N Ram is working overtime for his Paki masters.He is giving credit to pakistan for developing Shaheen class of missiles "indigenously" when its Chinese and Korean lineage is well established.The B*****d.kmc_chacko wrote:Increasing India's missile reach
http://www.hindu.com/2007/04/14/stories ... 271000.htm[/url]
Lookup the weight of a modern MBT like the M1A2 Abrams. It is heavier that the Arjun.kmc_chacko wrote:Why Indian R&D organisations make overweight equipements ?
Arjun 55+tons now Agni III 45+ tones compared to ther having around 30+ with more range. Will DRDO scale down the size so that they can be moved quickly
But also Laloo ji will negotiate its way to ride on Chini Gadha and put Topi on Chahcha. A true son of soil that is not beholden to tow a western line. He will be a nightmare to those who are trying to run India now. For him me First, Bihar First and India First, and the rest of world is cleaning tissue to wipe his musharraf.JCage wrote:Lalooji may squeeze a few bucks etc by fitting in a dozen people in the Agni TEL as well.
From reports it doesn't seem they were anywhere near. They were chased away from Indian airspace by ATC when they ignored the NOTAM.so would indicate the two garuda planes saw the flaming RV very high above them against the deep blue sky reentering the atmosphere perhaps around 200K-300K ft AGL
So very true with many in the officer corp in all 3 of 4 services. The 4th service (Paramilitary) is low on totem pole and gets no firangi maal, so they dont foolishly jump at glimpse of illusory firgani moon.Gerard wrote:I think he wants a submarine.
Don't worry, Indian Navy is very supportive of swadeshi efforts.
It is the GSQR from IA that you need to worry about. They will want the A3 to launch from the TEL while it is moving along the tracks. And to have 10 MIRVs because they saw that in a brochure.
Ramana what I meant is a Scramjet engine with a lower body intake type design for speeds upto mach 20, surely SM2 killerramana wrote:I don't know why you have the smiley. All Agni RVs have the HAE-high Altitude Engine for velocity correction. Its not any aha! moment. From day 1 the Agni RV had the HAE. Please read the BR webpages .joey wrote:Arun ji, Is it possible Agni's RV to contain some sort of air independent propulsion?
I'm talking about that kind of air breathing engine, since this is the RV MK3."According to independent Russian sources, the Topol was carrying an experimental warhead equipped with its own rocket thrusters and, possibly, with some sort of air-breathing engine. Such a propulsion system reportedly enables the vehicle to conduct multiple entries into the Earth atmosphere (like a stone ricocheting at the surface of water) and/or enables a powered flight in the atmosphere. Maneuverability of the warhead, along with a lower then traditional trajectory, reportedly makes it more difficult for a potential missile-defense system to track and intercept an incoming reentry vehicle."
What is the excitement all about? The Wheeler Island launch pad is surrounded by a dense thicket of trees. Thats all you are seeing in the picture. The first stage is partly masked by the trees and so appears short.I just realized the surroundings. A model, or the real thing? First stage looks too short.
Whats wrong with Lalooji and the IR making a few extra bucks by charging premium prices for a totally Dr. Strangelove-ishtyle ride on an Agni?Lalooji may squeeze a few bucks etc by fitting in a dozen people in the Agni TEL as well.
joey wrote:Ramana what I meant is a Scramjet engine with a lower body intake type design for speeds upto mach 20, surely SM2 killer
A topol M report i read states this...air-breathing engine
I'm talking about that kind of air breathing engine, since this is the RV MK3.
lol where was I wrong? It isnt possible? or beyond present capability which one?Nalla Baalu wrote:Is there a quick fix for a jingo afflicted with chronic brochuritis?
joey wrote:Ramana what I meant is a Scramjet engine with a lower body intake type design for speeds upto mach 20, surely SM2 killer
A topol M report i read states this...air-breathing engine
I'm talking about that kind of air breathing engine, since this is the RV MK3.
sorry but do clear my curiosity.The HINDU:Missile tests only to create enough deterrence: AntonySaturday, 14 April , 2007, 21:22
Bangalore: Asserting that India's missile tests are meant to create adequate deterrence and not aimed against any country, Defence Minister A K Antony said scientists would decide how many more launches of the Agni-III were needed to make the missile operational.
"These kind of tests will continue," Antony told reporters after visiting Hindustan Aeronautics Limited when asked if India had the political will to proceed to the next level of missile tests.
"We will continue with these (Agni missile) tests," he emphatically said, adding they were not directed against any country but meant to create "enough deterrence".
The successful test on Thursday of the nuclear-capable Agni-III, which has the ability to hit targets 3,000 km away, showed that Indian scientists had "matured enough and whenever necessity arises, we can have missiles of whatever capacity needed for the country," he said.
Asked how many more tests of the Agni-III were required before its deployment, he said this would be decided by scientists.
India always had the political will for the tests, he said. "We do not want to exhibit it. It is already there."
Antony said, the induction of Agni-I and Agni-II missiles into the armed forces would be done in a "resonable time" and there would not be any "unnecessary delay".
The failed maiden test of Agni-III nine months ago had not deterred scientists. "The scientists have produced results. It is excellent...up to the point," he said.
The HINDU: DRDO to focus on ICBMsSpecial Correspondent
Bangalore: Reiterating that India's missile tests were meant only to create "enough deterrence" and not aimed against any country, Defence Minister A.K. Antony on Saturday said it was for Indian scientists to decide how many more launches/tests of the Agni-III long-range missile were needed before it could be operationalised.
Interacting with mediapersons after visiting the headquarters of the defence public sector enterprise Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) here, Mr. Antony said, "We will continue with these [Agni missile] tests."
The successful test on Thursday of the nuclear-capable Agni-III, which has the ability to hit targets 3,000 km away, showed that Indian scientists had "matured enough."
No unnecessary delays
If the need arose, India could have missiles of whatever capacity it required, he said. The induction of Agni-I and Agni-II missiles into the armed forces would be done within a "reasonable time," and there would not be any "unnecessary delays."
Asked about India's "threat perception," particularly from China, he said the border situation was much better now. Stressing that relations with neighbouring countries were better, he said India would initiate dialogues to find solutions to problems.
Tackling naxalism
He ruled out the "direct involvement" of the Army in tackling naxalism. Pointing out that it was not a good idea to involve the Army in such activities anywhere in the country, he said the law and order problems caused by naxal activity were a State subject. It was for the States to decide how they wished to tackle the problem. "We will of course help by way of equipment and other resources, and can also deploy paramilitary forces, but not the Army."
Mr. Antony's comments come in the wake of a number of States, including Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Orissa, seeking Central help in handling the naxal situation.
On modernisation of the armed forces, he said India could not afford to ignore this, more so since countries in the region were speedily doing so. "Our intention is not one of confrontation, but at the same time we have to be eternally vigilant as far as security is concerned, and in order to safeguard the nation's unity and integrity."
Indigenisation
Modernisation had to be undertaken simultaneously with indigenisation of defence equipment. Calling for a healthy balance between defence imports and indigenously produced equipment, he said India could not in the short term depend entirely on either.
In the long run, India would have to be self-reliant in manufacture of defence equipment.
IAF requirement
On the Indian Air Force's requirement of 126 multi-role combat aircraft, he said the request for proposal (RFP), to be sent out to prospective manufacturers, was being finalised.
"New requirements which have come up are being looked into. But we are committed [to buying the 126 jets]."
Noting that the purchase of 40 Su-30 MKI fighters from Russia would fill in for the IAF's short-term requirements, Mr. Antony said additional requirements would also be met.
The Government was studying the IAF's proposal to set up an aerospace command.
Special Correspondent
Missile with 5,000 km-range will be developed
# There will be three more flights of Agni-III
# 85 per cent of the components are indigenously made
NEW DELHI: After having successfully launched the nuclear-capable intermediate range ballistic missile, Agni-III, from Wheeler Island off the coast of Orissa on Thursday, scientists at the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) have now set their sights on developing the technical capability for an inter-continental ballistic missile over the next three years.
Addressing a press conference here on Friday, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister S. Natarajan said scientists would now work on squeezing in a third stage into the missile system so that the range was increased from the 3,000 km plus achieved on Thursday to 5,000 km [which is the range for an ICBM] over the next three years.
Whether India should go in for the development of an ICBM or not was a political decision, he said. The DRDO would work towards the goal of having the technical capability in the next three years for a missile with a range of 5,000 km and with the same payload of 1.5 tonnes achieved on Thursday.
The scientists, he said, would work on the goal alongside efforts to validate the Agni-III missile system.
There will be three more flights of Agni-III over the next two to three years to validate the system and while working on them, scientists would seek to build upon the capability and try and achieve the capability for a range of 5,000 km with the same payload.
Programme Director of the Agni-III mission and Director of the DRDO's Advanced Systems Laboratory Avinash Chander said that most of the components of the missile were produced by private industry with a view to reducing delays.
In all, 258 firms were involved in the project. Apart from 20 laboratories, several academic institutions were also engaged in it.
He said 85 per cent of the missile components were indigenously made.
The mission, he said, had established several firsts such as flex-nozzle controls of rocket motor during the powered phase, specially developed composite propellant with high specific impulse for the rocket, guidance and control with built-in fault tolerant avionics, and the ability to withstand the severe aero-thermal environment during the re-entry phase.
Yeah got it, I just downloaded it will play with it tomorrowArun_S wrote:joey: Please download ROCKSIM and play out your questions. You will find your answer. Try to throw the rock many ways and see how it can ricochet atmosphere (configure a stage with ISP=800 for a futuristic air breathing propulsion.
My hints are:
1. Why more propulsion when TOPOL it is full range ICBM?
2. If more travel is indeed required why not lifting body supersonic glider ? why is propulsion required.
3. Try to see through propaganda. USSR was defeated to submission in cold war because it could not muster enough resources to respond to Ronald Regan's Start War. Which was a phony Psy Op project to make USSR go on overdriven defense expenditure.
WTF that was a superduper mind game US played on USSR, and using the illusion of StarWars destroyed its enemy (Soviet Russia) to get on its knees.
Now rethink about the power of PsyOp and different ways it can applied. It is mind boggling, and it does not require spilling blood and gore. You get my point?
Mind is more powerful than weapons.
If the confusion regarding the range and guidance systems of the Agni-II, seem like excessive prying on the part of the overly-curious writers, the issues regarding the production of the Agni-II and its induction into the armed forces is not so easily dismissed. Prior to the first test of the Agni-II, press reports emerged of facilities being created to produce between 10 and 12 Agni-II missiles per year - a figure sometimes reported as between 12 and 18 missiles per year. However, it is entirely unclear as to whether any such production facilities have been created. Both Jaswant Singh and George Fernandes (during their tenures as Defense Minister) have claimed that the Agni-II is in production and is being inducted - apparently by the 335th Missile Group of the Regiment of Artillery. What is unclear is whether sufficient equipment and reloads exist to make 335 Missile Group operational. If production on the scale envisaged had commenced in 2001 - 2002, some 12+ launchers and 24+ missiles should exist.
However, there has been no indication either from DRDO or BDL as to whether any production on that scale is in progress.
Rail or road, in any case the mobile missiles are usually kept hidden in tunnels through mountain ranges. For tunately, India is blessed with mountain ranges all over the country - especially the helpful ones are Eastern Ghat, Western Ghat, Aravalli, Vindhya, Satpura, and the small ranges in the north-east. They provide excellent cover for the mobile launchers.Gerard wrote:Shankar, what you describe aren't really silos. They are shelter-garages for hiding the TELs. This is what Israel does for its Jericho missiles. The TELs aren't dispersed though. The Zacariah missile base simply has shelters carved into its hills.
The rail version of the MX Peacekeeper was never produced. It ended up strictly silo based. An awesome weapon nevertherless.
The USAF first proposed the "MPS" (Mobile Protective Shelters) plan in which 200 MX missiles would be shuttled around 4600 non-hardened shelters. The non occupied shelters would have dummy missiles making it difficult to determine which ones to strike.
The alternative "Racetrack" plan would have had the missiles being carried in a huge underground railway network.
There was the "Dense pack" option where a smaller number of hardened shelters would be used, close together, relying on the fratricide of nearby warhead bursts to shield the missiles.
None of these were affordable and the MX was nearly canceled due to lack of a mobile option. Finally they just put them in Minuteman missile silos.
The last attempt was the "Rail Garrison" plan. 50 missiles would be based on 25 USAF trains, each having two locomotives, two missile cars, and launch control, security and fuel cars.
A combination of shelters located in military bases (both hard ones tunneled into hills and soft garages) and mobile rail garrisons might be ideal in the Indian scenario. The missiles could be quickly moved out of the shelters, onto the Indian rail network, negating the temptation of a first strike during periods of tension, yet be ready to fire in minutes. Security plus mobility.
Plus some SSBNs (3-4) prowling the Indian ocean.
Initial reports from the test site in Chandipur-on-sea in Orissa speak of remarkable circular area probable figures (that determine a missile’s strike accuracy) for Agni-III.
Cryo upper stage ? is that a SLV or Missile , Never heard of Durgaramana wrote:I wonder why there is no more speculation about Durga?
For those who don't know Durga was supposed to be an Indian vehicle with a cryogenic upper-stage conceputalized by Kalam saab.
Truly a second strike vehicle but with shakti!
