Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 30 May 2011 11:59

I think we should keep inviting them to Cricket matches where they lose. And do what we need to do to them clandestinely!

Do thappad ek jahtke mein!

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 30 May 2011 12:08

rajanb wrote:I don't know why Karan Thapar was so kind to Sharyar Khan?

He should have roasted him. The most boring (yawn) programme I ever watched.

Wasn't Karan Thapar friend with someone from Pakistan who he introduced to LK Advani

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 May 2011 12:14

UNconfirmed from Twitter. TIFWIW.

>>@bchowla Hamid Gul's grand son's US visa and admission in US university cancelled.Compare it with India reaction--We play cricket

negi · Post by **negi** » 30 May 2011 12:16

^ He can apply for universities in UKstan they will take him with arms wide open.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 30 May 2011 12:29

rajanb wrote:I don't know why Karan Thapar was so kind to Sharyar Khan?

He should have roasted him. The most boring (yawn) programme I ever watched.

Karan Thapar is the mai-baap of WKK brigade. He was ripped apart by Ram Jetmalani.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 30 May 2011 12:37

rajanb wrote:I think we should keep inviting them to Cricket matches where they lose. And do what we need to do to them clandestinely!

Do thappad ek jahtke mein!

rajanb ji, Playing bilateral kirket matches with that Terrorist nation would be shameful and disgusting to say the least and Sir there are no clandestine ops being done by India in TSP. We don't have the humanit or the resources anymore (thanks to another chief of WKK brigade ).

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 30 May 2011 12:38

Gagan wrote:National Security Policy Per Barti Tanqeed?
Host: Moeed Pirzada Panel: Irfan Siddique (Analyst), Ahmed Qureshi (Chuha / Nimbu Pani), Senator Haroon Akhtar (PML), Hamid Gul

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNgsatdsWQE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoiM66ob9ck

In part 1 Hamid Gul says, "Zia-ul-Haq ka jahaz uda diya tha amreekano ne"
(Zia-ul-Haq's plane was blown up by the americans)
Hamid Gul blames the US for:
1. Blowing up Zia's plane
2. Ojhri camp blast
Where the truth probably is that, the former was an internal coup within the army, and the latter was a cover up to divert US origin arms from Afghanistan to Kashmir.

Why does it feel like the host's ba**ls are in his mouth ?? But this shows the kind of uncertainity these people are facing.

negi · Post by **negi** » 30 May 2011 12:47

Meanwhile someone is back with his wetdreams, gup-shup with TSP.

India, Pakistan begin talks on disputed Siachen Glacier

So babus from Gobermund will meet retired terrorists from the other-side. If this is not what they call 'swapna-dosha' then what is it ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 May 2011 13:23

VikasRaina wrote:We don't have the humanit or the resources anymore (thanks to another chief of WKK brigade ).

Nor the inclination.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 30 May 2011 13:35

I stand the likelihood of being flamed for this.

But are we going to admit that we have?

amit · Post by **amit** » 30 May 2011 13:38

rajanb wrote:But are we going to admit that we have?

As far as I can recall there has been no PIB release on this.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 30 May 2011 13:41

Amitji,

Neither from VOA, BBC, Hua or Ru

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 30 May 2011 15:00

rajanb wrote:But are we going to admit that we have?

With the exception of the expose of Mr. Brandy, R&AW has maintained a spectacularly stealthy presence in Af-Pak

In the absence of any evidence or even hints, 'the glass is more than half full' to imagine that we are retaliating or taking any action like supporting covert ops in TSP.
There is no will. All evidence suggests that the civilian leaders truly believe that a stable Pakistan is in India's interests and talks are the only way forward.

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 May 2011 15:30

Pak to launch offensive in N Waziristan

Pakistan has decided to launch an air and ground military offensive in North Waziristan, the main sanctuary for al Qaeda and Taliban on the border with Afghanistan, a newspaper reported on Monday. The United States has long demanded that Pakistan launch an offensive in the region to hunt down the H
aqqani network, one of the deadliest Afghan militant factions fighting American troops in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has been reluctant, but has come under intense US pressure to attack militancy after it was discovered that Osama bin Laden had been living there.

Finally, the TSPA sound and light show moves onto N.Waziristan despite all of Paki efforts. Lets see how soon the Pakis claim victory here ( though the old trick seems doubtful this time as Unkil will be watching with eagle eyes)

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 May 2011 15:31

saadhak wrote:
rajanb wrote:But are we going to admit that we have?
With the exception of the expose of Mr. Brandy, R&AW has maintained a spectacularly stealthy presence in Af-Pak
In the absence of any evidence or even hints, 'the glass is more than half full' to imagine that we are retaliating or taking any action like supporting covert ops in TSP.
There is no will. All evidence suggests that the civilian leaders truly believe that a stable Pakistan is in India's interests and talks are the only way forward.

Any intelligence agency worth its salt will be stealthy. Thats the whole point of "keeping secrets".They do not intend to make the headlines of newspapers and evening news. If it happens it failed its purpose. ISI failed because of complete traction loss with reality.They think they are above law and can do anything.
R&AW will also fail if it loses the traction. I dont think GoI will cut them loose. We still have PMO control, however effective it might be. They report to peaceman MMS for crying out loud! I think we should cut them some slack. Let them do their job and not judge how they do it.
JMT

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 30 May 2011 15:42

Altair wrote:Any intelligence agency worth its salt will be stealthy. Thats the whole point of "keeping secrets".They do not intend to make the headlines of newspapers and evening news. If it happens it failed its purpose. ISI failed because of complete traction loss with reality.They think they are above law and can do anything.
R&AW will also fail if it loses the traction. I dont think GoI will cut them loose. We still have PMO control, however effective it might be. They report to peaceman MMS for crying out loud! I think we should cut them some slack. Let them do their job and not judge how they do it.
JMT

Agree. Just to clarify, I was not being judgemental on the efficacy of the agency.
My comments were more talking about the political / civilian will to do something more than just engaging in talks and going out of the way to make statements that show the world we are more worried about the stability of Pakistan than Pakistan themselves - regardless of how they hit us.
The first sentence on Mr. Brandy was in humour.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 May 2011 15:46

sum wrote:
Finally, the TSPA sound and light show moves onto N.Waziristan despite all of Paki efforts. Lets see how soon the Pakis claim victory here ( though the old trick seems doubtful this time as Unkil will be watching with eagle eyes)

I am sure this time lot of Pashtun soldiers of PA will be fertilized. I am expecting a 5:1 kill ratio. 5 PA soldiers killed for 1 talib.
Unkil will be hovering above with hellfire armed predator and recent addition of one particularly deadly fancy drone. I even heard US has got MOAB(GBU-43/B) to Diego Garcia. It is going to be a bloodbath for pakis.
I am hoping for a Sehwag triple hundred.He usually scores in first innings!

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 30 May 2011 15:57

Pak to launch offensive in N Waziristan

And I have the bragging rights since my PNS Mehran attack theory seems to be right

But anyone could have guessed that

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 30 May 2011 16:19

So, finally the US has forced the TSPA to surrender to the talibs one more time.

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 30 May 2011 16:19

sum wrote:Pak to launch offensive in N Waziristan

Pakistan has decided to launch an air and ground military offensive in North Waziristan, the main sanctuary for al Qaeda and Taliban on the border with Afghanistan, a newspaper reported on Monday. The United States has long demanded that Pakistan launch an offensive in the region to hunt down the H
aqqani network, one of the deadliest Afghan militant factions fighting American troops in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has been reluctant, but has come under intense US pressure to attack militancy after it was discovered that Osama bin Laden had been living there.
Finally, the TSPA sound and light show moves onto N.Waziristan despite all of Paki efforts. Lets see how soon the Pakis claim victory here ( though the old trick seems doubtful this time as Unkil will be watching with eagle eyes)

This could be the reason that they are forced to launch the operation or maybe they are disguising the NATO incursions as their own operation

Nato choppers again violate Pakistani airspace in North Waziristan

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... nt=Twitter

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 May 2011 16:21

Countdown to 72 AOA.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 30 May 2011 16:29

The Defence Secretary, Shri Pradeep Kumar and his Pakistani counterpart, Lt. Gen. (Retd.) Syed Ather Ali at the Defence Secretary level talks, between India and Pakistan on Siachen issue, in New Delhi on May 30, 2011.

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 May 2011 16:30

Pakistan to grant India MFN status before October

Bilateral trade between India and Pakistan has the potential to increase three-fold within the next three years with the grant of most-favoured nation (MFN) status to India even as the Pakistani industry is hopeful of an Early Harvest Scheme (EHS) with India.

Trade between India and Pakistan reached $1.85 billion in 2010-11, compared to $3 billion with Sri Lanka. Hence, grant of the MFN status by Pakistan to India would result in trading of more items between both the countries.

“Pakistan would give MFN status to India before October and both sides are working towards creating only one negative list unlike now for businessmen of both countries to have a greater access to each other’s markets,” S M Muneer, president, India-Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry, told Business Standard.

According to the World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, it is the fundamental right of a country to get MFN status from another member country. Grant of the MFN status by Pakistan would expand the number of products to be traded in a positive list of commodities that are exported by India.

Muneer, who was invited by the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry to visit India, also said the Pakistani industry was seeking to establish EHS with India by opening up more land routes for trade to take place.

“We want India to open up more land routes beside the Wagah-Attari border. We want them to open up the Munabao-Khokrapar route also so that more and more items can be traded and items can be transported with less cost,” he added.

At present, there are 1,938 items that are there on the positive list. Out of these, 190 tariff lines are allowed through the Wagah border, while the rest are being sent through the Mumbai port.

Seems Unkil would be behind this....now that this "great" step has been done, all past $#%^ of TSP can now be forgotten and more lovemaking can be done?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 30 May 2011 16:31

SSS goes missing

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 May 2011 16:32

^^ AoA.... who will give out ISI's version of the stories now!!?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 30 May 2011 16:35

sum wrote:^^ AoA.... who will give out ISI's version of the stories now!!?

NDTV

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 May 2011 16:45

Pakistan is in a free fall. And India should be worried

FOR A people who consider themselves as the true legatees of the Mughal empire, the recent spate of violence in Pakistan should have come as an eye-opener. Be it the “siege” of the Mehran naval base in Karachi by extremists of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan or the bus blast in northwest Pakistan that claimed the lives of 80 paramilitary cadets, the country has of late, become the favourite killing field of fundamentalist jihadists, who blame the government for the killing of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden. The only apt historical parallel to describe the state of Pakistan today is the atrophying Mughal empire after the death of Aurangzeb. Just as Aurangzeb sought to cement the empire by using fundamentalist Islam, but ended up spawning a million mutinies, which sapped the vitality of the realm and ultimately destroyed the empire, so too in the case of Pakistan, which promoted a virulent version of Islam to fuse the nation but which is now threatening to devour the Pakistani state from within.

During the last days of the Mughal empire, court intrigues to become emperor or wazir or a noble were the order of the day, and this despite the fact that the empire, or what was left of it, was surviving on the sufferance of either adventurers or emerging powers like the Marathas and the Afghans. Just as the last Mughals used to depend on external intervention to secure their positions in the court, Pakistani leaders today are more than willing to invite intervention by outside powers — USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, China — for gaining or retaining political power. Even when hostile armies were on the borders and the very survival of the throne and empire was at stake, the later Mughals made no effort to forge unity to confront the invaders and marauders. Instead, all energy was focussed on getting one up on rivals. No one was willing to give any quarter to his rivals, or desist from brinkmanship, or even put one’s own self-interest on the back-burner until the peril of invasion was tackled and the authority of the empire re-established. So it is in today’s Pakistan.

Nice parallel to the Mughals..

PAKISTAN IS not so much a victim of terrorism as it is a victim of the stupendous success of the indoctrination programme that has replaced the innate pragmatism of the people. Islamism doubles up as nationalism and validates substantially, if not entirely, the concept of Islamofascism. It is this phenomenon that leads a newspaper owner, who is an ideal candidate for a lunatic asylum but in today’s Pakistan is a leading flagbearer of the ‘ideology of Pakistan’, to demand a nuclear strike on India because after a nuclear exchange Pakistan will be able to progress like Japan did after Hiroshima! It is this thinking that leads a top general under Pervez Musharraf, and a man who at one point was touted as a possible successor to Musharraf, to advocate firing “a nuclear warning shot in the Bay of Bengal, across India, demonstrating our circular range capacity” in order to send the message that “you don’t mess with a nuclear power and get away with it”. It is this thinking that makes a former information minister declare that “Pakistan has made nuclear weapons not to keep them in the cupboard but to use them against its enemies”. It is this mindset that makes the so-called ‘civil society’ — news anchors, lawyers, activists — defend the action of the assassin of Punjab governor, Salman Taseer. And it is precisely this mindset that prevents the Pakistan army (its ranks filled with the oxymoronic ‘moderate Taliban’) from ending its double-game in the war on terror.

Today, it is not the nukes that protect Pakistan but Pakistan that protects its nukes

This then is the terrible reality of Pakistan. Unfortunately, just as the Pakistanis are in denial, so too are the Indians, or at least the Indian establishment, about the ground reality in Pakistan. India’s Pakistan policy (if at all there is such a thing) is predicated on interactions with what is a fringe group of liberal, moderate, modern, and sensible Pakistanis who are excellent advocates of their country but whose words don’t count for anything in terms of setting their country’s policy or direction. This is a class that doesn’t number more than a couple of thousand.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 30 May 2011 16:55

abhishek_sharma wrote:
The Defence Secretary, Shri Pradeep Kumar and his Pakistani counterpart, Lt. Gen. (Retd.) Syed Ather Ali at the Defence Secretary level talks, between India and Pakistan on Siachen issue, in New Delhi on May 30, 2011.

The body language says it all. Except for one paki who seems to be grinning (in a sheepish "I have gas" way), all others have this fatalistic look. Their leader is even glowering at his counterpart. Compare that to the body language of the Indians.

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 May 2011 16:57

^^ Indians seem to be treating this as a time-pass, going by the body language ( esp of the IA officers)...might be a wrong reading of the situation though ( since dont have a PhD in psychology).

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 30 May 2011 17:00

Today, it is not the nukes that protect Pakistan but Pakistan that protects its nukes

A little rhetorical, but a nice one and to a large extent coming true. The Mughal angle when revisited and history revised from the Psec POV, will closely resemble what Sareen analogises. He understands Paki's and their perfidy perfectly well. But is it me only that am surprised that Tehalka is giving space to Sushant Sareen, given that i was under the impression this is a liberal left rag.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 30 May 2011 17:04

sum wrote:^^ Indians seem to be treating this as a time-pass, going by the body language ( esp of the IA officers)...might be a wrong reading of the situation though ( since dont have a PhD in psychology).

Yes I agree, they seem to be relishing the amount of fun they are going to have.

If I was a Paki (horrible enough though the thought is), I would really worry a lot.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 May 2011 17:06

anupmisra wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:
The Defence Secretary, Shri Pradeep Kumar and his Pakistani counterpart, Lt. Gen. (Retd.) Syed Ather Ali at the Defence Secretary level talks, between India and Pakistan on Siachen issue, in New Delhi on May 30, 2011.
The body language says it all. Except for one paki who seems to be grinning (in a sheepish "I have gas" way), all others have this fatalistic look. Their leader is even glowering at his counterpart. Compare that to the body language of the Indians.

Their guy in the grey suit looks familiar ( and positively constipated.)

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 30 May 2011 17:08

The body language says it all. Except for one paki who seems to be grinning (in a sheepish "I have gas" way), all others have this fatalistic look. Their leader is even glowering at his counterpart. Compare that to the body language of the Indians.

Anup Ji, i too wanted to comment on that and observed it. I see it in too many photographs Paki-Indians. Paki giving glowering look, Indian giving smile/ laughing. It's like the SDRE is about to commence pappi jhappi anytime. This gives me the creeps. This is not a bonhomie session. Arnab beginning to ask a question to that rascal Hilali by saying you're my fried and i respect you..blah blah. This is nothing but disgusting. Objectivity ad focus is lost in such sessions. If you had to expect reasonableness from Paki's it would have happened long ago. This sucking up only reinforces an ex ISI chiefs version of us..lick an Indian and he kicks you but kick..

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 May 2011 17:10

Their guy in the grey suit looks familiar ( and positively constipated.)

^^ The grey suited,glowering guy would be the Paki amby to Desh, Shri Shahid Malik...

Kapil · Post by **Kapil** » 30 May 2011 17:50

Look in the centre of the table-- Afghani Badam and American branded Bottled water!

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 30 May 2011 17:58

Kapil wrote:

Look in the centre of the table-- Afghani Badam and American branded Bottled water!

No Chai biskoot???

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 May 2011 18:02

The picture seems to suggest they had a private bet on which one of the Pakbarians will be Qadri-fied before the next meeting and agreed on bet amounts..

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 30 May 2011 18:08

Whether they have badam or chai, this thread reached 72 and hope they get their 72 too.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 May 2011 18:09

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... an-missing

SSS story is gaining traction in Google..with excellent results for TSP's image among humans.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 30 May 2011 18:15

PNS Mehran Base Attack: Terrorist were using walkie talkies of NATO forces http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... ATO-forces

The walkie talkies used by the terrorist are used by the NATO forces in Afghanistan.
According to the ongoing investigations in the attack on the Pakistan Naval Base Mehran in Karachi, the terrorists were using the LXT 303 walkie talkies made by an American company, Media Reports say.
According to the investigation officer, there walkie talkies were specifically made to be used in military operations. The terrorist had at least three walkie talkie sets which were set one channel through which they were contacting each other, Media Reports added.

PNS Mehran Airbase attack: Ex-Navy Commando Kamran Malik arrested http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... k-arrested

The law enforcement agencies have arrested the former Navy Commando Kamran Malik along with his brother suspected of involvement in PNS Mehran airbase episode here in Lahore on Monday.
He was alleged to have been involved in providing maps and sensitive information to the terrorists.
Former Naval Commando Kamran Malik was arrested at Guro Mangut Road.
Kamran Malik was court marshaled and dismissed from the Navy due to his suspicious activities ten years ago.
Meanwhile, the agencies have also questioning to the naval officials who are on long leave due to some reasons.

Terrorists used rare explosives in PNS Mehran attack http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/05 ... an-attack/

KARACHI - According to a private television channel, the explosives used by the terrorists are not available easily even in the black market of weapons.
It said that all four terrorists were well trained and heavily armed with the latest weapons and ammunition.
They were armed with 4 RPGS, Russian made AK-47s, night vision goggles, hand grenades, and silencer fitted sniper rifles.
After throwing hand grenades towards US made Orion aircrafts, the terrorists used very rare explosive that are not easily available even in weapons’ black market.
Meanwhile, investigative authorities found a walkie-talkie set from the eastern side of the runway at PNS Mehran air base.
The set was allegedly used by the terrorists during the attack that took place at the PNS Mehran earlier this week.
The channel reported that during a recent search of the bushes surrounding the eastern end of the runway, the walkie-talkie set has been found near the location from where the terrorists had entered the base.