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Couple of misconceptions floating around on social media (including X, FB and even on WhatsApp) in the wake of the current Israel-Iran conflict
1. "Iron Dome is not woking fine" "Iron Dome is failing" etc.
Iron Dome has great name recognition in the public sphere (due to it being involved in past conflicts with Hamas and Hezbollah) so some think that it is the "sole" system which protects Israel against all aerial threats which is not true.
Iron Dome, [part of the multi layered AD:Air Defense) is just for intercepting short range missiles and artillery shells.
David's Sling is the system for the medium to long range interception of ballistic missiles and rockets (interception range of upto 300km)
Here is a picture of the Stunner interceptor missile (part of David's Sling AD system) found in Israel during the recent conflict
Arrow 2 and Arrow 3 are used for intercepting long range ballistic missiles in the upper atmosphere.
Arrow 3 is reported to have capability of exo atmospheric interception (upto 2,000 km). It can intercept the ballistic missiles at the top of its arc of flight (where it is easier to intercept compared to the final/terminal phase where it will be moving way faster and where it can also perform evasive maneuvers for some types of missiles)
In addition to all this US also has deployed a couple of THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) systems in Israel. 2 of the 7 systems that US has are in Israel right now
Thus Israel (like India) has a multi layered AD system where Iron Dome is only for very short range threats.
Given how the recent India-Pakistan and Israel-India conflicts have panned out with lot of standoff weapons and missiles being fired at each other, other nations (like India and Israel) will have to invest heavily (to protect themselves in case of future conflicts) in multi-layered AD systems.
2. "So many Iranian missiles are getting through. Israel Iron Dome is not working as well as Indian AD Air Defense."
The Iron Dome part was expalined above.
Regarding the missiles getting through it is very hard for any AD system to have 100% intercept ratio. The Israeli AD is knocking down a vast majority of the incoming ballistic missiles fired at them which is a good measure of its success.
In the Indian context the Pakis used swarm drone attacks which were mostly handled by the AD guns and short range AD defense layers. Only for the missile threats were the medium range Akash and MRSAM engaged. As far what has been reported in the media the missiles fired at India were mostly multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) Fatah-1 and 2 and not actual ballistic missiles.
One primary point of difference is that unlike Israel, India never face a simultaneous barrage of ~100 ballistic missiles which would stess an AD system (especially given over a small geographic area like Israel).
Please note that this is not to say that the IACCS/Akashteer would have "failed" to perfrom admirably against a bigger Pakistani missile salvo.
The Chinese rocket force (PLARF) is formidable and if ever the ballon went up with China on the LAC the IACCS/Akashteer would have a stern test against the Chinese missile barrage.
To conclude IMO the somewhat forced juxtaposition between Indian AD performance in May 2025 and the Israeli AD performance in June 2025 is kind of "apples vs oranges" comparison as Indian AD never faced a saturation type attack from the Pakistani missiles.
Epilogue: The new age threat of hypersonic missiles is here already. There are reports that Iranians fired hypersonic missiles at Israel.
Interception with older/existing AD is more difficult due to their way higher terminal speed. Both AD systems and tactics will have to evolve to counter this new more lethal threat in future conflicts.
Wonder if it is like last call kind of thing!!!:
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In a social media post on Monday, U.S. President Donald Trump warned that Iran's capital Tehran should be evacuated "immediately."
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Well, IRGC issued a call for Tel Aviv to evacuate first...VinodTK wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 06:13 Trump warns Iranian capital of Tehran should 'immediately evacuate' in social media post
Wonder if it is like last call kind of thing!!!:
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In a social media post on Monday, U.S. President Donald Trump warned that Iran's capital Tehran should be evacuated "immediately."
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DUBAI, June 16 (Reuters) - Tehran has asked Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Oman to press U.S. President Donald Trump to use his influence on Israel to agree to an immediate ceasefire with Iran in return for Iranian flexibility in nuclear negotiations, two Iranian and three regional sources told Reuters on Monday.
Gulf leaders and their top diplomats worked the phones all weekend, speaking to each other, to Tehran, Washington and beyond in an effort to prevent a widening of the biggest ever confrontation between longstanding enemies Israel and Iran.
From an OSINT handle called IsraelRadar,Multiple @usairforce refuellers and a RC-135V Rivet Joint intelligence aircraft flew parallel to Iran’s sensitive corridors inside #Pakistani airspace without challenge by the #PakistanAirForce today indicating how the primarily #Sunni #PakistanArmy is supporting #Israeli attacks on #Shia #Iran .
#Geopolitics #IndianSubcontinent
Israeli pilots in Iran receive real-time intel from officers at HQ in Tel Aviv, N12 News reports; this mechanism enables Air Force to strike newly discovered targets within seconds, report says.
High-ranking military officer: Israel destroyed over 200 Iranian missile launchers since start of conflict. via @WallaNews
Indian Embassy tells citizens: Leave Tehran immediately, relocate to safer areas. via @IndiaToday
Israel is increasingly considering possibility of regime change in Iran due to staggering success of military op, but President Trump is unconvinced so far, Axios reports.
National Security Adviser Hanegbi:
War vs Iran was planned as an Israeli military effort and is not based on receiving US offensive support; we can deal with Fordow without the Americans. via @kann_news
Israel’s campaign vs Iranian missiles:
1. Air Force & Mossad ops aimed to limit Iranian launch capability to few hundred missiles a day, Maariv Online reports; Israel’s next goal: Reduce Iranian capacity to no more than dozens of missiles a day.
2. Air Force appears to maintain constant presence above Iranian launch sites to minimize missile attacks, says @david_lisovtsev. Doing this so far away from Israel is an incredible feat. IDF says unspecified adjustments were made to enable wide-ranging operations in Iran.
3. IDF is studying Iranian launch sites & patterns in order to disrupt and significantly reduce scope of missile fire, Kan News reports. Iran will be left powerless if Israel neutralizes missile & drone capabilities, IDF says
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https://x.com/pati_marins64/status/1934 ... WynVg&s=19Israeli officials state that the reason for the decreased number of ballistic missile launches by Iran over the last 24 hour, is due to continued strikes by the Israeli Air Force against surface-to-surface missile launchers and infrastructure in Iran. Officials believe that they have so far destroyed 40% of the ballistic missile launchers maintained by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).
See the 1.42 minutes video attachment of interception in the link below.The main reason is not Iran's nuclear program, as Israel already knew it could not destroy it, and neither could the U.S. without a ground operation.
The U.S. involvement would primarily be to stop the missile barrages against Israel, which are rapidly depleting Israel's defense missile stockpiles.
Israel currently has three Arrow 3 batteries and two David's Sling batteries for intercepting ballistic and cruise missiles.
Considering that Iranian barrages over the past 3 days have amounted to more than 400 missiles, and intercept doctrine typically allocates 2 defensive missiles per ballistic and a salvo of 3 per hypersonic missile, followed by another salvo of 2, I would say that Israel has already used around 700-800 missiles from these 2 systems.
Both David's Sling and Arrow 3 became operational in 2017, giving them 7 years of missile production.
Considering further that the U.S. produces about 500 Patriot missiles annually, even with 1,400 batteries and various operators; and MBDA produces about 130 Aster 30 missiles per year, I would say Israel produces no more than 100-150 David's Sling missiles per year, which would provide a stockpile of at most 1,050 missiles over the last 7 years.
As for Arrow 3, I would compare it by saying that up to today, about 800 THAAD missiles have been produced over 17 years to supply the 9 batteries produced so far. That makes me believe that Arrow 3, with only 3 batteries, does not have more than 500-600 missiles in stock, to be optimistic.
Thus, we might say that Israel's two anti-missile systems had about 1,600 missiles before the conflict and may have depleted half of this stock in 3 days.
Even with the U.S. having provided 2 THAAD batteries to the Israelis, this would add at most another 200-300 missiles.
I estimate that Israel has about 900-1,100 interception missiles in stock, which, if revealed, would cause panic, as it is enough for another 4-5 days of protection at the levels of attack used by Iran in recent nights.
See the 1 minute video in the link below.This video isn’t the clearest but it seems to show 7, maybe 8 interceptors launching which would indicate THAAD (8 tubes) rather than Arrow (6 tubes). The second Iranian impact hits right on the AD launch site. So possibly this is video of THAAD getting penetrated and damaged.
Post by Israel Defence Forces official X handle on June 16, 3.18PM given below. See the 33 second video in the link.#Breaking: In #Iran, the #Israel Intelligence (#Mossad) has drone manufacturing workshops where former and active duty #Iranian Air Force and MODAFL personnel produced hundreds of one-way attack drones for use against the regime and #IRGC! The #Iranian police has discovered one of them!
#OperationRisingLion
What did the IAF accomplish in Iran last night?
20+ surface-to-surface missiles were dismantled minutes before they were to be launched toward Israel’s home front.
Approx. 100 military targets were struck in Isfahan, central Iran.
Around 50 fighter jets and aircraft identified and struck missile storage sites and surface-to-surface missile launchers that were ready for launch toward Israel.
With this, we can now say that 𝟭/𝟯 𝗼𝗳 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗜𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗿𝗲𝗴𝗶𝗺𝗲’𝘀 𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗮𝘂𝗻𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗹𝗲𝗱.
From CBS News senior white house reporter, Jennifer Jacobs posted on 16 June.Iranian hypersonic missile Fattah hypersonic missile changing it's trejectory in midflight. It changes it's trejectory 3 times as shown in red arrow. Looks like fins with RV stears it in end part. Also it's entire flight is jet power & it was almost like stopped before point A.
https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/19 ... nCwcg&s=19"Yeah," Iran is backchanneling to US, Trump tells us in Canada. "They'd like to talk but they should have done that before," he said. "Iran is not winning this war."
Israeli ministers were presented with worst-case scenario of over 600 Iranian missiles fired the first night of war, 800-4,000 dead in conflict with Iran; looks like actual numbers will be far lower from these casualty figures. via @N12News
UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!
We know exactly where the so-called “Supreme Leader” is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran. Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn’t compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured “stuff.” Nobody does it better than the good ol’ USA.
Capacity to change trejectory is one thing but did it actually hit a given target? Secondly, someone may correct me, but is it not the case that all RV of balistic missiles above a particular range are hypersonic anyway. So where is the invention?Hriday wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 21:38 From a well known military technical analyst handle. DFI Lite. See the attached pictures showing the changes in RV path.
https://x.com/DfIlite/status/1933744787 ... 7VYNg&s=19Iranian hypersonic missile Fattah hypersonic missile changing it's trejectory in midflight. It changes it's trejectory 3 times as shown in red arrow. Looks like fins with RV stears it in end part. Also it's entire flight is jet power & it was almost like stopped before point A.
What is he crowing about? The Israelis are doing all the dangerous hardwork and have put their entire country at risk from Iranian BMs while Trump is trying yet again to claim credit for something he played no part in. Now that he has revealed that US and Israel knows where Khamenei is hiding, the Iranians would have already moved him to a new bunker!Hriday wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 22:42 Hopefully the last days of Iranian regime is near. Trump made three posts in Truth Social account about an hour ago.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrum ... 0769479275UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!We know exactly where the so-called “Supreme Leader” is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran. Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn’t compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured “stuff.” Nobody does it better than the good ol’ USA.
Fake news from the usual Indian propaganda peddlers on Turkey/Qatari/Paki payroll. Hindustan Times, Times Of India, OneIndia and more recently WION serve as mouthpieces for global ummah running their every exaggeration and imagination as "news".Cain Marko wrote: ↑17 Jun 2025 20:26 Supposedly mossad hq was struck and director killed?
https://youtu.be/ITlhPYKTNRw?si=ZWUA2s893U93HuIp
Shows Trump is most likely swayed by rhetoric than facts. As i say he is a megalomaniac trying hard to be loony as well.Cain Marko wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 02:21 https://youtu.be/AdlbSndn2Eg?si=SlyeM3ZT1PB70H19
Tulsi being brushed off by Trump. They want to go for a decapitation strike
And the longer he is around the more they can bomb IranS_Madhukar wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 04:37 So my question to Yanks on the forum is what is US waiting for ? Will they be using their MOAB ? Or are they waiting for Maverick to come out of retirement and show his skills one last time on Fowdor
Trump is waiting for a Fox News anchor to tell him.S_Madhukar wrote: ↑18 Jun 2025 04:37 So my question to Yanks on the forum is what is US waiting for ? Will they be using their MOAB ? Or are they waiting for Maverick to come out of retirement and show his skills one last time on Fowdor
No evidence, I am being conservative in my estimate. We do have satellite pics that more that half hit their targets.
20+ surface-to-surface missiles were dismantled minutes before they were to be launched toward Israel’s home front.
Approx. 100 military targets were struck in Isfahan, central Iran.
Around 50 fighter jets and aircraft identified and struck missile storage sites and surface-to-surface missile launchers that were ready for launch toward Israel.