrote that s/he had asked a Kashmiri the question 'Are you happy?'

Now if an Indian hack were to go Essex and ask the same of a native, it would only appear ludicrous.
I suppose the British have a certain panache. Whereas in Indian culture the same would be merely uncouth.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2014 07:23

sanjaykumar wrote: I suppose the British have a certain panache. Whereas in Indian culture the same would be merely uncouth.

Well said. Indians tend to accept odd questions from strangers because IMO as a nation we are xenophilic - or at least not xenophobic - and after British rule anything gora asks is OK.

An Indian in the UK has to show more finesse and ask (in hot weather) if cooling systems are installed in houses, or in cold weather about heating costs and the cost of living. There are areas in the UK where a coloured non resident should not be doing too much interviewing. India as a country is not yet sophisticated enough to give travel advisories to Indians.

One advantage (or disadvantage) of travel warnings is that it will make Indians wary of foreigners - and over time Indians will become xenophobic - to an extent- treating visitors they way they have been warned that they will be treated abroad.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2014 07:41

kish wrote: I would like to ask you something, couple of years ago there was a discussion here on how the Indian politicians fear the "Unpredictability" of pakistan. This is the main factor in deterring any meaningful response for paki sponsored terrorism, Several BRFiets agreed their "unpredictability" is there strength.

Now several pakis associate this "unpredictability" to Narendra Modi (paki ammbasadors, paki special envoys, paki media, etc ), the same feeling is shared by the west, WKKs, RNIs. some paki forum discuss "what if Modi uses nuclear weapons against pakistan?", "Will there be war with India?", etc. They are really really scarred about Modi.

Would pakis really contemplate a terrorist attack?

Kish there are some groups in Pakistan who lose nothing by attacking India. I think too many of us think like patriots who care for the entire nation. For example if I asked you to play the role of Indian Army Chief you would probably think in a mature way and not simply create an incident on the border with China just to provoke China. Theoretically you could do that. Maybe there will be an international incident. Some skirmishes. Some men killed etc. In India you would face court martial. That would nver happn in Pakistan. No skin off your nose personally even though you were responsible for death and economic consequences for the country. If someone paid you money in Switzerland for doing that you would not care. Pakis are like that

In Pakistan - an army chief or a person like Hafiz Saeed in cooperation with Paki army has it even better. They would be admired as heroes who gave Modi a bloody nose that set the tone for his stint as PM. And what would India do? india would certainly not invade Pakistan. OK maybe we take revenge and kill 50 Paki soldiers and destroy a whole lot of border infrastructure in retaliation. But that is no direct loss for Paki army chief or Hafiz Saeed. All losses will be suppressed and hidden. What will be highlighted in Pakistan is the heroism and Allahs support of Pakistan standing up to kafir e Azam Modi. So no matter how much loss Pakis suffer the army chief would survive with increased honour and respect

Pakistan is so dysfunctional that it is our duty to anticipate and take action. Have you noticed the way all of India rise up in outrage after an incident like Hemjar being beheaded. In Pakistan terrorist incidents where dozens are killed do not provoke the same public outrage and demands for government accountability. Note that the Paki army and government and "social" organizations like Jamaat ud Dawa (LeT's political wing) are neither blamed nor are they asked to help stop the mayhem

We Indians tend to think of Pakistan as a country like India with people and institutions who ract like they do in India. One of the reasons why I have been howling for a name change of this thread is that it is at least a token that indicates that we recognize that Pakitan is not a normal functioning whole state but a non functioning kabila ruled bunch of ethno-linguistic groups. That is not a nation.

India was spot on in saying that the two nation theory was wrong. But not in the way people imagine. It is not two nations, it i India and multiple Islamic states.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 20 Apr 2014 09:46

what is this I pooch???

Pakistan declares China an Islamic Republic

[url=xxxhttp://www.dawn.com/news/1100925/pid-declares- ... c-republic]PID ‘declares’ China an Islamic Republic[/url]

While issuing a routine media statement, the Press and Information Department (PID) may have inadvertently declared China an Islamic Republic.

Buried within the 1,500 words of Press Release No. 151 is the paragraph, “The Cabinet gave Approval for Signing of Protocol for the Period from Nov 2004 to Nov 2012 and Approval for Revision of Protocol between the Government of Islamic Republic of China for Scientific and Technical Cooperation in Surveying and Mapping.”

The faux pas is not exactly a rare occurrence. A series of similar blunders has plagued the Prime Minister’s (PM) media office over the past week, suggesting that the federal government’s mouthpiece has trouble getting its facts straight.

On April 14, a statement on Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s meeting with visiting South Korean premier said that PM Chung Hongwon was accompanied by “Mr Han Jinhyun, Vice Minister for Trade and Energy from the Chinese side”. Only three days later a statement

regarding a Cabinet Committee on National Security (CCNS) meeting renamed it the National Security Committee. CCNS was created last August, and a National Security Committee has yet to be constituted.

However, as the official source on all things ‘government’, it may be premature to call this a mistake. Perhaps the note in Press Release No. 151 is intentional, and the PID knows something no one else does. hain

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2014 11:14

About the attack on Hamid Mir

Meanwhile, in a startling accusation on TV, Amir Mir, Hamid’s brother blamed ISI chief Lt. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam for the attack.

He said two weeks ago, his brother had sent a videotaped message to the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) saying that if there was an attack on him, the ISI chief was to be held responsible.

Responding to the charge, a spokesperson for the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) said making allegations against the ISI head without any basis was “highly regrettable and misleading.”

So, this is like another SSS case.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 Apr 2014 11:22

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Apr 2014 11:25

SS, very much so...

I think the intention was clearly to kill, not to maim. It appears he is finished, unless he leaves the country.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2014 12:37

JEM, agreed, the question though is what did he do recently that aggravated the matters to this extent ? I haven't been tracking him lately.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2014 12:39

News says that Mir had his intestine damaged by a bullet. Calling him "out of danger" means that either the intestine is not damaged (that would be a grievous injury) or the report is an error. Hitting that part means intent to kill. In fact gun means intent to kil. Kidnapping and beating up is more ISI style.

Need to see which way Geo TV will go.

I really wonder whether the ISI would do this. Sounds more like Taliban. Mir was a liberal face - a face that helps Pakis look good in front of western aid givers. Only the Taliban would want to disrupt that.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Apr 2014 12:54

T-i-T has accepted responsibility via twitter a/c ? don't know if it's genuine.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 Apr 2014 13:06

any photos/videos of the Mir attack?

After all attacks Paki media shows the blood or the victim injured.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Apr 2014 13:06

My understanding of why this happened to him:

People like Syed Saleem Shahzad and Mir walk a very very fine line.

The Talibs use people like SSS and Mir to get out their points of view and both these gents have been very careful in the way they put out information about the Taliban. They know/knew much much more than what they write about. And these "journalists" are sympathetic to them. They understand, and demonstrate empathy with the Taliban's goals and objectives. But they are "journalists" only in name - in fact they are also "spies" (for lack of a better word) and "negotiators", and "conciliators" - all rolled into one. They know the game they are playing, and it's a high-risk activity for which they know death is a possible outcome - this has nothing to do with journalistic integrity or any such crap. (This has to do with the same sort of thrill-seeking mentality that makes Felix Baumgartner jump out of a space shuttle with a jet attached to his asshole or whatever).

They also know they have less utility for the ISI than they have for the Taliban. The latter need them more. But they exist at ISI pleasure. So they are much more sensitive to it's interests. But as the screws tighten on Pakistan, the level of sensitivity required has been getting very fine indeed. And the ISI does not give a sh1t. They know they can kill any journalist and no one is going to open their mouths. Some irrelevant newspaper in the US (Post, Times, LATimes, CSMonitor) may write a couple stories. Then ProPublica will come with an expose. And then everyone will forget about it. Same with the broadcast media. And the US government can't be bothered.

These "journalists" know this too. But they are human. Sometimes their petty fame goes to their heads and they say or do something. Sometimes they really think they will make a difference. Sometimes they just fu(k up. This irritates someone in the agency. And they decide his time is up. Taking him out is cheap. That's all. It's nothing dramatic.

In the case of Hamid Mir, I haven't been tracking him lately either... but I have "sensed" a shift towards politics, a tendency to move from newstrader to newsmaker, from analyst to perhaps analist for the Pashtuns... Maybe I'm wrong, but who can look at Hamid Mir's career over the past couple of years and be completely surprised that he was bound to be the recipient or leaden gifts at high velocity?

partha · Post by **partha** » 20 Apr 2014 13:11

shiv wrote: I really wonder whether the ISI would do this. Sounds more like Taliban. Mir was a liberal face - a face that helps Pakis look good in front of western aid givers. Only the Taliban would want to disrupt that.

Only in Pakistan can Hamid Mir be considered a liberal for the bar is too low in Pakistan. He is a closet jihadi like most Pakistani liberals. Here are some links which show how liberal he is -

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http://web.archive.org/web/20100517095523/http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\05\16\story_16-5-2010_pg1_6

Hamid Mir’s terrifying indiscretions

LAHORE: A shocking audiotape of a conversation between Hamid Mir – one of the country’s top TV anchors – and a man purportedly linked to the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, has revealed that negative information that Mir passed on to the Taliban could have led to the execution of Khalid Khawaja, the retired Air Force official allegedly killed by a group calling themselves the ‘Asian Tigers’.

The tape – which has Mir divulging dirt on Khawaja, ostensibly to someone who is going to cross examine him – was first posted by the Let Us Build Pakistan blog, and picked up by other online publications, including Café Pyala. It is still unclear who made the tape, with online speculation suggesting that it could be the militants themselves, or even intelligence agencies who released the recording.

Whatever the source may be, it is clear that one of the voices on the tape is Mir’s, a fact corroborated by his allusions to events such as his sacking from the daily Ausaf. In the tape, the person on the other end asks Mir for information on Khalid Khawaja. The content of the conversation suggests that this call was made before Khawaja’s execution earlier this month. Mir goes on to detail what he knows about Khawaja’s background, linking him to the CIA, an international network of Qadianis and an American named Mansur Ejaz, who, Mir claims, even offered to solve the Kashmir issue.

At one point, the voice on the other end claims to have abducted Khawaja. Here, Mir volunteers further information linking Khawaja to the Lal Masjid operation, saying that Khawaja and his wife were the ones responsible for the death of Ghazi Rasheed and the humiliating capture of Maulana Abdul Aziz and his family. Mir then urges the man to cross-examine Khawaja about his relationship with Mansur Ejaz, Qadianis and a CIA agent named William Casey.

Mir also mentions Javed Paracha – the Kohat-based PML-N lawmaker who offered to mediate Khawaja’s release. Towards the end of the tape, the voice on the other end says that he will relay the information (that Mir has given) to Hakeemullah Mehsud. staff report

Points of interest in the conversation

* Hamid Mir’s disparaging attitude towards Qadianis (in his own words, he considers them worse than kaafirs)

* His nonchalance when suicide bombings or the looting of NATO trucks are mentioned

* Mir’s repeated references to occasions where Khawaja has personally ‘betrayed’ him (He holds Khawaja personally responsible for his departure from the daily Ausaf)

* The high degree of reverence with which Mir refers to Ghazi Rasheed, Javed Paracha and other terrorists, including Abdul Rehman Kennedy

https://lubpak.com/archives/69530

Transcript of Hamid Mir’s conversation with a Punjabi Taliban (Lashkar-e-Jhangvi) terrorist:

HM: Khalid Khawaja, according to my opinion, is not an ISI man, rather he is a CIA agent, an American CIA agent and he has links with the Taliban leadership.

UM: Yes, he met with Hakimullah and others when he came here last time.

HM: I personally know that Khalid Khawaja has links not only with CIA but he is also a front man of Mansoor Ijaz who belongs to a very big international network of Qadiyanis. Once he came to me along with Mansoor, who had a briefcase with him, and Khalid Saab told me that Mansoor is a key representative of the US government, so arrange his meeting with Syed Salahuddin, who is a mujahideen leader, and he along with him would resolve the Kashmir issue.

UM: All right.

HM: But I asked him what charm or magic lamp does he posses for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute. He said he had links with the Indian government and (Atal Bihari) Vajpayee Jee, which surprised me. I didn’t arrange the meeting, but I asked Mr Salahuddin who said Khalid Khawaja is sending messages that you should directly talk to India and the US on the issue and exclude Pakistan from it.

UM: All right, all right.

HM: After that, Mansoor Ijaz also asked me: Are you with us or not? I said, “I am not with you.” Then he conspired against me and got me sacked from the Daily Ausaf when I was its editor. So, I think Khalid Khawaja not only has links with the CIA but he is also an agent of the Qadiyanis, and I am very sad that he used to go to the Tribal Areas and meet leaders there.

HM: He (Khawaja) himself has confessed in front me that he had links with William Casey. Ok! Leave William, ask him about the Qadiyanis, because I personally believe that Qadiyanis are worse than infidels, what kind of links does he have with Qadiyanis? What relationship does he have with Mansoor Ijaz? Why does he use his money? Why does he go everywhere with him when he comes to Pakistan? Why does he bring him to the mujahideen?

Some of the Indian reaction seems to make a hero out of Hamid Mir. I am sure they don't know one bit about him. Dumbest reaction has been from Sagarika Ghose who did a == with situation in Pakistan and "Modi's India". She has to be the dumbest among all the journos in India. Even a street reporter of TV9 will have more IQ than her.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Apr 2014 13:15

^^^
So these paki journos are the Barkha Dutts of pakistan except that the paki clients play for keeps.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2014 13:52

Wasn't Hamid Mir the guy who always seemed to be revealing dirt aka the truth in Pakistan? I must admit I never watched any of his linked YouTube shows in full. He looked (to my possibly uninformed mind) like a guy who was tolerated by the establishment because he seemed to be pulling up so much dirt and he was the face of " free press" in Pakistan. These things translate into billions for Pakis so I wonder if the ISI would be so crude as to simply try and bump him off. Maybe my assessment of him is wrong. I mean is there anyone in Pakistan who has the guts to be openly critical of the Taliban?

It is OK to be critical of the establishment and within limits, of the army. Looks like "Free, liberal Pakistani press". If he appeared like a faker whose shows were actually earning the Pakis goodwill from Amrika some Talibunny may have wanted to take him out.

Someone please correct me if my impression of this guy is mistaken.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2014 14:02

shravan wrote:any photos/videos of the Mir attack?

After all attacks Paki media shows the blood or the victim injured.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Apr 2014 14:08

Just another thought. This attack will be seen as an attack on press freedom in Pakistan. Such declarations lead to condemnation and travel advisories and travel advisories is bad press. The ISI is, IMO, sophisticated enough to understand the financial and PR implications of such an attack. The Taliban don't give a damn.

The Pakistani army and establishment have the most to lose by what appears to be an attack on press freedom.

Or else they too are beyond caring? I doubt that though. The money is still pouring in.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Apr 2014 16:25

Ha. . .ha. What a joke. Pak President Drops Nigeria Visit over Security Issues there

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Apr 2014 16:39

Dilbu wrote:100 Pakistani youngsters visit China to improve ties
Islamabad- A delegation of Pakistani youth has left for Pakistan after wrapping up their visit to China.

According to reports, a delegation of one hundred Pakistani youth completed their visit to China and left for Pakistan from Beijing. The visit was part of bilateral exchanges of youth and people to people contact programme. The objective of this programme is to bring people of Pakistan and China closer through enhanced exchanges of youth visits.
Tarrel than mountain fliend is going to regret this move.

Dilbu Ji :

The Pakistani Youth - both Males and Females - are Performing the Garba Raas (I believe it also is similar to the Hindu Ritual Dances in Nothern India) - which is a "Hindu Cultural Dance"!

I aglee with you that the Tallel than mountain fliend is going to leglet this move of allowing this proglamme to bling the people of Tellolist Pakistan and China closel .

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Apr 2014 16:41

Cross Posted on the Islamism & Islamophobia Tread :

Islamist Extremism 'A Deadly Problem For Charity'

A charities' watchdog has warned that Islamist extremism is the "most deadly" problem the sector faces.

William Shawcross, chairman of the Charity Commission , said it was "ludicrous" that people convicted of terrorism offences or money laundering are not barred from setting up charities.

He told The Sunday Times the commission was taking action against any charity that was "sending cash to extremist groups in Syria" or "dispatching young Britons for training in Syria by al Qaeda or other extremist groups".

He said: "The problem of Islamist extremism and charities... is not the most widespread problem we face in terms of abuse of charities, but is potentially the most deadly. And it is, alas, growing.

"I'm sure that in places like Syria and Somalia it is very, very difficult for agencies always to know what the end use of their aid is, but they've got to be particularly vigilant."

In February, the Charity Commission was criticised as "feeble" after an investigation by MPs on the Public Accounts Committee , which found it had failed to act robustly on clear cases of abuse.

Mr Shawcross described the criticism as "completely wrong", but said the watchdog needs better funding and legal powers to improve its function.

He added he had written to the Prime Minister asking for legislation to strength its powers.

Cheers

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 20 Apr 2014 16:59

Is there a tussle between Gen. Sharif and DG ISI? It seems the general is closer to Nawaz and Zaheerlul Islam is close to Kayani. It is possible that during the transition a deal was brokered between Nawaz and Kayani that you decide Army chief and I decide ISI chief?

Hamid Mir was always an agent of the establishment. In 2009 he was taking side of Taliban in Swat because the army was reluctant to open a front against them. Mir changes colours with the army shifts its policies. Recently in Capital Talk he was taking Army's position. No problem there.

Is he the casualty of internal tussle? The political dimensions in pakistan are changing and Nawaz is not afraid of challenging the army establishment. While Gen Sharif is on Nawaz's side may be Islam called the shot on Hamid. Why specifically him I don't know but it seems there is nothing hunky-dory within the army establishment.

Immediately after the attack on Mir Nawaz called the meeting. Oh he was that important hmm.

Read this report (from PML-N mouthpiece) couple of days back. Is the regular national security Council committee meeting.
DG ISI had to face tough questions from all
DG ISI had to face tough questions from all

At one point, Zaheerul Islam claimed that some elements of Jundullah, a defunct organisation, were active in Balochistan upon which the prime minister gently asked the DG ISI whose job was this to inform the government about it

During the briefing, the DG ISI mentioned Iran’s close relations with India on which Nawaz Sharif calmly reminded him of the government’s policy that they had nothing to do with the internal matter of any of the neighbours

During the course of the meeting, the army chief, on a number of occasions, assured the prime minister that things would be done according to the directions of the prime minister.

Some participants, however, observed some unease between the army chief and DG ISI.

Interesting time ahead.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Apr 2014 17:20

http://www.dawn.com/news/1100868/moral-dilemmas

Moral dilemmas
Irfan Husain

Published 2014-04-19

A READER recently accused me of inconsistency. He pointed out that despite my advocacy of human rights, I had argued for tough action and laws against terrorists.

He went on to argue — quite rightly — that the state ought not to stoop to the level of the militants in its attempt to defeat them. I agree that there is no moral equivalence between the criminal actions of insurgents and terrorists, and the means adopted by the state to combat these criminals.

Moving from the general to the specific, we in Pakistan find ourselves at war with a cruel foe who is not bound by the Geneva Conventions. He has unleashed the most barbaric violence against the people and institutions of Pakistan. What should our response be?

Should we deal in his own coin and use similarly vicious means, suspending our own liberal laws and civil liberties in the process? To an extent, other countries have done just this: witness the robust laws and anti-terror forces put in place in the West after 9/11. Despite the many human rights violations that have resulted, these countries have managed to contain the threat of Islamist terrorism.

But it is easier to enact laws and take tough action against the ‘other’: the perceived danger in the West largely comes from immigrant Muslims and their descendants, making it easier to crack down with wide public support. In Sri Lanka, the Tamils are widely seen as outsiders by the majority Sinhalese, allowing the government to adopt draconian measures against the separatist LTTE.

Things are not as clear-cut in Pakistan. The Taliban and their various constituent factions are widely viewed as misled brethren, despite all the atrocities they have committed. This is why so many Pakistanis support Nawaz Sharif in his efforts to negotiate with them. Interestingly, the Baloch nationalist movement receives no such understanding, and security forces are allowed to conduct their brutal campaign against the Baloch without much criticism by the Pakistani public and the media.

The reality is that it is only when the extremist threat strikes close to us that we demand tough action. When it hits, say, the Shias, most Sunnis are largely unmoved. We make the right noises condemning the attacks, but then move on.

Another truth to confront is the fact that as a people, we are conditioned to take violence in our stride. Cruelty and inhumanity are part of the background in our daily lives. So what the Taliban are doing just adds another layer to the ongoing brutishness.

When Chaudhry Aslam was killed by the Taliban in a suicide attack a few months ago, his death was widely mourned because he was seen as a cop who fought the Taliban with their weapons, giving no quarter. Knowing the terrorists he arrested would soon be released by our lax legal system, he allegedly killed them in fake encounters. For this, he was admired, not reviled, by most of us.

An echo of this moral dilemma can be heard in the great drone debate. Here we have the world’s only superpower and our ally bogged down in a vicious war next door. Militants based on our soil slip over the border to launch attacks on Nato targets, and then return to their sanctuaries in the tribal areas. Al Qaeda operatives and other foreign fighters also hide in these badlands.

The rules of engagement do not permit our allies to pursue their enemies into Pakistan. Our own army will not, or cannot, stop these cross-border attacks. Under these circumstances, what should the Americans do?

As a Pakistani, I abhor the idea of foreign drones flying over our skies, targeting militants and occasionally causing civilian casualties. But as a realist, I ask what then should be done? Liberals here and abroad insist that due process should be followed, and suspects brought to justice before courts of law.

Really? How? As we have noted, our tribal areas are not under the Pakistani state’s control, so to talk of sovereignty fools nobody. And as our security forces have proved to be incapable of enforcing the writ of the state, outside forces will intervene if they are attacked.

So we end up with a contradiction between our respect for human rights and the very real threat we face today. If we do what we have been doing for years — nothing — then we risk losing the war against extremism. And yet if we resort to extra-legal means to combat terrorism, we erode the values that define civilised states.

Other states have faced this dilemma and made tough choices. We need to decide quickly where we stand. Time is running out.
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Yes Mr.Husain.Moral dilemma indeed! Poor Pakistan.You are very right in your conclusions,but where were you when your own country for decades sent over into India the very same sort of scumbag terrorists....and still do? You were conspicuous by your silence.Did you protest when the Indian parliament was attacked or when hundreds of innocent Indians were killed in the 26/11 Bombay attacks? Have you called for accountability well knowing who in your country were behind the diabolic attacks? As long as terrorism was directed against enemy India you kept your mouth and sphincter firmly shut.You merely ranted and raved (from the UK) against the parasites and leeches within your own country,but absolved them of their perfidy against India.You are as venal and morally bankrupt as they are.Your terrorist infested garbage dump that is called Pakistan will end up on the dungheap of history,a bloodstained land that once was part of glorious India,a legacy that your tribe has done everything to disavow and for which you are paying the price in blood,and surviving in the most putrefying pigsty on the planet!

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Apr 2014 18:07

SSridhar wrote:About the attack on Hamid Mir
Meanwhile, in a startling accusation on TV, Amir Mir, Hamid’s brother blamed ISI chief Lt. Gen. Zaheer-ul-Islam for the attack.

He said two weeks ago, his brother had sent a videotaped message to the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) saying that if there was an attack on him, the ISI chief was to be held responsible.

Responding to the charge, a spokesperson for the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) said making allegations against the ISI head without any basis was “highly regrettable and misleading.”
So, this is like another SSS case.

Certainly looks that way. A case of the Uniformed Jihadi's of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan attempt to do an SSS on Hamid Mir gone awry.

For those looking for history, Dexter Filkins writing for the New Yorker on the beating to death of Syed Saleem Shahzad by the Uniformed Jihadis of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

The Journalist and the Spies : The murder of a reporter who exposed Pakistan’s secrets.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Apr 2014 18:51

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CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Apr 2014 18:51

Guys, just a cursory sampling of the DDM tells you what a bunch of ignorant imbeciles they are for crying out and making a so called "liberal" or "hero" out of closet Jihadi thug like Hamid Mir. Anybody with an ounce of "know your TSP" IQ will tell you that this scum bag is just another Jihadi Lodhi or Jihadi Sethi type frauds. They are allowed space to "speak out" against "bad terrorists", and they get kudos in the west (and by extension DDM), but they are every f$%&ing bit as hateful and vengeful against India as the pigLeT foot soldiers. Thats why I say the first task of a Modi govt, were he to come to power is disseminate the truth about this TSP abomination.

kish · Post by **kish** » 20 Apr 2014 19:04

Just when you think there were no ijlamic activities like bombing, suicide attacks, target killing, sectarian violence in pakisatan. Arrah blesses them with something to cheer about.

Pakistan bus crash kills 42, several seriously hurt

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 20 Apr 2014 19:40

Whats up with Seema Goswami. Consistently tweeting pro paki tweets. The chatter has gone up since Mir was shot and now #sendmetopak hash tag trending. She seems to be getting to Javed Naqwi and Kuldeep Nayyar level WKK

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Apr 2014 19:46

Brad Goodman wrote:Whats up with Seema Goswami. Consistently tweeting pro paki tweets. The chatter has gone up since Mir was shot and now #sendmetopak hash tag trending. She seems to be getting to Javed Naqwi and Kuldeep Nayyar level WKK

Can you post some, just to get an idea. I am not a twitter/fbook guy.

saip · Post by **saip** » 20 Apr 2014 20:23

Gas balloons explode burning 17 people in Lahore

Link

I wonder what gas was used to fill these balloons. I don't think channa pindi gas would explode like this.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 20 Apr 2014 20:35

saip wrote:Gas balloons explode burning 17 people in Lahore

Link

I wonder what gas was used to fill these balloons. I don't think channa pindi gas would explode like this.

balloons went up and then landed and then exploded? Djin taknik! mijjile balloons??

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 20 Apr 2014 21:16

CRamS wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Whats up with Seema Goswami. Consistently tweeting pro paki tweets. The chatter has gone up since Mir was shot and now #sendmetopak hash tag trending. She seems to be getting to Javed Naqwi and Kuldeep Nayyar level WKK
Can you post some, just to get an idea. I am not a twitter/fbook guy.

Seema Goswami ‏@seemagoswami · 2h
By the by, has anyone checked with Pakistan if it will let the entire anti-Modi brigade in? The influx may turn Pak into a Hindu Rashtra!

Seema Goswami ‏@seemagoswami · 2h
So what is the procedure to sign up for that Pakistan trip? Do we apply for a visa? Or sneak across the border like other non-state actors?

Seema Goswami ‏@seemagoswami · Apr 16
What is all this nonsense about *leaving the country* if XYZ wins. If u care for this nation, then stay and fight your corner come what may!

Seema Goswami ‏@seemagoswami · Apr 16
Modi asks if Sonia Gandhi has ever worn a skull cap. Maybe Sonia should now ask him if he has ever worn a dupatta!

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 20 Apr 2014 21:30

this is from sagarika ghose

Sagarika Ghose ‏@sagarikaghose · Apr 19
Death threats,attacks, abuse, journos both in India & Pak at severe risk from forces of far-right majoritarian religious nationalism...

Sagarika Ghose ‏@sagarikaghose · Apr 19
Day not far in India when self-app guardians of "nationalism"shoot at"anti-national"journos in pursuit of their idea of "national interest"

Sagarika Ghose ‏@sagarikaghose · 9h
My friend Aakar Patel's sharp brave piece needs a re-plug: http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/RzMzJqv ... mercy.html …

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 21 Apr 2014 00:11

Suggested Dawn Headline: Hamid Mir Becomes Hamid Mar. Almost.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2014 00:15

The new thread name..

KY Pakistan= Know Your Pakistan
TP= True Pakistani Nature

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 21 Apr 2014 01:21

Sunni Hordes of International Terrorists

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Apr 2014 02:49

and add istan to describe its reality?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2014 03:41

SSridhar wrote:Ha. . .ha. What a joke. Pak President Drops Nigeria Visit over Security Issues there

Only means that the recent bomb blast in Nigeria probably had a Paki hand in it and Paki president didnt want to hear an earful during his trip.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2014 04:29

Russian Naval ships arrive at Karachi Port
http://www.nation.com.pk/national/20-Ap ... rachi-port

Islamabad- A flotilla of two Russian Naval ships has arrived at Karachi Port on a goodwill visit to Pakistan. During the stay, various training activities and discussions on maritime security will be held between the Pakistani and the Russian navy officers. The Russian ships will also conduct passage exercise with Pakistan Navy's vessels.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Apr 2014 05:25

PA gonna cook Badmash's goose :

1. Army mulls legal action over baseless allegations

2. Insults to the armed forces
Cheers