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Done with all these The Kanimozhi-Radia Tapes,Bharath.Subramanyam wrote:I have been downloading from http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268069
I have done around 35 odd downloads from the top in the above page. Can some begin from "Imp- MK Vinu-20090709-084733 "
But there more pages like:
The Ratan Tata, Barkha Dutt & Other Tapes : http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268068
The Vir Sanghvi- Niira Radia Tapes : http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268066
The Raja-Radia Tapes : http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268064
The Kanimozhi-Radia Tapes : http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268065
Guys can we share the download work? We can then create a repository and then map people & things (as ramana ji has suggested)
There are number of options to host audio files. I have not done myself. I guess one could even upload it to youtube; but there might be some gymnastics involved there.Bharath.Subramanyam wrote:Any ideas on putting them in some common site?
We used the word "dangerous" for "deadliest".I am glad my posts are of some value to you Shiv-ji.shiv wrote: Go ahead and act sir. No need to talk to me or address me at all. It's a waste of time. You only get satisfaction from saying something different - but you will do zilch. The outermost limits of your power extend to being critical of me. You too make me laugh. I sometimes read your posts for that reason.
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ndtv[quote][/quote]REJOINDER In a statement issued by NDTV on Open magazine’s cover story, The X-Tapes, which carried, among others, transcripts of conversations between Barkha Dutt and Niira Radia, the television channel included comments by Open’s editor Manu Joseph. What was not mentioned in NDTV’s statement was that Manu Joseph’s comments were extracted from an SMS he had sent to Barkha Dutt as a reply to her message that someone in Open was running a “smear campaign” against her. His message (which begins with, “That’s not true”) is in reply to her accusation. The editor of the magazine firmly stands by the story, and to say that he has admitted to a “distortion in the story’s caption” is a gross distortion in itself. Also, he had used the word “unremarkable” to describe her transcripts, only in the context of Barkha Dutt’s claim that there was a smear campaign against her.
The NDTV statement further objects to “the clear misrepresentation of conversations between Barkha Dutt and Ms Niira Radia, that took place in May 2009.”
Open maintains that there was no misrepresentation. The conversations were carried as they appeared in the recordings. NDTV does not deny that these conversations had taken place.
The NDTV statement goes on to say, “NDTV believes the magazine should first verify and corroborate facts before participating in a defamatory smear campaign. These are unsubstantiated, baseless and defamatory allegations and we reserve the right to take appropriate action.”
Open magazine is sure of its content, which is why it decided to run the story. Open is one of the most respected magazines in the country, it has among its staff some of the finest journalists in the country and it has no interest in participating in any smear campaign against a well-known journalist. The cover story is self-evident and anybody who has read it can see very clearly that there have been no “unsubstantiated, baseless or defamatory” allegations.
The special programme on Sakshi television was telecast to mark the 125th anniversary celebrations of the Congress party. “Sonia Gandhi is neither the President nor the Prime Minister but she is dictating the politics of the country. There is a coterie around Sonia which is responsible for the mess in the Congress,” the programme said. Calling Prime Minister Singh a “rubber stamp,” Sakshi said the PM remained a mute witness even as the 2G spectrum scandal surfaced and cited Supreme Court’s observations.
“Under her leadership and UPA government, several scandals and scams have occurred which have become a noose around the Congress’ neck. The party high command maintains a stoic silence on all these schemes because the situation is going out of hand,” it said. Sonia Gandhi’s political secretary Ahmed Patel was singled out in the programme. The report said Patel was the leader of the “coterie” around Sonia Gandhi. “Ahmed Patel himself has no political base. He is a native of Gujarat where the Congress has totally been wiped out,” the report said.
I was with PV Narasimha Rao who was treated very badly by Sonia Gandhi. And I am still very soft on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Even the Supreme Court noted that I have a high opinion about the prime minister. But unfortunately, the Congress today has become a crass money-grabbing entity. So, I have to take a stand. The Congress — not the prime minister but Sonia Gandhi — is trying to target the opposition. She is telling the media not to publish anything I say.
But Sonia Gandhi dare not file a case against me.As far as Raja case is concerned, I don’t need sanction any more. The prosecution can go ahead. The issue is why did the prime minister take such a long time? Why did he not decide immediately? My question is whether there is any mala fide intention in his delay. But I don’t want him to resign because everyone knows he doesn’t exercise full power. He has to take sanctions from Sonia Gandhi.
One thing about this scam is that it was started with the new govt formation in May 2009.Airavat wrote:2g scam will be a fatal blow to DMK, SoniaI was with PV Narasimha Rao who was treated very badly by Sonia Gandhi. And I am still very soft on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Even the Supreme Court noted that I have a high opinion about the prime minister. But unfortunately, the Congress today has become a crass money-grabbing entity. So, I have to take a stand. The Congress — not the prime minister but Sonia Gandhi — is trying to target the opposition. She is telling the media not to publish anything I say.
But Sonia Gandhi dare not file a case against me.As far as Raja case is concerned, I don’t need sanction any more. The prosecution can go ahead. The issue is why did the prime minister take such a long time? Why did he not decide immediately? My question is whether there is any mala fide intention in his delay. But I don’t want him to resign because everyone knows he doesn’t exercise full power. He has to take sanctions from Sonia Gandhi.
There is another possibility ... sometimes it is hard to control your pets. There could be a higher bidder.Muppalla wrote: I guess you did not undestand my point. It has become a big deal only after the GOI released the tapes thru its one of the pets Outlook magazine. What I am trying to tell is Pioneer published evidence (not just story) during 2006 and HT aka India Today aka AajTak plays portions of tapes that has conversations between Rada and Raja and also some telecom officials during late 2009 and early 2010. When HT journos asked Mr.Raja about the tapes, he punched on the face of the HT journo in Chennai airport. This was also in way back.
From that perspective, these tapes are no big deal.
SwamyG wrote:Agreed. I have no illusions. But then why are people like Subramania Swamy still alive. I might not agree with all that he says but I would like him to be safe and alive. He has been a pain in the ass of several politicians.
shiv wrote:SwamyG wrote:A serious question. How do these guys steal or accept bribes involving huge amounts of money? It is not like they have hard currency notes in a suitcase under their bed or backyard, right? A dissident from their own camp can alert IT folks.
Wrong. Money is stored and exchanged in bags/suitcases. Dissidents are paid off. IT folks are paid off. Or threatened. With the police under the thumb of a corrupt state politico - people can and do get bumped off. India is a corrupt country. Period.
Don't have any lllusions to the contrary. That is why all supporters of any major party make me laugh. They are all corrupt.
Please please tell me where I can find this piece of high comedy.geeth wrote:Latest: Vahanvati, selected to represent PM in court appears to have given opinion in favour of Raja, which was contradictory to that given by Law Ministry.
Subramaniam Swamy is having a good time in TV - He is calling Manish Tiwari (Spokesman of Kangress) a "Moorkh" and what not!
Oh God! I am getting back to the 'feel good' mode first time after the last Parliament elections
Hindi newspaper 'Dainik Jagran'http://www.jagran.com also has this story. Subramaniam Swamy was talking to the reporters in Dehradun.ShivHari wrote:According to Hindi newspaper 'NavBharat Times' Subramanyam Swami has levelled charges that 30% of the 2G spectrum money went to Karunanidhi whereas 30% each went to Sonia Gandhi's 2 sisters. Rest 10% was kept by A Raja. No other English or Hindi paper is carrying this story.
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main44.asp ... omeone.aspWill Someone Take This Call?
Here are eight reasons why ‘telecom Raja’ should quit, but he seems untouchable
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PARANJOY GUHA THAKURTA
Senior Journalist
WHY DOES Andimuthu Raja have a charmed existence as Union Minister for Communications and Information Technology, despite accusations that he has virtually singlehandedly caused a staggering loss to the national exchequer somewhere between Rs 50,000 crore and Rs 100,000 crore?
Has his continuance as boss of Sanchar Bhavan — headquarters of the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) — got something to do with the fact that he’s a Dalit, as his mentor, Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) supremo and Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Muthuvel Karunanidhi would have us believe?
How has Raja remained ensconced in his seat despite the fact that the country’s premier police investigating agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation, conducted search-andseizure raids on his offices and the Central Vigilance Commission pointed out “blatant violations” of rules, even as he continued to attend Cabinet meetings?
How many ministers in the government of India can get away cocking an arrogant snook at none else than Prime Minister Manmohan Singh more than once, by tailoring official policies in an unfair and opaque manner to favour a select few at the expense of the public at large — and then pretend that nothing untoward has happened?
Is it not curious that Raja should be tom-toming the government’s “achievement” in obtaining more than Rs 40,000 crore through a “public auction” of third-generation (3G) electro- magnetic spectrum to private firms that provide cellphone services, when, in January 2008, his ministry provided second-generation (2G) spectrum to a clutch of firms on a “first-come-first-served” basis for a fraction of the amount?
Is it not scandalous that the money that was paid in early 2008 (when market conditions were better than today) for an “all-India” mobile telephone licence with bundled spectrum, based on valuations that prevailed in 2001 — an amount of Rs 1,651 crore — is today close to what the same set of companies are offering for a licence for a single telecommunications “circle” or region, namely, Mumbai?
Does Raja, in a sense, represent the worst manifestation of the consequences and compulsions of coalition politics since, after all, the PM was literally arm-twisted into including him in his Council of Ministers, and since the Congress and the DMK are mutually dependent on each other, in Chennai and in New Delhi?
How many ministers can get away with unfair policies that favour a few at the expense of the public?
Did spokespersons of the Congress like Abhishek Manu Singhvi have no choice but to claim that “there is no proof or credible evidence” to substantiate the accusations against Raja — after both houses of Parliament had to be frequently adjourned — when former Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor lost his job, confronted as he was with far less serious allegations?
FACT 1: On November 2, 2007, the PM wrote to Raja in response to him poohpoohing the recommendation of the Law Ministry to set up an empowered group of ministers and directed him to ensure that 2G spectrum was allotted in a fair, efficient and transparent manner and to ensure that the licence fee was appropriately revised. He did not.
FACT 2: In late 2007, Raja waited for the seniormost official in the DoT (DS Mathur) to resign, and another senior technocrat (Manju Madhavan) to retire prematurely — both of them had argued against his move to allot spectrum on a first-come-first-served basis — before inducting a bureaucrat of his choice (Siddharth Behura) and going ahead with his controversial policy of allotting spectrum with licences to a clutch of private companies at prices that were around seven times lower than prevailing market rates.
FACT 3: On September 25, 2007, a few hours after the Unitech Group put in 22 applications through eight companies, the DoT issued an apparently innocuous-sounding press release stating that it would not accept applications beyond October 1, 2007. In this period of three working days, as many as 373 additional applications were received. Subsequently, courts of law castigated the DoT for arbitrarily bringing forward the cutoff date for receiving applications.
FACT 4: On October 19 that year, the department implemented its decision on “technology neutrality” — allowing companies using both the Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) technology and its rival Global System for Mobile communications (GSM) to apply for spectrum, in deviation from the TRAI’s (Telecom Regulatory Authority of India) recommendations — that benefitted companies like Reliance Communications and Tata Teleservices.
Courts have rapped DoT for arbitrarily bringing forward the cut-off date for receiving applications
FACT 5: On January 10, 2008, at 2.45 pm, all hell broke loose at Sanchar Bhavan after an announcement was posted on the website of the DoT, stating that letters of intent for issuance of licences bundled with spectrum, would be issued to private companies between 3.30 pm and 4.30 pm on immediate payment of application fees (running into over Rs 1,650 crore in certain cases) by demand draft with supporting documentation. Those who deposited their fees first by even a fraction of a second, were favoured in the infamous first-come-first-served system. In the mad melee, well-heeled CEOs and DoT staffers were bashed up in front of television cameras, before the cops arrived on the scene — late as usual.
FACT 6: In September 2008, Swan Telecom sold 45 percent of its shares to Etisalat (of the United Arab Emirates) for $900 million or around Rs 4,200 crore — the firm had obtained its licence for only Rs 1,537 crore and does not possess any major assets.
FACT 7: A month later, Unitech Wireless offloaded 60 percent of its stake to Telenor, Norway, for Rs 6,200 crore — this company too could only count among its assets, a licence with spectrum for which it paid the DoT a sum of Rs 1,651 crore in January 2008.
FACT 8: Thereafter, Tata Teleservices sold 26 percent of its shares to NTT DoCoMo of Japan for Rs 13,230 crore. All these valuations indicated that under Raja’s stewardship, the DoT sold nine licences for at least one-seventh their market prices, causing a loss of not less than Rs 50,000 crore to the country.
CONCLUSION: In the brave new world of economic liberalisation, what prevails is crony capitalism. The great Indian telecom revolution, often showcased as a glowing example of the success of deregulation in this country, has an all-too-ugly underbelly.
Nira Radia is an Indian PR consultant and lobbyist with a British passport.[1] She came into prominence after several tapes allegedly recorded by the Indian Income Tax Department in 2008-09 [2] showed her lobbying for appointment of Cabinet Ministers ex DMK, including A Raja, through influential journalist Barkha Dutt and DMK chief Karunanidhi's daughter Kanimozhi[3][4].
She was subsequently shown involved in influencing the highly controversial 2G spectrum allotment in 2008 by lobbying with A Raja[5], resulting in an alleged swindling of $39bn as per BBC[6], in what is supposedly the biggest financial and economic crime in India till date. [7][8][9]. The tapes which were first made public by the OPEN magazine also featured prominent Indian journalist Vir Sanghvi setting agendas dictated by Radia [10].
[edit] Biography
Radia's family had moved to Britain after they fled Lagos, Nigeria, in the aftermath of the Idi Amin-led upheaval in Uganda in the 1970s, and she, the youngest sibling of four sisters and a brother, grew up in Londons suburbia.
Nira Radia's father, who converted to Islam and was rechristened Iqbal Menon, was an agent for Westland Helicopters in East Africa, and soon started an aircraft charter business in the UK.[citation needed]
A British citizen, Radia moved from England to Surajkund, India with her three sons after her marriage to a Kutchi businessman, Janak Radia failed.[11] In 2003, Dheeraj Singh, a business partner, was arrested with an accomplice for allegedly kidnapping her 18-year-old son.[12]
पीएम के बाद स्वामी ने सोनिया को लपेटा http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/ar ... 963146.cmsShivHari wrote:According to Hindi newspaper 'NavBharat Times' Subramanyam Swami has levelled charges that 30% of the 2G spectrum money went to Karunanidhi whereas 30% each went to Sonia Gandhi's 2 sisters. Rest 10% was kept by A Raja. No other English or Hindi paper is carrying this story.
If each of Sonia's Italian sisters have received 30% of the loot, the appearance of the story in the "pet" Outlook magazine can only mean that the pet has gone out of control.ShivHari wrote:According to Hindi newspaper 'NavBharat Times' Subramanyam Swami has levelled charges that 30% of the 2G spectrum money went to Karunanidhi whereas 30% each went to Sonia Gandhi's 2 sisters. Rest 10% was kept by A Raja. No other English or Hindi paper is carrying this story.
I am curious why you think it is from ground up (it may be, I am just asking the basis for this). My experience has been that if a person on the top is strict and honest, his subordinates will be less likely to engage in outright corruption.Shiv wrote:The fact is corruption starts from the ground level up. The way I see it is that my duty is to reduce corruption at my level where I can do something. I can do something at local level by electing non corrupt politicians and ensuring clean governance where government impinges on society around me. But this is not the only way. Others have other ideas and priorities. Everyone must do what he or she can.
Corruption exists from top to bottom in India. But in many instances the top can have a clean man who is powerless to control the ground level corruption. I see many real life examples of this regularly.Tanaji wrote:I am curious why you think it is from ground up (it may be, I am just asking the basis for this). My experience has been that if a person on the top is strict and honest, his subordinates will be less likely to engage in outright corruption.Shiv wrote:The fact is corruption starts from the ground level up. The way I see it is that my duty is to reduce corruption at my level where I can do something. I can do something at local level by electing non corrupt politicians and ensuring clean governance where government impinges on society around me. But this is not the only way. Others have other ideas and priorities. Everyone must do what he or she can.
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Bottom line: I dont think its quite easy to classify corruption. I would say its human nature... while surroundings play a part, it is down to the person.
By no means should we hasten to conclude India is a banan republic because 8 of the judges are corrupt, its just an allegation, I implore..The eight allegedly corrupt CJIs feature among a list of 16 prepared by Bhushan—comprising Justices Ranganath Mishra, K N Singh, M H Kania, L M Sharma, M N Venkatachalliah, A M Ahmadi, J S Verma, M M Punchhi, A S Anand, S P Bharucha, B N Kirpal, G B Patnaik, Rajendra Babu, R C Lahoti, V N Khare and Y K Sabharwal. Terming eight among the list as "definitely corrupt", Bhushan put their names in a sealed cover and submitted it to the Supreme Court and virtually dared it to open it and read out the contents.
Also, how easy it seems for these power-brokers to casually fix not just politicians -- e.g. Venkaiah Naidu of the BJP here is mentioned as amenable to persuasion, as against Arun Shourie, for example -- but also, in their narration, the higher judiciary.
It could be that the post of recruitment officer is auctioned off by the minister. So this need not be bottom-up corruption. It could be just a case of an honest officer stuck under a dishonest minister.shiv wrote: For example our local residents association had meeting with the police chief for the area. He was pretty candid that if there was serious crime he should be contacted because the level of corruption at lower levels was high and that he would be able to make the system work the way it was supposed to work. Young recruits who enter the police force have to pay bribes to get in. This is true even for local bus transport driver recruitment. I had a chauffeur who wanted to get a government bus driver job and he was as SC/SC as they come. He was a good driver and had all the caste certificates. What he needed was the bribe money.
Could be. In this case BJP.Pranav wrote:It could be that the post of recruitment officer is auctioned off by the minister. So this need not be bottom-up corruption. It could be just a case of an honest officer stuck under a dishonest minister.shiv wrote: For example our local residents association had meeting with the police chief for the area. He was pretty candid that if there was serious crime he should be contacted because the level of corruption at lower levels was high and that he would be able to make the system work the way it was supposed to work. Young recruits who enter the police force have to pay bribes to get in. This is true even for local bus transport driver recruitment. I had a chauffeur who wanted to get a government bus driver job and he was as SC/SC as they come. He was a good driver and had all the caste certificates. What he needed was the bribe money.
It is unlikely that an honest cabinet could not run a clean administration if it wanted to. On the other hand, the commoners can scarcely be blamed for coughing up to extortionist administrators. Which is why it is Yatha Raja Tatha Praja, and not vice versa.shiv wrote:Could be. In this case BJP.Pranav wrote:
It could be that the post of recruitment officer is auctioned off by the minister. So this need not be bottom-up corruption. It could be just a case of an honest officer stuck under a dishonest minister.
Smart Sanskrit cliches from ancient days is the nonsense we like to hide behind as we want to deny that we are a corrupt nation from bottom to top. Netas deny that they are corrupt of course. You are welcome to think what you like. If you live in India an that is what you see you are blessed. My life is not as blessed as yours.Pranav wrote: It is unlikely that an honest cabinet could not run a clean administration if it wanted to. On the other hand, the commoners can scarcely be blamed for coughing up to extortionist administrators. Which is why it is Yatha Raja Tatha Praja, and not vice versa.
