Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

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Yeh Kya hua, Kaise hua, Kyon Hua, Kubb Hua, Poaqs Hain Arabo Ka Bachha, Nahi Lagg Koi Local Khatta
Arabs question centuries-old tradition of cousin marriages
DOHA: Noor was not the first in her Qatari family to marry a close relative, but she may be one of the last.
Throughout the Middle East, Africa and parts of South Asia, marriage between family members has been widely practised for thousands of years, largely as a means of securing relationships between tribes and preserving family wealth, but also as a practical necessity given that genders are often kept separate.At least half of all Gulf Arab marriages are between cousins, with at least 35 per cent of Qatari marriages between first cousins, according to current research by the Centre for Arab Genomic Studies based in Dubai. In Saudi Arabia, the number ranges from 25 to 42 per cent while in the United Arab Emirates, it is between 21 and 28 per cent.

Though not prohibited by Islam, Christianity or Judaism, some cite the hadith, or saying of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), as an injunction against the practice: “Marry those who are unrelated to you, so your children do not become weak.”Others in support of it point out that the Prophet (pbuh) married his own daughter to a first cousin.“There’s a misconception that parents often force their daughters to marry within the family. Our segregated lifestyle often doesn’t allow for mixing of the sexes except within the family environment, so many times the only chance of falling in love is within the family, because you are completely closed off from others,” Saudi author Samar Fatany told Reuters.For Gulf Arab nationals, if you don’t marry your first cousin, you still are highly likely marry within your clan or tribe. And if you’re marrying within your clan or tribe, it’s almost certain that you’re marrying a relative, which also carries a certain degree of risk,” said Alan Bittles, a geneticist at the Centre for Comparative Genomics at Australia’s Murdoch University.“People rely on the family, the clan, for their well-being. (Gulf Arab societies) are tribal societies, and it becomes very political. Particularly if there is a weak central government, clan and tribal affiliations become much more important,” Bittles said.“You’ve got to weigh the social advantages with the potential genetic disadvantages.”Noor, now 21 and pursuing a degree in international politics at Georgetown University’s Doha campus, told Reuters she thought future generations would deal with the issue differently than she did.
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Anujan wrote:If Pakis are freely admitting that OBL lived in 5 safe houses (including ones in Peshawar) and fathered 2 children in Government hospitals, what are they hiding?
They are not freely admitting anything. They have an idea of what Unkil knows and can prove and they are trying to manage the release themselves and omit info that can implicate anyone.
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Evidently there is a hadith which describes Gazhwa-a-Hind, which says that the Ummah Caliphate will conquer Hindustan. The Paki loony Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid has filed a petition in Paki SC where he says he has:
“Allahu Akbar!!!! Today, we have filed a Petition in the Supreme Court against SAFMA for High Treason against Pak Sarzameen (land), its sacred ideology, its beloved founding fathers and waging a war against Pak Sarzameen, armed forces and our freedom on behalf of the enemies. We have demanded Death Penalty under article 6 High Treason law for All SAFMA leaders, members and supporters like Imtiaz Alam, Marvi Sermed, Najam Sethi, Hamid Mir, Asma Jahangir, Hasan Nisar, Khaled Ahmed, Beena Sarwar, Nusrat Javed and Ali Chishti!
Now these snakes will be dragged to the court and confronted with their crimes against Pak Sarzameen InshAllah. Thousands of Pakistanis have joined hands alhamdolillah to expose and confront these snakes and now the Petition has been filed in the Supreme Court! By Allah, we will defend our Medina e Sani, its sacred ideology, its geography, its armed forces and our freedom! [Sic].”
The hadith:
Our destiny is Ghazwa e Hind NOT aman ki asha! They spread vulgarity, filth, Hinduism, *****, Hindu culture, dance and music within our youth.” Hamid has based this on a single Hadith, which appears in the only an-Nasai compilation of the Hadith: “A group of you will conquer India, Allah will open for them (India) until they have come with its kings chained — Allah having forgiven their sins. When they return back (from India), they will find ibn Maryam
Perhaps required daily reading for all pappi jhappi politicians.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2012_pg3_2
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NightWatch

For the night of 2 April 2012
Pakistan: Too good to omit :lol: A Pakistani court sentenced the wives of Usama bin Laden to 45 days in jail for illegal presence in Pakistan, in the past decade.


The sentence supports the government's contention that it did not know bin Laden's location. Ipso facto, the revelation that his wives were in Pakistan must be a crime, in the reasoning of the court.


The notion that Pakistani police are so inept and Pakistani intelligence and security services are so incompetent that the bin Laden clan could live and move around Pakistan with impunity for more than a decade did not seem to influence the government prosecutors or the judges of court. This was a face-saving charade.


In the end, bin Laden and his family were abandoned by everyone, including their Pakistani intelligence sponsors.
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^^^^ Reads like Nostradamus ravings!!!

What the heck is ibn Maryam

Son of Mary? Jesus?
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Hari Seldon wrote:
shiv wrote:
One things that is rarely analysed by anyone at all is the question of whether the "Pakistan" that people demanded was the Pakistan they actually got.
Who is 'they' saar? IMHO, each febrile wannabe porki had his own orGASmic vision of what Pak was gonna be like - Djinnah downwards.
The people who actually found themselves in Pakistan. The best definition I can coin for "Pakistanis" is "Those people who found themselves within the borders drawn by Radcliffe and those who deliberately migrated to the area within those" borders .

It appears that Djinnah wanted Hyderabad, Saurashtra, Kashmir in adition to undivided Punjab and Bengal, but even as he was lording over Pakis on 14th August 1947 he had no clue what Pakistan he was going to get. This may be a lie. Maybe he knew, but the story that is recorded is that he did not know. I am of course going to keep working on finding out if he might have known more.

The map on the cover of Rajiv Malhotra's book "Brealing India" was probably the dream of some

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surinder wrote:
shiv wrote: .. but by the fact that he expected India to call itself "Bharat" and give up the name India. And not doing that ended up being a grouse.

Shiv, is that true?
The only ready cite I have for this is a book called "Empires of the Indus" by one Alice Albinia. I need to cross check he literature sources to see where she got that.
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brihaspati wrote: Off the cuff, look at the peculiar example of Ranjit Sau in EPW, 2001.
"On the Kashmir question: Liberation, Jihad, or What? EPW, vol 36, no. 17, 2001. pp 1473-1479.

Sau discusses internal fissures - again most interestingly involving one Prof. Hafeez Saeed of the time at a place called Muridke, [the so-called Markaz thesis] - dragging up everything from the fissures over role and definition of state, economy, ummah, monotheism, kaffir, Brahmanism, shudra/dalit etc. He proposes that there were also "universalist" and "inclusive" positions within Islamism that stood on opposite positions to the Markazi, and which is common to the core of "Hinduism". Thus he represents Islam and islamism, as having internal fissures over externalities like the question of kaffir, Brahmanism, etc - in which one or more universalist position overlap or coincide with similar "fissur-ial" positions within Hinduism.

Thanks for the pointer. But what this man has said seems to have interesting parallels with what Rajiv Malhotra says was done by Christist "scholars" in the South who "absorbed and incorporated" all that was convenient from Hindu tradition/texts as being of Christian origin while simultaneously being bitterly critical of Hindus for anything they did not want. What we are looking at is not just a rewriting of history that is the most commonly recognized issue on here, but a rewriting of religion, sociology and the history of religion. Multiple assaults aimed fundamentally at killing Hindu identity and self esteem. Judging by the way I find Indians even in the media being blindly critical of anything Indian these manipulations have succeeded to a great extent.
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Unfortunately the term “IT” in the headline here does not stand for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s national pastime of Islamic Terrorism:

Global IT ranking: Pakistan drops 14 places in a year
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State Dept: Of course we know where Hafiz Mohammad Saeed is
On Monday, Saeed became only the fifth wanted criminal to warrant the top-dollar bounty in the State Department's Rewards for Justice Program. "Saeed is suspected of masterminding numerous terrorist attacks, including the 2008 Mumbai attacks, which resulted in the deaths of 166 people, including six American citizens," the State Department says in its reward notice.

In response, Saeed held a Wednesday press conference in Pakistan to make fun of the bounty.

"I am here, I am visible. America should give that reward money to me," he said. "I will be in Lahore tomorrow. America can contact me whenever it wants to."

At Wednesday State Department press briefing, Spokesman Mark Toner explained that of course the U.S. government knows where Saeed is ... and that wasn't the point of the bounty.

"Just to clarify, the $10 million is for information not about his location but information that leads to an arrest or conviction. And this is information that could withstand judicial scrutiny. So I think what's important here is we're not seeking this guy's location," Toner said. "We all know where he is. Every journalist in Pakistan and in the region knows how to find him. But we're looking for information that can be usable to convict him in a court of law."

Reporters at the briefing pointed out that Saeed has already been indicted in India so presumably the Indians have plenty of evidence to convict him.

"Look, I think we're trying to, you know, get information that can be used to put this gentleman behind bars," Toner said. "There is information, there's intelligence that, you know, is not necessarily usable in a court of law."
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^^^ So in the end is the offering of a bounty for Hafiz Saeed could yet be another attempt by the US to protect its Pakistani client and save them the blushes by saying that there is no evidence, especially any evidence that India may have gathered, to indicate that Hafiz Saeed is a Islamic Terrorist?
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The Islamic Republic of Pakistan gets Electronic Warfare Systems from the US for their US supplied F-16’s:

Pakistani air force getting EW system
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"There is information, there's intelligence that, you know, is not necessarily usable in a court of law"
Which "court of law" again? lawhore or k'chi? Hafeez Saeed has a great reason to :rotfl: onlee. :)
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With $10 million bounty on his head, Pakistan militant taunts U.S

By Michael Georgy and Qasim Nauman
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan | Wed Apr 4, 2012 5:03pm EDT
(Reuters) - Who wants to be a millionaire? In Pakistan, all you have to do is give the United States information leading to the arrest or conviction of Hafiz Saeed - an Islamist leader whose whereabouts are usually not a mystery. Saeed is suspected of masterminding the attack on India's financial capital Mumbai in 2008 that killed 166 people, including six Americans.

U.S. authorities placed a bounty on Monday of up to $10 million on Saeed, but on Wednesday he was openly wandering across Pakistan's military garrison town of Rawalpindi, hanging out with some of the most anti-American characters in the country.

"This is a laughable, absurd announcement. Here I am in front of everyone, not hiding in a cave," Saeed told a news conference at a hotel - a mere 40-minute drive from the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad and just across from the headquarters of Pakistan's army, recipient of billions of dollars in U.S. aid.

Saeed, 61, founded LeT in the 1990s and it became one of South Asia's best-funded militant organizations. He abandoned its leadership after India accused it of being behind an attack on the Indian parliament in December 2001. India has long called for Saeed's capture, blaming the LeT for the Mumbai carnage. He denies any wrongdoing and links to militants.

The former professor of Islamic studies seemed unfazed by the bounty. As stern-faced bodyguards with AK-47 assault rifles kept a close watch, he ridiculed the Americans during his press conference at The Flashman's Hotel.

He was flanked by some of Pakistan's most hard line Islamists who all belong to an alliance of groups campaigning for a break in ties with the United States and India. They included Sami-ul-Haq, a cleric best known as "the father of the Taliban" for his historical ties to the Afghan militant movement. Another member, Hamid Gul, a former head of Pakistan's intelligence service, was also present. On the edge of Islamabad, a Pakistani intelligence officer who has handled militant groups for decades, shook his head as he pondered the U.S. reward.

"If the guy who decided to do this could get a job in the State Department, then I could be the president of the United States," the chuckling operative, wearing a suit and puffing on a cigarette, said.

"God bless America."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 7V20120404
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Chidambaram may skip PM lunch for Zardari to avoid Rehman Malik

I do not like Chidu one bit but I commend him for choosing to not meet that buffoon.
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surinder wrote:
shiv wrote: .. but by the fact that he expected India to call itself "Bharat" and give up the name India. And not doing that ended up being a grouse.
Shiv, is that true?
surinder, what Shiv has written is quite true. Jinnah was quite upset. It is not only Jinnah, but other Pakistanis too. I quote from Ms. Hamida Kuhro, who is the daughter of Kuhro, the first Chief Minister of the Sind in independent Pakistan whose government was dismissed by Jinnah because Kuhro had a misunderstanding with Liaquat Ali Khan. This is what she wrote in a TFT article, even blaming Jinnah for that lapse.
Above all I was very upset at the appropriation of the name ‘India’ by the Bharat part of the subcontinent – a name which by all rights belonged to us, the Indus regions. Didn’t the Quaid know any history? I was proud of Indian history. The source of this history, the great river, was in my home district, Larkana. On its one side was ancient Moenjodaro, on the other was Alore, the capital of Sindh conquered by Mohammad bin Qasim with its 8th century mosque’s pillars still standing. Akbar, the greatest Mughal, had been born in Umerkot in the Sindhi desert; we were an integral part of historical India – and now we had been cut out of it!
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shiv wrote: It appears that Djinnah wanted Hyderabad, Saurashtra, Kashmir in adition to undivided Punjab and Bengal,
Shiv sir,

Even if the Pakjabi mullah thinks, using his lahori logic, that the north Indian muslim will not fight for India (which is an absolutely absurd assumption), please explain this to me.

Other than UP and Bengal, which have substantial muslim population, and Kashmir which is a muslim majority state the territory marked Mughalstan, contains the following states on that map.

State............. Population (in crores)
Punjab..........................2.5
Harayana......................2.5
Rajasthan......................6.9
Himachal.......................0.7
Uttarakhand...................1.0
(Indian Punjab was divided into present day Punjab and Haryana.)

All of them have 85% and above Hindu population except Punjab (where 2/3 are sikhs and 1/3 Hindus)

Haryana has a Jat majority, Punjab has that of Sikhs, Rajasthan that of Rajputs, Uttarakhand of Garhwals; I mean all of them are fiercely patriotic and absolutely believe in the idea of India. Why even dream such absurd things and to top it all write a book?
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India has long called for Saeed's capture, blaming the LeT for the Mumbai carnage
blame-to find fault with,To place responsibility for

Then who was responsible for the carnage?

The Anglo-americans are the real villains,the real barbarians.The pakis are just a tool in their hands.

And even now Hafeez pig is being treated with kid gloves and he is in the radar only because of cold calculations
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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/saeed-wants- ... 742-2.html
Hafiz Saeed wants to destroy India: Ex-CIA officer

Hafiz Saeed's vision is "destruction" of India, says US counter-terrorism expert Bruce Riedel, maintaining that the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e- Toiba founder is an al Qaeda ally who was in close touch with Osama bin Laden until his death in May 2011.

"Saeed, a very public figure in Pakistan and admired by its military, advocates a truly extreme vision: the restoration of the Mughal empire and the destruction of India," Bruce Riedel, a former CIA officer and now a senior fellow in the Seban Center at Brookings Institute, said.

America's decision to announce a bounty of $10 million on Saeed would further deteriorate its relationship with Pakistan, he wrote in 'The Daily Beast'. Saeed, he said, stayed in close contact with bin Laden until his death in May 2011 in a covert US raid, according to the material found in the al-Qaeda leader's hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
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Yawn news reports

Suicide blast in Karachi kills at least three
KARACHI: At least three people lost their lives while eight others were injured as a bomb exploded in the city’s Malir Halt area on Thursday, DawnNews reported.

Security sources confirmed that the blast was a suicide attack on a convoy of police vehicles.

The suicide attacker rammed his motorbike into SSP Rao Anwar’s vehicle before he blew himself up, security sources added.

The area was cordoned off while rescue-workers and a large contingent of security personnel surrounded the area.

The wounded were transferred to the emergency unit at Jinnah hospital where hospital sources said that two of the injured were in critical condition.
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Roperia wrote:
Even if the Pakjabi mullah thinks, using his lahori logic, that the north Indian muslim will not fight for India (which is an absolutely absurd assumption), please explain this to me.
Roperia the problem with history is that there is too much of it. Pakistan has been inciting separatism in India for a long time and it has simply not worked the way they expected it to work. There was a time maybe after the 1965 war when Indians could thumb their noses at Pakis and tell them that they were unable to incite rebellion even in Kashmir. fter 1971 I think Indians had several years of ROTFL at Pakistan expense laughing at heir two nation theory.

In my view - if the Pakistan army had no survived these fiascos, Pakistan may have turned into a less dysfunctional state - but that is like saying "If my aunt had a di*k she would have been my uncle". But I digress..

The current day situation of Pakistan was sparked by Bhutto senior and Zia's islamization and the cold war "victory" in Afghanistan. Pakistan got what they wanted to show as a victory, but not over India. Pakistan is a nation of 190-200 million brainwashed people who have been/are being taught that their problems are caused by india. Maybe that is true. Maybe India is the source of their problems. But those problems are not going to get better by trying to hit or punish India because Indians are not simply going to get pushed aside. It is another matter that Indians themselves are at the cutting edge of the frontline that hollers that India is a weak pushover about to be swallowed up by Islam aided by internal traitors. But that viewpoint fits in well with the fact that pride in India has been totally beaten out of a lot of educated Indians. Once an Indian gets an education - he learns the history written by the Brits using Islamic sources, believes that Indians do not record history, and then gets convinced that India is nothing, has nothing, and can do nothing and collapse and failure is right around the corner.

Unfortunately for Pakistan, India is not actually gong to roll over, expose its belly and give up. Collapse of Pakistan may not be around the corner either, but that does not translate into collapse of India. It is easy to sit and write reams pointing out how Pakistan is failing. Or not failing. It is equally easy to write reams about why india is failing. Or not failing. Ultimately India and Pakistan are similar in every way except for what has transpired in the last 60-70 years. The people who cook up the particular metrics by which India and Pakistan need to be compared are sociologists and statisticians using the same methods that have been applied for the last 200 years. By those metrics there is very little difference between India and Pakistan. Only Indians and Pakistanis list out differences that no one else recognizes or considers as significant.

India has had as much of a problem staying together as Pakistan. Pakistanis know this and it was Pakistan that was expected to succeed and it was India that was expected to split up and fail. Goes to show that "expectations" are worth only so much. I expect Angelina Jolie to call me any minute now. Partition was a lesson to Indians that splitting of one's country is possible if some people seriously decide to opt out. India certainly could have split further because there is no fundamental difference between India and Pakistan. But after facing one split, Indian politics realised that people have to be internally happy within India for them to want to stay in the Indian union. Not just Muslims, but others as well. India spent 50 years just accommodating its own people and addressing internal fission. And its still going on - not helped at all by people who compare India unfavourably with every developed nation on earth. If Indians show any unity today as Indians it is because effort has gone into that - inclusive effort that started before 1947 but went on after 1947.

Pakistanis assumed that islam would hold them together and that any unhappiness was because India was the problem. Indeed India is a problem because it ain't gonna give Pakis what they want. But Pakistan is lucky because India will allow Pakistan to exist (no other option for India) so they can start looking at what they need to do to run a country. They still haven't started that process - which is why Pakistan is what it is. War with India will not cut it. And terrorism will take them only so far. Ultimately their only way forward will have to be to hide Islam inside their pockets and start dealing with India. If they don;t do that it will be more of same (as we have now) for some more time.
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shiv wrote:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/saeed-wants- ... 742-2.html

Hafiz Saeed wants to destroy India: Ex-CIA officer
The good CIA officer, true to American tradition, has mastered the art of telling lies and obfuscating without actually lying. Hafeez Saeed is only echoing the deep-held sentiments and obsession of majority of Pakijabis, including US clients, the Paki military. But by attributing this to Hafeez pig alone, the CIA officer deftly spares the rest of his clients.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:State Dept: Of course we know where Hafiz Mohammad Saeed isAt Wednesday State Department press briefing, Spokesman Mark Toner explained that of course the U.S. government knows where Saeed is
Of course we know where you are Mr. Saeed! Now, just stay still for fifteen minutes (and don't look up).
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shiv wrote: Once an Indian gets an education - he learns the history written by the Brits using Islamic sources, believes that Indians do not record history, and then gets convinced that India is nothing, has nothing, and can do nothing and collapse and failure is right around the corner.
Absolutely agree with you.

Indians are indoctrinated with "education" that gives major credit to gandhi, nehru et al. and with minor credit to stalwarts like Subash Chandra Bose.

Yes Gandhi et al. did play their part, but we should never forget the work of people like Subash Chandra Bose, Vinayak Damodar Sarvarkar, Sri Aurobindo and the like who probably did just as much, if not more than the frequently highlighted ones. Even the great Shivaji is mentioned only briefly in our history books. Infact it was only after I started reading about the true history did I realise our NCERT books are just documents for brainwashing children into the congress camp.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it - this seems to have been the case when dealing with our neighbours, especially the pakis.
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The only positive from the report was that Pakistan stood the fourth cheapest mobile cellular tariffs
So the pakis have figured out the old Coin with a string technique, huh?
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CRamS wrote:
shiv wrote:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/saeed-wants- ... 742-2.html

Hafiz Saeed wants to destroy India: Ex-CIA officer
The good CIA officer, true to American tradition, has mastered the art of telling lies and obfuscating without actually lying. Hafeez Saeed is only echoing the deep-held sentiments and obsession of majority of Pakijabis, including US clients, the Paki military. But by attributing this to Hafeez pig alone, the CIA officer deftly spares the rest of his clients.
Well Hafiz is the offspring that has been nourished due to Nikkah Mutah between unkil and pakis. Unkil wants this offspring and other offsprings to stay focused on the mission of "destroy India" and god speed to them. However, Unkil is having some doubts that these offsprings could go wayward from their allotted mission, hence the concern and bounty to stay focused.
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Global IT ranking: Pakistan drops 14 places in a year

Check out this awesome comment (First off these pakis dont realise that this is about IT access and not about the IT industry as such
I refuse to believe this. We all heard just the other day that Pakistan has won a $350,000 contract for mobile development and the youngest microsoft certified professional is Pakistani also (though she died). How can Pakistan slip in rankings? This is probably some PR to cast the country in negative light.
Pakistani IT industry is as good as India. India has better PR.
So winning a 350k contract, which is probably what a company like infosys throws at partying every year.. pak should move up the rankings.. Oh what an unfair world.
Why cant Pakistan be a leader ? They have the potential
Why??? Time has come for another trainee to send this guy to his 72
I have worked with top Indian consultancy firm, out of a team of 20, 18 are dumb, but they have good marketing strategy globally, and their service portfolio is much greater than their competitors. The number of qualified resources are less in pakistan but they are exceptionally well.
:rotfl: while I know that there are dumb guys in the indian IT scene, but 18/20? hahahaha I think its more like 19.999999 out of 20
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all that chart tells me is that the paquis are less skilled than their peer group and clearly don't know how to price their services...
(double whammy...)
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/360113/obam ... fiz-saeed/
President Lahore Bar Association (LBA) Chaudhary Zulfiqar Ali, while condemning the $10 million United States (US) bounty on Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed, has said that Saeed was not a terrorist but rather American President Barack Obama himself was a terrorist.
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Anujan wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/360113/obam ... fiz-saeed/
President Lahore Bar Association (LBA) Chaudhary Zulfiqar Ali, while condemning the $10 million United States (US) bounty on Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed, has said that Saeed was not a terrorist but rather American President Barack Obama himself was a terrorist.
A few days ago, we were told that there are enough people in Pakistan who realize their mistakes and want to change Pakistan's trajectory. An overwhelming majority of Paki elites want reconciliation with India.

I am sure we will hear many voices against Hafez Sayyed from that "overwhelming majority". Let us wait.
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Anujan, Try to get the true history of LeT. I think it was created same time as AlQ. LeT was for India and AlQ was for other than India ie FSU. LeT was holding tank for Pakjabis and AlQ was for Arabs, Central Asians and other dregs.
When FSU collapsed the raisins for AlQ also collapsed. Hence it turned on its creators as it wasn't disbanded and de-militarized. After Op Parakaram LeT ops in India also got reduced. Again they turned on their creators. Again after mission failure the terrorists were not demobilized and de-militarized. Maybe hope was to retain them as hedge. But idle hands are devil's workshop.

So now figure out who the creators are?

TSPA is only midwife and wet nurse for these snakes.
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Anujan wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/360113/obam ... fiz-saeed/
President Lahore Bar Association (LBA) Chaudhary Zulfiqar Ali, while condemning the $10 million United States (US) bounty on Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed, has said that Saeed was not a terrorist but rather American President Barack Obama himself was a terrorist.
You know what? Every Pakistani might call the US the home of terrorism but the one single Paki group that will never do that is the Pakistan army. The Paki army does its talking via proxies like Hafiz Saeed. The US too talks indirectly using Drones and now this ransom on Hafiz Saeed's head.

As an aside did you folks see the news item that there was some trouble in Gilgit and the "army was called in".

Isn't it curious that ten times as much trouble occurs in Karachi and in Peshawar/Quetta. But the army never gets called in? Why?
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Anujan wrote:
venug wrote:I met some Bangladeshis, one person I talked to, had lost his relatives in 1971 genocide, but he bore no ill will towards his brothers on the other side. May be this is islam the unifying force in action, which can forgive and forget any wound in the name of allah.
Relatives of victims of 26/11 said Kasab should be pardoned. People who spent many many days in IC814 expressed sympathy for the hijackers. These are truly magnificent achievements of the unifying idealogy of Hinduism!!

Sarve Janaha Sukhino Bhavantu!!
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Shonu wrote:Global IT ranking: Pakistan drops 14 places in a year

Check out this awesome comment (First off these pakis dont realise that this is about IT access and not about the IT industry as such
I refuse to believe this. We all heard just the other day that Pakistan has won a $350,000 contract for mobile development and the youngest microsoft certified professional is Pakistani also (though she died). How can Pakistan slip in rankings? This is probably some PR to cast the country in negative light.
Pakistani IT industry is as good as India. India has better PR.
So winning a 350k contract, which is probably what a company like infosys throws at partying every year.. pak should move up the rankings.. Oh what an unfair world.
Why cant Pakistan be a leader ? They have the potential
Why??? Time has come for another trainee to send this guy to his 72
I have worked with top Indian consultancy firm, out of a team of 20, 18 are dumb, but they have good marketing strategy globally, and their service portfolio is much greater than their competitors. The number of qualified resources are less in pakistan but they are exceptionally well.
:rotfl: while I know that there are dumb guys in the indian IT scene, but 18/20? hahahaha I think its more like 19.999999 out of 20
350k will not even get the Infy sales team open their eyes.
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shiv wrote: Isn't it curious that ten times as much trouble occurs in Karachi and in Peshawar/Quetta. But the army never gets called in? Why?
Interesting.

Actually, Shiv, could you expand on that?

You probably may think that it as an obvious common knowledge, but I don't totally get it.
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Shiv, SSridhar:

Thanks for the links.


This apology-of-a-nation wanted to take the name "India" too ... shocking really.

It seems to be one big large loot-maar: steal the Indian food and call it "mughal" and non-Indian. Steal a language (Hindi) call it Urdu. Steal our architecture, our artisans, our music, our dress, of course our land, and call it as if their own.

The first step towards deligitimization of P-stan is reclaiming the stolen stuff.
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Shiv ji, SShridar ji:

It appears that there are some in India too wanted the name change? atleast the author of Foreign influences on ancient India ( By Krishna Chandra Sagar) feels that it is anachronism.
http://books.google.com/books?id=0UA4rk ... ia&f=false

Never heard about the author. But certainly it seems like he didn't think through the ramifications. His idea of renaming it to Bharat are very similar to the ones Paks dream about. Just because you lose a body part, you don't cease to exist or that you transform to another being? There is nothing wrong with Bharat, I am quite happy with that name. But why should India which is known over thousands of years (yes India wasn't called India few hundred years back but foreigners did recognize this land as thus because of the Indus valley inheritors that is us)suddenly cease to be so because it lost a part? to argue on those lines, say Pak now changes its name to India because of Indus, but tomorrow if Indus dries up, will they cease to exist as India then because Indus is no more?
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U.S. bounty on Saeed vindicates Pakistan's stand, says Islamabad
The United States' decision to offer a $10-million bounty on Lashkar-e-Taiba leader Hafiz Muhammad Saeed has led Pakistan to claim vindication of its long-standing position that there was insufficient evidence for it to prosecute the alleged 26/11 perpetrator.

“Look,” State Department spokesperson Mark Toner told journalists on Wednesday, “I think we're trying to, you know, get information that can be used to put this gentleman behind bars. There is information, there's intelligence that, you know, is not necessarily usable in a court of law.”

Pakistan Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said Mr. Toner's remarks made “clear that even the U.S. does not possess concrete evidence against Saeed.” Pakistan had taken a “principled and legal position.” “We should be mindful of each others' limitations,” Mr. Basit continued, “and understand that all such issues have to be addressed through a legal procedure.”

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Earlier, the former National Security Adviser, M.K. Narayanan, said India had provided Pakistan with “Grade 1 evidence” in a series of dossiers. India had also provided Pakistan with recordings of several of Saeed's public speeches, arguing they violated Pakistan's own hate-speech laws.
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