Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

chandrasekhar.m · Post by **chandrasekhar.m** » 21 Apr 2014 05:51

"Terrorist Pakjabi Armies and their Oppressed Colonies(from Partition)"
"Terrorist Pakjabi Colonial Empire"

To indicate that the area known as Pakistan on the map is not a nation but really a terrorist empire that still continues colonialism for its own survival.
I also wanted to link the thread name to Partition in some way to indicate that things have not improved for those colonies even after that.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2014 05:54

Peregrine wrote: 2. Insults to the armed forces
Cheers

Nice - an army apologist gets his knickers in a twist. The army in Pakistan attacks civilians using artillery and the air force, the army fails to assist non military entities in bringing law and order, but they want to maintain their honor and dignity?

This article sounds like the forewarning of a coup - but I doubt if a coup can occur.

There are a some mysteries that intrigue me. The status of Pakhtuns in the Paki army is one. I am talking about rank and file from areas that are being bombed.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2014 05:55

Pakistani Punjabi Kablia and its colonies?

I suggest we start off with an interim name that may not be the best - and let ideas for a thread name evolve over the next 1-2 iterations of this thread. the first post can remain the same although I lost some of the stuff I had myself put in that first post when I closed an account. But old is old - we need not worry about that - those posts were made in an era when we were more pseudosecular

chandrasekhar.m · Post by **chandrasekhar.m** » 21 Apr 2014 06:07

^^^ shiv saar, that's a good idea. This thread will reach its 72 in a day or two. Perhaps it can be locked and new thread opened with the new name.

Kabila is an apt description, though I wonder if all will understand the meaning. The first post should mention the reason for choosing that. Or maybe one of tribe/tribal empire/terrorist tribe can be used beside kabila in parentheses.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2014 06:24

The list below is that of hazara (shia) dead in Quetta since 1985

There are 23 names from 1985 to 2001

There are about 400 names from 2001 to 2011. About 180 are in the 2010-2011 period alone.

http://www.hazarapeople.com/wp-content/ ... ep2011.pdf

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2014 06:25

chandrasekhar.m wrote:^^^ shiv saar, that's a good idea. This thread will reach its 72 in a day or two. Perhaps it can be locked and new thread opened with the new name.

Kabila is an apt description, though I wonder if all will understand the meaning. The first post should mention the reason for choosing that. Or maybe one of tribe/tribal empire/terrorist tribe can be used beside kabila in parentheses.

Yes I do worry about the word kabila which is familiar only to BRFites. But we must start somewhere and refine the title with time.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2014 06:48

Sunni Halal Islamist Terrorist Tribe Pakistan= Contain Shit,Tribe & Pakistan.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 21 Apr 2014 07:12

A Pakistani, a mosque and an unattended child - what can you expect?

Pakistani accused of sexually assaulting an 11-yr-old Indian boy inside Dubai's mosque

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2014 07:44

Fellows, some interesting observations about Hamid Mir episode.

Apparently GEO ran a program with his brother accusing ISI of orchestrating the attack. And showed Zaheerul Islam's (DG-ISI) photo. Apparently that has struck a raw nerve. The blowback has varied from the blatant to subtle. Mubashir luqman a talk show loonie has questioned how come 2 motorcycles and 1 car followed Hamid Mir, shot at him and he didnt die? How come he wasnt shot in the head and only lower body? And has helpfully concluded just like the Malala drama, this too was a staged drame to attract publicity

Someone should offer him their services to make him equally famous

While the unwashed types outright question whether the attack happened at all, the polished types are warning everyone to not disrupt the "civil-military balance" and "narrative hijacking". Which pretty much means "please dont antagonize the ISI else they will come after all of us".

Dawn is running "soft stories" on how TFTAs serve the country and how hurt they feel when people question them. Some kind of paid publicity.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 21 Apr 2014 08:32

The brother's comment is quite a surprise as it came immediately after the shooting. This further establishes his past connections with the agency and assorted other ununiformed jiahdis Hamid has been in touch with. There could be some falling out of some type. Considering that there is tension between the army chief and ISI-chief which is quite unthinkable, it is quite likely that he was to be used for some leakages and gain advantage (which side he was to play does not matter). The soft stories in the Dawn and various other sides praising the TFTA uniformed jihadis are an indication that the uniformed jihadis are in need of some PR at this stage. A coup has not happened yet and they need not assure the abduls of anything.
Something may have already happened in the deep. Rest all could be just fallout.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2014 08:42

Jhujar wrote:Sunni Halal Islamist Terrorist Tribe Pakistan= Contain Shit,Tribe & Pakistan.

Jhujar - I have no objections to funny/rude acronyms but some members seem to find them offensive. That surprises me because we are talking about Pakistan and I cannot see any need for not having an expressive name just because the acronym is rude. We seem to manage well with RAPE and BENIS - it was actually PENIS originally - but everyone has a right to his feelings.

I liked Sridhar's Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan, but some people got upset with the acronym.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Apr 2014 08:44

I find it difficult to believe this "Tension between ISI chief and Army Chief" as reported in a Paki newspaper. The Army/ISI are extremely good in maintaining a solid facade and I would dismiss that story as nonsense. That news item was a long boring account of some meeting with a side reference to some speculative tension.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Apr 2014 09:00

Anindya wrote:A Pakistani, a mosque and an unattended child - what can you expect?

Pakistani accused of sexually assaulting an 11-yr-old Indian boy inside Dubai's mosque

Court in the UAE on Sunday adjourned till April 27 the hearing in a case relating to the attempted sexual assault on an 11-year-old Indian boy in a mosque in Dubai.A Pakistani technician, 57, identified only as DDK, has been accused of raping the boy in a mosque's washroom Jan 9 this year, Gulf News reported.The suspect took the boy to the washroom and then removed his trousers, the court heard.When the defendant was about to have s*x with the boy, the boy managed to open the door and escaped from the washroom of the mosque in Souq Al Hamriya, the newspaper report said.The defendant, however, denied the charge before the Dubai Court of First Instance Sunday.He contended that he only slapped the boy inside the washroom, where he was performing the ablution or washing himself before the prayers.The boy's father testified to the prosecutors that the boy was terrified following the incident.The matter was reported to the police immediately by the victim's father.The accused was arrested after the victim's father spotted him near the mosque.The boy also admitted that the defendant offered him money if he allowed him to have s*x with him.The prosecution appealed to the court to impose a life sentence on the defendant.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Apr 2014 10:28

Arab royal hunts down 2,100 houbara bustards in three week safari
http://www.dawn.com/news/1101272

A Saudi prince has poached over 2,100 internationally protected houbara bustards in 21-day hunting safari in Chagai, Balochistan, during which the royal also indulged in illegal hunting in protected areas, says a report.

during the 21-day safari the prince hunted the birds for 15 days in the reserved and protected areas, poached birds in other areas for six days and took rest for two days.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Apr 2014 10:40

Special units to respond if Taliban restart bombings

LAHORE - Special units of the security services will take out the militants in the tribal belt through targeted operations if outlawed Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) restarts any aggressive armed campaign against the state, The Nation has learnt.

Well-placed sources told this correspondent on Sunday that that government was pursuing back-channel efforts to reach a negotiated settlement with the TTP, however in case of failure special units of the security services would neutralise all the militant elements.

A senior government peace committee member told The Nation that next few days would decide the fate of TTP talks. He was of the opinion that main reason behind Taliban refusal to extend the ceasefire was to cover their internal differences, which surfaced after the fighting in South Waziristan for territorial control between two groups – one of whom supports talks with government while other is opposed to it.

When asked if the government with the support of security services was using some other channels for pursuing the peace process with Taliban, he said, “I don’t know. But the government can pursue other means, while I am always available to the government for playing my role.”

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Apr 2014 10:42

‘Militants’ kidnap three relatives of slain ANP leader

PESHAWAR: Suspected militants kidnapped three relatives of a slain leader of Awami National Party (ANP) from Mashokhel, a suburban area of provincial metropolis, early on Sunday, sources said.

Mian Mushtaq Ahmed, the ANP leader, was shot dead along with his driver and a party worker on January 12 when he was going to Hayatabad from his native village Mashokhel.

Sources said that three cousins of the slain ANP leader were asleep in their hujra when a group of militants armed with sophisticated weapons attacked them. All the three persons identified as Mian Shabeer, Mian Fahad and Mian Shakeel were kidnapped and the hujra was blown up with explosives and hand grenades, they added.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Apr 2014 10:49

Foreign policy: Senators concerned over ‘movement of non-state actors to Syria’

ISLAMABAD: Members of the upper house of parliament on Friday called for an end to confusion in Pakistan’s relation with its neighbouring countries as they expressed concern over the alleged movement of non-state actors from Pakistan to Syria.

Speaking on a motion moved by PPP Senator Raza Rabbani, Senator Farhatullah Babar called for ending random multiplicity in foreign policy formulation and stressed the need for retrieving the ground lost by the civilians to the security establishment over the past decades.

“A serious rethink of policy formulation is called for in the light of realities emerging as a result of political transition taking place in Pakistan’s neighbourhood in the last one year including China, Iran and now in Afghanistan and India,” he said.

Referring to the Article 40 of the Constitution, he said it laid the basis for foreign policy formulation. “If we want to adhere to it, we must break alleged links with any Afghan insurgents and stop the ability of Afghan fighters to seek refuge in Pakistan,” he said.

“Although the government has stated umpteen times that Pakistan will not take sides in the Syrian civil war and troops and weapons will not be sent to the aid of rebels, there were lingering suspicions that non-state actors are being encouraged to move to Syria and the Middle East with weapons,” he said.
Pointing out a recent interview of the Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, who stated that if people went to Bahrain and Syria then it should be seen as an employee-employer relationship and had nothing to do with the government.

He warned that by taking the employee-employer relationship to this extent, Pakistan would be sucked into another Afghanistan, this time in the Middle East.
Senator Afrasiab Khattak said the geo-political realities were changing and Pakistan’s relations with all its neighbours had declined.

He claimed that there were militants, who had travelled to Syria, adding that these events were damaging the image of Pakistan and belittling our as no more than mercenaries.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Apr 2014 10:53

Khursheed sees steady exit for Musharraf

LAHORE - Opposition leader in the National Assembly Syed Khursheed Shah sees Musharraf’s arrival in Karachi a first step towards his ultimate departure for some foreign land.

Talking to the media on his arrival at the Lahore Airport on Sunday, he said that Musharraf would ultimately leave the country but things would move steadily in that direction.

“It is like riding a ladder. One step after another takes you to the top”, he remarked while commenting on reports of Musharraf’s likely departure for some other country in the near future.

He added: “If Musharraf leaves abroad from Karachi, the responsibility would be shifted on to the provincial government of Sindh”.

As predicted on BRF.

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 21 Apr 2014 10:53

Name suggestion: Jihadistan

Pak Punjab: Inner Jihadistan

Capital city: Jihadabad

Lahore: Jihadpur

Karachi: Jihadbandar

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 21 Apr 2014 11:07

Imploding Islamic Terror Infested Area called Pakistan - IITIAP

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 21 Apr 2014 11:33

Sexual Attempt on Indian Boy in Dubai Mosque by a Pakistani

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A Pakistani technician, 57, identified only as DK, has been accused of raping the boy in a mosque's washroom Jan 9 this year, Gulf News reported.

The suspect took the boy to the washroom and then removed his trousers, the court heard.

When the defendant was about to have sex with the boy, the boy managed to open the door and escaped from the washroom of the mosque in Souq Al Hamriya, the newspaper report said.
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The boy also admitted that the defendant offered him money if he allowed him to have sex with him.

The prosecution appealed to the court to impose a life sentence on the defendant.
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Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Apr 2014 12:27

Things are slowing down in Pakistan, this thread has taken 3 months and 17 days to get close to 72

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 21 Apr 2014 12:39

X-post

OT....As I wrote in the Pakistan thread, Before partition the Ashrafs ruled Indian Muslims through the Muslim league. After partition since the umma has been divided amongst three countries. Ashrafs have lost the power in Pakistan to the Pakjabis, and hold the power only in parts of India. After partition, there was a power shift in the subcontinental muslim leadership ( exemplified by Fatima Jinnah's loss to Ayub and MQM's rise in Pak ). This is why we had muslims from India telling Mush that they are happier in India and would prefer Pakistan leaving them to their devices. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=951iB8zW_wE)

Ashrafs can dream of their glory days of the past, but the fact is that other communities within the
muslims are not going to hand back power to them on a platter..I think we should look at the Muslim votebank / Ashraf angle on a case by case basis in India. It is valid in Hyderabad and parts of UP but not in other parts. It is not applicable in Bihar as per Sanku's post.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 21 Apr 2014 12:49

Raja Ram wrote:Imploding Islamic Terror Infested Area called Pakistan - IITIAP

Like this. Minor play on this name to make it little shorter:

Imploding Islamic Terror Area of Pakistan (IITAP)

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 21 Apr 2014 13:12

Dilbu wrote:............
LAHORE - Opposition leader in the National Assembly Syed Khursheed Shah sees Musharraf’s arrival in Karachi a first step towards his ultimate departure for some foreign land.
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“It is like riding a ladder. One step after another takes you to the top”, he remarked...........
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What a coincidence, one step after another on a ladder can also take you closer to the hangman's noose.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Apr 2014 13:26

Anindya wrote:A Pakistani, a mosque and an unattended child - what can you expect?

Pakistani accused of sexually assaulting an 11-yr-old Indian boy inside Dubai's mosque

Anindya Ji :

All the man from the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorists was trying to do was Inserting Noor with Religious Fervour - after all it was within the Mosque Precinct - into the young boy!

Cheers

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 21 Apr 2014 13:29

putnanja wrote:Sexual Attempt on Indian Boy in Dubai Mosque by a Pakistani

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A Pakistani technician, 57, identified only as DK, has been accused of raping the boy in a mosque's washroom..
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The boy also admitted that the defendant offered him money if he allowed him to have sex with him.
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Jo Pakistan me paki, wo Dubai me bhi Pakistani.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Apr 2014 13:34

Baikul wrote:{quote="Dilbu"}............
LAHORE - Opposition leader in the National Assembly Syed Khursheed Shah sees Musharraf’s arrival in Karachi a first step towards his ultimate departure for some foreign land.
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“It is like riding a ladder. One step after another takes you to the top”, he remarked........... {/quote}......
What a coincidence, one step after another on a ladder can also take you closer to the hangman's noose.

noose for civilians onlee (old jungle saying)

cooked goose ( or prized hoobara bustard stomach lining ) for the army mooch wallas

Mark my words, his royal musharaff will be back in India, wined, dined and feted by our WKKs and talking down abusively to one and all on the cashmere settlement

partha · Post by **partha** » 21 Apr 2014 13:55

http://www.dawn.com/news/1101216/ji-wan ... -ceasefire

“The JI is struggling to enforce Islamic laws. It is an Islamic country and Shariah should be imposed. Some people are living in a fool’s paradise and want to make the country a secular state, but it will not be possible. The Muslims sacrificed their lives and property for an Islamic state, not for a secular state,” he said.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Apr 2014 14:39

Allama Iqbal’s Mausoleum Closed for Citizens due to Security Threats

It was recently reported from Lahore that the 76th death ceremony of the national poet, Allama Iqbal, could not be held due to security threats received by the security forces.

Recently there have been several events where the security forces have received confirmed information regarding a certain incident, and a bomb blast has taken place. Therefore, in order to avoid the risk, the security forces decided to absolutely ban entry from the public site.

In fact, there were two other places where the security forces decided to impede and stated that the entry will be banned. These places included Quaid E Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s Mausoleum and Minar E Pakistan.

Sources claim that there have been impending threats by the terrorists regarding these few public places; however, no one currently knows as to who is forwarding these threats to the authorities.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Apr 2014 14:42

Two women hurt in Chaman blast

QUETTA – At least two women wounded in an explosion occurred in Chaman city of Balochistan province on Monday.

The explosion took place in front of main gate of Cantt area of the city. The site is near office of the Deputy Commissioner, officials said. The local made bomb was planted in motor cycle parked on City Road, local police said.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Apr 2014 14:46

Provinces of Sunni Terrorists - Pakistan (abbreviated as POST-Pak)

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Apr 2014 14:59

The writer is a retired Brig and a defence anal cyst.
Pakistan should stand on its own economic feet

Both Musharraf regime, which initiated the Global War on Terror (GWOT) and Zardari regime which furthered it served foreign agenda at the cost of national interests and people of Pakistan. In 12 years, Pakistan received a paltry amount of $10 billion from USA, large part of which was CSF, meant to pay for services acquired/rendered. In exchange Pakistan incurred a loss of $80 billion in fighting the insane war.

Pakistani leadership remained so infatuated to USA and obsessed with the US imposed war that they shut their eyes to the double game played by the so-called friends of Pakistan. USA, India and Afghanistan, supposed to be the allies of Pakistan in the GWOT, kept heaping scorn and baseless allegations on Pakistan's premier institutions and stabbed Pakistan in the back whenever opportunity came their way. Military standoff with India in 2001/02 and in 2008/09, presence of Blackwater in federal/provincial capitals of the country, Raymond Davis incident, US Navy Seals raid in Abbottabad and brutal attack on Salala check post in 2011 coupled with malicious misinformation campaign by Indo-US-Western media maligning Pakistan on cooked up charges, US discriminatory behavior and its refusal to stop drone attacks didn't open the eyes of our rulers. Washington's repeated slaps and insults didn't bring any change in their subservient deportment. A friendly wink or a warm handshake with a promise of another installment of aid made our leaders ecstatic and they promptly geared up to do more.

The whole world knows that both India and Afghanistan are heavily involved in covert operations against Pakistan since 2002 using Afghan soil. Late Balach Marri and Brahamdagh Bugti were sheltered by Afghan government. Fugitives Fazlullah, Khalid Omar Khurasani and Faqir Muhammad are enjoying the hospitality of Afghan government since 2009. Kunar and Nuristan are their safe havens from where they are launching their militants since 2011. Not for once the US has admonished the two countries involved in cross border terrorism, or any concern shown on the sanctuaries. It has looked the other way to over 70 training camps established by RAW and RAAM under the supervision of Afghan National Directorate of Security along Pak-Afghan border to train, equip and launch terrorists into FATA and Balochistan. Indian Embassy and four Consulates latched with 14 Indian intelligence units in Afghanistan are entirely focused towards Pakistan.

Well knowing that India is the arch enemy of Pakistan and she keeps conspiring to breakup Pakistan, the US bolstered India's conventional defence capability significantly and also upgraded her nuclear capability by signing civil nuclear deal. Heavy tilt in the military balance in her favor has made India more aggressive and uncompromising. The US helped India in consolidating her presence in Afghanistan thereby facilitating her plans to encircle Pakistan. India's water terrorism aimed at forcing Pakistan to give up Kashmir is jeopardizing the lives of 180 million Pakistanis. Illegal construction of dams has not been objected to by the west.

Until and unless Pakistan get rid of US imposed war, reforms its political, judicial, financial and administrative systems, enforces rule of law and strict accountability of the law breakers, terrorists and criminals, strap up out-of-control media, breaks the begging bowl and stands on its own economic feet, it will remain dependant and vulnerable to exploitation and fragmentation .

Only the last line makes sense. To sell that line to the hrdes of unwashed he has to write up all the crap listed above blaming CIA-RAA and what not. Such is the state of crapistan society and they want to blame others.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 21 Apr 2014 15:08

I just remembered. any news of kidnapped Ali Haider Gilani? Tried searching google but no help.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 21 Apr 2014 15:34

Two gunned down in Peshawar

Peshawar- Two persons were killed when unknown armed men opened fire in the vegetable market in Chamkani area of Peshawar today morning.

According to the police, unidentified gunmen opened fire in the vegetable market on Inqelab Road in Peshawar that killed two persons and injured another. The bodies and injured were shifted to the hospital nearby. Police started investigation and have also arrested a suspect from the area.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 21 Apr 2014 15:38

(Paki) IT ministry can’t afford (Paki) IT experts
Its the PITs!

The Ministry of Information Technology (MoIT) cannot afford to keep IT professionals on its payroll and has taken on schoolteachers and forest officials to manage its affairs.

There is a severe dearth of IT experts at the ministry and most of the staff there are administrative officers.

Ghansham Das, originally an officer of the forest department in Sindh, is on deputation to the MoIT and is currently working as assistant chief of development.

A RAAAAA agent! No wonder. PIT is being undermined from within its ranks.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 21 Apr 2014 15:43

His Master's Voice calleth. PM to ‘leave’ for Saudi Arabia today

Nawaz Sharif is likely to leave for Saudi Arabia on Monday (today) for an unscheduled visit to the kingdom

Sharif would seek more financial support

He would not say for how may days the prime minister would be staying in the Gulf state

Sharif must use this opportunity to protest the killings of 1200 bustards. "I remember clearly I had said, you excellency can kill 1200 ba$tard$, not bustards. Peasants, not pheasants!!".

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 21 Apr 2014 17:00

IB4TL

brat · Post by **brat** » 21 Apr 2014 17:04

IB$TL

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 21 Apr 2014 17:12

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 72265.html

Saudi Arabia is giving $3bn – yes, £2bn, and now let’s have done with exchange rates – to the Pakistani government of Nawaz Sharif. But what is it for? Pakistani journalists have been told not to ask this question. Then, when they persisted, they were told that Saudi generosity towards their fellow Sunni Muslim brothers emerged from the “personal links” between the Prime Minister and the monarchy in Riyadh.