Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 29 Apr 2015 03:06

How long before Pakis try to blackmail/double deal with the Chinese? They will fall back on their old (and successful) tactics once the Chinese refuse to write-off the loans as aid.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Apr 2015 03:17

Vipul wrote:How long before Pakis try to blackmail/double deal with the Chinese? They will fall back on their old (and successful) tactics once the Chinese refuse to write-off the loans as aid.

I am predicting that the Chinese will be in the driver's seat in this relationship.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Apr 2015 03:55

Falijee wrote:Defying royal request: China helped Pakistan ‘weather the storm’ over Yemen

But what really helped Pakistan ‘weather the storm’ was a Chinese assurance of economic investment and assistance to the tune no Arab country —let alone Saudi Arabia—could match, said one official.

Comment: So the rumours of PRC pressure were true!!!!

I don't know about rumours. But, it was predicted here.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Apr 2015 04:01

Najam sethi ka dimaag kharab hai, if he thinks that people are bewakoof enough to believe that nonsense that he is spouting.

Utter bullcrap !!!

member_23365 · Post by **member_23365** » 29 Apr 2015 05:11

I think both parties know each other very well....but seems like Chinese have squeezed paki balls little harder.
There is production glut of steel and cement in panda land and they need to create demand for that. Chinese are looking for market all over the globe and pakistan provided right oppurtunity.
Dont know how will pakistan behave. If Kabila elite get their share than bussiness will be as usual and mango abdul will pay the cost. But if down the line Xianjiang got hot you know what happened.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 06:34

On Pakistan, Terrorism, Insurgencies and Treason

Author: Lt Gen Prakash Katoch

What India fails to appreciate is that it is not only the loss of East Pakistan that the Pakistani Military is smarting under. The fact is that such has been the legacy of Zia ul Haq, Ayub and Musharraf that they have not won a single war, have had Osama bin Laden snatched from under their protective cover (remember late Benazir Bhutto’s remark that Osama is in the backyard of Musharraf) and are now tasting their own medicine for spawning and supporting terrorist organisations. But such is the lure for power and money that Gilgit-Baltistan has been gifted to China (50 years or more?) and Balochistan is to follow suit – talk of national pride and sovereignty!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Apr 2015 06:48

Over the last 6-8 months I have started getting the feeling that Pakistan has begun heading in a slightly different direction. Not that this is good news for India, but it is heading in the direction that its financial sponsors and aid-givers, primarily the US and China want it to head

Perhaps the Taliban over reached when they attacked that school, but the Pakis have actually come down hard on the Taliban. The US and China have rewarded Pakistan with attack helicopters, fighter aircraft, target designation pods and LGBs. The Pakis must be doing something that both sponsors want.

The more recent news about the desire to control Karachi is an interesting one. One of the things that used to make me happy about Pakistan was the utter lack of foresight and lack of desire to bring Karachi under control. To me that was a cheerful reminder of Pakistan's dysfunctionality - a disease that I loved watching with beer and popcorn. It will not be easy to control Karachi - but the desire to do that and acknowledgement that there is a problem is like a maniac suddenly getting insights into his own misbehaviour. Bad news for us, but let us wait and see.

There have been numerous terrorist attacks tin J&K and a few attempts to stir up trouble from the sea. But there is a perceptible drop in incidents within most of India and that cannot be due to Pakistani altruism. Partly, it is our intel and security agencies. But we must keep in mind the possibility that there are more convoluted and deeper reasons for the drop in Paki terrorist attacks within India.

The possibilities are
1. Pakis are asking terror groups to lie low because the US and China have hinged aid on that condition.
2. Pakis have moved so many troops out of the Eastern border that their ability to withstand an Indian response has been compromised and they will have to live up to their promise of using nukes.

There is a third possibility. It appears that violent incidents in Pakistan have also reduced. Have Paki terrorists suddenly gone Gandhian? Or is it possible that India has once again developed the capability to make Pakistan feel pain if they conduct terrorist attacks on Indian soil?

All in all Pakistan is heading towards "stability". In the meantime the main news we read from Pakistan is "power projects". By 2019-20 I predict that Pakistan's power problems will have been somewhat mitigated. I also predict that Pakistan will do a copy of Modi sarkar and demand "make in Pakistan" under the justification that Pakistan is better for business and profits.

However, other problems will continue with no short term solution. Rampant population growth, polio. illiteracy, radicalization, continued suppression of people in Pakthunkhwa and Baluchistan. Neither China nor the US really give a damn about those people and "core Pakistaan" has always been that way. But nations can limp along quite well if the government is supported and an eeconomy of some sort is kept alive. Violence, poverty, low literacy, high infant mortality, diseases, starvation, lack of rights, lack of water etc are only tools used by some countries to bash other countries. None of those things need to be changed much as long as there is a functioning national economy and government and a controlling armed force.

But as long as Pakistan takes its place among other Sooth Asian nations like Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Bhutan - it is welcome to be as poor and dysfunctional as it wants - but Pakistan must remain under permanent threat from India. If India develops the brains to set up a think tank that can study and understand Pakistan, Indians will realize that Pakistan will remain anti-India for the foreseeable future - that is until my own children are nearing the end of their lives many decades from now. Peace cannot come easily and India must be prepared to impose punitive war on Pakistan and Pakistanis need to live with this threat.

Avarachan · Post by **Avarachan** » 29 Apr 2015 06:49

I like the fact that China is tightening its grip over Pakistan. To be frank, India can handle the military threat from China. The Chinese military is over - hyped by American analysts who want a larger military budget. If Pakistan implodes due to a massive jihadist civil war, on the other hand, that could have serious consequences for the internal security of India (migrant flows across the border, Indian nationals getting involved, etc.).

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 07:06

‘Murder in Karachi’: An Exchange
Bernard-Henri Levy, reply by William Dalrymple
Feb

Another example: Dalrymple makes the reproach that I “repeat as fact,” without citing my sources, “gossip” according to which Osama bin Laden had received “medical treatment” in a military hospital in Peshawar. Beyond the fact that I did indeed note the information was “gossip,” I also cited two sources (Jane’s Intelligence Digest, September 20, 2001; CBS News, January 28, 2002, on page 305 again).

In another example, he presents as coming entirely from my imagination the “claim” that Omar Sheikh contributed to financing the September 11 attacks. Here again, the question is raised as to whether Mr. Dalrymple has read my book or has knowingly misrepresented it: the long chapter that I devote to this question, entitled “Jihad Money,” is based on a lengthy series of sources (CNN, October 6 and 8, 2001; The Hindu, October 13; Associated Press, February 10) all cited with particular care (page 321

Comment : Topic not current but Who Killed Daniel Pearl by Bernard Levy gives very good insights on the workings of the Deep State in Pakistan !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 07:13

A visit to intermediate exam centre for madressah students

In the corridors turned into examination halls and the classrooms, too, there were only a handful of ‘boys’. The rest were all grown men, many among them wearing prayer caps as they filled their answer sheets, or at least they tried to. “We even have to help these men write their roll numbers on their answer sheets. They don’t even know that. And they are appearing for their English paper but don’t know a word of English,” the professor sadly said.

Comment : "Education" in the Land of the Pure

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 07:24

Sharif reiterates resolve to help implement UNSC resolution on Yemen

“..... I’m saying once again that any aggression on Saudi Arabia will be dealt with strongly and effectively,” he said in a recent interview with Okaz/Saudi Gazette.

Comment: Badmash blows hot air ; will agression by Saudi Arabia will be dealt with"strongly and effectively " !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 07:28

Saudi-led alliance bombs Sanaa runway to stop Iran plane landing

Iran's state news agency IRNA said Saudi jets tried to force "an aid plane back after it entered Yemeni airspace," but the pilots had ignored these "illegal warnings".

Brigadier General Ahmed Asseri told Reuters the plane had not coordinated with coalition authorities and the pilot had ignored a warning to turn back. The bombing of the runway has made it unusable for planned aid flights, he said.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Apr 2015 07:36

Big spring cleaning in Saudia. Foreign minister and Crown prince is out. Will have to wait for more news to see what it really means.

Saudi Arabia's Rahul Gandhi, Mohammed bin Salman has been promoted to deputy crown prince. That joker is the "youngest defense minister of the world" (Shahid afridi of defence ministers) and is running the Yemen war.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 29 Apr 2015 07:59

This appears to be a) one lineage of royal family winning over another, b)the pro-us and pro-war faction gaining power. The US ambassador is the new foreign minister.

Appearances can be deceptive though, it might just be a way of getting him out of the def min job.

The contest with iran is getting serious. SA bombed sanaa runway to prevent iranian craft from landing. They turned back iranian ships. iran took over a tanker in hormuz on trespass pretense.

edit -- whos plane was destroyed on the tarmac in sanaa? Any others trapped?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 29 Apr 2015 08:36

Khaled Ahmed has dwelled on this in IE. But he thinks Army intervention in Karachi is a pointer to the trend of declining writ of the Pakistani state.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Apr 2015 11:26

Cheena's investment are conditioned on peace and security. Security will be provided by the newly ~~created~~ organized task force but will the internal situation within Bakistan become conducive for long-term investment anytime soon? Cheena will definitely put in some money but how much?

Should not matter to India who is in control within the territory that is today Bakistan. We should develop overt and covert capability to impose crippling cost for any misadventure from within Bakistan.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 29 Apr 2015 14:35

Mean-e-while..

TFTA EyeAssEye hard at work clearing targeted killing backlog.

Univ of Karachi professor shot dead

Seems like another Balochi sympathiser. ISI is ruthlessly silencing any sign of dissent.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Apr 2015 14:42

While we are busy in our own little world plans are afoot to bring Central Asian oil and gas down to India and move Iranin oil and gas up to China. Does that sound incongruous to you?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 16:15

Chinese investment neither loan nor grant: Nawaz Sharif

Comment : New lease agreement signed ; lease hold improvements to be done by China!

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 Apr 2015 16:24

NSF is a left-wing students organization. Prof Waheed was a senior member. NSF has been a long time irritant to TSPA which has tried many different means of marginalizing it. Bodies like NSF may also be a link between disenchanted sections of Pakistani youth, such as genocided balochis, disaffected sindhis, marginalized shias and so on. So all in all, a sure target for ISI target-killers.

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Apr 2015 18:47

Dennis Prager writes an article titled “Why Is Pakistan More Legitimate than Israel” in the National Review where he asks :

Why is Israel’s legitimacy challenged, while the legitimacy of Pakistan, a state that had never before existed and whose creation resulted in the largest mass migration in recorded history, is never challenged?

Read more at:

Why Is Pakistan More Legitimate than Israel?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Apr 2015 18:58

Guys, sorry if this has been posted (I went back about a page), but Badmash is complaining that ModiJi is not reciprocating TSP's "piss gestures" (probably in his mind, releasing Laksvi is a piss gesture)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 097190.cms

This is welcome news for many of ModiJi's supporters including me that he is not moving too quickly on piss process like his predecessors.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 29 Apr 2015 19:29

^^ (CRamS) ^^
I still find it strange and irritating that Indian newspapers carry foreign news-report unedited. While it may offer Indians how the world views the impasse, I'm not sure that all Indians make that distinction and may believe it be the "gospel". In other words India is the reason for the impasse.

To quote the Tamil sage Tiruvalluvar (rough translation), "it is not important who said what but it is more important to parse the truth in what is being said". And leaving it to the readers to parse the real truth (that India is not responsible) is a dangerous exercise. After all the west uses Press as yet another weapon of mass-confusion. Therefore Indian news entities have a responsibility to challenge such foreign news-reports to conform them to an Indian view of the world.

My 2c early in the morning.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Apr 2015 19:33

CRamS wrote:Guys, sorry if this has been posted (I went back about a page), but Badmash is complaining that ModiJi is not reciprocating TSP's "piss gestures" (probably in his mind, releasing Laksvi is a piss gesture)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 097190.cms

This is welcome news for many of ModiJi's supporters including me that he is not moving too quickly on piss process like his predecessors.

If you read Badmash's words, he says that India has shown no desire to have talks. He has either given up for now--other priorities--or is signaling that pakistan will have to do something to stimulate that desire.

For those of us in BRF and in the media who raised an almighty clamor(pleased or displeased as the case may be) that the Jaishankar trip meant that India backtracked on its stance about talks with Pakistan due to American pressure, I hope Badmash's statement will be taken as a lesson in properly interpreting what we read: start with the--admittedly finely parsed--official statements by India, and then look for corroborating or countervailing evidence. Broadly, assume that official statements reflect policy, as they are supposed to, unless there is very strong or overwhelming evidence that they don't, which may be due to deliberate lying (normally not done) or due to institutional chaos.

That way, we can function at a slightly more effective level than a fickle-minded rabble.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Apr 2015 19:54

krithivas wrote:^^ (CRamS) ^^
I still find it strange and irritating that Indian newspapers carry foreign news-report unedited. While it may offer Indians how the world views the impasse, I'm not sure that all Indians make that distinction and may believe it be the "gospel". In other words India is the reason for the impasse.

To quote the Tamil sage Tiruvalluvar (rough translation), "it is not important who said what but it is more important to parse the truth in what is being said". And leaving it to the readers to parse the real truth (that India is not responsible) is a dangerous exercise. After all the west uses Press as yet another weapon of mass-confusion. Therefore Indian news entities have a responsibility to challenge such foreign news-reports to conform them to an Indian view of the world.

My 2c early in the morning.

Not talking to pakistan is the correct and responsible policy. Calling it irresponsible is anti-India commentary. The drama that there is no alternative to talks with Pakistan is just noise to misdirect people, a tactic that has succeeded wildly with Indians because as a culture we are gullible and take things at their face value.

The takeaway from the report on the statement by Badmash is that Pakistan has realized that India is not interested in talking. That makes me happy.

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Apr 2015 19:59

Freedom Houses has released its “Freedom InThe World 2015” report which provides ratings for Freedom levels in different countries and sub-national territories.

As is normal with this report, turns out that Jammu & Kashmir enjoys greater freedom than the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Islamic Republic Pakistan Occupied J&K. Freedom House in its report provides separate freedom scores for J&K and Islamic Republic Pakistan Occupied J&K. The rest of India needless to add enjoys greater freedom with a rating of “Free” than the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which is rated “Partly Free”:

Freedom In The World 2015

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Apr 2015 20:10

CRamS wrote:Guys, sorry if this has been posted (I went back about a page), but Badmash is complaining that ModiJi is not reciprocating TSP's "piss gestures" (probably in his mind, releasing Laksvi is a piss gesture)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 097190.cms

This is welcome news for many of ModiJi's supporters including me that he is not moving too quickly on piss process like his predecessors.

The full text of the two question and answers from Saudi Gazettes interview of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s PM that deal with India, one of which forms the source of the TOI article, follows.:

Q: With regard to relations with India, how do you see the future scope and where the process of dialogue with New Delhi stands at this stage?

A: I firmly believed that peace, security and stability in the region is essential for socio-economic development in the country and the region.

We are making earnest efforts for friendly relations with all, particularly with our neighbors. I took an exceptional decision to attend the inaugural ceremony of Prime Minister Modi. I sincerely wanted to take the process of friendship with India forward from where it was interrupted during my last tenure. However, our desire for good neighborly relations with India has not been reciprocated. India unilaterally called-off our bilateral dialogue process on a frivolous pretext. The Indian Foreign Secretary visited Pakistan recently as part of his tour of South Asian countries. However, there is no sign of India desiring resumption of dialogue with us. We are ready to engage with India in a constructive dialogue for negotiated settlement of all issues, including the issue of Jammu and Kashmir.

Q: Kashmir issue is the main cause of escalating the tension between the two countries. How could this issue be solved?

A: Yes, of course, Jammu and Kashmir is the core issue between Pakistan and India. Our policy is based on principles that this issue should be solved on the basis of relevant UN resolutions and aspirations of people of Kashmir. This is essential for the normalization of relations between India and Pakistan.

Link follows:

Pakistan to help implement UN resolution on Yemen: Sharif

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Apr 2015 20:31

Coukd the recent push back by Pakis to Saudis have less to do with China but Pakistan is invested with anther part of the Royal family other than Salman?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 20:57

Civil society protests Sabeen’s murder

“This is not 1971 so it is impossible to hide human rights violations. The civil society must be respected, otherwise our country will take a turn for the worse,” she said.

Comments: It will be "business as usual " after a few days of "protests"; as long as such articles are restricted only to the English press!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 29 Apr 2015 20:59

Apparently 23 people turned up

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Apr 2015 21:03

Anujan wrote:Apparently 23 people turned up

All of them? That's a good gathering.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Apr 2015 21:11

KLNMurthy wrote:
The takeaway from the report on the statement by Badmash is that Pakistan has realized that India is not interested in talking. That makes me happy.

I am with you too, but with the caveat that lets wait and watch. It bears no repetition that TSP's US-led 3.5 would like to stabilize TSP, and would like both India & TSP to be their munnas. So I am pretty sure moves are afoot behind the scenes to simultaneously work on both India & TSP to assuage each other's concerns. Meaning that TSP terror will be moderated with charm/pressure on India to make piss. We have been there, done that, and the result is the same. Hope ModiJi does not succumb to temporary lull in TSP's withholding of pigLeTs. There have go to be measurable bench marks. And wrt to US, clear evidence that there it has substantially moved away from equal equal.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 29 Apr 2015 21:14

shiv wrote:
Anujan wrote:Apparently 23 people turned up
All of them? That's a good gathering.

23 x 72 = 1656. The dJannat wait list is growing. Where will they brotest for delay in houri services? Okay got it - some of these may be the houris themselves. Problem - bang - no problem. At least that's the math they teach in the madrassa.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 21:19

Vipul wrote:How long before Pakis try to blackmail/double deal with the Chinese? They will fall back on their old (and successful) tactics once the Chinese refuse to write-off the loans as aid.

Vipul ji - Now that Badmash has declared Chinese Investment neither loan nor grant , it remains to be seen if Pakis fulfill their end of the bargain ( ie work ethic, provide security to Chini employees against Baloch attacks, keep pro Jihadis under control, surpress Pak, anti - Cheeni groups etc etc)

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 21:57

Is Pakistan pivoting away from Saudi Arabia?

By Bruce Reidel

The Pakistani parliament's unanimous decision to stay neutral in the Yemen war has been widely praised in the country. A distinguished professor of physics, Pervez Hoodbhoy, wrote an editorial this week titled "Let the Saudis Fume," praising the Sharif government for rejecting the "GCC diktat" and saying no to "an irritated septuagenarian monarch and his angry princes." The article assured Pakistanis that the Gulf Cooperation Council states can not expel Pakistani guest workers or their "petro-countries would grind to a halt."

Hoodbhoy also takes on directly the issue of Saudi-Pakistani potential nuclear collusion, usually a subject off-limits in the media. The nuclear physicist reminds Saudis there are "no other nuclear vendors in town," and that "Pakistan is the only country that can at short notice potentially provide the kingdom with nuclear weapons or a nuclear umbrella" against Iran. His conclusion is that Pakistan should never give the kingdom the bomb.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Apr 2015 22:10

Falijee wrote:Vipul ji - Now that Badmash has declared Chinese Investment neither loan nor grant , it remains to be seen if Pakis fulfill their end of the bargain ( ie work ethic, provide security to Chini employees against Baloch attacks, keep pro Jihadis under control, surpress Pak, anti - Cheeni groups etc etc)

It is neither a loan nor a grant. It is price of a whorah!

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 29 Apr 2015 22:33

How would Pakistanis feel if we did the same in their time of crises, asks Saudi Envoy

In an informal chat with The Express Tribune in Islamabad on Wednesday, the acting Saudi Ambassador Jassim Bin Mohammad Al-Khalidi asked “How would Pakistanis feel if we do the same with you (as Pakistani parliament’s resolution) in the time of crises.”

Comment : Like not "gifting" the recent $ 1.5 Billion as the mysterious "manna from Janaat" !

The Saudis told the Punjab chief minister that they were not expecting the government to take the issue to the Parliament since they needed ‘urgent’ help from Pakistan.

Comment : Reminding the "clever" brother that it is payback for "sheltering " Badmash in the Holy Kingdom .

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 29 Apr 2015 23:00

^^^

I guess the Soothies are finally realizing what Pakiness means.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 29 Apr 2015 23:03

I dont get the whole "lets believe the media this time" because "editorials" and "opinion pieces".

Saudi vs Iran is a good thing. Bakistan becomes a proper buffer state. Egg it on.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 29 Apr 2015 23:06

So what we need to do now is wait for:

(a) paki army to fall on its job and get a bunch of chinese engineers and such killed in Karachi
(b) get China to tell pakistan to get its house in order and kill of a bunch of armed jihadis in Karachi
(c) watch all the chinese massage parlours burn....