AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 29 Jan 2014 11:06

Dasari, tell one one simple reason why Telangana should remain united with Seemandhra and how that division is detrimental to interest of telangana people? Yes subject is political in as much as people of telangana want the division. Govt has now committed to it. No matter what seemandhra people argue or twist and turn in the air , nothing can stop the division as of now. If it does not happen in this parliament, next session it would happen. The people of semmandhra should accept it and move on.

If the outcome of this results in congis getting wiped out from a large chunk of former AP then that is good. BJP is not going to win much in my opinion. AP people have not given much political space to BJP as they were benefiting from Congi regime and deeds of their corrupt politicos. So be it. BJP should play safe and not promise something on which they might have to backtrack or not able to deliver.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 29 Jan 2014 12:02

Is this RK the one close to KVP and acted as a PI to YSR?
Why did KKR shield CBN on the discussion? CBN did not express his views. Are they dancing in pairs? KKR AND CBN? Whats the scoop here.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 29 Jan 2014 20:17

Altair wrote:Why did KKR shield CBN on the discussion? CBN did not express his views. Are they dancing in pairs? KKR AND CBN? Whats the scoop here.

I'm not sure it is shielding. It is denying opposition leader from speaking in Assembly on important bill by engaging others to create ruckus.

Center sent bill without "Objectives" and "financial details" sections which must be there in a real bill.
Also about 80 MLAs were able to speak on it in Assembly. So it is incompletely debated and doesn't have Assembly approval.

One question remain - will they introduce same bill. If not, what they sent to Assembly is not original bill which is required as per constitution and per-law it is violation of constitution with respect to division of states.

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Will centre table same bill in Parliament?
http://www.andhraheadlines.com/state/wi ... 26402.html

UPA readying to introduce 'T' Bill in parliament
http://www.andhraheadlines.com/state/up ... 26384.html

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Jan 2014 05:18

Bala ‏@Bala406 5m
U guys want to hear a shocking news: Chiru is gonna contest to LS on BJP ticket from Coastal AP!Talks are going in Delhi. Announcement soon.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 Jan 2014 08:00

RajeshA wrote:Bala ‏@Bala406 5m
U guys want to hear a shocking news: Chiru is gonna contest to LS on BJP ticket from Coastal AP!Talks are going in Delhi. Announcement soon.

Thats BS. I also heard rumors of Mohanbabu entering fray. As we near the day we will hear all these jumping frogs screaming like in a mating season.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 30 Jan 2014 08:06

RajeshA wrote:Bala ‏@Bala406 5m
U guys want to hear a shocking news: Chiru is gonna contest to LS on BJP ticket from Coastal AP!Talks are going in Delhi. Announcement soon.

He is in RS that means sukh kursi. If he wants to help BJP he can stay in Congress and be Shakuni.

His PRP gang however is planning to move to TDP or BJP

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 30 Jan 2014 10:59

entire existing mass of opportunists needs to be thrashed so thoroughly they take sanyas and never again dream of entering public governance roles or even talking about it.

I will enjoy the process by which intra-elite faction fights end up bankrupting several prominent faces. in Kosta the process has already started. it will intensify. they will go down in their own internal confusion (the confusion is real; don't be fooled by external appearances. they are all caught in a quandary. T-separation is truly a revolution. it will take out all existing culprits.)

in Telangana, if separation happens within the next year, by 2019, cracks will be wide open for all to see. watch closely the specific pattern of behavior of TRS and its backers, when it comes to what kind of allies/friends they pick among the non-muslims. I don't want to point at specific groups, but the last remaining financial power of the T-feudals (those who insist on going along with the Ashraf alliance) will go bankrupt in the same process which has already begun in rest of AP.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 30 Jan 2014 11:01

for KCR and his ilk, it is going go be a bed of roses. but thorns underneath. they don't realize it yet.

they should do the honorable thing. learn from past. understand the hatred which fueled the rebellion against them. and they don't have to accept to any pass misdeeds publicly. just simply the act of NOT REPEATING the past sins is in itself the greatest sign of regret and redemption. They still have time to save their legacy. My gut feeling is there will be a few who will take exile from the region to make sure that ancestral responsibilities don't fall on their shoulders and plunge them into old habits.

some other who stick on but whose guilt is too much might do some interesting things. one can only hope.

but the opportunist, sell-anything for power, "we are all converts onlee" types will be the ones who will return to power with vengeance. these ones will have to taken out. they are a stain.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 30 Jan 2014 11:12

AP Assembly rejects AP reorganization bill. Let's see if Center puts same incomplete bill in Parliament. If they put different bill, United AP people can go to Supreme court.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 30 Jan 2014 11:15

what's an "incomplete bill"?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 30 Jan 2014 11:33

Technically its not rejecting. They are just asking actual bill to be presented and rejected the Draft bill, which is lacking many details (distribution of loans, assets, income, sharing pensions (many reside in Hyd) and it does not talk about new state capital and its funding). So, center cannot fulfill the obligation of taking opinion of state assembly, thus it cannot introduce the bill in Parliament. Even in Con does so, the validity of such can be challenged in court.

The speaker of AP assembly adjourns the House sine die, so the present assembly cannot be reconvened, the next assembly session will be only after fresh elections.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 30 Jan 2014 12:39

devesh wrote:what's an "incomplete bill"?

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... epage=true

Andhra Pradesh Assembly rejects draft Telangana bill

The Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly on Thursday adopted a resolution moved by Chief Minister N Kiran Kumar Reddy rejecting the AP Reorganisation Bill.

The passage of the resolution by voice vote was preceded by Legislative Assembly Speaker Nadendla Manohar's announcement that the debate on the bifurcation bill has been completed.

\Amid noisy scenes, the Speaker said that the House received 9,072 amendments on the Bill and 86 members participated in the debate that commenced in December second week. All these would be sent to the President as desired by him.

The Speaker put the resolution moved by the Chief Minister to voice vote while informing the House that he had not taken up the ten non-official resolutions he had received as they all related to the same subject. Later he adjourned the House sine die.

IANS adds:

The President had referred the bill to the state legislature Dec 12 for its opinion under Article 3 of the Constitution. The bill was tabled Dec 16 but could not be taken up for debate for several days due to protests by Seemandhra lawmakers, opposing state’s bifurcation.

The Chief Minister, who is strongly opposed to bifurcation, last Friday submitted a notice to the speaker for moving a resolution to reject the bill and send it back to the President with a request not to refer it to parliament.

Terming the bill faulty and incomprehensive, Mr. Reddy on Wednesday challenged the central government to table it in the same form in the parliament. He said if the parliament admitted the bill in the same form, he would quit politics.

Meanwhile, suspense continues on whether the speaker would conduct voting on the bill as being demanded by the chief minister and other Seemandhra legislators. The lawmakers from Telangana argued that there is no need for voting as the President has only sought opinion of the legislature.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 30 Jan 2014 13:10

kmkraoind wrote:Technically its not rejecting. They are just asking actual bill to be presented and rejected the Draft bill, which is lacking many details (distribution of loans, assets, income, sharing pensions (many reside in Hyd) and it does not talk about new state capital and its funding). So, center cannot fulfill the obligation of taking opinion of state assembly, thus it cannot introduce the bill in Parliament. Even in Con does so, the validity of such can be challenged in court.

The speaker of AP assembly adjourns the House sine die, so the present assembly cannot be reconvened, the next assembly session will be only after fresh elections.

There IS going to be another assembly session in febraury for the vote-on-account budget otherwise, immediate president's rule for such a failure.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 30 Jan 2014 16:29

It means Congress (Dynasty will) has failed miserably in AP bifurcation issue.

‏@ndtv - We are in control of all issues except the issue of bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh: Digvijaya Singh

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 30 Jan 2014 18:36

Just have patience. In two weeks time we will have a new state called Telangana.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 30 Jan 2014 19:06

Muppalla wrote:Just have patience. In two weeks time we will have a new state called Telangana.

Twitter is ablaze about how AP assembly opinion is not binding on Parliament. Telangana loyalists are also spitting venom against the SA people. But I suspect you could well be right, Muppalla-ji. We may well see a new state. Congress knows it is finished and just wants to burn the country to the ground on its way out.

All this butchering of the proprieties and constitutional modalities means that it is going to be really dangerous for the Indian union, that an arbitrary centre with a bunch of sycophants can enact any change in any manner they want. And if the sentiment towards SA folks on the ground matches the bile being spewed on them in twitter, they had best get the hell out of Telangana, while time there still is. Whether Telangana is formed or not, Congress has successfully divided the Telugus against themselves.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 30 Jan 2014 20:24

Muppalla wrote:Just have patience. In two weeks time we will have a new state called Telangana.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CST_MJHLqWc#t=23

Problem is same ruckus like last time will continue in Parliament. Congress can use their "rebels" to deflect opposition in the Sabhas. These MPs already passed no-confidence last time but speaker was keeping pushing it a few days without accepting.

By the there is constitutional issue. If they put same bill which is void of a lot of things, it can be rejected as it doesn't conform to bills put in parliament. If they put different bill, MPs can ask if such bill was sent to Assembly as per article 3. Besides, Supreme court can also interject on this legal issue as cases are also pending.

Main question is whether Center take up split when state rejected it. Then there will be Center-state conformance issue (another legal issue).

If Congress wants to showcase this as victory and have TRS merged into it for political gains in elections is different matter. For which they can ask TRS first merge into it. Then they can delay it to pass saying it is not in their hands - it is in Parliaments hand or in Supreme court hands.

As for them they did their job so can ask TRS to merge and Telangana people to vote for Congress instead of TDP or BJP.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Jan 2014 20:37

COngress has sucessfully put Ap in liquid oxygen, Telegana is the only issue, Jalnagyam, Industrial development, all gone.

Have to hand it over to them. Look at thee outlook forr AP when NDA- CBN Govt and now after 10 years ate and central Congress rule, the state is Bankcrupt.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 30 Jan 2014 20:57

Muppalla wrote:Just have patience. In two weeks time we will have a new state called Telangana.

That seemed true 24 hours ago. Now it is wide open now. Not only it gave fillip to BJP efforts to maneuver but also created an equally credible legal challenge. When KKR challenged the congress to put the same rag-tagged bill in parliament, his strategy was brilliant. He put into record that home ministry deceived both president and the state assembly by sending irrelevant bill to president and the assembly. That will be the crux of one legal battle although there are other angles.

The fact KCR spoke for the first time, repeating his favorite quotes every time he sees the process stalling (this time even quoting the dates when the bill will be passed), indicates the panic in TRS camp. Congress will push for merger of TRS (a statement to that effect ) before the passage of legislation. In fact Congress tried to use KKR's resistance as stick to threaten TRS and force it to merge, although the strategy went out of hand and boomeranged on them. It is interesting to see whether KCR will take the bait, which in turn changes the political landscape for more polarization.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Jan 2014 21:09

ShyamSP wrote:As for them they did their job so can ask TRS to merge and Telangana people to vote for Congress instead of TDP or BJP.

What kind of job is it where

A ) UPA brings out a bill right at the fag end of its 10 year term, and then
B ) send a half-baked bill to AP assembly which does not even meet the legal standards of a bill?!

This can hardly be termed as a serious intention.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 30 Jan 2014 21:40

RajeshA wrote: What kind of job is it where

A ) UPA brings out a bill right at the fag end of its 10 year term, and then
B ) send a half-baked bill to AP assembly which does not even meet the legal standards of a bill?!

This can hardly be termed as a serious intention.

RajeshA-ji,
They may or may not have an intention to create Telangana. What they intend to (and have succeeded in) is in polarising people for and against Telangana. The Congress are the past masters of this game - getting one group to fight another and profit from the fallout. Already, pro-Telangana folks are pouring (verbal) vitriol on SA people, calling them `settlers' who have looted Telangana (honestly, how many people here - all educated folks - can tell people of Khammam from those of Godavari?) But the Congress has succeeded in turning the election in Andhra into one issue election - Telangana. No one remembers the billions looted by YSR and his Congoons. Few remember that the state is on the brink of an economic collapse. Everything centres around Telangana.

Dasari-ji was absolutely right. Telangana folks are being promised the sky in the new state, and when that fails to materialise (almost inevitable), they will need a new scapegoat. One that is readymade - the `settlers' in Greater Hyderabad and other parts of Telangana. The Congress has created a huge mess for political gains. Reminds me of the time when they patronised Bhindranwale against the Akalis, or when they created hatred for Tamils in Karnataka during the Kaveri disputes. Both of them scarred an entire generation, led to mutual ill will and distrust, and created such socio-economic problems that we are yet to recover from them. Quite apart from the political and economic costs, it utterly destroys the social fabric. I remember Sikh kids being called `terrorists' in schools and Tamil kids being called `LTTE' by their schoolmates in Bangalore, and ostracised, way back in the 80s. Today, the Congress is doing the same thing in Andhra. And the costs of the latest Congress folly will be equally horrendous for the country.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Jan 2014 22:21

nageshks ji,

My 2 points were meant as a simple argument to counter Congress sales pitch in Telangana, that they did all they could to bring about Telangana and others are responsible if state could not be created.

Even if BJP actively votes against Telangana Bill, in Telangana BJP has to actively put the blame squarely on Congress for failure to create Telangana.

As far as dividing Telegus is concerned, Congress has succeeded. It is yet to see whether they can push the voters to TRS and YSRCP, or whether NDA still makes a good play, especially in the Assembly.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jan 2014 22:26

Only Congress national politicians of Doggy Singh ilk are claiming no rejection by AP Assembly. Media and state level politicians all say its a rejection.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 30 Jan 2014 22:36

Saars,
I think what is being not said or being ignored is that the kongis have not sent the bill to assembly. They have only sent a draft of the bill, not the bill itself. So, the condition that the bill has to be sent to the assembly remains unfulfilled. Basically, it means the kongis have not even started the process. They are just doing nautanki. They send a useless draft that has no info about many crucial issues. AP assembly would have been fools to pass it. It would have been like signing on a blank paper and giving it to a crook.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 30 Jan 2014 22:49

ramana wrote:Only Congress national politicians of Doggy Singh ilk are claiming no rejection by AP Assembly. Media and state level politicians all say its a rejection.

At the end of the day, does it matter either way?

Either AP assembly rejected the bill or passed a resolution rejecting the bill, in essence the view of AP assembly is against the bill.

Now since the center is not bound by the view of the assembly, does such a syntax make a difference?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 30 Jan 2014 22:56

Johnee G garu,
every bill is a draft, only once it is passed, it becomes final and is called an act.

There is a supreme court ruling established during maharashtra- gujarat division, that amendments need not be sent to the assembly. So as long as congress introduces the bill as is, it can have 5000 amendments without any issue. As of now, everything is going in the letter and spirit of article 3 of constitution.

The language of article 3 is clear and it vests the parliament with the complete power of redrawing states, with a simple majority. Parliament is not bound by the views of the assembly, i.e. assembly does not enjoy a veto over its boundaries.

Edit : Constitutionally as far as I know the only sticking point is article 371D, modified through the 32nd amendment.
http://indiacode.nic.in/coiweb/amend/amend32.htm
The statement of objective of the amendment is

This Bill has been brought forward to provide the necessary constitutional authority for giving effect to the Six-Point Formula

Now Six point formula is an agreement between telangana and CA, so that they stay as a single state. So I cannot see it being valid post a split.

Remember if such subterfuge is allowed, all one has to change article 370 in Kashmir, is to change the name of the state to something else - which can be achieved through a simple majority through article 3. There is a reason why the law ministry insisted that this was required.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 352426.ece

In a significant development that could have implications for the process of division of the State, officials of the Law Ministry reportedly told the Group of Ministers (GoM) that an amendment to Article 371 (D) of the Constitution was necessary as part of bifurcation.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 30 Jan 2014 23:20

A defiant Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister, N Kiran Kumar Reddy, has dared the Centre to go ahead with the creation of the separate state of Telangana. Speaking to IBN18 Editor-in-Chief Rajdeep Sardesai in an exclusive interview after the AP legislature rejected the bill, Reddy said, "We are meeting to decide the future. Future of the state is paramount. Pride of the Telugu people can't be decided in Delhi."

Attacking his own party-led government at the Centre, the AP Chief Minister said, "If the Telangana Bill is passed as it is, I will quit politics. We are discussing with the MLAs and MPs closely. We want to protect our state at any cost. AP legislature has rejected the bill. It's an indication of having a united state. It is the will of the people." However, he added that quitting politics does not mean floating his own party.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 30 Jan 2014 23:35

When one says the bill is incomplete, one has to really compare it with an example below. Some highlights: The capital is supposed to be decided within 45 days, division of general assets in ratio of population, 41.68 : 58.32

below is the punjab reorganisation act of 1966.
http://indiankanoon.org/doc/933499/

below is
http://www.aplegislature.org/en_GB/c/do ... upId=11343

Because the bill changes 371D, it can only be passed with a 2/3rd majority and the constitutionality point is moot.

That particular bill as I read it needs require a majority of the total membership in each House of Parliament and a majority of not less than two-thirds of the members present and voting in each House of parliament.

PS: was the 1966 act passed with 2/3rd, it faced very similar issues as now

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 30 Jan 2014 23:36

Rony wrote: Pride of the Telugu people can't be decided in Delhi."

Political theatrics of highest order,

where was this pride when 371D was being enacted.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 30 Jan 2014 23:55

Amendment to Art 371D would be required and it can be done by majority of total members of Parliament and two thirds of present and voting.

368. Power of Parliament to amend the Constitution and procedure therefor.—
(1) Notwithstanding anything in this Constitution, Parliament may in exercise of its constituent power amend by way of addition, variation orrepeal any provision of this Constitution in accordance with the procedure laid down in this article.
(2) An amendment of this Constitution may be initiated only by the introduction of a Bill for the purpose in either House of Parliament, and when the Bill is passed in each House by a majority of the total membership of that House and by a majority of not less than two-thirds of the members of that House present and voting, it shall be presented to the President who shall give his assent to the Bill and thereupon the Constitution shall stand amended in accordance with the terms of the Bill:
Provided that if such amendment seeks to make any change in—(a) article 54, article 55, article 73, article 162 or article 241, or
(b) Chapter IV of Part V, Chapter V of Part VI, or Chapter I of Part XI, or
(c) any of the Lists in the Seventh Schedule, or
(d) the representation of States in Parliament, or
(e) the provisions of this article,
the amendment shall also require to be ratified by the Legislatures of not less than one-half of the States by resolutions to that effect passed by those Legislatures before the Bill making provision for such amendment is presented to the President for assent.
(3) Nothing in article 13 shall apply to any amendment made under this article.

[(4) No amendment of this Constitution (including the provisions of Part III) made or purporting to have been made under this article whether before or after the commencement of section 55 of the Constitution (Forty-second Amendment) Act, 1976] shall be called in question in any court on any ground.
(5) For the removal of doubts, it is hereby declared that there shall be no limitation whatever on the constituent power of Parliament to amend by way of addition, variation or repeal the provisions of this Constitution under this article.]

All states Reorganisation Acts are passed as an ordinary Bill in Parliament by Simple Majority.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 31 Jan 2014 03:05

Andhra assembly humiliates Congress, rejects Telangana bill

The Congress-dominated state assembly on Thursday rejected the Andhra Pradesh Reorganization Bill, 2103, brutally exposing the shrinking authority of the Congress leadership and raising for it the cost of the political gambit on Telangana.

The outcome of the voice vote on the resolution moved by chief minister-turned-rebel Kiran Kumar Reddy to oppose the central bill was not surprising. The 159 Seemandhra MLAs, predictably, voted for the resolution while the 119 drawn from Telangana remained arrayed against it. It will not have any bearing on the decision on the Centre which, under the Constitution, has the final say in creation of new states.

However, the UPA will still be required to muster sufficient numbers in Parliament: a requirement that will be hard to meet if its principal rival, the BJP, decides to pile on its agony by insisting that the Telangana bill be treated as a constitutional amendment bill. This will raise the bar to two-thirds in both Houses: a tough task at a time when UPA has lost the authority to rustle up the strength.

But what made the voice vote an extraordinary political event was the en mass defiance of the Congress high command's diktat by MLAs who are still paid up members of the party. While the CM had already unfurled the flag of rebellion, sources said Speaker Nadenla Manohar too joined in the anti-Telangana show. Parliamentary affairs minister S Sailajanath, sources said, collaborated with Seemandhra MLAs belonging to the rival TDP to ensure that MLAs from Telangana were not able to disrupt passage of the CM's anti-partition resolution.

Congress MPs from the Seemandhra region, sources said, were also involved in brokering the understanding with TDP.

This is an embarrassment enough for Congress in a state which was crucial for its wins in two straight Lok Sabha polls. But it should rankle even more because of the growing fear that the expected gains from Telangana may not be there to compensate the losses the party is set to suffer in Seemandhra region.

Although the Congress dismissed opinion polls predicting a debacle for it in the state as unreliable, senior party sources acknowledge off-the-record that the trend more or less tallies with their own feedback that they may not end up as the sole beneficiary of the "thanksgiving" vote in the Telangana region.

Party strategists reckoned that the decision to create Telangana would help them benefit at the expense of Telangana Rasthra Samiti. The trajectory drawn by psephologists suggest that the calculation may not come to pass, at least not in full.

The disappointment will deepen if the BJP insists that the reorganization bill be treated as a legislation aimed at amending the Constitution. The BJP has been among the original Telangana enthusiasts, and will be seen as obstructing statehood for a region where it has pockets of influence. However, it is under pressure from its likely ally N Chandrababu Naidu of Telugu Desam Party to calibrate its enthusiasm at least until Lok Sabha elections. Naidu has see-sawed over Telangana to settle for a position which opposes the central move without rejecting statehood for Telangana.

BJP has not announced its stand yet. Sources said with trends suggesting that it can get handsome returns from the state in partnership with Naidu, it may get tempted to nuance its position. The view that creation of Telangana will require rewriting Article 371D of the Constitution to ensure that people from the region continue to avail of preferential treatment they are guaranteed under the provision, is seen as legitimate. BJP can cite this to insist that the reorganization bill should clear the test prescribed for constitutional amendment bills if only to avert the delay likely to result from legal challenges on the ground of procedural infirmity.

Congress seems keen to ensure passage of the bill so that it can retrieve something from the remnants of its decade-long domination of power in the state with 42 Lok Sabha seats. However, sources concede that they cannot do much if the BJP insists on playing by the rule book and because of successful lobbying of smaller parties by both Naidu and Jaganmohan Reddy of YSR Congress. As a matter of fact, the activism during the last 10 sittings of the current Lok Sabha may only mark the party as the "villain" in Seemandhra without gains in Andhra Pradesh.

"Coming at a time when we are struggling to persuade DMK to revive the tie-up, and when our prospects are headed southwards in other states, the rejection of the bill in Hyderabad is disturbing and not merely for reasons of vanity," said a Congress source.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 31 Jan 2014 06:43

If it requires constitutional amendment, how can they not do it legally? Is this a democracy or mobocracy?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 31 Jan 2014 09:11

Telugu pride always goes out the window when interests of Kosta elites are put in jeopardy. Don't take that rhetoric as anything more than theatrics. It's the convenient emotional shtick to beat people up. that's all.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 31 Jan 2014 12:07

devesh wrote:Telugu pride always goes out the window when interests of Kosta elites are put in jeopardy. Don't take that rhetoric as anything more than theatrics. It's the convenient emotional shtick to beat people up. that's all.

Pot calling kettle black.

Yes, yes, some how raising telangana "emotion" is honourable while raising telugu pride isnt.

When Sri Krishna comission came out and gave a point by point fact rebuttal of all economic or regional disparity logics, no one forgot that the only point raised was logic and facts are not important, only telangana emotion is important.

both sides are the same. political unemployeds on one side and political wannabes on other side.

Let me make a prediction from my behind, the forces being unleashed will harm telangana and infact an extra iteration of defeating those forces will be required.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Feb 2014 05:51

What telangana pride? Please tell me where you find this mythical telangana pride that I am propounding? Pride is not the emotional reason at all. Never was. Never will be. You actually think this whole thing is about pride? It has nothing to do with pride. This whole pride business is the hallmark of kosta elite language. As it happened in the past, when the elite interests are threatened there is no pride vide.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 01 Feb 2014 06:52

What is the likelihood that this bill will pass in the parliament?

Does UPA have numbers to pass the bill if BJP does not vote for it? What about Rajya sabha?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Feb 2014 07:14

vivek.rao wrote:What is the likelihood that this bill will pass in the parliament?

Does UPA have numbers to pass the bill if BJP does not vote for it? What about Rajya sabha?

It will pass if congress wants it. If it did not pass or not introduced or withdrawn etc will be only if it does not want. See Nuke bill, food security bill it did pass. It has not will power and hence women reservation bill did not pass.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 01 Feb 2014 07:24

UPA govt hopes to make Andhra split one of the quickest in India's history

The Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government has told the home ministry to split Andhra Pradesh as soon as President Pranab Mukherjee gives his assent to the law rather than wait for mother state Andhra Pradesh and proposed Telangana to work out the nitty-gritties of the division.

"The law to create a state comes into effect only on the date notified by the government," a government official said.

When Uttarakhand, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand were created in 2000, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led National Democratic Alliance government had given them 69 to 85 days to complete the basic formalities relating to the split including transfer of employees from the undivided states.

The quickest split – after the passage of the legislation – so far is Gujarat (Bombay state was bifurcated to create Gujarat and Maharashtra in 1960), which was formed within five days of parliamentary approval and presidential assent. A senior official said they had a similar deadline in mind for Telangana, which will be India's 29th state after its formation.

This would mean that the process to earmark even the All India Service officers would not be completed on the date when the division takes place. The Congress is determined to complete the process before the Election Commission starts the process to hold the 2014 general elections.

Home minister Sushilkumar Shinde said the Telangana bill would certainly be passed during Parliament's resumed winter session.

"There will be no problem," he told reporters. The session is expected to be wrapped up by February 21, leaving it open for the EC to announce the polls by February-end or first week of March.

The Andhra Pradesh assembly on Thursday had rejected the Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Bill of 2013 meant for granting statehood to the Telangana region. But the Centre hopes to put the legislation up for parliamentary approval when the winter session resumes on February 5.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Feb 2014 09:48

Rony wrote:UPA govt hopes to make Andhra split one of the quickest in India's history

If this goes this way, a lot to tell about INC-Seemandhra politicos. Just sitting on and on and on telling folks that they are so great and will stop it from happening.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 01 Feb 2014 16:05

If BJP wants to stall the bill, perfect excuse... Target SONIA for inquiry for a role in the scandals.

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Target’ closest advisers of Sonia Gandhi for VVIP chopper deal, key middleman told AgustaWestland

The March 2008 note, which has been sent by the elusive Christian Michel to Peter Hulett, the then Head of Region, Govt Sales at the AgustaWestland India office, is one of the many documents that Italian investigators seized from the office of Switzerland based middleman Guido Haschke who is currently facing trial in the case of alleged 51 million euro kickbacks generated in the Indian VVIP chopper deal.

“As Mrs Gandhi is the driving force behind the VIP, she will not fly any more in the Mi 8. Mrs Gandhi and her closest advisers are the people the High Commissioner should target,” the note reads. Mi 8′s are the current VIP role choppers flown by the air force. The document has been produced by prosecutors as part of their questioning of Guido Haschke. In January, as reported by The Indian Express, they also asked Haschke in court if the reference to an abbreviation of AP in a ‘budget sheet’ of the middlemen referred to Gandhi’s key aide Ahmed Patel. Italian newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano has also reported that the prosecutors produced a photograph of Sonia Gandhi and Ahmed Patel during the hearing to question Haschke but the middlemen said that he only recognised Gandhi from the picture.

The note, a copy of which is with The Indian Express, also goes on to list the seven advisers that Michel feels should be ‘targeted’ by the British High Commissioner. The names listed are Manmohan Singh, Ahmed Patel, Pranab Mukherjee, Veerappa Moily, Oscar Fernandes, M K Narayanan and Vinay Singh.