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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 07 Apr 2014 20:02
by UlanBatori
Cool pic of the Pinger Locator Carrier. Look at the helicopter deck on that! In a good strong wind it can become a hydroplane vessel!

The first detection lasted two hours and 20 minutes, and the second lasted 13 minutes. The vessel is continuing to monitor the area to relocate the signal.
But what I find most impressive is how fast the Pinger has moved! Look at the distance covered between "ping April 5" and "pings April 6". That Pinger Locator has been re-locating the pingers pretty fast, hain?

BTW, with a helicopter deck that big, and the weather clear, I hope they can fly a lot of helicopter sorties carrying towed sonar etc.

At the rate at which it is moving, the pinger-re-locator should reach Japan by the end of the week. Then a trip down south into the Marianas trench..

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 07 Apr 2014 23:02
by harbans
Maybe the ELT/ blackbox has been swallowed by a whale as it was descending the depths. Now the whale is travelling all over the SIO with Adm Yu Ping and team trying hard to track..

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 07 Apr 2014 23:53
by Theo_Fidel
^^ :rotfl:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 00:01
by saip
Looks like the pinger locators are highly sophisticated devices or so the CNN would have us believe. They have been repeatedly saying that US technology is being used to located these pingers. One question though is how come the manufacturer of the pinger does not make these locators?

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 07:26
by Philip
The "orgasmic moment" is near.All firang sources,from the Malysians to the westerners are preparing everyone for the "aaaah!" moment,or whatever sounds are emanated by the search teams! This silly game is being played out to the very last hours of battery life supposedly left in the black box,to increase the suspense.In all probability,the box is already secured! The nuclear sub that arrived a week ago most probably responsible for the sounds and delivery of the box.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... in-hussein
'Black box signals' raise hope of finding MH370 in days – Malaysian minister
Hishammuddin Hussein cautiously hopeful of positive developments in hunt for plane 'in next few days, if not hours'

(Curious statement)
'Black box signals' raise hope of finding MH370 in days – Malaysian minister
Hishammuddin Hussein cautiously hopeful of positive developments in hunt for plane 'in next few days, if not hours'

Tania Branigan in Beijing and Paul Farrell in Sydney
theguardian.com, Monday 7 April 2014

Link to video: Potential black box signals are 'most promising lead' in MH370 search

The hunt for the missing flight MH370 could see positive developments "in the next few days, if not hours", Malaysia's transport minister has said after an Australian vessel twice detected signals consistent with transmissions from the beacons on a black box.

Hishammuddin Hussein told reporters in Kuala Lumpur he was "cautiously hopeful" of good news in the international search for MH370, now in its 31st day. But he stressed it was not yet possible to confirm a link to the missing plane.

The aircraft's flight data and cockpit voice recorders are certified to emit signals for just 30 days after a crash, although experts say they might continue to do so for up to two weeks more.

Earlier, the Australian official overseeing co-ordination of the search in the southern Indian ocean described the latest information from the Ocean Shield as "very encouraging".

Angus Houston, head of the joint agency co-ordination centre, said the naval vessel had twice detected a signal in the northern part of the search area – first for two hours and 20 minutes, and then for 13 minutes. The vessel is continuing to monitor the area to relocate the signal.

"I can report some very encouraging information which has unfolded over the last 24 hours. The towed pinger locator deployed from the Australian vessel Ocean Shield has detected signals," he said.

"Significantly, this would be consistent with transmissions from both the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder."

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 07:59
by A_Gupta
^^^I hope all CTers realize that if Khan is covering up something, they can just as easily cover up what is in the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 08:26
by ramana
UB and AG, The new pinger frequency is 33.3Khz vs design of 37.5Khz +/- 1Khz

And CNN experts were saying waves and thermal layers could distort the freq! I thought they can distort signal strength but not its nature.

I think its a different pinger.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 08:31
by Vayutuvan
Thermal layer would distort the frequency too, If I am not wrong.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 08:34
by Vayutuvan
A_Gupta wrote:^^^I hope all CTers realize that if Khan is covering up something, they can just as easily cover up what is in the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder.
Those two cover ups are not mutually exclusive. There may be even a high positive correlation. IOW, if they are covering up one the probability is high that they would cover up the other. If they are not covering up one then the probability is low that they are covering up the other.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 14:42
by harbans
Ping chart:

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 16:53
by UlanBatori
UBCNews: Ping Pong Moves To Hong Kong

We are suggesting that the search move to the Marianas Trench.

BTW, about these pings hundreds of miles apart within 2 days:
Remember the 2004 tsunami? After it slammed the East Coast of India, the wave travelled on. Why was there a tsunami on the WEST Coast, hours later? Other than a general sloshing of the IO, one explanation is that the wave reflected off the Lakshdveep Ridge, which extends from the latitude of central Kerala all the way down to Diego Garcia and maybe even south.

Likewise, a Ping coming off one depth may bounce off a deep ocean ridge and be heard somewhere else: just a guess. Other than of course, an Orange Box getting dropped from a Search helicopter or plane, and being swallowed by a whale. Or the box just being taken around in a fishing boat or container ship.

BUT.. let us all give thanks to the heroic Search Effort of PAKMARSAT, Bilayati Poodle Echo, the PeeAllSee's Department of Science, Plopaganda and Website Postings, submarines, the 20 People's Satellites, the USN's various Destroyers, Guided Missile Frigates, Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear Submarines That Can Stay On Station For Six Months, the Cargo Vessel Wee Ping, Admiral Ping Yu, the Australian PM, the Malaysian Defense Minister+PM's Cousin, etc etc.

And Let Us Give Thanks for JUST before their batteries died out, BOTH the cockpit voice recorder and the Black Box pinged-pinged for 1.5 minutes to the PeeAllSee Boat of Admiral Yu Ping, and then flew 600 km to ping for 2 hours and then for 13 minutes at the Australian ship carrying the AMERICAN PingLocator. How fortunate!!! :eek:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 19:36
by Harpal Bector
http://jakartagreater.com/perisai-pertahanan-indonesia

TNI-AU radar coverage map.

Also did not realize the PRC ships detected difference frequency signals than AUS ships.

Attenuation should ~ 10dB. so about 10x lower. Not sure why anything should shift frequency by 4 kHz.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 20:20
by member_28502
UB wrote:And Let Us Give Thanks for JUST before their batteries died out, BOTH the cockpit voice recorder and the Black Box pinged-pinged for 1.5 minutes to the PeeAllSee Boat of Admiral Yu Ping, and then flew 600 km to ping for 2 hours and then for 13 minutes at the Australian ship carrying the AMERICAN PingLocator. How fortunate!!!
But isn't it how ping pong is played from one court of HM Aus Navy to Middle Kingdom Tent?

Now its

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Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 21:23
by Theo_Fidel
It is much more likely the signal is a stray emission from one of the dozens of ships floating in that area. This was a problem that bedeviled the search for the Air France pingers. The Air France pingers were never found. On one of the boards an unidentified person claimed that even the dish washer on the ship set off the ping locator. The ship had to go dead in the water to give them their best chance apparently.

The key control would be to float the ping locator a 100 miles away and see if it still picks up the signal. if it does then it must be coming from the ship and is spurious.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 00:01
by ramana
From the experts on CNN the impression I got is the black box has sonic tone generator with a freqeuncy of 37.5Khz +/-1 Khz. Its calibrated in the factory before its shipped out. It makes a regular tick tick sound. Teh way to hear it is to use a passive hydrophone /sound sensor.

Now frequency changes only with Doppler shift and not by much.

The detected signal was 33.3Khz. Atleast ~3 Khz below the tolerance setting of the BB pinger.

I think its a different pinger than the BB pinger. Could be an old Nazi/Soviet era flotsam or some underwater navigational aid.

So how is the dish washer setting off pinger frequencies. I think a lot of tribal lore is being passed off as expert opinion.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 01:51
by A_Gupta
The frequency of the sound detected from the ship was 33 kilohertz, which is below the 37.5 kilohertz the pingers are designed to emit... A failing battery or damage to the unit may cause a frequency shift, Anish Patel, president of Dukane Seacom, a unit of Hollywood, Florida-based Heico Corp. (HEI) and the maker of the pinger, said in an interview.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-0 ... other.html

An account of a phone interview with aforementioned Anish Patel:
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog ... 70may.html

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 02:00
by UlanBatori
But consider that the Ping Emitter was moving fast enough to cover 600km in a day - maybe after going around the whole Duniya. So Doplar Shipht must have been many kilohertz. :eek:

Or the Pinger may have been on a Saterrite. Moves very fast. When I watch James Bond movies, saterrites always make such noise - ping! ping!

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 02:17
by Suraj
Here's are some recent discussions on the topic I saw on pprune:
* Pinger frequency difference is not a big deal. The AF447 FDR/CVR pinger generated 34KHz using new batteries after it was fished out of the water.
* The Chinese pinger information was not recorded. They claimed to have heard it. The US/Australian pinger find was recorded. Further, the Chinese claim to have used 'handheld recorders'. Various theories have be stated regarding this:
- The Chinese are BSing for domestic consumption, fortuitously right before the Aussies reported their find.
- They heard their own pinger
- They heard the Aussies/US heard somethnig and decided to one up on the news.

Overall, little credibility is being attached to the Chinese location claim, as it is distracting, with the search primarily focused on where the US/Aussies recorded the pings.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 02:49
by ramana
UB, The pinger is called underwater locator beacon(ULB). ULBs are triggered by water immersion; most emit an ultrasonic 10ms pulse once per second at 37.5 kHz ± 1kHz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_locator_beacon

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its mounted on the Continuous Voice Recorder (CVR).
Research by the French Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la Sécurité de l'Aviation Civile (BEA) has shown that it has had an 90% survival rate spanning 27 air accidents over the sea.[4] The ULBs fitted in Air France Flight 447, which crashed on 1 June 2009, were certified to transmit on 37.5 kHz for minimum 30 days at 4°C temperature. Investigating the crash, the BEA recommended that FDR ULBs' transmission period be increased to 90 days and that "airplanes performing public transport flights over maritime areas to be equipped with an additional ULB capable of transmitting on a frequency (for example between 8.5 kHz and 9.5 kHz) and for a duration adapted to the pre-localisation of wreckage" (i.e. with increased range).[5]
Looks like the good advice was not implemented.

Dukane ULB data sheet

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 02:56
by ramana
What I don't get is if its RC circuit to generate the 37.5Khz how does battery life or damage reduce the frequency? To me it looks ruggedly mounted and even if it breaks off its still in the cylinder.
Are they claiming that crash damage could alter the R or C of the circuit? I guess they have a switching IC to be the timer.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 03:06
by Philip
Two CTs ,both involving DG.One that the aircraft was on a suicide mission there,the second that an ex-MH 777 was purchased earlier by a co. and sent to Israel....Long video clip.Enjoy both here.The MH ad in the second in the link is hilarious!

#1.Flight 370 Mystery SOLVED! Israel & US Have It At Diego Garcia Along With MH370 Replica Plane PROOF (Video)
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-the ... 61636.html

#2.Why is the World’s Media Attention Focused AWAY from Diego Garcia? – Deleted Message Says 370 was a Bomb Aimed at the US Military Base there…
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-the ... n-focused-
away-from-diego-garcia-deleted-message-says-370-was-a-bomb-aimed-at-the-us-military-base-there-2461618.html
Monday, April 7, 2014 23:39
Just after the following story was copied on Monday, April 7 it was deleted before our eyes after it got about 100 Facebook likes in 10 minutes!!
DEAFENING SILENCE
The mainstream media regards every single source, substantiated or not, as a great revelation.about the disappearance of Malaysian Flight 370.
But for those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia?

Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.”
With one notable exception, B4IN’s reporter “Wake up America” who gave us pictures of underwater installations there
So one or two investigative journos dig while CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBC, BBC, CTV and all the rest of the Western media are prepared to spout off theories without any solid confirmation so long as Diego Garcia isn’t featured…
News from the East, however, does include Diego Garcia.. emirates247.com/news/mh370-announcement-in-hours-still-coming
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? – A “PROPHETIC” AIR MALAYSIA AD FROM 2011…

This story is from a source who wishes to remain unidentified but who comes from a three decade long background of exposing secrets the elite one percent and the military forces would rather have remained secret. He has recently revealed what happened to flight 370.
‘Film at Eleven’.
(“Film at 11″ is an idiom from television news broadcasting, where the viewer is informed that video footage of a breaking news story will be screened later that evening. 11 o’clock is the traditional timeslot for late evening local news broadcasts in the Eastern and Pacific time zones of the United States. Television news gathering originally involved crews using 16 mm film which would be processed at the station, and had to be edited before it could be aired. The time taken for this process meant that the pictures of an early evening event would only be available in time for the late newscast.)
A short history of the Lies & cover ups that are Diego Garcia…

‘Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah prepared and practised with his home flight simulator and had determined the maximum speed and angle of decent the Boeing 777 could withstand.
‘As soon as the flight reached the extent of the Malaysian radar capability, when he knew they would no longer expect to see his radar signal, he wished the ground crews good night. He then turned off one tracking device, waited to see if anyone responded or raised alarm for 15 minutes, then turned off all communication devices. He locked the cabin door to prevent anyone from entering after asking his co-pilot to get him a drink or check on a system outside of the cockpit.
‘The Captain then immediately turned the plane southwest into a known flight path and climbed to over 40,000 ft. the maximum structural capability of the Boeing 777. He put on the pilot supplied air mask and kept the plane at over 40,000 ft. until he was certain all the passengers and crew, including his co-pilot, were asphyxiated.
From his flight simulator experimentation he had already determined the precise coordinates where he would initiate his next action. To bring the plane down at the maximum speed and maximum angle of decent to make a direct hit on the fuel storage tanks at Diego Garcia’.
As he initiated this direct course of action the American Military had not been concerned with the radar blip of this flight at 40,000 plus feet. They monitor vessels and flights which appear to be a threat or are invading their space. However they were suddenly brought into complete attention as their warning systems set off alarms.
The base at Diego Garcia attempted to make radio contact and immediately dispatching interceptors. Knowing full well this was an imminent threat, having no time to debate the issue and recognizing the aircraft was operating in what was basically ‘stealth’ mode, uncommunicative, the plane was shot out of the sky.
Becoming aware of which flight it was with the political and potential military repercussions, the US military ordered a complete lock down on all communications regarding the event and began dispatching crews to locate and pick up all the debris.
When the rest of the world became aware the flight was missing the US Navy offered all their resource to help them look for it in the South China Sea, then the Gulf of Thailand, Bay of Bengal and the Strait of Malacca. This kept the world’s attention focused away from the location they were cleaning up.
US 7th Fleet Commander William Marks told CNN “We wait for the Malaysians to tell us where to search and we go there.”

This is the most telling statement of all. Since when does the US take directions from Malaysia unless they are simply providing the rope to let them hang themselves?

The most powerful radar systems in the region are at Diego Garcia. A perfect target for such an attack, one the USA stopped and one they simply cannot reveal to the world due to the nationality of the passengers on board. They will continue to assist in the search while doing everything to ensure no one even mentions Diego Garcia in the mainstream media.
Wbat story are we consuming right now, according to MSM?
With just a day to go before the batteries on the black boxes of missing Malaysia Airline flight MH370 to run down, news that a signal detected by a Chinese ship searching the Indian Ocean for flight is “consistent” with the type emitted from the aircraft black box, is being met with hope, bitter relief and skepticism.
Hope for the many nations, not least Malaysia, seeking an answer as to what happened to the ill-fated airline.
Bitter relief for the families of the passengers on board as they can finally know and accept the fate of what has happened to their loved ones.
And skepticism, by the conspiracy theorists – who find it all to convenient that a ‘ping’ is located one day before the black-box ‘deadline’.
While the Malaysian authorities and the Australians, in charge of the search, have vowed to remain committed to finding the answers, however, long that may take, an interesting report has emerged on news website asiaone.com
It involved a small atoll in the Indian Ocean that is a military island, controlled and operated by the US and the UK.
According to the report, the conspiracy theory, now gaining traction on the internet, is comes from freelance journalist Jim Stone and concerns the atoll of Diego Garcia.
According to Stone’s theory, an American passenger on board MH370, named as Philip Wood, sent out an image and voice activated text, along with GPS coordinates that trace to a location a few kilometres away from Diego Garcia.
The text claimed that Wood was being held hostage by unknown military personnel.
This report has now sparked speculation that MH370 had landed on this US military base Even more interestingly, Diego Garcia is reported to also act as an emergency landing site for commercial aircraft that are cleared to fly the long, landless distance over the Indian Ocean.
The AsiaOne report quotes the official British government site, gov.uk, as stating that the British Indian Ocean Territory is administered from London and there is no British diplomatic or consular representation on Diego Garcia and that it is not a tourist destination.
Access is restricted and a permit is required in advance of travel.
According to a Wikipedia entry on the atoll, the United States Navy operates Naval Support Facility (NSF) Diego Garcia, a large naval ship and submarine support base, military air base, communications and space-tracking facility, and an anchorage for pre-positioned military supplies for regional operations aboard Military Sealift Command ships in the lagoon.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 05:02
by A_Gupta
ramana wrote:What I don't get is if its RC circuit to generate the 37.5Khz how does battery life or damage reduce the frequency? To me it looks ruggedly mounted and even if it breaks off its still in the cylinder.
Are they claiming that crash damage could alter the R or C of the circuit? I guess they have a switching IC to be the timer.
I was wondering about that too. Some documentation on the Dukane series of ULBs is available here (PDF) : http://www.rjeint.com/pdf/DK100Series_16.pdf
The water switch is part of a triggering circuit, which when actuated will initiate normal pulsing of the beacon circuit. The signal is coupled to a piezo-ceramic transducer ring. This results in mechanical motion that is transmitted to the metal case of the beacon, which in turn, radiates acoustic energy into the surrounding water at 37.5 kHz.
Maybe the piezo-ceramic transducer properties can be affected?

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 05:09
by ramana
What! They are using the PZ transducer as a hammer to ring the metal case bell!

Yes water intrusion would change the mass properties of the transducer and lower the frequency. You could have added mass of water along with transducer mass which adds inertia thus lowering the freq..


I would have expected a RC circuit with an IC switching circuit and an emitter/speaker. I guess that wont work for the 37.5Khz frequency which is much higher than any speaker can be driven.
So the needed this PZ hammer and metal bell.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 05:15
by A_Gupta
FYI, Dukane does ultrasonic welding equipment for plastics, e.g.,
http://www.exlar.com/system/editor_asse ... elding.pdf

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 05:15
by Cosmo_R
Just a thought. Why assume that the Dukane beacons are necessarily part of the/a blackbox? I know this is venturing into really weird CT theories but unless the beacons are locked into the MH370 BB, how does one know that the pings are not from let's say beacons thrown into the SIO if they are so far apart?

More and more I am thinking this is no AF 447 crash. Something went horribly or somebody made it happen.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 05:28
by UlanBatori
What! They are using the PZ transducer as a hammer to ring the metal case bell!
Ah! Gong Ping! :idea:

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 05:49
by ramana
I forgot the word Gong in my consternation at the device!
Yes its Gong for Ping.


Cosmo_R, From all reports the Dukane President Anish Patel is sure that their gong ping was flown on the MH-370.
I would have made it smart gong pinger by having a small GPS chip($1.00) with a memory(2GB) and a microcontroller($5.00) that sends Morse code beacon location in the pings.

This is more like the gong show.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 06:05
by UlanBatori
ramana, cosmo, a 37.5KHz gong is way past inaudible to the human ear. It is ultrasonic. Will drive dogs crazy. Wonder what it does to sea creatures.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 06:09
by ramana
Thats why its low power and limited life!

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 06:30
by A_Gupta
You can buy a DK120 underwater locator beacon for $750
http://www.sea-avionics.com/lc/cart.php ... substring=

If someone on the search teams bought a few and tossed them into the ocean (after suitably aging the battery) who would know?

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 06:37
by A_Gupta
The usual Malaysian tight-lippedness about whether they kept their pingers serviced and operational.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/04/us/flight ... batteries/

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 06:37
by Cosmo_R
Ramana, UB. What I was trying to say is how do we know the pings coming from the Dukane are the the ones from the beacons attached to the MH370 black box?

In it's most deconstructed way, could the pings be coming from beacons unrelated to MH370?

Normally, not a plausible thing but what if the Dukanes were just scattered after the fact (for the sake of argument) across a wide area to befuddle searchers.

I am not arguing aliens, diego garcia, teen hacker. I just want to discount the possibility that 'beacons' might have been scattered to mislead.

Having asked this 'brilliant' question why the heck would anybody go all this convoluted trouble?

Sort of boiling down to MH370 crashed somewhere because the oxygen system failed or deep dark CT .

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 06:43
by A_Gupta
Cosmo_R wrote: Sort of boiling down to MH370 crashed somewhere because the oxygen system failed or deep dark CT.
Why intermittently-conscious oxygen-deprived pilot and copilot would carefully navigate around radar systems is yet to be explained :)

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 06:51
by UlanBatori
But remember that the "navigated all round the radars" story is based on the "null hypothesis" or whatever one calls it - no one saw it - or maybe THOUGHT they saw something, can't say if it really was it. Plus the PAKMARSAT claim of 3 pings. From somewhere. With some delay and frequency error.
After all this noise, they don't have any other evidence presented, right?

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 07:17
by A_Gupta
True, U.Batori, the information presented so far is not presented in a way satisfactory for people who like and who are capable of digesting technical information.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 07:47
by Theo_Fidel
Did anyone else notice that there is a warning not to expose the pinger to temperatures above 160f! If there is/was a fire down she goes.... or can one hope for service to resume when it cools down.

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 08:02
by Philip
Ocean Shield detected 4 pings for 7 mins yesterday,up from 5 mins the previous day,latest Oz statements.Emphasis on searching for aircraft wreckage.The ping-pong game continues....

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 08:18
by habal
this name has come up recently

Shaldag Unit 5101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaldag_Unit

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 08:23
by A_Gupta

Re: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 08:37
by Anant
Moderators,

At one time, this forum prided itself on focusing on news sources that were established or at least validated. This was to differentiate this forum from the numerous other nutcase fora on the internet, which I won't mention. Nowadays, there are posts from users who are using sources that may originate from their mom's basement to expound conspiracy theories likes underwater bases in Diego Garcia and doppelganger aircraft on the same island. I realize many users here have a bent (mostly anti-American) and that's fine but then change the name of the thread to crackpot conspiracy theories. Also, I don't understand the repeated latent racism towards the Chinese, even in terms of satire or sarcasm; unless your goal is to reduce the level of discourse. Fact is Indians also died on that aircraft and if any of you have evidence that they are alive and all of you love having a laugh, all you are doing is ridiculing the dead and disrespecting their kin. This and the Ukraine thread have gone off the rails and at least you veteran users should have taken note of this and either renamed the thread or made it something sane and technical. Many of you are very bright; why not start functioning at that level?