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Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 25 Dec 2013 12:40
by Christopher Sidor
Since it is held domestically the debt can be restructured according to Japanese wishes like PRC or India often do with their banking NPA's. Or the JCB can further increase its monetary base. This will lead to inflation and wipe out many of the retirees.

The advantage of domestic held debt is that one is not beholden to outsiders. The PIIGS had to undergo economic chemotherapy on the whims of outsiders. Offcourse the absence of a fiscal/transfer union added to PIIGS woes.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 25 Dec 2013 13:45
by Austin
Russian banks to suffer moderately if US winds up QE 2014
MOSCOW, December 24 (Itar-Tass) - Russian banks will suffer moderately, if the US regulator toughens its monetary policy next year, says the Central Bank of Russia’s (CBR) Financial Stability Review. Amid uneven global economic growth some developed countries, primarily the US, may start to unwind quantitative easing (QE) earlier than the others.

“The first consequence of QE tapering by the U.S. Fed will be growth of long-term interest rates, since the regulator targets short-term rates separately. The yield curve’s upward turnaround for long-term rates may have a negative effect on debt market environment. Sovereign debt markets of the countries with overly high state debt may prove the most sensitive to an increase of long-term rates. Troubled Eurozone countries may suffer most,” the CBR believes.

Meanwhile, Russia’s position in terms of sovereign and private debt risks looks quite steady. Russia is among the countries with the lowest state debt relative to GDP. As of October 1, 2013, Russian state internal debt accounted for 7.7 percent of the GDP, which is several times less than that of the other BRICS countries. Internal corporate debt (non-financial organizations’ loans in Russian banks and issued bonds) made up 36.5 percent of the GDP, whereas the total external debt amounted to 35.2 percent of the GDP, where private sector (banks and other sectors) makes up 31.3 percent of GDP.

“The effect of rate increase on the Russian banking sector’s net profit in foreign assets and liabilities may be limited because of low gapping. Interest risk’s impact on the non-financial sector is also moderate,” the Central Bank believes.

To estimate potential risks for Russian banks ensuing from financial market volatility following QE wind-up, the CBR has evaluated their securities portfolio. As of September 1, 2013, investments in bonds in shares accounted for 11 percent and 1 percent respectively. Revaluation of securities portfolio may have a substantial effect on certain banks and the banking sector as a whole. Stress scenario suggests an increase in yields on Russian sovereign bonds by 200 points, for other bonds - by 350 points, while stock prices are expected to dip 25 percent. The analysis has found out most of the banking system is resistant against negative scenarios in the stock market in terms of capital adequacy: capital adequacy ratio Н1 after stress is estimated at 12.1 percent (real figure as of October 1 was 13.4 percent).

Besides, adverse effect of tougher FRS policy may show in swap market, where transactions are prone to currency and interest risks. Interest rate swaps in one currency (more than half of the market) and cross-currency interest rate swap (about a third) prevailed in Russian interest rate swap market in the second and third quarters of 2013, with the rouble and dollar being the key currencies occupying over 90 percent of transactions, mostly medium-term. According to the CBR, if interest rates grow by 200 basis points, while the rouble depreciates 30 percent, Russian banks’ losses on the interest rate swap will not exceed 10 billion roubles (about $303 million). However, in the future, given dynamic development of the interest rate swap market, risks may escalate for certain market players.

The CBR report points out “a considerable share of non-residents in the market - in more than 95 percent of transactions, one of counterparties was a foreign company or a subsidiary of a foreign bank holding registered in Russia. Most transactions on the market are intragroup.”

The mentioned estimates indicate Russian banks’ potential interest losses are moderate. The estimated decline of Н1 below 10 percent as a result of stress-test of certain banks’ interest risk, is rather connected not to the scale of negative revaluation of loan portfolios but low capital adequacy before the stress, the regulator believes.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 25 Dec 2013 15:53
by Austin
Russian state internal debt accounted for 7.7 percent of the GDP, which is several times less than that of the other BRICS countries. Internal corporate debt (non-financial organizations’ loans in Russian banks and issued bonds) made up 36.5 percent of the GDP, whereas the total external debt amounted to 35.2 percent of the GDP, where private sector (banks and other sectors) makes up 31.3 percent of GDP.
Just trying to figure out what those respective debts are

Internal Debt = Government Borrowing from Public for its own Budget Needs via bonds etc @ 7.7 %
Internal Corporate Debt = Companies Private or Public that borrows from Russian Bank could be NPA 36.5 %
Total External Debt= Private Entity Borrowing from Cheap Loans from US or Europe 31.3 % , The rest of External Loan which stands at ~ 4 % is by non private entity.

So the most dangerous of these debts are the External Debt by Private Sector ? Or even the Internal Corporate Debt is as bad as external Debt ?

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 26 Dec 2013 21:05
by TSJones

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 26 Dec 2013 21:15
by Austin

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 26 Dec 2013 21:17
by Austin
I wonder why these GDP table we see does not take debt of nation into account ....after all what good is a bloated GDP figure if debt based on borrowed money account of more than half of GDP.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 08:20
by chanakyaa
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101297375
The realization was as surprising as it was momentous. Toledo, long known as Glass City, needed glass, and it could no longer be manufactured here quickly enough.

So Toledo turned to China to make the 360 panels, 1,300 pounds each, needed for an extension to the Toledo Museum of Art. Some here resented the move after China supplanted the United States as the world's top glass producer. But in the process, city leaders began an improbable and remarkable relationship.
......
Chinese companies made $12.2 billion in direct investments in the United States during the first nine months of 2013. That is up from $7.1 billion in all of 2012, which was itself a record at the time, according to the Rhodium Group, a New York-based consulting company. Chinese investors have been buying commercial and residential real estate in Detroit, inexpensively because of the city's financial troubles, and have agreed to finance a $1.5 billion waterfront development in Oakland, Calif. Earlier this year, on a trade trip to China, Gov. Jerry Brown of California discussed Chinese investment in the state's troubled $91 billion bullet train project.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 09:34
by Neshant
Gov. Jerry Brown of California discussed Chinese investment in the state's troubled $91 billion bullet train project.
how in the world would they ever recover that investment.. 91 billion is an astronomical amount.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 09:36
by Neshant
Austin wrote:I wonder why these GDP table we see does not take debt of nation into account ....after all what good is a bloated GDP figure if debt based on borrowed money account of more than half of GDP.
In recent times, countries have been re-defining how they compute their GDP numbers to make it appear larger. A lot of useless data is packed in to inflate the GDP size.

That makes their debt as a ratio to GDP appear smaller.

A lot of GDP numbers are based on Enron style accounting.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 09:56
by Aditya_V
Austin wrote:
Russian state internal debt accounted for 7.7 percent of the GDP, which is several times less than that of the other BRICS countries. Internal corporate debt (non-financial organizations’ loans in Russian banks and issued bonds) made up 36.5 percent of the GDP, whereas the total external debt amounted to 35.2 percent of the GDP, where private sector (banks and other sectors) makes up 31.3 percent of GDP.
Just trying to figure out what those respective debts are

Internal Debt = Government Borrowing from Public for its own Budget Needs via bonds etc @ 7.7 %
Internal Corporate Debt = Companies Private or Public that borrows from Russian Bank could be NPA 36.5 %
Total External Debt= Private Entity Borrowing from Cheap Loans from US or Europe 31.3 % , The rest of External Loan which stands at ~ 4 % is by non private entity.

So the most dangerous of these debts are the External Debt by Private Sector ? Or even the Internal Corporate Debt is as bad as external Debt ?
Most Dangerous Debt would be External Debt by Govt, followedby external debt by corporate sector and short term debt is more dangerous.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 10:10
by Christopher Sidor
The most dangerous debt is External short term debt(sovereign and non-sovereign) followed by non-sovereign external debt and then finally Sovereign External Debt.

In case of India the GoI External Debt is not too high. But the combination of GoI debt along with the Current Account Deficit is what is killing it. Basically the GoI is living way beyond its means and trying to make up for the shortfall of its revenue by hot money flow.

Gold is not the cause of Current Account Deficit, rather it is the policy of GoI to debase its currency at the drop of the hat which is the root cause of this. A time will come 30 years down the line when our economy is the biggest in the world then our currency will start to rise and we will have a deflation, the likes of which US went through in the Great Depression. Before the start of the Depression a British Sterling was worth 4 Dollars. After the Depression started the British Sterling was worth 3 dollars. It does not have to be that way, but the GoI is walking down the same path. History is meant to be repeated for those who do not learn from it. We have obviously not learnt it.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 10:15
by Austin
Thanks Neshant , Aditya.

Russian Total External Debt according to Central Bank Figure as of September 2013 is around ~ $719 Billion , General Govt Debt accounts ~ $63 billion

http://www.cbr.ru/eng/statistics/print. ... =itm_44271

Key Economic Indicators in 2013
http://www.cbr.ru/eng/statistics/print. ... ub&sid=oep

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 10:19
by Austin
Christopher Sidor wrote:The most dangerous debt is External short term debt(sovereign and non-sovereign) followed by non-sovereign external debt and then finally Sovereign External Debt.
If I am not wrong our Short Term Debt is around $200 billion but this is from memory

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 12:21
by Neshant
Christopher Sidor wrote:Since it is held domestically the debt can be restructured according to Japanese wishes like PRC or India often do with their banking NPA's. Or the JCB can further increase its monetary base. This will lead to inflation and wipe out many of the retirees.
If they could do this without consequence, they would have done it already over the past 20+ years of their recession.

Japan's time is almost up. Its debt is astronomical and its export competitiveness is going down with South Korea undercutting it on the high end and China on the low end. Its overseas buyers are in financial trouble being neck deep in debt.

If they could not get their economy moving during the global boom times, how will they pull it off during the upcoming dark ages.

Beware, two triple O is near.

Indian companies should prepare a wad of cash to buy up parts of Japan Inc. if indeed they do crash.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 13:08
by Austin

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 13:38
by Christopher Sidor
Well there are varying definitions of short term debt. But generally debt around 6 months is considered short term. I say anything less than 24 months should be considered as short time.
A general rule of thumb 10 years, i.e. 120 months, should be considered as long term.

The problem is that between these two, i.e. short term and long term, the duration is simply massive. Also the real issues happens not with the duration but when is the debt being refinanced or restructured or rolled over. If debt is being refinanced or restructured or rolled over around say the year 2008 then no matter what duration it is, there will be problems. But if say debt is being refinanced or restructured or rolled over in the year 2005-6 then it is relatively easier. Or in the same instance if one has short-term, medium-term and long-term debt coming due which have to be refinanced or restructured or rolled over then it is a serious issue.

So the statement on duration or shall I say maturity of the debt holds true with certain caveats. It is not the sole factor. Rather it is a combination of factors.

Recall what the doctors says to you when you go with the flu to him. He says it is not the fever alone which is the cause of alarm. Rather it is what is accompanying the fever which decides the severity. So if one only has fever or Fever with runny nose or fever with watery eyes then it is nothing to worry about. But if it is fever with vomiting or fever with loss of consciousness/dizziness or fever with low heart beat or high heart beat or high BP or low BP which causes all the red flags to go up.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 27 Dec 2013 20:28
by TSJones
9 different investment strategies from investor's business daily. It's a long article but if you have the time there are some views concerning Japan that you might find interesting.

http://news.investors.com/122613-684241 ... rc=aurlled

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 28 Dec 2013 13:10
by Austin

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 28 Dec 2013 14:34
by Neshant

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 28 Dec 2013 17:04
by Neshant

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 29 Dec 2013 12:25
by svinayak
http://www.thebubblebubble.com/china-bubble/
China’s Boom Began With Successful Reforms
After suffering for three decades under Mao Zedong’s disastrous economic policies, China embarked on the path of gradual free market reform in 1978, led by Deng Xiaoping. Capitalist “baby steps” such as farm privatization, legalization of free enterprise and opening up to foreign investment helped China’s economy grow heartily in the 1980s, emboldening the country in its pursuit of further economic liberalization. The early 1990s saw the start of banking reforms and the early development of capital markets, including the opening of the Shanghai and Shenzhen Stock Exchanges. China’s growing desire to be communist in name only led to large-scale privatization of state-owned enterprises (SOEs) beginning in the late 1990s, with the number of SOEs decreasing an astounding 48% between 2001 and 2004 [1]. After reducing tariffs, trade barriers, regulations and radically scaling-back the Mao-era welfare system [2], China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.

Having a vast army of highly industrious workers and low wages helped China to become the world’s preeminent manufacturing powerhouse, while pursuing an export-led growth strategy similar to its Asian neighbors. China rapidly urbanized as several hundred million people moved from impoverished farm villages to scores of newly-built cities in pursuit of factory and construction work and better living standards. The strategy of economic liberalization, modernization and infrastructure development has paid off handsomely with an unprecedented yearly GDP growth rate of 9.5% from 1978 to 2010, helping to lift hundreds of millions of Chinese out of poverty. Though China had already been growing at a high rate for over two decades, it was only in the mid-2000s that it entered the ranks of the world’s largest economies and started generating attention as a potential consumer market, investment destination and emerging superpower. China’s economy leapfrogged past the UK in 2005, Germany in 2009 and Japan in 2010 to become the world’s second largest economy, behind only the U.S.

How China’s Bubble Economy Began
After three decades of breakneck economic growth, China’s economy began overheating in 2007 and signs of speculation and over-exuberance started to appear, such as a brief stock bubble that year and a housing bubble in 2008. The 2008 global financial crisis caused China’s exports to plunge, forcing China’s leaders to abruptly refocus their worries from overheating to a potential domestic economic crisis and its very realistic threat to social stability. In November 2008, China launched a massive $586 billion economic stimulus program that was primarily invested in public infrastructure projects, housing, rural development and the rebuilding of areas hit by the 2008 Sichuan earthquake. China’s stimulus plan was successful at staving off a recession and social crisis – so successful that inflation, overheating and overbuilding quickly became a concern again as the newly printed stimulus money sloshed around the economy, creating very alarming distortions and speculative activity.

Economic stimulus, in the form of literally freshly-created money, is the quickest (and dirtiest!) way to create immediate economic growth. A stimulus program’s funds are typically used to create large scale construction projects that put unemployed people back to work, generate demand for raw materials and act as a conduit for new money to enter into and reinvigorate the overall economy. The problem with stimulus programs is that the creation of new money causes existing money to be devalued, leading to inflation and, in essence, stealthily taxing savers and wage earners to fund the stimulus program. The other problem with stimulus programs is that they very often led to the undertaking of extraordinarily wasteful projects that would never been attempted if natural market forces were in control. Capital that is wasted or destroyed in stimulus-fueled investment booms is called “malinvestment.” While stimulus programs do create some form of immediate economic growth, it is largely artificial and temporary as larger and larger injections of newly printed money are required for the growth to be sustained.

China’s Bubble Economy is Fueled By a Credit Bubble
China’s growth in the past decade has been overwhelmingly fueled by fixed asset investment (such as infrastructure development), which has further exploded since the launch of the 2008 stimulus program, accounting for more than 90% of economic growth in 2009. Over 100 extremely ambitious infrastructure mega-projects are currently being undertaken. Chinese cement consumption and construction spending has soared to truly bubble-like proportions as scores of extravagant and massive government buildings are being built in outer China, roads are dug up and rebuilt just to generate economic activity and cities binge on debt to build jaw-dropping infrastructure projects at all costs. China’s mad rush to build infrastructure projects has led to cut corners and shoddy workmanship, such as on the world’s longest sea bridge that was closed one week after opening due to safety problems, the much-publicized high-speed train’s disastrous crash and electrical problems and a new highway that collapsed after a test run.

A particularly strange and somewhat eery phenomenon has arose as a result of China’s building purely for the sake of creating economic growth – completely uninhabited “ghost cities,” such as Ordos in Inner Mongolia and many other empty full-size cities filled with apartment buildings and skyscrapers that can be seen in great detail via satellite imagery. Even the world’s largest mall, the New South China Mall, has been (link has an excellent video) 99% vacant since it opening in 2005 – malinvestment at its finest. There are now 70 billion sq. feet worth of buildings of all types under construction and enough new office space to give every person in China a 5′x5′ cubicle. Then there is another class of projects that can only be ascribed to “bubble drunk” decision making, such as the new government pharmaceutical plant that looks just like a palace, the wildly expensive stadium being built in the middle of nowhere and the railway bridge that was built by a chef. The latest bizarre Chinese construction fad is the replication of entire Western towns, such as Hallstatt, Austria, Greenwich, Connecticut and an English village. A Chinese billionaire’s plans to buy seventy-five thousand acres of Iceland to build an eco-resort is reminiscent of the late 1980s Japanese bubble, in which Japanese interests purchased Pebble Beach, Rockefeller Center and Columbia Pictures, while Nomura Securities proposed Japanese-American “joint ownership” of California. Most worrisome is the fact that five of the world’s ten largest buildings are now under construction in China, as skyscraper construction is a historically reliable indicator of economic bubbles, having marked the tops of the Roaring Twenties bubble in 1929 and the Asian Tigers bubble in 1997.

Economic bubbles and reckless credit booms go hand in hand and the China Bubble is no exception in this regard. A chart of Hong Kong banks’ exposure to Mainland Chinese debt displays the truly parabolic nature of China’s credit bubble that started in 2009. China’s local governments have financed their ridiculously extravagant construction projects via a $1.7 trillion “subprime” credit bubble, of which $540 billion is likely bad debt, according to Moody’s. Fitch has also warned about Chinese local government debt saying, “credit risk has risen from an over-extension of loans to local governments and property.” As the IMF sounded an alarm over the Chinese banking system’s vulnerability to heavy losses, an influential Chinese finance professor said that the Chinese banking system was “on the brink of bankruptcy” and that “every province in China is Greece.” To make matters worse, Société Générale has warned that China’s massive and largely unregulated shadow banking system may need to be rescued, no small feat considering how pervasive this type of banking is in China. In the city of Wenzhou, an incredible 90% of families are involved in the underground banking business, which includes loan sharking and pawnshops.

China Has a Massive Housing Bubble
China’s blazingly fast economic growth coupled with an expanding credit bubble and fresh sloshing stimulus money created the perfect conditions for inflation, which has manifested in the form of soaring rents, food prices and wages. High inflation, negative real interest rates and limited investment options encouraged many Chinese to buy real estate to protect their savings from the ravages of inflation, helping to reinflate the housing bubble that first reared its ugly head in 2008. Housing prices soared 140% higher nationwide from 2007 to 2011 with Beijing housing up 800% since 2003. Clearly having learned nothing from the disastrous US housing bubble, real estate speculators or “flippers” have taken China by storm, buying “real estate as if they were buying vegetables,” such as the housewife who bought 10 properties within 30 minutes and the college student who flipped an astounding 680 flats.

China Property Price Index:



China's Housing Bubble
Chart Source: GlobalPropertyGuide.com

While the IMF warns that China is “vulnerable to asset bubbles,” local governments encourage real estate speculation due to their reliance on land sales taxes to pay their mounting debts. Wild speculation has sent Chinese housing prices to unaffordably high levels, hitting a globally unprecedented 27:1 price to income ratio in Beijing. China’s overly-inflated housing prices have brought about strong social costs, as young men find themselves unable to get married without owning an apartment for example. A young architect even resorted to building and living in a small egg-shaped pod to escape the high cost of housing. High prices have sparked a building boom, with housing construction rising 41% in 2010 alone, helping to create an estimated supply of a 64 million empty apartments. Most alarming is the fact that China’s residential property investment as a share of its economy has reached the same level that the US housing bubble did at before its crash, while approaching levels hit during the epic Japanese housing bubble that resulted in a 20 year (and counting) bear market. Chinese investors’ rampant speculative fervor has even resulted in property bubbles outside of China, with Chinese real estate flippers driving Vancouver, Canada property prices far higher than locals can afford, while wealthy Chinese snap up luxury apartments in Manhattan.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 29 Dec 2013 12:49
by Singha
Full marks to china on another front. Beidou sats are now 16 strong and cover Asia. Tsp and Thailand have signed up.
plans are afoot to make it 30 for global coverage in 2020.

another hallmark of a great power...freedom from glonass , gps and the rump Galileo whatever is left of that dream.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 29 Dec 2013 14:19
by Neshant
well at least the br0tha is happy with his economic circumstance

the grand tour of his mansion :


Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 29 Dec 2013 18:13
by TSJones
^^^^These guys have turned to drugs and alcohol. So what's the point?

I did like the gold painted shopping cart, though. That's a sweet ride. :rotfl:

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 30 Dec 2013 05:35
by sanjaykumar
How China’s Bubble Economy Began
After three decades of breakneck economic growth, China’s economy began overheating in 2007 and signs of speculation and over-exuberance started to appear, such as a brief stock bubble that year and a housing bubble in 2008.



I read a piece on the Chinese stock market in early 2008 and closed all my stock investments within the week.

I made 42% in the stock market that year. By not being in it.

All because I figured out the Chinese economy is a scam. :rotfl:

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 08:34
by chanakyaa
The International Patent System

The Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) assists applicants in seeking patent protection internationally for their inventions, helps patent Offices with their patent granting decisions, and facilitates public access to a wealth of technical information relating to those inventions. By filing one international patent application under the PCT, applicants can simultaneously seek protection for an invention in 148 countries throughout the world.

http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/ip ... s_2013.pdf

Top 10 Countries by Patent Filing

1 USA 51,207
2 Japan 43,660
3 Germany 18,855
4 China 18,627
5 Rep. of Korea 11,848
6 France 7,739
7 United Kingdom 4,895
8 Switzerland 4,194
9 Netherlands 3,992
10 Sweden 3,585

India's Patent Applications in 2012 (Contrast Resident/Non-Resident Difference)
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China's Patent Applications in 2012
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 13:50
by Suraj
Austin wrote:link
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Not very accurate, as subsequent news shows:
China's $3 trillion local government debt stirs alarm
The National Audit Office, China's state auditor, said in a report local governments had total outstanding debt of 17.9 trillion yuan at the end of June, a sum that includes contingent liabilities and debt guarantees.

The debt load is in the middle of market forecasts and leaves China with total government debt of around 58% of gross domestic product.

Analysts said this suggested China is not on a verge of a fiscal crisis - the figure is less than half the debt burdens in Japan and Greece where public finances are strained - but warned the world's second-biggest economy needed to urgently reduce debt if it wanted to safeguard growth and financial stability.

This is especially because the long-awaited report showed some governments were using new loans to repay more than a fifth of their debt, and that authorities still relied heavily on selling land to pay off old loans.
Considering this is China, it's likely that the problem is understated publicly, and that reality is worse than reported.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 16:06
by Austin
China figures was always in doubt but considering they are open about their internal debt means they are not too worried about it.

As percentage of GDP it is still low compared to many Western Countries.

Saw in the BBC report its about 58 % of their GDP and most of the debt have surged in past 2 years so all these are NPA or government social security programs

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 16:28
by Austin
Key Take Away for Russian Economy in 2013 , the worst performing year since 2008 recession

GDP Growth = 1.4 %
Debt to GDP Ratio = 10.5 %
State Reserves = $700 billion
Budget Surplus = $19 Billion
labor productivity growth = 1.5 %

Russian economic growth slowdown tendency persists

At the same time labor productivity grows by 1,5% in 2013
MOSCOW, December 27. /ITAR-TASS/. The economic growth slowdown tendency has persisted in Russia in 2013. According to the updated forecast of the country’s Ministry of Economic Development, the GDP growth will make 1.4 percent at the end of the outgoing year of 2013, the Russian government press service said in the materials, which summarize the working results of the country’s Cabinet in the outgoing year.

The GDP growth has slowed down from 1.6 percent in the first quarter of 2013 to 1.2 percent in the third quarter of the year. The debt-to-GDP ratio has made 10.5 percent, the materials noted. The state reserves have amounted to about 700 billion dollars.

For three quarters of the outgoing year the budget revenues have exceeded 9.6 trillion rubles (about $293.8 billion), the budget expenditures have made about nine trillion rubles (about $275.4 billion), the budget surplus - about 650 billion rubles (about $19.8 billion).

According to the estimates of the World Bank, Russia entered the top ten countries “with highest progress in providing favorable conditions for business,” the government said. According to the World Bank Doing Business ranking, Russia went up 20 positions in terms of conditions for running a business.

Meanwhile, the investment in the fixed assets went down 1.2 percent in January-September 2013 against the same period of the previous year.

For the past 10 months the Russian industrial production has posted the annual zero growth (in January-October 2012 the growth has made 2.8 percent). The industrial output has increased by 5.3 percent for the past 10 months (against a 4.6% decline for the same period in 2012). The labor productivity growth has made 1.5 percent in 2013.

The production of the natural resources has posted a quite low, but stable growth of 1.2 percent for the past 10 months, the document noted.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 17:36
by TSJones
China wants international respect financially, but they are not transparent. Thus we constantly get these conflicting reports about how well they are doing. I know the Chinese stock market is not doing that great. That tells me the Chinese elites are worried about their future prospects. I guess that is as much transparency that we will get out China. Their problem is, that they feel that the power and prestige of the Chinese nation must be protected, so the international financial community has to deal with the lies.....until it eventually comes out.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 20:21
by member_26147
China, I think is now realizing that the only way to pay down debt that is plaguing every country is to default or debase the currency. China thus is taking on debt internally to get as much infrastructure development done as possible before this happens.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 20:50
by Suraj
Austin wrote:China figures was always in doubt but considering they are open about their internal debt means they are not too worried about it.
This is an assertion I do not agree with. They're open about what they choose to show, but are also very creative in their accounting to show a clean set of official books while NPAs and bad debts are off book. That doesn't necessarily imply they're worried, but that they want to provide enough just data to tell others not to.

When someone steps up and says 'whoops yes, we do have $3 trillion of local debt' and suddenly the debt/GDP estimate more than doubles from the chart, they are not demonstrating honesty. They're demonstrating how much they're willing to share. Honesty would be a constant series of data provided, that provides a consistent and reliable basis to track their debt/GDP (amongst other) figures in a fairly unambiguous manner over time. That has not been the case.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 21:22
by Austin
Thats because they did their internal debt review recently and suddenly this $3 Trillion figure came up truth or other wise.

May be they dont stick to some kind of International Standard of Auditing for their Governance or were just too laid back till shit hit the roof that made them count their debt ......or may be just the new leadership wants more transparency then the previous one.

In any case this new disclosure would only do them good and give them credibility atleast admitting ones problem is the start of something good ..... but knowing how debt problem in West has been handled you dont expect easy answers and there could be none , other then learn from others mistakes so be wise and live within your means

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 21:54
by chola
Suraj wrote:
Austin wrote:China figures was always in doubt but considering they are open about their internal debt means they are not too worried about it.
This is an assertion I do not agree with. They're open about what they choose to show, but are also very creative in their accounting to show a clean set of official books while NPAs and bad debts are off book. That doesn't necessarily imply they're worried, but that they want to provide enough just data to tell others not to.

When someone steps up and says 'whoops yes, we do have $3 trillion of local debt' and suddenly the debt/GDP estimate more than doubles from the chart, they are not demonstrating honesty. They're demonstrating how much they're willing to share. Honesty would be a constant series of data provided, that provides a consistent and reliable basis to track their debt/GDP (amongst other) figures in a fairly unambiguous manner over time. That has not been the case.

They have the same problem or non-problem as Japan. Their debt is all internal. It could be extended indefinitely or simply, especially in the case of a communist nation with no accountability to its clients, made to disappear and have all the investors simply eat their loses.

They went through an even worse financial "crisis" in the 1980s when every one of their big four banks were insolvent. They placed all their bad debt into a holding cell and voila the problem disappeared and they went on to a two-decade long economic boom.

Never discount the ability of a callous government to solve financial and entitlement problems especially if the ones holding the bag are its own people. Someone once said that the US could solve its Medicare problem by letting all its patients with pre-existing conditions die since something like 60% of costs comes from 5% of the insured. But the US will never do that and so Medicare will grow until it eats up the entire federal budget. China? Those people are dead. The problem goes away.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 31 Dec 2013 22:06
by Suraj
Japan is a very different case. The problem I mentioned is not the debt itself, but the transparency of the procedure. Lack of transparency places a question upon the reliability of current data as well as the potential for the existence of more debt, or prior debt overhang, that they simply chose not to disclose. Two sets of data being off by more than 2x - a number adding to multiple trillions of dollars, is not a simple oversight.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 01 Jan 2014 02:08
by member_26147
I'm not sure China is alone in fudging numbers though. US GDP calculation methodology has been 'revised' time and again to keep it debt-to-GDP ratio down. UK's government debt befuddles its own citizens and can only be guessed!

HOT POTATO! :rotfl:

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 01 Jan 2014 07:51
by Austin
China being what it is in a envious position. If they dont do any thing about disclosing their financial position pundits would say its expected of them to be non-transparent as its communist political system and command economy means they wont be transparent about their financial data.

If China makes an attempt to be transparent or lets says "partially transparent" then pundits would state there must be something fishy about it , those data are forged and they must be hiding far bigger problem them they are trying to show in the name of transparency.

So its dammed either ways .....so its best left to them to deal with how they want to move ahead at the pace they feel comfortable with because what ever they do they would still be questioned both about its motives and intentions.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 01 Jan 2014 15:27
by TSJones
.....expert says avoid gold, the last correction took 20 years...

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout ... 48974.html

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 01 Jan 2014 15:29
by TSJones
....china's debt stirs alarm.....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-say ... 08772.html
Under China's laws, local governments are barred from borrowing directly from banks or investors to protect the country's fiscal health.

Yet despite not being able to borrow, local authorities are responsible for most of China's public spending but take only half of fiscal income. Local governments in 2010 received 48 percent of total fiscal income but were responsible for 80 percent of public spending.

The funding shortfall has forced local authorities to set up firms over the years to borrow on their behalf, leading to a rapid rise in government debt outside official balance sheets.
"We expect the government to unveil detailed plans for fiscal reform," said Shen Jianguang, an economist with Mizuho Securities in Hong Kong.

Re: Perspectives on the global economic changes

Posted: 01 Jan 2014 16:58
by Austin
TSJones wrote:.....expert says avoid gold, the last correction took 20 years...

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout ... 48974.html
I am not sure what to make out of the news , it says Gold grew 700 % since 9/11 like say in 13 years and have fallen 40 % ..thats really a small percentage in fall compared to what it had gained. Cant get a better investment then gold if it grew 700 % 8)