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Nothing more entertaining than a Paki Jamoora Jumping Jack Schitt! India's water hegemony
By Shri .Mattii Hali
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The progenitor of Indian statecraft, Chanakya, in his notorious treatise Arthashastra, has recommended: "Waging war by using rivers through stopping water to impose drought or flooding to destroy life/property, and subjugate rival states". This has unabashedly been borrowed to become a part of Indian state policy. Immediate effect of this Indian design has already become visible in its three neighbouring countries in the shape of desertification of huge fertile lands, intrusion of salinity, scarcity of drinking water, ruining environment/biodiversity, excessive deposit of silt causing floods, elimination of water transport/navigational means, reduction in fisheries, inundation, lack of water for power generation, and so on
I think its multipronged rather layered.
More pious see less pious as part of CT.
Military sees civilians as CT.
All Pakis see kafirs as CT.
Pakis see other muslim countries not enthusiastic about ummah as CT
Educated & Rich see poor as part of CT
First, Mr. Quraishi is a quack. That much is known. At one point, Robert Novak called him a sort of spokesperson for the ISI. He is very anti-American and equally nationalistic. He writes articles like these on a regular basis, which are often full of pure conjecture. His articles are informative only to the extent that they represent a certain ultra-nationalistic aspect of the ISI.
Second, the truth is that the whole Pakistani-Taliban conundrum doesn’t add up. It came out of nowhere. In reality, these types of movements ALWAYS have a patron, a foreign government that starts them and gets them going. Its highly unlikely that the ISI would support a group as brutal and anti-state as the Pakistani Taliban (Baitul Mehsud et al.). There is also no evidence that they morphed from the Afghan Taliban. Thus, it is widely believed that Mehsud is either an Indian, Russian, Afghan, or American agent. While this may seem like a fallacy– India and Pakistan have been engaged in a proxy war since their inception, and often plant and fund insurgents in each other’s country. Nothing new.
Third, there also has been a sharp shift in the media rhetoric towards Pakistan within the last year. I don’t think that there is a structured conspiracy by U.S. media outlets against Pakistan, nor do I think that the post noted by the blogger argued such. Rather, I believe that the U.S. government / security establishment is very adept at manipulating the U.S. media. They did it before the war in Iraq with targeted leaks and anonymous sources– and they’re doing it with Pakistan. I believe that it was part of a coordinated effort on the part of the CIA and US govt to pressure Pakistan into taking action against the Taliban. Its very important that media organizations recognize when they are being manipulated, and for them to maintain their objectivity. The overwhelming majority of reports in the NY Times in the past year have painted Pakistan in a typically orientalist light. As a bunch of deceptive, incompetent, easterners who need the West to civilize them and tell them what to do.
First, Mr. Quraishi is a quack. That much is known. At one point, Robert Novak called him a sort of spokesperson for the ISI. He is very anti-American and equally nationalistic. He writes articles like these on a regular basis, which are often full of pure conjecture. His articles are informative only to the extent that they represent a certain ultra-nationalistic aspect of the ISI.
Second, the truth is that the whole Pakistani-Taliban conundrum doesn’t add up. It came out of nowhere. In reality, these types of movements ALWAYS have a patron, a foreign government that starts them and gets them going. Its highly unlikely that the ISI would support a group as brutal and anti-state as the Pakistani Taliban (Baitul Mehsud et al.). There is also no evidence that they morphed from the Afghan Taliban. Thus, it is widely believed that Mehsud is either an Indian, Russian, Afghan, or American agent. While this may seem like a fallacy– India and Pakistan have been engaged in a proxy war since their inception, and often plant and fund insurgents in each other’s country. Nothing new.
Third, there also has been a sharp shift in the media rhetoric towards Pakistan within the last year. I don’t think that there is a structured conspiracy by U.S. media outlets against Pakistan, nor do I think that the post noted by the blogger argued such. Rather, I believe that the U.S. government / security establishment is very adept at manipulating the U.S. media. They did it before the war in Iraq with targeted leaks and anonymous sources– and they’re doing it with Pakistan. I believe that it was part of a coordinated effort on the part of the CIA and US govt to pressure Pakistan into taking action against the Taliban. Its very important that media organizations recognize when they are being manipulated, and for them to maintain their objectivity. The overwhelming majority of reports in the NY Times in the past year have painted Pakistan in a typically orientalist light. As a bunch of deceptive, incompetent, easterners who need the West to civilize them and tell them what to do.
— Fahd
I highlighted the comments that are CT from this writer. He touches on all aspects(throws in India and US) except Israel. Is this a complete post ?
The big point is calling Quraishi anti-American and equally very nationalistic. This is the root of the problem. To be a nationalist in Islamist country you have to be anti-everyone else.
Pakistan will be a reasonably satisfied Gulabo if
Indian give Kashmir, Water, Zaziya and live under Sharia . Unclestani give Money,Arms and other Aid. Afghans must give them strategic depth , Iran Gas,oil and electricity, Balcoh their land and natural resources , Saudi must surrender 2 Holy Mosques to Dus pecenti who can make money from hajj, Europe must accept islam and open border for immigration and the most favorite and luvley UQ accept Paki suzernity over BHX, Bradford etc and pay daily homage to Lahore . All because pakistan is Islam and islam is Pakistan and Islam is a religion of Peace and Pakistan and it abhor extremities and Paki are the best cretin of Allah in the Universe . Is this a CT?
ramana wrote:Appropos the lady writing from DC, amazing for the name Zeeniya is Greek name. Do they have such long civilizational memories? Usually spelled Xenia.
What do you mean by civilizational memory? It is not uncommmon to have old, prechristian names in Greece, just like Iranians are named Rustam or Arash etc or how some Indonesian muslims have Hindu names.
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Army Chief monitoring Hunza lake situation: Commander
GILGIT: Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani is personally monitoring the rise of water level in Atta Abad Hunza lake.
This was stated by Commander of the Armed forces in Gilgit-Baltistan, Major General Qamar Javed Bajwa in a news briefing here Wednesday. He said the land sliding was not a new phenomena in the area rather it had occurred in the past as well. He disclosed that through optic fiber the army chief and he himself were monitoring the situation. The Commander said the next 48 hours were very crucial, as the water from the lake would start getting released within this timeframe.
Major General Qamar Javed Bajwa termed the relief camps, set for the Internally Displaced People, better than of Sawat and Azad Jammu and Kashmir and said that it was the duty of civil government to facilitate the affectees and the army was only a supporting element. The general said that in case of water wave of 20,000 cusec the bridges would be damaged, adding, an alternate system had been prepared by the army to carry on transport services
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=241549
Evading failure (The writer is a Qadiani masquerading as Pakistani) The Pakistani state has undergone three phases of transformation. At the time of Partition, it was a "migrant state," which later on transformed into an "overdeveloped state" and finally turned into a (mental) "martial state." During the Pakistan Movement, the majority of Muslim League supporters were in Muslim-minority North and Central India. After Partition, most of them remained in India, while a smaller number migrated to Pakistan, mostly to Sindh and Punjab. They secured positions in business and bureaucracy, but remained isolated in politics. The political landscape was dominated by powerful provincial and rural actors. Lacking political strength in the context of demography and number of voters, the migrant political leadership and civil bureaucracy collaborated with the military.More than three-quarters of the military originated from Punjab. The bloodshed at the time of Partition on both sides of the Punjab region had a strong effect on the army and the state. Therefore, to a considerable extent, the Pakistan-India conflict is in its origin a West Punjab-India conflict. This conflict will defy resolution until the other Pakistani provinces have a say in statecraft too, especially in the making of foreign policy. Today, Pakistan is facing not just a crisis of governance but also a crisis of state. It is too important for the international community not to allow it to fail. According to some writers, it is more accurate to describe Pakistan as a "persistently failing state"--one which has continued to exhibit major signs of failure but has not collapsed. In the post-September 11 world, realising Pakistan's new geo-strategic importance in the war against terrorism and aware that a failing Pakistan could pose a global threat, the US issued aid of $1 billion previously and has passed the Kerry-Lugar Bill recently, apart from military aid, to keep our institutions working. Our march to failure has been halted without major changes in the political and governance framework and with the West's economic support. But for how long?
ramana wrote:Appropos the lady writing from DC, amazing for the name Zeeniya is Greek name. Do they have such long civilizational memories? Usually spelled Xenia.
What do you mean by civilizational memory? It is not uncommmon to have old, prechristian names in Greece, just like Iranians are named Rustam or Arash etc or how some Indonesian muslims have Hindu names.
Greek names in Pakistan? Those earlier Iranian names still being used in Iran. I guess you don't know about Indo-Greek or Bactrian ancestry in the region.
Shiv,
On the PakTeaHouse Ostrich article - I wrote there to you, but it will probably be censored - I wrote something like:
Shiv, be just; don't blame the solitary raindrop for the drought.
PS: I see that that post made it through.
In a second post, I gave the URL for your ebook. I endorse almost everything in your book (except something you had about Maududi - he is architect of post-1949 Pakistan onlee.) Whether we're right or wrong, the 200+ pages of impeccably sourced and well-reasoned argument needs to be seen by them. That post is definitely being held up.
Prem wrote:Nothing more entertaining than a Paki Jamoora Jumping Jack Schitt! India's water hegemony
By Shri .Mattii Hali
".
The progenitor of Indian statecraft, Chanakya, in his notorious treatise Arthashastra, has recommended: "Waging war by using rivers through stopping water to impose drought or flooding to destroy life/property, and subjugate rival states". This has unabashedly been borrowed to become a part of Indian state policy. Immediate effect of this Indian design has already become visible in its three neighbouring countries in the shape of desertification of huge fertile lands, intrusion of salinity, scarcity of drinking water, ruining environment/biodiversity, excessive deposit of silt causing floods, elimination of water transport/navigational means, reduction in fisheries, inundation, lack of water for power generation, and so on
Carl_T wrote:
What do you mean by civilizational memory? It is not uncommmon to have old, prechristian names in Greece, just like Iranians are named Rustam or Arash etc or how some Indonesian muslims have Hindu names.
Greek names in Pakistan? Those earlier Iranian names still being used in Iran. I guess you don't know about Indo-Greek or Bactrian ancestry in the region.
Oh, I thought you were saying the lady was greek. Zenia is a greek name, not Arab. It is same as the Russian Ksenia. However, it may come through Arabic.
Kashif, who goes by the name Rani, and 42-year old fertiliser dealer Malik Mohammad Iqbal were remanded in judicial custody for a further two weeks as a court in the city of Peshawar gave police time to build a case.
"It is a conspiracy against us. I had no intention of getting married," the 19-year-old Rani told the court, bound in handcuffs to Iqbal.
Iqbal told the judge: "A man cannot marry another man or a eunuch. The allegation against us is incorrect."
One more conspiracy theory popular among large number of Pakistani – is that India has 17 consulates in Afghanistan. Some, like one of the commentators here are a tad bit more realistic and allege that there are only 13 Indian consulates.Some citizen journalists allege that there are 107 of them.
The fact is that both India and Pakistan have 5 consulates each – Kabul, Herat, Jalalabad, Mazhar-e-Sharief and Kandahar.
If anything, there are a large number of Afghan people who want more staff in these undermanned Indian consulates. Massive number of urban Afghans waiting to travel to India for medical treatment, and education have to endure long-delays to secure visas due to red-tapism and lack of staff.
If only the Pakistani state had invested more in education, health and industries in Afghanistan instead of supporting the medieval Taliban regime, it would have had a much firmer strategic depth that it had sought.
But in their warped worldview, any economic investment becomes a threat to their security. The most hilarious accusation was from a columnist in Jang who had a problem with Indians setting up a school in ’sensitive areas’.
The fact is India has established much-needed roads in the country, is constructing two dams, funding mid-day meals for schoolchildren (a scheme commended by UNICEF and WHO), has set up clinics and is providing scholarship for training of almost 1000 doctors and nurses in India every year. Of course, none of these are entirely altruistic. But in modern world, food, education, medicine and jobs earn you more influence than guns and nukes.
Anyway, India does not need to support these barbarians to destabilize Pakistan. Unfortunately for ordinary Pakistanis, the kleptocratic Pakistani army and the feudal elite are already doing an exceptionally good job.
Prem wrote:Nothing more entertaining than a Paki Jamoora Jumping Jack Schitt! India's water hegemony
By Shri .Mattii Hali
".
The progenitor of Indian statecraft, Chanakya, in his notorious treatise Arthashastra, has recommended: "Waging war by using rivers through stopping water to impose drought or flooding to destroy life/property, and subjugate rival states". This has unabashedly been borrowed to become a part of Indian state policy. Immediate effect of this Indian design has already become visible in its three neighbouring countries in the shape of desertification of huge fertile lands, intrusion of salinity, scarcity of drinking water, ruining environment/biodiversity, excessive deposit of silt causing floods, elimination of water transport/navigational means, reduction in fisheries, inundation, lack of water for power generation, and so on
Peshawar: Maulana Fazlullah, the chief of the Pakistani Taliban in the restive Swat valley, has apparently been killed along with six other militants in a clash with Afghan border forces in that country's Nuristan province, intelligence sources said today.
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However, the report of Fazlullah's death is yet to be officially confirmed, the sources said.
Just weeks after the failed car bombing of New York's Times Square, the Department of Homeland Security says "the number and pace of attempted attacks against the United States over the past nine months have surpassed the number of attempts during any other previous one-year period."
The Pakistan government honours the Supreme Court's decision upholding the release from house arrest of JuD chief Hafiz Saeed and Indian authorities should accord "similar respect to the verdicts of Pakistani courts," Interior Minister Rehman Malik said today.
The Interior Minister said Indian authorities should show the same respect for verdicts of Pakistani courts as that shown by the Pakistan government. "We had also honoured the Indian court's decision against Ajmal Kasab," Malik said, referring to the death sentence recently awarded by an Indian court to the Pakistani national for his role in the 2008 Mumbai attacks.
"This is in addition to the more than $1.2 billion in reimbursements already transferred to Pakistan this year by the U.S. government under the Coalition Support Fund (CSF)," the statement, released late on Wednesday, said. The U.S. released $656 million earlier this month.
The United States has reimbursed Pakistan $7.4 billion under the CSF programme since 2001, the embassy said in a statement, adding that it has provided more than $11 billion to Pakistan in security assistance and CSF reimbursements, the statement said.
Nuclear-armed Pakistan says the war on militancy had cost it $35 billion in the last eight years.
LONDON: Britain's new coalition government will not “lecture” India and Pakistan over their relationship, Foreign Secretary William Hague said Thursday ahead of an upcoming trip to Islamabad.
“It will not be our approach to lecture other countries on how they should conduct their bilateral relations,” Hague told reporters in London.
“That such relations are improved is of course important to relations in that region and the future peace of the world,” Hague said. “But our approach would not be to tell those countries what to do, they must take forward their own bilateral relations.”
The Interior Minister said Indian authorities should show the same respect for verdicts of Pakistani courts as that shown by the Pakistan government. "We had also honoured the Indian court's decision against Ajmal Kasab," Malik said, referring to the death sentence recently awarded by an Indian court to the Pakistani national for his role in the 2008 Mumbai attacks.
Wonder what fig leaf our "Chankian" GoI will derive out of this expected oucome to press for more lovemaking with Pak?
Government of Pakistan! We could not find admiring words enough for the latest scam pulled by the Government of Pakistan. No, we are not being sardonic. We are genuinely amazed at the fast one Pakistan has pulled on the US.
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You will remember we've been saying, and Mandeep Bajwa has seconded, that Pakistan will not mount any operation in North Waziristan no matter how much pressure the US puts. Oh yes, we anticipated Sound and Fury operations involving the use of firepower to make holes in the mountains. With ordnance supplied by the US at the American taxpayer's cost, of course.
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But the Pakistanis were far ahead of us in their thinking.
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They have told the US there is no need to attack North Waziristan because the Pakistan Taliban have departed. And where have they gone to? South Waziristan! But didn't the Pakistani Taliban come to North Waziristan from South Waziristan in the first place? Yes, indeed! But didn't Pakistan tell us they had defeated the Pakistan Taliban? Yes, they did!
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In case you think we're making this up, please read Bill Roggio at http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... ullout.php He first got his news from Pakistani media, then spoke to his American sources, who confirmed the story.
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All this confirms what Mandeep has been saying for a long time: despite the attacks the Pakistan Taliban have conducted against Pakistan, ISI still handles the Mesuds as government assets - which they remain.
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What the Pakistanis have done is so clever there is nothing left for Pentagon, State, and the President except to bang their heads against a granite wall. Great job, fellows, great job!
Doesnt the bolded part contradict the popular thinking on BR that the Paki Taliban have cut loose from the ISI now?
Pakistan casualty claims for Orakzai Pakistan is claiming a 45: 1 kill ratio of Taliban to Pakistan forces in its operations in Orakzai. What the government hopes to gain by this fantasy is beyond us. The reality is that far fewer Taliban are being killed than government claims, and government losses are higher, though not by much. Both Indian and US intelligence say that Pakistan is making up Taliban casualty figures for its air and gunship attacks, and on top of that many of those killed are civilians.
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The Army Chief's term is ending in November 2010 so another drama is taking place. The Defense Minister rashly said there will be no extension, which statement as all know is whistling in the dark. To underline the foolishness of the defense minister, Pakistani corps commanders say they went General Kayani to stay as the chief until CI operations are over. Since they are not going to be over for donkey's years, this is just a subtle way for the army to say: "We'll decide if and when a new chief is appointed,"and this is no more than the simple reality of Pakistan today.
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The Prime Minister is by no means a stooge of the Army, but let us be polite and say the Army sees no reason to rule openly, and the real ruler of Pakistan is the Army Chief - thus it has been, is, and will be. At one stage US cared a lot that Pakistan should have a true democratic government, but after the death of Mrs. Bhutto, Washington's Viceroy to Islamabad, and the fiascos with her husband, US frankly our dears does not give a darn.
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US has had it up to its eyeballs with Pakistan governance, and all it wants is a compliant Army Chief. Which is sad, because the army Chief US removed, General Musharraf, was compliant, and General Kayani, his successor is anything but. General M was a good natured duffer, eager to please. General K. is a tough-minded, cold fish who reputedly doesn't even let on to himself what he is thinking, he is that tight-mouthed. From what we hear, General K. would happily kick the US Ambassador and General Petraus and especially Mr. Holbrooke from one side of Pakistan to the other, and then back again. There is no love lost.
Sum, Who said that Pakiban are free of being sarkari jihadis?
In TPS all jihadis are sarkari they are the Irregular Army of Allah and hence subserivent to the regular Army of Allah which is the TSPA.
See the links of Shazad Faisal and the TSPA and ISI. And SF was supposed to be Pakiban adherent.
The million dollar question I have is how do pakiban's get weapons to fight their war. I mean even countries like India or pakis cannot fight a war more than few weeks before they run out of ammo. This is despite having factories producing this stuff and imported inventories. Now pakibans dont have industries to manufacture these so its evident that there is some sarkari support the only question is which sarkar. I guess these groups are semi autonomous which means like their masters they also play one against the other. So they will have no qualms about taking weapons from all sarkars in the region and at the same time use it against them. Also their masters know that despite the collateral damage these dogs can be used to bite other players so they do not decimate them. Same time pakibans also despite losses by TSPA forces or dronacharya will not burn any bridges
We need to admire the audacity of pakis when taking on some one 5 times powerful than them. Compare paki responses to IWT or 26/11 with our responses to China on Bramhaputra or visa issues and Dalai Lama. Guess we need to learn something from pakis especially babus in south block.
In its bitter rivalry with India, Pakistan is at a fatal disadvantage. Unlike its South Asian neighbour, Islamabad lacks an ally with considerable influence over American mainstream media.
The latest example of US media complicity with the Indo-Israeli alliance came in the aftermath of the much-hyped Times Square “car-bomb” incident. Typical of the media orgy of Pakistan-bashing that followed the discovery of an SUV packed with 250 pounds of non-explosive fertilizer was a piece written by Newsweek’s Indian-born editor, Fareed Zakaria, in which he brands Pakistan as “a terrorist hothouse.”
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Height of CT to bring in Fareed Z's Indian origins! TSP got a free ride for so long till the 26/11 attack on FZ's native city of Mumbai. Since then he has been very clear about the nature of TSP! Before that he was ambivalent.
ISLAMABAD -- The Asian Development Bank will lend Pakistan US $500m to improve the country’s rail network, Express Tribune reported May 25.
The bank will release US $120m next year and the remainder in tranches through 2013, the newspaper reported.
The project will connect Faisalabad, Gujranwala, Shahdara and Lala Musa rail lines to Faisalabad and Rawalpindi and will install computerised signaling equipment between Shahdara and Lala Musa, Express Tribune reported.
The question is when Pakis need railway when they have the best interstate highway system on the face of the earth. Ask William Dyrlmpile if you dont beleive me.
sum wrote:The Army Chief's term is ending in November 2010 so another drama is taking place. The Defense Minister rashly said there will be no extension, which statement as all know is whistling in the dark. To underline the foolishness of the defense minister, Pakistani corps commanders say they went General Kayani to stay as the chief until CI operations are over.
The defense minister is not rash, he is chankiyan. There will be no extension for Kayani. The Pak government is not thinking about extending Kayani. Instead it is thinking about increasing the tenure of all COAS to 5 years. Going by that convoluted logic, they are not considering Kayani's extension per se.
