Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

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Kashi wrote:You can take a Baki out of Shitistan but not Bakistaniyat. A heart doctor being completely heartless..

Heart doctor 'beat teenage daughter for staying at male friend's house after Halloween party'

.................Work colleague Dr Ahmed Ismail, a consultant radiologist, told the hearing: "............He is such a calm and quiet person. ............. I believe he would never do such a silly thing again..............
The Bakistaniyat seems to be ever green in the child beater's colleagues too.

Question: Your esteemed work colleague has beaten the everliving $hit out of his teenage daughter. Would you, like Dr Ahmed Ismail, rock up to an inquiry to claim it was such a 'silly thing', dear me?
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Baikul wrote:
Kashi wrote:You can take a Baki out of Shitistan but not Bakistaniyat. A heart doctor being completely heartless..

Heart doctor 'beat teenage daughter for staying at male friend's house after Halloween party'

.................Work colleague Dr Ahmed Ismail, a consultant radiologist, told the hearing: "............He is such a calm and quiet person. ............. I believe he would never do such a silly thing again..............
The Bakistaniyat seems to be ever green in the child beater's colleagues too.

Question: Your esteemed work colleague has beaten the everliving $hit out of his teenage daughter. Would you, like Dr Ahmed Ismail, rock up to an inquiry to claim it was such a 'silly thing', dear me?
May Allah bless Bakistan with more and more pure Islam!
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Baikul wrote:
Kashi wrote:You can take a Baki out of Shitistan but not Bakistaniyat. A heart doctor being completely heartless..

Heart doctor 'beat teenage daughter for staying at male friend's house after Halloween party'

.................Work colleague Dr Ahmed Ismail, a consultant radiologist, told the hearing: "............He is such a calm and quiet person. ............. I believe he would never do such a silly thing again..............
The Bakistaniyat seems to be ever green in the child beater's colleagues too.

Question: Your esteemed work colleague has beaten the everliving $hit out of his teenage daughter. Would you, like Dr Ahmed Ismail, rock up to an inquiry to claim it was such a 'silly thing', dear me?
For me, that was the most disturbing part of the report i.e the way that the other Bakis were trying to defend him. Though by now one should know not to expect better from them.

As for the girl, horrific as here experience was, she was lucky that she came out alive, going by the usual standards of Baki scum.
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1294376/wana-m ... rs-killing
nice set of laws the Bakis have - Wana market dynamited as punishment for major’s killing
DERA ISMAIL KHAN: Local authorities on Friday dynamited a market in Rustam Bazaar of South Waziristan’s headquarters Wana under local laws as a punishment for an explosion which killed an army officer and injured many others earlier this week, officials and local residents confirmed.

Political Agent in South Waziristan Agency Zafarul Islam Khattak told Dawn that the action was taken under the collective and territorial res­ponsi­bility clauses of the Fron­tier Crime Regulation (FCR).

Officials identified the bazaar as Al-Muhib Market, where an army officer, Maj Imran, was killed and 10 others injured in an explosion during a search operation.

Following the incident, the local authorities imposed a curfew on the Wana Bazaar, forcing more than 6,000 shops to close down.

The market owner, Ali Wazir, said that they had suffered huge losses due to the demolition of the two-storey market. He argued that while explosions took place all over the country, nowhere were markets dynamited as a punishment.

Local sources said the Wana Bazaar was currently under the control of security forces and efforts by local elders to resolve the issue through Jirga had failed to produce any result.
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WTF is dynamited !? :eek:

what law allows 'dynamited' as retaliation for an incident ??
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pakjabis are happy to provide jungle law in FATA. These tribals used to have their own law which was medieval because there was no other way to enforce order. Ofcourse the Pakjabis are only too happy to reinforce their medieval laws and keep them down.

Pakistan is a country that is waiting to be relieved from the clutches of the pakjabi.
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^^It only shows the level that the Pakisatan has sunk to, in every aspect. You can bet that at an evening cocktail at one of the embassies, there will be Punjabi and (a few) Pakhtun ISI officers in full regalia regaling their (invariably white) hosts about the need for such measures, and that "these kinds of tribes and clans" only understand the logic of force, while their hosts with slightly glazed eyes (due to booze, befuddlement and high bullshit-tolerance index) laugh in muted tones and avert their eyes a quickly as possible from this abhorrent caricature of a different time and different colour, except with slightly sharper stitches on their uniforms, and more modern weapons in their arsenals.
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bazaar "dynamited", trade containers borrowed from ports indefinitely for blocking Imran khan rally ..

No wonder these guys dont progress economically :mrgreen:

btw the word 'dynamited' is worthy of BRF dictionary .. :rotfl:
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No pashtuns in this racket for sure, the few so-called pashtuns on side of pakjabis are the Niazi, Gandapur types who settle in Mianwali or Ranjit Singh's NWFP areas on the plains that adjoin Attock and are not regarded as Pashtuns by the real ones. they are treated as hindko-speaking pakjabis by the pashtuns.
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the days of westerners sitting down to listen to tall tales of the pakjabis are over IMHO. India is not using the chances that it is getting for ramming one down the throat of these measly pakjabis and calling their bluff. We should have quartered and sliced them already given the wasted chances of the past year, it is criminal. Fortunately for the pakjabis there was a change in govt in India, and any new govt needs a bit of time to slip the cog into the hub.
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wiki says hindko is now seen as a dialect of punjabi than one of pashto.
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nirav wrote:WTF is dynamited !? :eek:

what law allows 'dynamited' as retaliation for an incident ??
What law, did you ask? Why, the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR) of c. 1901.

These rules allow the imposition of ‘collective punishment’, confiscation of property etc.

It was in August 2011 that President Zardari finally signed a decree that exempted women, children and the elderly from ‘collective punishment’.

Dynamiting the bazaar was a valid 'collective punishment'.
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SSridhar wrote:
nirav wrote:WTF is dynamited !? :eek:

what law allows 'dynamited' as retaliation for an incident ??
What law, did you ask? Why, the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR) of c. 1901.

These rules allow the imposition of ‘collective punishment’, confiscation of property etc.

It was in August 2011 that President Zardari finally signed a decree that exempted women, children and the elderly from ‘collective punishment’.

Dynamiting the bazaar was a valid 'collective punishment'.
In India you kill an army officer you get Biryani,your family get tv time and what not. If you kill an Paki officer ...........whole market is burned. And these fundoos still wave paki flags.
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Shi'as of Karachi decide 'enough is enough'.

Five ASWJ men killed in sectarian violence - DT
Two prayer leaders among five men belonging to the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ) were gunned down on Friday in what appears to be a tit-for-tat sectarian violence in the city.

In a fresh wave of violence, five members of the religious organisation were murdered in three separate incidents within an hour. Earlier, the Shia community was targeted in the holy month of Muharram, as nearly seven people of the community were killed and several others wounded by unidentified gunmen.

The deadliest of Friday’s incidents took place near Shafiq Morr in the Federal B Area of Gulberg Town, where three ASWJ men were shot dead by armed motorcyclists.

Witnesses said that two suspects targeted the victims, who were on their way back on a motorcycle from the Tahaffuz-e-Haramain Sharifain rally outside the Siddiq-e-Akbar Masjid at Nagan Chowrangi after Friday prayers.

The victims – aged between 25 and 30 years – were identified as prayer leader Maulana Usman Hyderi, Muhammad Yaqoob and Shahid Rafiq, all hailing from Azad Kashmir. Their bodies were moved to Abbasi Shaheed Hospital for medico-legal formalities.

Meanwhile, another prayer leader, identified as 30-year-old Shafiqur Rehman, was shot dead by motorcyclists near Hyderi Market in North Nazimabad while he was returning from the same rally at Siddiq-e-Akbar Masjid. Earlier in the day, two ASWJ men were targeted at Patel Para in Jamshed Quarters as they returned after offering Friday prayers. One of them, identified as Amin Muhammad, 30, died on the spot, while his companion, Abdul Baqi, 35, was critically wounded in the attack. SHO Inam Junejo said both the victims belonged to Khuzdar, Balochistan.
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I hear Abidi Madari is in jail? That was quick........just few days ago he was shouting that "Gawder Mega Oil City" project is abandoned in favor of siiiipeeeesiii.
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SSridhar wrote:
nirav wrote:WTF is dynamited !? :eek:

what law allows 'dynamited' as retaliation for an incident ??
What law, did you ask? Why, the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR) of c. 1901.

These rules allow the imposition of ‘collective punishment’, confiscation of property etc.

It was in August 2011 that President Zardari finally signed a decree that exempted women, children and the elderly from ‘collective punishment’.

Dynamiting the bazaar was a valid 'collective punishment'.
The British General, William Slim gave a memorable description of one such expedition in the 1920s where the army led a punitive expedition into some Afghan tribe's territory, blowing up towers, razing fields and generally issuing mayhem as a collective punishment in response to some transgression. Not a lot seems to have changed since then.

On another note,
SSridhar wrote:Shi'as of Karachi decide 'enough is enough'.

Five ASWJ men killed in sectarian violence - DT
.................
The deadliest of Friday’s incidents took place near Shafiq Morr in the Federal B Area of Gulberg Town, where three ASWJ men were shot dead by armed motorcyclists.....
Given how things are going, I wonder if there are any unarmed motorcyclists left in Bakistan.
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^^^
Given how things are going, I wonder if there are any unarmed motorcyclists left in Bakistan.
'Catch me, if you can' Sheikh Rashid. 8)

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I guess Karachi motorcyclists are armed to the teeth.
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gandharva wrote:
SBajwa wrote: KC singh is Krishan Chander Singh and is a former IFS. so he is a typical Babu who are reluctant to move away from their center line. He is not a Khalistani what so ever at all!
Khalistan doesn't mean only gun toting terrorists of 80s. It's about supermacist mindset rooted in Tat-Khalsa of Kahn Singh Nabha etc under the guidence of Padre Macauliffe. On this criterion KC Singh is certainly a Khalistani and AAP is darling of such Sikhs/Punjabis. Another such Khalistani is journalist Hartosh Singh Bal who once tweeted that there is no civilization east of Delhi and its all area of darkness.

Akali movement of 1920s was first manifestation of it. Sikh terrorism was 2nd manifestation. AAP most likely be 3rd manifestation ultimately leading to Christianization of Sikhs. Thing to note is that with each new manifestation Sikhs keep getting farther away from Hindus. Sitaram Goel observed it as follows.

"....modern Sikh scholars who have, over the years, forced the message of the great Gurus into monotheistic moulds. They have almost succeeded in eclipsing, more or less completely, the Upanishadic spirituality of the nirguNa saints among whom Guru Nanak occupies the front rank. They take immense pride in equating the Ek OMkãr with Allah, the Ãdigrantha with Al-Kitãb, the succession of Sikh gurus with the succession of prophets in which Guru Gobind Singh is the last like Muhammad, and the injunctions of the last Guru regarding outer symbols with similar injunctions of the Sunnah.

A manifestation of the Islamic spirit could not lag far behind, once Sikhism started Islamicizing itself. It has progressed on the path of a similar exclusiveness, a similar self-righteousness, a similar self-aggrandizement, a similar use of terror in the service of religion, and a similar mob mentality vis-a-vis internal dissent, as have characterised Islam throughout its blood-soaked career. Sikhism is fast moving out of its spiritual moorings, and becoming a politics of power which Islam has always been."
With all due respect, your opinion/agenda is worth calling out i.e. nonsense. I am as sikh as sikh can be, so do read below:

1) Akali movement was a movement to get rid of sarkaari mahants controlling sikh gurudwaras. In case you are short of memory, the general responsible for Jallianwala Bagh was honoured by the same sarkaari mahants. Akali's on the other hand took part in the movement to get rid of british and fought for Indian independence.

2) AAP ( I am not a supporter or aapiya as they call them), is an Indian political party. Khalistani's have their own agenda. Read link below on the so-called alignment. Just in case, gurpreet ghuggi is the convenor for AAP in Punjab:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/sf ... w7K1H.html

3) Sikhs being driven further from hindu's: Maybe in NA. But India no. Hell, even the akali's no longer talk on sikh terms and have changed their agenda to punjabiyat. BTW, you contradicted your own point. Arvind Kejriwal ( AAP ) is a hindu. So how do sikhs getting far from hindu's support a Hindu dominated party over the SAD, congress in punjab?

4) Equating Sikhism with Islam, christianity: I don't know where to even start. How many sikhs have you encountered refusing Hindu's a glass of water, calling you non-believer etc? Would love to know.

5) Sikhism as a political force over religion: Hmm, if AAP is a manifestation of Sikh preferences for politics over religion, then it is a good choice over the "Sikh" faces of politics i.e. Badals, captain, Simranjit Singh Mann etc.

6) Terror in the service of religion: Hmm, what do you mean here? Can you give one instance of forcible conversion(s), preaching/violence with the intent to convert etc. by sikhs?

A friendly advice. Stop looking for daemons. My last post on this topic. Only intention was not to let such a post go by without a reply.
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Al-Qaeda leader killed in US drone strike in Afghanistan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37882010
Those killed included two Arabs and a number of Pakistani Taliban fighters.
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ManSingh wrote:

2) AAP ( I am not a supporter or aapiya as they call them), is an Indian political party. Khalistani's have their own agenda. Read link below on the so-called alignment. Just in case, gurpreet ghuggi is the convenor for AAP in Punjab:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/sf ... w7K1H.html

3) Sikhs being driven further from hindu's: Maybe in NA. But India no. Hell, even the akali's no longer talk on sikh terms and have changed their agenda to punjabiyat. BTW, you contradicted your own point. Arvind Kejriwal ( AAP ) is a hindu. So how do sikhs getting far from hindu's support a Hindu dominated party over the SAD, congress in punjab?
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Good points but there is larger scenario here. The earlier poster was right

Arvind Kejriwal is a manifestation of the leftist rebels of the 70s which resulted in separatists movements in India. Arvind Kejriwal as a Hindu has no meaning since his political ideology is separatism and leftist rebel anti establishment.

My Sikh friend from Delhi is in a Gurudhwara committee in North America. He talks about all the details. There is major separatist movement which is residing inside these Gurudhwara and they support AAP. The leftist anti establishment AAP has lot of supporters in NA and it is attracting Khalistani Sikhs.
Now it is a good political sociology experiment to trap the Khalistanis inside the AAP trap but we need to see the future. Arvind Kejriwal is just a PATSY but the game is bigger and UK and Uncle establishment have the keys to this social movement.
Major question is can the leftist rebel anti establishment be contained inside AAP?
UK with its long association with the Sikhs have deeper influence inside the Khalistani social movement and their attempt has failed.

Khalistani Sikhs in the west still feel that UK/US will give them Khalistan just like the Paki will feel that Kashmir will get freedom!

Check referendom2020 . org
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1) Akali movement was a movement to get rid of sarkaari mahants controlling sikh gurudwaras. In case you are short of memory, the general responsible for Jallianwala Bagh was honoured by the same sarkaari mahants. Akali's on the other hand took part in the movement to get rid of british and fought for Indian independence.
Among those "Mahants" was SS Mann's Nana who gave Dyer a Saropa!

Mansingh, welcome to the forum. We need more Sikhs to talk more openly about issues facing the Sikh community in India and overseas
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AAP will fail in Punjab , Captain or Badal will make government. Both do not want AAPias in that area. We should keep in mind Congress ruled most opf the time doing its duty to create fissures among Sons of Soil to keep them divided and not let them reconcile on any issue. The referendum 2020 is just a empty panga and irrelevant to ground reality in Punjab. In fact it may even help in identifying collaborators and relegate them to dustbin. Only practical option for them is to align with Paki and get the treatment reserved for Paki. Massa and Massi can't do anything for them, they need help in defanging Dragon.
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Thanks for the counter narrative, ManSingh.
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Mysterious banners call on COAS to contest next general election
http://www.dawn.com/news/1294456/myster ... l-election
Mysterious banners urging Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif to contest the general elections in 2018 were spotted in Rawalpindi on Saturday, a few weeks ahead of the military chief's last day on duty.In bold letters, the banners call for 'no extension but reduction' — asking for reduction from two to one year the minimum duration before a retired government servant can enter politics as well as urging General Raheel to enter the political arena and contest national elections in 2018.The banners call on the government and the opposition to bring to an end "their divisive politics". They also call on the general to enter politics in the hopes that "ties between the country's civil and military leadership can harmonise".
The banners say there was hope that by taking part in the elections, [General] Raheel's party "will secure majority votes and he will be elected prime minister, leading the country on the path to becoming a success".Previously, banners addressing General Raheel had popped up in cities across the country urging the COAS to 'stay on.'In response to the July posters, Director General of Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Lt Gen Asim Bajwa had tweeted saying that the Pakistan Army or any of its affiliated organisations had no connection to the banners.
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Have to agree with the original poster as uncivil as his words may be perceived about some sikhs taking themselves as being superior to hindus and caste obsessed polytheists etc. Hartosh Bahl is exactly that type. His leftist posturing apart, he was even upset at statements of joint hindu sikh families.
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Yes there are some like that. Again like the Chinese (see my post in the China thread), it may be a compensation for a sense of inadequacy.

In the west browns are generally not well received, but Hindus with their education and wealth are grudgingly acknowledged as a 'better class of brown', for whatever that is worth. The locals do differentiate between Sikhs and Hindus on a subtle level, to my surprise. Unfortunately, Sikhs are perceived as violent, fond of alcohol, gang members, perpetrators of domestic and other violence, with poor English speaking skills. The drug fuelled violence in Vancouver is a case in point.

They need our understanding not reinforcement of stereotypes.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... -a-wedding

'I never thought I'd be terrorised by my fellow Sikhs at a wedding'
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OT for this thread but this will be last one.

There are posters here who consistently, attack Sikhs and Sikhism without any valid reasons. Cannot understand why and mods tolerating it as well.

btw, I am NO sikh but 100% SDRE Hindoo. But I see Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism are product of the land just like Hinduism.

Ambedkar initially wanted to convert to Sikhism but was not allowed just like Muslims who wanted to converted back were not allowed.
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Who are those posters, pray tell? In all these years, thankfully, yet to see any. Some folks have concerns about some fundoos not the faith as a whole, and we all know how many opportunists are there across India across all groups..

Sanjay thanks for the thoughtful reply.
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ManSingh wrote:
gandharva wrote:
Khalistan doesn't mean only gun toting terrorists of 80s. It's about supermacist mindset rooted in Tat-Khalsa of Kahn Singh Nabha etc under the guidence of Padre Macauliffe. On this criterion KC Singh is certainly a Khalistani and AAP is darling of such Sikhs/Punjabis. Another such Khalistani is journalist Hartosh Singh Bal who once tweeted that there is no civilization east of Delhi and its all area of darkness.

Akali movement of 1920s was first manifestation of it. Sikh terrorism was 2nd manifestation. AAP most likely be 3rd manifestation ultimately leading to Christianization of Sikhs. Thing to note is that with each new manifestation Sikhs keep getting farther away from Hindus. Sitaram Goel observed it as follows.

"....modern Sikh scholars who have, over the years, forced the message of the great Gurus into monotheistic moulds. They have almost succeeded in eclipsing, more or less completely, the Upanishadic spirituality of the nirguNa saints among whom Guru Nanak occupies the front rank. They take immense pride in equating the Ek OMkãr with Allah, the Ãdigrantha with Al-Kitãb, the succession of Sikh gurus with the succession of prophets in which Guru Gobind Singh is the last like Muhammad, and the injunctions of the last Guru regarding outer symbols with similar injunctions of the Sunnah.

A manifestation of the Islamic spirit could not lag far behind, once Sikhism started Islamicizing itself. It has progressed on the path of a similar exclusiveness, a similar self-righteousness, a similar self-aggrandizement, a similar use of terror in the service of religion, and a similar mob mentality vis-a-vis internal dissent, as have characterised Islam throughout its blood-soaked career. Sikhism is fast moving out of its spiritual moorings, and becoming a politics of power which Islam has always been."
With all due respect, your opinion/agenda is worth calling out i.e. nonsense. I am as sikh as sikh can be, so do read below:

1) Akali movement was a movement to get rid of sarkaari mahants controlling sikh gurudwaras. In case you are short of memory, the general responsible for Jallianwala Bagh was honoured by the same sarkaari mahants. Akali's on the other hand took part in the movement to get rid of british and fought for Indian independence.

2) AAP ( I am not a supporter or aapiya as they call them), is an Indian political party. Khalistani's have their own agenda. Read link below on the so-called alignment. Just in case, gurpreet ghuggi is the convenor for AAP in Punjab:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/sf ... w7K1H.html

3) Sikhs being driven further from hindu's: Maybe in NA. But India no. Hell, even the akali's no longer talk on sikh terms and have changed their agenda to punjabiyat. BTW, you contradicted your own point. Arvind Kejriwal ( AAP ) is a hindu. So how do sikhs getting far from hindu's support a Hindu dominated party over the SAD, congress in punjab?

4) Equating Sikhism with Islam, christianity: I don't know where to even start. How many sikhs have you encountered refusing Hindu's a glass of water, calling you non-believer etc? Would love to know.

5) Sikhism as a political force over religion: Hmm, if AAP is a manifestation of Sikh preferences for politics over religion, then it is a good choice over the "Sikh" faces of politics i.e. Badals, captain, Simranjit Singh Mann etc.

6) Terror in the service of religion: Hmm, what do you mean here? Can you give one instance of forcible conversion(s), preaching/violence with the intent to convert etc. by sikhs?

A friendly advice. Stop looking for daemons. My last post on this topic. Only intention was not to let such a post go by without a reply.
Let us take this debate to an appropriate thread. Regarding freeing Gurudwaras from Mahants, aren't all these breaking India forces have been accusing Hindus of various charges to justify their existence? So, spare that nonsense. It was all that sponsored by Brits. Research what Motilal Nehru was doing in that Akali movement of 1920s and you will get the real picture. Accusation against Mahants is no different from present day accusations say in the case of Shani Signapur or or Aiyappa temple. Just as now the real force behind all this is global Church with Desi local face, same was true then. British behind it with Akali face. One result of this Akali movement was that Gurudwaras were stripped of any thing Hindu. Teja Singh Bhasuriya wanted to edit Gururgranth itself and expunge Naamdeva charitra from it calling it HIndu in nature.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

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Meanwhile, along the LoC, IB ....
Massive paki army build up along the LoC, IB

Can this be confirmed? If true, looks like our retaliation was truly mooh tod 8)
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*Warning*

No more discussion on Sikhs, AAP etc. on this thread.
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la.khan wrote:Meanwhile, along the LoC, IB ....
Massive paki army build up along the LoC, IB

Can this be confirmed? If true, looks like our retaliation was truly mooh tod 8)
All indications of a major terror attack or offensive are afoot. I hope we are ready and paki internal networks within India are being monitored
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Army major shot dead in Islamabad
http://www.dawn.com/news/1294190/army-m ... -islamabad
ISLAMABAD: A major of the Pakistan Army was shot dead by gunmen who stormed his residence in Sector I-8/4 here on Thursday.

Maj Zeeshan Naseem’s wife answered the door and found a man standing outside. He pushed her aside and while she tried to intercept him, two more persons entered the house, police quoted the major’s wife as saying. The major, who was in a nearby room, rushed to the gate after he heard the voice of his wife. One of the men pulled out a pistol and fired on him, the police said. He suffered a bullet injury in the chest and fell to the floor, bleeding. He was taken to a hospital where he died. The cause of the killing was unknown.
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I think FRC rules should be implemented where this army major died
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http://www.firstpost.com/india/one-sold ... 91220.html
One soldier killed as Pakistan Army violates ceasefire in Poonch
An Indian Army soldier was killed on Sunday after Pakistan Army resorted to an unprovoked shelling at Indian positions along the Line of Control in Krishna Ghati sector of Poonch district.
Gur Sevak Singh of 22 Sikh regiment was martyred in Pakistan firing today (Sunday)," defence sources told IANS here, adding that the ceasefire violation also continues in Balnoi area of the district.
According to ANI, a civilian has also been injured in the cross firing.
At least four places came under indiscriminate shelling and firing by Pakistan Army, which started at 8.40 am on Sunday, to target civil and defence facilities in the area, a police official said in Jammu.
"An army soldier has been killed in cross border firing on the LoC in Poonch", the official said. "Indian Army has retaliated using same calibre weapons. Shelling and firing exchanges are still on," he said.
Sunday's violation on the border came after a lull of two days when an uneasy calm prevailed on the LoC and the International Border.
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*Long Post*
la.khan wrote:Meanwhile, along the LoC, IB ....
Massive paki army build up along the LoC, IB

Can this be confirmed? If true, looks like our retaliation was truly mooh tod 8)
There have been reports for the last few days that Rangers are being replaced by the Regulars at many places. So, this news report must be true.

Nothing surprising either. It has always been the PA that was driving Pakistan's India policy, more so after Nawaz conceded space to Gen. Raheel.

The first was the 2014 Long March of Imran Khan which the Nawaz Govt asked Gen. Raheel to stop. Then, in the wake of the Army Public School carnage, the Army acquired judicial powers in terrorism cases without any oversight from even the Supreme Court. The Army then took over Karachi. In the meanwhile, Ufa agreement between Modi & Nawaz in July 2015 was twisted by the PA to create not only a bad name for Nawaz but also take over completely the India-centric foreign policy engagement of Pakistan. Nawaz feared that appointing a Foreign Minister would be more harmful as the PA could steamroll him/her as we have seen earlier with all of them (recent memories of Birkin Babe Hina Rabbani Khar or Shah mehmood Qureshi before her etc. The only exception was Z.A.Bhutto when he was the FM in Ayub Khan's ministry) and kept the portfolio to himself with Sartaj Aziz as just an advisor. But, that strategy didn't help him. Look at the operative part of Ufa statement below (from the full text of the Joint Statement) and see how the PA twisted it to rouse anger in Pakistan:
‘They agreed that India and Pakistan have a collective responsibility to ensure peace and promote development. To do so, they are prepared to discuss all outstanding issues.

Both leaders condemned terrorism in all its forms and agreed to cooperate with each other to eliminate this menace from South Asia.

They also agreed on the following steps to be taken by the two sides:

A meeting in New Delhi between the two NSAs to discuss all issues connected to terrorism.’
The PA instigated Diffa-e-Pakistan Council and there were massive demonstrations. This PA intervention led to Pakistan toughening its stand. The blistering press meet by Ms. Sushma Swaraj and her insistence on Sartaj Aziz not meeting the Huriiyat were cited by Pakistan to extricate itself from having to meet the Indian NSA Ajit Doval and face the music on terrorism. The Nawaz government also satisfied the PA in the process. This fiasco led to the veteran wily fox Sartaj Aziz who also functioned as NSA being removed from that post and Lt. Gen Janjua appointed by the PA in his place. Even in a Pakistan where the PA rules, this was unique because all NSAs were choices of the PM (even though they happened to be military men), but here Janjua was appointed by the PA forcefully. His office was in the PM's Secretariat unlike those of the other NSAs before located in the Pakistani Foreign Office.

Then, in early 2016, the PanamaGate scandal broke and Gen. Sharif who had dismissed some Frontier Corps Generals & other officers for corruption demanded Nawaz Sharif to act similarly, implying that he himself must resign as well. There is also the handing over of the CPEC project to the PA, a demand supported by China as well amid strong opposition from Nawaz. In between all these, the ISPR launched a massive pro-Raheel campaign. Banners & billboards sprouted everywhere in Pakistan asking Gen. Raheel to takeover the country. He is called a "soldier's soldier" and his proud family lineage (his dead brother got the highest military award) are recounted frequently. He is today a 'larger than life' persona in Pakistan. As he nears retirement, there are ISI-sponsored banners asking him to start a political party!

Janjua & Doval had a few secret meetings as the PA for the very first time was directly involved in engaging with GoI, after Musharraf's Presidency. A surprise visit by Modi to Lahore was also made possible as a result. But, PA could not keep away from its penchant to keep doing something against India all the time. Soon, it was the terror attack on the strategic Pathankot Air Force Base in early January, 2016. The drama of joint investigation by Pakistan to visit PAFB was followed by Pakistan going back in allowing a reciprocal Indian investigation team visit to Pakistan. Things really started to go bad after this duplicity. Soon, PA began instigating Kashmiri youth for months of terror, arson and violence to be followed by the Uri attack in mid-September.

In the meanwhile, the relationship between Nawaz & Raheel were going from bad to worse. The PA and its paramilitary Rangers had successfully used NAP since May 2015 to cleanse Karachi of largely MQM and some PPP elements along with AQIS, LeJ & TTP. In March 2016, they announced that they would do so to Lahore too after the Gulshan-i-Iqbal Park attack on Easter-celebrating Christians, a statement that was clearly disliked by the Shariff brothers as the Army wanted to take over their pocket-borough. Now, we can probably understand why PML-N revealed the minutes of the meeting, after the Indian surgical strike, where Shahbaz Sharif blasted the ISI for interfering in the handling of the terrorists by the ISI.

The surgical strikes by the IA after the Uri attack altered the ground situation because that action by GoI came as a thunderbolt from the blue and caught the PA and its terrorist allies unawares. They cannot accept that such a strike has happened for H&D reasons, yet they have to respond because 'no response' will also be an H&D issue. Gen. Raheel's high-flying career is about end with a blot and he would do everything to redeem it. The PA action has to be open in order to catch the imagination of the Pakistani people. It cannot be simply a Pakistani BAT doing some mischief.

As for ceasefire agreement violations, many mistakenly believe that they started just recently. We forget that the violations of the 2003 CFA began soon after the Modi government assumed power in 2014. There is a historical reason for that. Since January 2014, the relation between Gen. Raheel Sharif (whom Nawaz Sharif 'carefully' chose as the replacement for Kayani, superseding two others. All his 'carefully' chosen appointees deserted him as Gen Waheed Kakkar did in the 90s and later Gen. Musharraf in 1999. Both Kakkar & Musharraf also superseded a few seniors to be handpicked by Nawaz) and Nawaz Sharif had begun to deteriorate even more. The distrust between a Pakistani COAS and his PM always shows up as incidents on our borders. The harmonious relationship between the two would also have the same effect!

There were three particular incidents. One was the 'peace negotiations' that Nawaz Sharif started with the state-attacking TTP in early (January timeframe) of 2014. To be fair to Nawaaz, his election manifesto for the 2013 elections had said that the PML-N was for 'peace talks' with the TTP and so it was not surprising. This was in spite of a majority of elected PML-N parliamentarians voting for a military action. This sudden U-turn might have angered the PA. My guess is that the PA was against this as the ISI was trying to split the TTP movement after Fazlullah had taken over following Hakeemullah Mehsud's death as it saw an opportunity there, having failed militarily in defeating them since 2007. We must remember that Nawz's brother and Punjab CM, Shahbaz, had earlier asked the Punjabi Taliban not to attack Punjab because his government was in agreement with their objective after all! Even as early as c. 2010, Shahbaz had tried to negotiate with Al Qaeda & TTP as the letters found in OBL's Abbottabad compound proved. As a result, the TTP's attack in the Punjab was limited to attacking Christians, Shi'as and Ahmedis, but *NOT* the State. In the peace talks, TTP was asking for stoppage of drone attacks, release of all its jailed terrorists, the withdrawal of PA from FATA and handing over FATA to TTP for self-rule, all unacceptable to the PA though some might have been agreeable to Nawaz. Eventually, after six months, the talks failed and Zerb-e-Azb was launched. Anyway, TTP had already begun to split by the May, 2014 timeframe. An angered TTP mounted the attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar killing students & teachers forcing the PA to intensify its actions against it. The Nawaz government initiated politically the National Action Plan (NAP) for taking strong action against the 'bad Taliban', a bill that conceded even more space to the PA including judicial powers in all terrorism-related matters. Tellingly, the terrorist and terrorist-supporting groups such as Imran Khan's PTI, Jamaat-e-Islami, JUI-F abstained from voting for the NAP bill in the National Assembly as they were opposed to several provisions.

The second incident to anger the PA was the Hamid Mir assassination attempt in April 2014 when it was openly suggested that 'the Angels' were behind the attack. His brother, another noted journalist, Amir Mir directly blamed the ISI for this assassination attempt even as Hamid Mir lay critically wounded in a Karachi hospital, and this telecast on GEO TV so angered the ISI so much that it asked PEMRA to shut down the GEO TV channels. The PEMRA promptly shut down the channel for 15 days along with a fine of USD 100,000 even as GEO sued the ISI in a court of law. Hamid Mir had earlier claimed that his expose of the missing Balochistanis (abducted and killed by the ISI) had angered the ISI Chief. The ISI had another reason to be angry with him too, though Hamid Mir did not reveal that. It is largely claimed that it was his accusation of the two ISI agents Sq. Ldr Khalid Khwaja and Col. Imam of being American agents that led to their killing by the Taliban in c. 2010. In any case, Nawaz Sharif kept away from this issue and the ISI saw this as tacit encouragement for the GEO group and Hamid Mir.

Then there was the minor issue of sorting out a former COAS's predicament. Gen. Raheel hit out at Nawaz Sharif's handling of Gen. Musharraf saying that "the Army preserves its own dignity and institutional pride at all costs" while addressing SSG at Tarbela. Gen. Raheel forced Nawaz to let Musharraf go.

The third was the decision of Nawaz Sharif to attend the swearing-in ceremony of Modi in May 2014. The PA clearly disliked his attendance. The distrust among the PA generals is that Nawaz may concede space especially in trade and terrorism. It took him a while to confirm his attendance at the swearing-in ceremony, but he came. The ISI displayed its anger by attacking the Herat consulate through its LTTE & Haqqani proxies.

So, the CFA violations which started after Modi's taking over power in May 2014, assumed larger proportions by the last quarter of 2014. Here is where the duplicity of the PA came out clearly. On the one hand, it attacked India and on the other requested a message to be conveyed to GoI through US & China that since it was engaged in rooting out terrorists in the north, it wanted to have a peaceful border in the east. It wanted to paint India as an aggressor, it wanted to use the excuse of Z-e-A to harass India and send in terrorists as it was sure that the international community (whatever that means) would believe its words of India utilizing the Zerb-e-Azb situation to attack from the east especially when it had launched a major operation that the Western nations have been demanding for a long time. The CFA violations began to occur in the more peaceful IB sector. Unfortunately for PA, this Indian government had allowed a free hand for the BSF & IA to retaliate as they saw it fit and disproportionately too. Now, it has become another H&D issue for the PA. Fortunately for it, the Z-e-A has practically wound down and it can commit more soldiers here. That is what is happening.
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sanjaykumar wrote:In the west browns are generally not well received, but Hindus with their education and wealth are grudgingly acknowledged as a 'better class of brown', for whatever that is worth. The locals do differentiate between Sikhs and Hindus on a subtle level, to my surprise. Unfortunately, Sikhs are perceived as violent, fond of alcohol, gang members, perpetrators of domestic and other violence, with poor English speaking skills. The drug fuelled violence in Vancouver is a case in point.
They need our understanding not reinforcement of stereotypes.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... -a-wedding
Check Hindu-Sikh relation thread.
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SSridhar wrote:*Long Post*
...That is what is happening.
Great summary..

Unfortunately though for PA, the forces from Waziristan are going to get plastered by a real army instead of a ragtag bunch of terrorists. It is truly a time when PA is going to be squeezed from all quarters. Time for RAWHeel to get back to his RAWHole.
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It is with posts link this that I miss the BR monitor. Can it be brought back.
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Good post SS. Very Informative. Can you write a similar post about what GoI is doing? I don't think Modi and Doval are really forget or forgive kinds?
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