Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Apr 2014 17:25

^^^ link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... light.html

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 06 Apr 2014 17:30

Oh! LOOK at that bow wave on the British Ship Racing To Locate Pings!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Apr 2014 17:31

The story that the plane flew to evade Indonesia radar was apparently first reported by CNN.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Apr 2014 17:35

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41669.html

The Chinese crew reportedly picked up the signals using a hand-held sonar device called a hydrophone dangled over the side of a small runabout — something experts said was technically possible but extremely unlikely.....
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Footage aired on China's state-run CCTV showed crew members in the small boat with a device shaped like a large soup can attached to a pole. It was hooked up by cords to electronic equipment in a padded suitcase as they poked the device into the water.

"If the Chinese have discovered this, they have found a new way of finding a needle in a haystack," said aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas, editor-in-chief of AirlineRatings.com. "Because this is amazing. And if it proves to be correct, it's an extraordinarily lucky break."

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 06 Apr 2014 17:56

The Indian Admiral said that 1000 fishing boats were doing the search of the Andaman Sea.

Sounds like the Chinese put the crew of their civilian ships into boats and towed them with improvised gadgets along until they reported a ping. That's innovation, determination, persistence and sheer hard work for you!!! Those boats would have been bouncing around brutally on the waves. For hours.

Given enough time (say another few weeks) China could have mass-produced 10 billion sonobuoys and dumped them into the ocean. THAT would have caught any Pings.

But still, why not immediately circle around? And call in military air support to drop more sensitive deep-sea locators? Surely it hasn't taken THIS long for those high-tech gizmos to reach there? So the ping for 1.5 minutes was a false positive, or a freak refractive transmission over long range through some specific thermal layer/current? That narrow?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Apr 2014 20:08

Richard Quest(?) on CNN says "it is a stretch" that Indonesian radar did not see MH370.

i.e., I interpret that to mean that the Indonesians have not been truthful in public when they say their civilian and military radar did not see MH370.

I think any good conspiracy theory has to include Indonesian complicity.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 06 Apr 2014 20:16

@harbans ji... this kind of device is already installed on US navy aircrafts. costs around 60000 USD as compared to around 20000 usd for normal black boxes.

A device that will detach under hydrostatic pressure and send a locational ping for USD 60K? Should be less than 1K.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 06 Apr 2014 20:40

harbans wrote:
@harbans ji... this kind of device is already installed on US navy aircrafts. costs around 60000 USD as compared to around 20000 usd for normal black boxes.
A device that will detach under hydrostatic pressure and send a locational ping for USD 60K? Should be less than 1K.

They showed it on CNN and Yes it costs 60K.It may be costly but one thing is it should also resist the crash, fire etc.It is loaded in the tail section.

vina · Post by **vina** » 06 Apr 2014 21:15

UlanBatori wrote:
Given enough time (say another few weeks) China could have mass-produced 10 billion sonobuoys and dumped them into the ocean. THAT would have caught any Pings.

well, 10 billion sonobuoys would have got a lot of pings , much of it marine mammal hum pings, and also pings from Mr Ping humping Ms Ping in the Chinese boats bobbing around in heavy seas, and of course all the groans and clicks and songs from the mammals in the area, most in the seas, but also from Mr Ping and Ms Ping after their ping-pong.

Trouble is you want to catch the ping only from MH370 and not some random ping , including mammal humpings @ 37.5 KHz.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 06 Apr 2014 21:30

37.5KHz is way over 20KHz audible limit of humans, so even the harmonics from L. Mangeshkar would not get there. I don't know if whales in "ishk" sing much higher than that in tone. However, 44KHz is the digitizing rate for pirated CDs, hain? Maybe the copying machine was a bit slow, and Admiral Ping-Ping caught the pings from Honourable CD-duplicating industry on passing container ship+CD stamping facility Pling-Pling bound for Perth. The device as described sounds like it was put together in a hurry (brilliant innovation!) but may not have have a narrow enough filter to cut out the strong 44 KHz.
No wonder the signal disappeared after 1.5 minutes: container ship much faster than towed boat with divers holding Ping-Ping device.

saip · Post by **saip** » 06 Apr 2014 21:34

ramana wrote:Has MAS resumed regular flights to Beijing? If so what precautions are in place to prevent a recurrence of this disappearance?

MAS 370 is changed MAS118 or something.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 06 Apr 2014 22:28

Ping-Ping and ........... (far away)ping

Haixun 01 has twice detected an underwater signal on a frequency used for the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders -- once for 90 seconds on Saturday and another more fleeting "ping" on Friday a short distance away. A third "ping" was also being scrutinised, 300 nautical miles away in the Indian Ocean.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 06 Apr 2014 22:35

vina wrote:Trouble is you want to catch the ping only from MH370 and not some random ping , including mammal humpings @ 37.5 KHz.

I continue to be baffled over how 3 separate ships 100's of miles apart can immediately pick up pings as soon as they throw sonar detectors over board. The signal coming from 3000 m down is going to be exceedingly faint. some very powerful equipment will be needed to find it and separate it from noise at the surface. Either the Chinese are monstrously lucky or...

Keep in mind the Air France pings were never found despite knowing fairly accurately where the aircraft crashed. And intense combing with powerful sonar equipment in that small area. All signals proved to be spurious.

vina · Post by **vina** » 06 Apr 2014 23:15

I continue to be baffled over how 3 separate ships 100's of miles apart can immediately pick up pings as soon as they throw sonar detectors over board. The signal coming from 3000 m down is going to be exceedingly faint.

Theoretically possible, but not very probable. Sound can get refracted from the bottom and yes, can propagate very large distances in SOFAR channels and thermocline layers (hundreds of kilometers even).

But you are misreading the Chinese ping-pings. That is meant for their village idiot's back home's consumption to "prove" to the Chinese citizen that the PRC is a strong , modern, high tech power (all that image building is very important for the Govt, whether all of them or even individually and collectively is generally good is another thing altogether).

The record of the Chinese in this episode is clearly towards domestic propaganda . The "saterrite pictures" off Vietnam in record quick time , then the ultra quick identification of debris using Eyballs MK1 from an IL-76 which was operating at extreme ranges, and now this ping ping business. The idea is actually not do something concrete in terms of finding MH370, but to make the first noise in the vicinity of where everyone is searching, so that if something does gets found, they can claim credit for it and beat the propaganda drums of how their effort gave vital clues, and if nothing is found, well, no loss of face, you can anyway put out the we did the best, and no one could find anything anyway . In fact, the noises the Chinese make actually diverts away resources and efforts from the real search into a wild goose chase.

This is a totally cynical exercise. I never thought much of totalitarian commie regimes to being with, but this is just copybook play by the PRC, and true to form. LIke I said earlier, the Malaysians and Chinese deserve each other.

vina · Post by **vina** » 06 Apr 2014 23:19

And oh, another thing struck me. If the guy who took the plane so far out into the most desolate corners of the earth , avoiding radar and everything, and made such serious efforts for traces not to be found at all, why do people assume that it crashed into the ocean when fuel ran out ?

He could have very well done what Sullenberger did with the A320 in the Hudson river, when he set it down gently. Yeah, the pilot could have soft landed the plane on the water , and it would have sunk slowly and intact and gone down in the drink. That way, no debris at all! So all the folks could have been looking for something non existent , and all the Ping-Pings can be lying via their Ding-Dings back in their HQ through their teeth.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 06 Apr 2014 23:27

Why does it still feel that the passengers are alive ?

Any theory - that can explain diverse and rival countries acting in concert for a massive cover-up ? What could bring US, UK, Australia, China, Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia together ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Apr 2014 23:34

vina wrote:And oh, another thing struck me. If the guy who took the plane so far out into the most desolate corners of the earth , avoiding radar and everything, and made such serious efforts for traces not to be found at all, why do people assume that it crashed into the ocean when fuel ran out ?

He could have very well done what Sullenberger did with the A320 in the Hudson river, when he set it down gently. Yeah, the pilot could have soft landed the plane on the water , and it would have sunk slowly and intact and gone down in the drink. That way, no debris at all! So all the folks could have been looking for something non existent , and all the Ping-Pings can be lying via their Ding-Dings back in their HQ through their teeth.

Doesn't wash, vina ji.

The pinger batteries are sea water activated.

It's only the ELT's that need high "G" impact to self activate or else in case of landing on land, for eg, the ELT can also be activated manually if one knows how.

vina · Post by **vina** » 06 Apr 2014 23:41

Chetak wrote:The pinger batteries are sea water activated.
It's only the ELT's that need high "G" impact to self activate or else in case of landing on land, for eg, the ELT can also be activated manually if one knows how.

Oh, but there will be no debris , if the plane did a nice soft water landing . All the satterite and plane search for debris would be just so much doo -doo . So yes, the guy could have done a Sullenberger and set it down on water and let it sink in one piece.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Apr 2014 23:55

vina wrote:
Chetak wrote:The pinger batteries are sea water activated.
It's only the ELT's that need high "G" impact to self activate or else in case of landing on land, for eg, the ELT can also be activated manually if one knows how.
Oh, but there will be no debris , if the plane did a nice soft water landing . All the satterite and plane search for debris would be just so much doo -doo . So yes, the guy could have done a Sullenberger and set it down on water and let it sink in one piece.

It would still ping like hell for 30+ days, no?

There are at least two pingers on that 777.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 07 Apr 2014 01:38

37.5KHz is way over 20KHz audible limit of humans, so even the harmonics from L. Mangeshkar would not get there. I don't know if whales in "ishk" sing much higher than that in tone.

whale sounds ranges from 10 Hz to 31 kHz

only Whales that fall head over heels make ishk sounds but not in that high frequency.

Blue Whales have exceptionally deep voices and are able to be vocal at frequencies as low as 14 Hz - well below the ability of human hearing - with a volume greater than 180 decibels, which makes the Blue Whale the loudest animal on the planet.

only Herb Alpert's Tijuana Brass can make sounds below 20 Hz

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Apr 2014 01:53

The pinger batteries are sea water activated.

Sounds like all one has to do is to remove the Ping-Ping the Pinger ahead of time (along with the PAKMARSAT Doppler-Time-Delayed Ping Responder Mark 3) and pour a bucket of sea-water over it in a bathtub, hain? IOW, that also need not be on an airplane to be activated.

If the thing was deliberately mis-guided, the question is very valid: did they just not care where it went as long as it deep south, once they deliberately threaded the straits between Malaysian, Thai, Chinese, Myanmarese, Indonesian and Indian radar?

Let us explore that line of CT:

Makes no sense. If they just wanted it to crash, and they had control, all they had to do is point the nose down. What little would have been recovered, would have pointed to "Pilot Error". Q.E.D.

So clearly the objective must have been to ensure that the wreckage was not found, at least any time soon. But what if it crashed on an island, say Cocos? What if the wind made it drift towards Perth? What if it crashed in a sea-lane north of Australia? If someone went to all that trouble, would they leave this very last bit totally to chance? Or, if it fell down after fuel was gone, then the wreckage may have had a few large pieces, spotted almost immediately on Mark IV Red Guard Saterrites or PakSat-2 Field Marshall Ayub Khan. Inside 48 hours, planes would have been on the scene, and the wreck would have been recovered. Although the SIO looks empty and very deep, there are a number of high ridges and atolls, and why leave something like this to chance? Some bum may have been lounging out on an inner tube 2 miles off an islet, and might have seen the event.

So we come to the idea that terminal stage guidance would have been used. At least they would have guided it down to a precisely-picked spot BEFORE FUEL RAN OUT, with plenty of allowance for winds.

And they would have taken no chances on wreckage recovery. As vina pointed out, they would have tried for a soft landing - but maybe inside one of those lagoos inside the atolls. I think some are pretty deep, sheltered, so that the wave heights would be low, allowing a reasonably soft landing that would not break up the aircraft. Wreckage would not drift out 100 miles. Just have to ensure that it is a totally uninhabited atoll.

Think back to the Maldives sighting: plane very low, obviously coming in to land (or taking off? They said it was "very noisy"). We assumed it was landing. Of course, a takeoff path would be directly upwind of an airport, and would be inclined at a fairly steep angle, unlike a landing final approach. So let's assume that was coming in to land. Have they looked in the middle of the lagoons in the south Maldives? South IO?

But now we come to the most powerful conclusion from all that: the best way to ensure that the wreckage is not found, is to ensure that there IS no wreckage out on public/other ppl's property where it could be seen. Best way is to land it where it could be taken under cover, repainted, and blended into the fleet of cargo/other planes moving around. How many 777s have been sold to cargo/private/govt-not-airline entities?

Maybe Admiral Ping Ping will find it tomorrow. Or next week. But now this has become such a global tamasha that even if they say it is in the Marianas Trench, people will set out to find and salvage it. So just floating a pinger out there is probably not enough to squelch the CTs. Esp if they actually FIND the pinger that has been doing the pinging. Do whales swallow pingers?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 07 Apr 2014 02:58

The worst CT theory of all is some 15 year old kid has hacked into the navigation system, disabled all comms and then played with it until it ran out of fuel.

How? he hacked into the younger pilot's (of flight simulator fame) laptop and when flight checks were done (which BTW are done via Pilot laptops these days), uploaded a stuxnet type of worm.

Now that is scary. Plausible? No. Farfetched yes. But more nearfetched than Taliban and Diego Garcia.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Apr 2014 03:39

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-the ... 61532.html
Diego Garcia Underwater Bases Exposed!
Sunday, April 6, 2014
Most interesting UW structures visible in the pics.

By Susan Duclos

In a recent DAHBOO77 video, he shows images that appear to be underwater facilities at Diego Garcia, which is the military base that many think the missing Malaysia Flight 370 was taken to. There are many theories about the plane that mysteriously disappeared on March 8, 2014, quite a few include this Diego Garcia base, which has put the whole facility in the spotlight.

It does clearly show something below the water in the images our videographer highlights and they do appear to be building-like structures, but as always it is up to the reader to decide. If you don’t believe these are buildings down there, perhaps some might like to chime in on what they DO think they are.

Aptly named British vessel,HMS "Echo" now in the hunt for Mr.Ping!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... html[quote]
Missing flight MH370: Royal Navy's HMS Echo joins race to verify black box 'pings' in search for missing jet

Three separate 'pings' have now been detected from deep in the Indian Ocean
Adam Withnall Author Biography

Sunday 06 April 2014

As the authorities searching for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 raced to investigate a series of potential black box 'pings' in the Indian Ocean, a senior official has reportedly claimed that the plan was "steered" around Indonesian airspace.

A senior Malaysian government source reportedly said the Boeing 777 curved north of Indonesia after it dropped of Malaysian military radar, according to further analysis of tracking data from neighbouring countries.

It apparently avoided Indonesia and its airspace altogether before turning again towards the southern Indian Ocean. The source told CNN such a route may have been taken intentionally in order to avoid radar detection.

Meanwhile, the man responsible for leading the search in Australia said that sounds detected from deep within the Indian Ocean represent an "important and encouraging lead".

Three separate signals have now been detected by ships hunting for the wreckage of the Boeing 777, two of which came from within just 2 km (1.25 miles) of each other.

The Royal Navy's HMS Echo, which carries sophisticated equipment for detecting underwater signals, was tasked with heading to the investigate the small patch of the search zone.

On Sunday, an Australian ship also equipped with a so-called "pinger locator" received a third signal in a different part of the search area around 300 nautical miles (555 km) away.

The earlier signals were reported by a Chinese patrol vessel as being at the same frequency emitted by flight data recorders aboard missing planes - 37.5 kilohertz.

"This is an important and encouraging lead, but one which I urge you to treat carefully," retired Australian Air Chief Marshall Angus Houston told reporters in Perth.

He stressed the signals had not been verified as linked to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which was travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it disappeared on 8 March with 239 people on board. [/quote]

"We have an acoustic event. The job now is to determine the significance of that event. It does not confirm or deny the presence of the aircraft locator on the bottom of the ocean," Houston said, referring to each of the three transmissions.

Lovely quote: Equiv. to "we heard something...or did we?"

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Apr 2014 05:32

As long as UBC news is putting out theories day in and out, all conspiracy theories including alien abduction cannot be taken seriously. For any grand conspiracy theory to be true, their news outlets will have to have closed shop.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 07 Apr 2014 06:25

Bade wrote:As long as UBC news is putting out theories day in and out, all conspiracy theories including alien abduction cannot be taken seriously. For any grand conspiracy theory to be true, their news outlets will have to have closed shop.

<not everyone's cup of tea>
You know, this is a serious matter. So I should have come clean up front. And of course, sorry if this kept anyone anxious. A treasure hunt has its own excitement, if you can look at it that way.

Anyhow, how did I know they will not find the plane in gulf of Thailand or south china sea or hither or thither? On day one, while UBCTs were crying aloud for hostage rescue. Well, how did I know?

The answer is simple. I saw something on my way to a secret ceremony worshipping Cthulhu. It appeared suddenly so I didnt record it. And of course the secret ceremony and the location must remain secret. But I have been quite conflicted since, and did hint at this often.

It could have been any crashed plane, and I was already late to the ceremony. So you will forgive my not looking carefully. In any case, so mant people are looking and it woyld have been difficult to explain away Cthulhu. Worse, I could have angered him. I am sure technology will find the plane sooner or later, so no harm no foul.

jm2c.
</not everyone's cup of tea>
No different than any other explanation, for now.

habal · Post by **habal** » 07 Apr 2014 07:20

So again why are they searching for a ping ? pinger batteries are dead most likely ..

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color ... o-1.551620

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia Airlines chief executive officer (CEO) Ahmad Jauhari Yahya today confirmed that the batteries of the black box pingers of the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH370 were due for replacement in June.
"And as far as the batteries are concerned, we confirm that there is a maintenance programme whereby the batteries are replaced prior to its expiry.

"We do know that the batterries are due for replacement only in June 2014," he said at a briefing on the search operation for MH370, here today.

Ahmad Jauhari said this in respond to a question from the floor whether the pinger batteries were due for replacement in 2012, as claimed by its US based manufacturer Dukane Seacom Inc.

On Friday, Dukane Seacom Inc president Anish Patel told CNN that the recorders were scheduled for battery replacements in 2012, but they were never returned for the overhaul.

In other news .. Sarah bajc, Philip Wood's girlfriend believes that the plane is still intact, passengers are still alive, and the plane was escorted by a military jet at some point of time. Maybe she also is a budding conspiracy theorist polishing her art.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Apr 2014 07:55

She and people like her are refusing to give up hope, or allow the governments to quit searching (at least to quit SAYING that they are searching). Recently, I had to chauffeur a young visitor around Ulan Bator. Got her from her hotel at 8AM, took her to her day of interviews etc. Asked her as she got in the car: Aren't u going 2 b cold? She said: Nah! I am wearing several layers of clothing!

Sometime during the day I guess she had got over her nervousness enough to realize that she was not wearing her warm jacket. Left it in the hotel. Panic text message. I sent an email to the Hotel Customer Helpline address - but also got her to call the front desk. The front desk found the jacket, I took her back to the hotel to retrieve it, and we just made it to UB airport in good time, yak traffic and all.

Two days later I got an email from the Help Address:

We searched all over, and assigned a Task Force to continue searching. We will keep at it, and let you know in case we find it

No, I didn't tell him what I thought. New Yak-Dung-Brain Administrator Recognition Policy. Instead I asked him to pls thank the front desk ppl for me, call off his Task Force, and maybe put on their website for ppl to call the Front Desk instead of the Customer Helpline.

But that is EXACTLY how governments operate. They do nothing, then lie in your face. So Mr. Wood's girfriend is doing all a service by demanding that they at least lie regularly. As to whether Ping-Peng is searching for Ping-Ping or playing Ping-Pong, who knows?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Apr 2014 07:57

Bade,

Kindly check back on the sheer accuracy of UBCNews. We have a CT to fit any outcome, per the famous Modified Hi-Re-Lie-Ability GUESS Super-Bayes-Monte-Carlo Predictor-Corrector.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 07 Apr 2014 08:15

ramana wrote:Has MAS resumed regular flights to Beijing? If so what precautions are in place to prevent a recurrence of this disappearance?

yes, AFAIK, MAS has started the flight on the same route. it is now called flight 318 (no 370 any more).

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 07 Apr 2014 09:42

Press conference held by Australians:

Jon Ostrower @jonostrower · 29m ago

BREAKING WSJ: Signals Heard By Ocean Shield, 2h 20min, 2nd for 13min, consistent w/ poss #MH370 fuel exhaustion loc. http://on.wsj.com/1ii3tQD

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 07 Apr 2014 09:50

Steve Grzanich ‏@SteveGrzanich 13m

CHART: From @AMSA_News on location of where acoustic returns are being detected. #MH370 pic.twitter.com/gvDPpAG9jw

Depth of ocean is 4000-5000m.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 07 Apr 2014 12:20

On Email:

When the Americans were withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control systems (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Taliban, while the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill-top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed two American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into six crates. This supposedly happened in Feb 2014.

What the Taliban wanted was money, by selling the system to the highest bidder. The Chinese were very eager for the technology. Just imagine if the Chinese could master the technology behind the US's command and control system, rendering the American drones useless! The Chinese sent a team of top defense scientists to check the system and then agreed to buy it from the Taliban.

Sometime in early March 2014, the Chinese scientists and the six crates of equipment made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Chinese embassy under diplomatic protection.

Meanwhile the Americans got the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they were determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it would be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 1/2 hours, and the American would not hijack or harm the civilians on board. So MH370 was the perfect carrier.

There were five American and Israeli agents on board who were familiar with Boeing operation (the two "Iranians" with stolen passports could have been among them.

When Flight MH370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reported to Vietnamese air control, an American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How could the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeings can be remote controlled by ground control tower. A similar remote control system is used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The five American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew westwards. They did not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space is covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellites.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Andamans, Indian ocean and then landed in the Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing). It refuelled and continued to Garcia Deigo, the American air base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers had been eliminated through oxygen starvation. The MH370 with the dead passengers were then flown (via remote control) and crashed into South Indian Ocean, making it look like the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and putting the suspicion on the captain and copilot.

The Americans put up a good show, first diverting attention and search efforts in the South China Sea while the plane was on its way to the Indian Ocean. Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world. The Australians were their accomplices.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This indicates that China was very concerned, not because of the Chinese civilian passengers, but because of the high value cargo and its eight top defense scientists.

Incredible? Perhaps we will find out in a future episode of Wikileaks.

member_28452 · Post by **member_28452** » 07 Apr 2014 13:08

Wouldn't it be much easier that these experts had an 'accident' in Malaysia?Or food allergy or anything else than using an AWACS to do all this and making it much bigger than it need be?

Some similar theories spoke of patents filed by Freescale employees few days before this omnious flight.

harbans wrote:On Email:

When the Americans were withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control systems (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Taliban, while the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill-top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed two American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into six crates. This supposedly happened in Feb 2014.

What the Taliban wanted was money, by selling the system to the highest bidder. The Chinese were very eager for the technology. Just imagine if the Chinese could master the technology behind the US's command and control system, rendering the American drones useless! The Chinese sent a team of top defense scientists to check the system and then agreed to buy it from the Taliban.

Sometime in early March 2014, the Chinese scientists and the six crates of equipment made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Chinese embassy under diplomatic protection.

Meanwhile the Americans got the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they were determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it would be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 1/2 hours, and the American would not hijack or harm the civilians on board. So MH370 was the perfect carrier.

There were five American and Israeli agents on board who were familiar with Boeing operation (the two "Iranians" with stolen passports could have been among them.

When Flight MH370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reported to Vietnamese air control, an American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How could the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeings can be remote controlled by ground control tower. A similar remote control system is used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The five American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew westwards. They did not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space is covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellites.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Andamans, Indian ocean and then landed in the Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing). It refuelled and continued to Garcia Deigo, the American air base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers had been eliminated through oxygen starvation. The MH370 with the dead passengers were then flown (via remote control) and crashed into South Indian Ocean, making it look like the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and putting the suspicion on the captain and copilot.

The Americans put up a good show, first diverting attention and search efforts in the South China Sea while the plane was on its way to the Indian Ocean. Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world. The Australians were their accomplices.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This indicates that China was very concerned, not because of the Chinese civilian passengers, but because of the high value cargo and its eight top defense scientists.

Incredible? Perhaps we will find out in a future episode of Wikileaks.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Apr 2014 14:26

UBC news missed this one possibility. From the ping locations seems like the sunken plane is moving around quite a bit undersea attached to an alien submarine following the abduction. Waiting for the next ping locator report to confirm model and verify with undersea currents to eliminate passive secular movement due to natural environmental phenomena.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Apr 2014 14:51

the thing that is becoming more apparent is that the chinese are acting more autonomously than the other agencies in the search. the issue is more political now than purely humanitarian or even technical

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Apr 2014 14:57

how on earth does a echo device have a range of 600km that too from 3km depth for the Aus ship and the China ship both to have heard valid ping?

there is no sonar system on earth that can pickup signals from 600km away and for any sound to carry that far underwater would have to be Krakatoa sized explosion under the sea....you know everyone in perth would hear that too - loud and clear.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Apr 2014 15:16

potentially the waves could be reflected and bounced around. apparently the ocean is surprisingly noisy

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Apr 2014 16:08

MH370 is said to have taken a route to skirt Indonesian radar. Also:

CNN aviation analyst Miles O’Brien said the new route includes designated waypoints that pilots and air traffic controllers use.

“This particular route that is laid out happens to coincide with some of these named intersections,” he said. “So what it shows is an experienced pilot somewhere in the mix on this.”

How on earth do they know that the plane navigated with waypoints if they had no radar contact? We know of the IGARI-VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX sequence only because of what we're told Malaysian radar saw.

http://fox8.com/2014/04/07/mh-370-new-s ... es-beacon/

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Apr 2014 16:47

A-Guptaji: By the same algorithm that they use, UBCNews has concluded that:

MH370 skirted Somalia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Israel, Italy, Morocco, and went down in the Mediterranean before it reached Gibraltar. How do we know? Because all those places have radar and none of them saw it either.

Q.E.D.

BTW, now Capitalist Imperialist Paper Tiger Pinger Locator have arrived from Diego Garcia and "located"

pinger and are also hearing ping, but days after People's Ping-Ping heard ping-ping. Maybe from close by..

This of course is not any ping, it is "re-lie-able" ping per See Enn Enn. BOTH cockpit voice recorder ping and Black Box ping are ping-located: ping-ping.

Location of signals almost 3 miles deep

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That's it, sorry la, forget it.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 07 Apr 2014 19:46

harbans wrote:On Email:

When the Americans were withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control systems (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Taliban, while the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill-top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed two American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into six crates. This supposedly happened in Feb 2014.

What the Taliban wanted was money, by selling the system to the highest bidder. The Chinese were very eager for the technology. Just imagine if the Chinese could master the technology behind the US's command and control system, rendering the American drones useless! The Chinese sent a team of top defense scientists to check the system and then agreed to buy it from the Taliban.

Sometime in early March 2014, the Chinese scientists and the six crates of equipment made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Chinese embassy under diplomatic protection.....

The problem with people who come up with such concocted CTs is that there is always a simpler way to do it e.g. in the past Pakistan has utilized its C130s to fly nuclear components to help North Korea make the big bum by flying the C130s directly into China from Pakistan and then to North Korea. If there was a "Command and Control" system supposedly stolen from the US in Afghanistan, the Chinese would just have easily asked the Pakistanis to transport it or sent one of their own planes to Pakistan to pick it up. Why go all the way to Malaysia when Pakistan and China share a border. The Taliban and Pakistan are the best of buddies and the Chinese and the Pakistanis are also the best of buddies. And if they have transported nuclear material directly, why not a command and control system?