Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 13 Nov 2016 15:23
by habal
all fake anti-establishment media in USA like Veteran Today, Young Turks, Vice News, Democracy now, have been outed as establishment B-team and paid opposition. They are funded by establishment to manipulate popular opposition.
all of them were anti-Trump.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 13 Nov 2016 16:10
by Yagnasri
Now Tv's of the US are starting talking about the working men ( white working men) and how Dem party simply decided to give up on them. The problem of focusing on Social issues and not economic issues like job losses. They are yet to come to internationalism rampant in the liberals. Free Trade treaties and color revolutions are going to be discussed soon? I am not sure. They have not yet come to that stage
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 13 Nov 2016 17:35
by habal
this is the brofessor who has 100% success rate and has correctly predicted every new president since Roosevelt.
On the assumption that pollsters truly want their surveys to be accurate, rather than using deliberately slanted surveys as tools to manipulate public opinion, Norpoth predicted “a pretty thorough investigation of the polling business.”
“I think they’re very concerned about that because this kind of polling is very important to them. It’s sort of a public benchmark about how they’re doing with other things. If people can see that something happens in real life that you can sort of check against what they’re doing, then some people might be sort of skeptical about doing business with them,” he said.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 13 Nov 2016 17:43
by UlanBatori
This is bogus. At least this time, the margins were very narrow, and no one can predict those sorts of margins except by the Ulan Bator Predictor-Corrector Algorithm.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Sounds like India of India drama. "This is not America".
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 13 Nov 2016 20:17
by habal
Nothing is close in this victory. It is a landslide.
Final tally.. 309 seats for trump... also winner of the popular votes but a lot of mail ins to CA for klinton..
FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.2 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 309-232) with Arizona finally declared two days ago –
Trump now has the 309. Tonight Michigan was finally called for Donald Trump moving his Electoral College (EC) count up to 306 total to Hillary Clinton’s 232.
“On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win,” it reads.
“However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine — which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!”
The maps is very interesting.. like 10% of the area voted for klinton.. But they are mostly under siege and they would be slowly decimated by attrition. What we need here are some Soviet generals that are good at cauldrons. It would also drastically drop the crime rate in the country.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 13 Nov 2016 21:07
by Gus
habal wrote:
FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.2 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 309-232) with Arizona finally declared two days ago –
GOP Sen. Kelly Ayotte, now heading out of Congress after she lost her election Tuesday evening, is apparently in the running to be secretary of defense in the Trump administration.
Defense hawk and A-10 advocate Ayotte is now counted among other luminaries, such as retired Army Lt. Gen. Joseph Kellogg and Sen. Jeff Sessions, all vying for the position, The Washington Post reports.
Senators Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Mark Kirk (R-IL), and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) helped lead introduction of the Iran Ballistic Missile Sanctions Act of 2016
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 13 Nov 2016 23:54
by Cain Marko
Austin wrote:We are in 96 months of Business Cycle and we had no crash since 2008 and this is unusual even for marker normal business cycle not to crash every 7-8 years.
Trump has to be Really Lucky and May God Save him that a Crash and worst then 2008 would not happen under his watch.
Well trump said in his run up that this is another bubble waiting to pop. He seems quite aware. I guess someone will have to bear the burden, and the donald seems as strong a candidate as any we have seen in a long, long time. Just like modi is facing the music for the bank notes thing.
His statesman like transformation since victory is remarkable...The man knows a lot more about people than most give him credit for. Very reminiscent of modi.
Frankly, I thought hrc had this in the bag, and we are staring at another tsp==India period. Royally wrong, and happy to be so. Glad that trump seems to be eager to change that.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 00:32
by Austin
Cain Marko wrote:
Austin wrote:We are in 96 months of Business Cycle and we had no crash since 2008 and this is unusual even for marker normal business cycle not to crash every 7-8 years.
Trump has to be Really Lucky and May God Save him that a Crash and worst then 2008 would not happen under his watch.
Well trump said in his run up that this is another bubble waiting to pop. He seems quite aware. I guess someone will have to bear the burden, and the donald seems as strong a candidate as any we have seen in a long, long time. Just like modi is facing the music for the bank notes thing.
His statesman like transformation since victory is remarkable...The man knows a lot more about people than most give him credit for. Very reminiscent of modi.
Frankly, I thought hrc had this in the bag, and we are staring at another tsp==India period. Royally wrong, and happy to be so. Glad that trump seems to be eager to change that.
Yes he did say about that bubble on many occasions and his dislike for fed Chairman yallen is known.
I don't think he would like it see yallen as fed chair , she is as incompetent as her boss Obama
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 01:00
by pankajs
^
She was political. No one knows how fragile the US recovery is and increasing the interest rate anytime during the last 1 year *might* have triggered a recession and washed out the democrats chances. So to get Sillary elected she conspired with the White house not to touch the interest rate.
Now that the elections are over raising rates will be on the table. It does not matter now if it destabilizes the market. Trumpanzee will have to deal with the fallout if any.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 01:42
by Lilo
A noob question on US election....
What are the chances of DT being rejected by electors(in electoral college) and voting for hillary ?
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 01:50
by pankajs
1. In theory yes but Killary has already conceded. There is no precedence. Very imp. in US. Trump saying that he will not concede had a lot of folks worried. That is their system and everyone understands it.
2. Electoral colleges have never played that game. There is no precedence.
3. Supreme courts
Not one Democrat in the party has even suggested anything close. Kids can have their fun and games for a while and that is ok.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 01:52
by pankajs
==duplicate==
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 01:52
by ShyamSP
Lilo wrote:A noob question on US election....
What are the chances of DT being rejected by electors(in electoral college) and voting for hillary ?
That is the reason right to bear arms exists.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 02:04
by pankajs
Trumpanzee's biggest problem is going to be his own self. He is very impulsive and has no self control. Plus there is the Trump university case.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 03:17
by UlanBatori
Trump university case will get scrapped as "caveat emptor". The claim is that the greedy dumbasses thought Trump himself was going to wipe each one's musharraf as they learned to become Real Estate Tycoons. Any judge and hopefully any jury can see that people that stupid are not going to sell anything as real estate agints.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 04:43
by disha
Lilo wrote:A noob question on US election....
What are the chances of DT being rejected by electors(in electoral college) and voting for hillary ?
Zero. Or put it this way if the above happens., US will have a civil war on its hands and the blue regions will lose!
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 04:59
by disha
pankajs wrote:Trumpanzee's biggest problem is going to be his own self. He is very impulsive and has no self control. Plus there is the Trump university case.
Trump University is tied in courts and has not much of a material affect on Trump., but yes darkha butts of US can do some #BlowToModi or do some #BlowTrumpet on that case.
Trump has personal problems., so else every leader. It is his impulsive mercurial ability to go by instincts is what going to put countries like cheen and bakistan and barbaria and his own state dept. on the edge.
Instead of hearing high-pitched whine about humanzee rights issues in cashmere from clintonites and bakistanis., the attention will be focused back on to US (and EU as well). In effect., all the humanzee watchers will be looking back at the big US of A and the EU instead and this will give the much needed strategic space for India to breath in its own backyard.
Already., the pseudo-libbies are on backfoot., they have to now explain the "rape melania" posters that they were proudly bandying about.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 05:00
by UlanBatori
Don't know about the "civility" of the war. If they pull a stunt like that (co-opt and bribe the delegates to vote against the candidate that they were sent to vote for) then others will feel that the Constitution has been betrayed. That would be grounds for people who are sworn to uphold the Constitution with their lives, to drive their vehicles to park them around the Capitol and WHOTUS and control access. First the motorcycles, then the pickups with the AR-15s, then the HUMVEES and tanks and the A-10s and F-15s.
If you haven't seen the annual Memorial Day congregation of motorcycles in DC, you may not appreciate the power of such a "demonstration". If they all rev up their Harleys together it's enough to make all the HiC protestors "go".
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 05:56
by UlanBatori
This is really amazing. 5 days after the Election, there is NO official US govt. tally of votes or state by state results? What's going on? Any insights anyone? It's like everyone went off saying "chalta hai' halfway through the job.
Aren't they supposed to count all votes and report final results? What's their hangup?
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 05:57
by ShyamSP
UlanBatori wrote:Don't know about the "civility" of the war. If they pull a stunt like that (co-opt and bribe the delegates to vote against the candidate that they were sent to vote for) then others will feel that the Constitution has been betrayed. That would be grounds for people who are sworn to uphold the Constitution with their lives, to drive their vehicles to park them around the Capitol and WHOTUS and control access. First the motorcycles, then the pickups with the AR-15s, then the HUMVEES and tanks and the A-10s and F-15s.
If you haven't seen the annual Memorial Day congregation of motorcycles in DC, you may not appreciate the power of such a "demonstration". If they all rev up their Harleys together it's enough to make all the HiC protestors "go".
That is why there is hell-raising for anytime somebody try changes for second amendment, the right to bear arms.
This is something Hindus in India should learn instead of being chickens to fight on some liberal world order issues.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 06:15
by Mihaylo
Followed this thread since Trump's nomination a few months ago. I just have to say that for people who didn't follow the MSM, this is not a surprise at all. We saw the the Trump Train coming for a few months now and knew he was going to win. She was a better candidate and no matter what the MSM threw at him his support never waned. That should have told smart people something, but then again, people following the MSM are not smart. Just my two cents and #MAGA
-M
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 06:19
by Yagnasri
As per reports, Priebus will be new Chief of Staff. Since he is Chair of GOP now. It may be a peace offer to GOP establish. But as it is DT, we do not know.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 07:01
by chanakyaa
UlanBatori wrote:This is really amazing. 5 days after the Election, there is NO official US govt. tally of votes or state by state results? What's going on? Any insights anyone? It's like everyone went off saying "chalta hai' halfway through the job.
Aren't they supposed to count all votes and report final results? What's their hangup?
It looks like the "official" count and stats are generally not available for 6-8 months based on past reports available here 2014 (made available in Nov'15) and 2012 (made available in July'13). No idea about immediate publications.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 07:16
by Gus
UlanBatori wrote:This is really amazing. 5 days after the Election, there is NO official US govt. tally of votes or state by state results? What's going on? Any insights anyone? It's like everyone went off saying "chalta hai' halfway through the job.
Aren't they supposed to count all votes and report final results? What's their hangup?
Wasn't it always like this?
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
As of Friday morning, he was behind by more than four hundred thousand votes. When all the votes are counted in California—as of Thursday evening, there were more than four million ballots still to be tabulated in a state that Hillary Clinton won almost two to one—Trump will likely have lost the national vote by more than a million votes and have received a smaller percentage of votes than Mitt Romney’s 47.2 per cent, in 2012.
The lesson of this narrow win is not that America is on an inexorable slide toward white-nationalist control of politics. This is no more true than the belief that the 2006 and 2008 elections, which saw massive gains for the Democrats, augured the death of the G.O.P. and a generation of Democratic dominance. We are in an era of close elections in which small shifts of voters produce profound effects. Had just over fifty-five thousand people in the three states with the closest results—Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania—changed their vote preference to Clinton, the Electoral College would have aligned with the popular vote, and many commentators would be exaggerating the meaning of Clinton’s victory instead.
Another way to measure the limits of Trump’s appeal is to look at how he fared compared to Republican senators who also ran for election on Tuesday. As Harry Enten noted at fivethirtyeight.com, Trump received a smaller share of the votes than the G.O.P. Senate candidate in ten out of the thirteen states where there was a closely contested Senate race. In other words, in states where Republican candidates such as Marco Rubio, in Florida, John McCain, in Arizona, and Pat Toomey, in Pennsylvania, ran with a more traditional Republican message, they performed better than Trump. This is perhaps the best piece of evidence from the election returns that Clinton was a more doomed candidate than many believed, and that she would have been even more easily defeated by a traditional Republican. It may even be possible that white nationalism cost Trump more votes than it gained him.
Trump and Republicans in Congress will almost certainly overinterpret their mandate, as victors often do.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 07:51
by habal
this is the 'real USA' redneck interviewer
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 08:24
by Singha
the poisonous palace courtier is at it again.
Steven Swinford, deputy political editor Ben Riley-Smith, assistant political editor
12 NOVEMBER 2016 • 10:00PM
Britain is facing a diplomatic crisis with the US over Donald Trump’s plans to forge an alliance with Vladimir Putin and bolster the Syrian regime.
In a significant foreign policy split, officials admitted that Britain will have some “very difficult” conversations with the President-elect in coming months over his approach to Russia.
It comes after Mr Trump used his first interviews since winning the US election to indicate that he will withdraw support for rebels in Syria and thank Vladimir Putin for sending him a “beautiful” letter.
Mr Trump said that he will instead join forces with Russia and focus on defeating Isil. He has previously said it would be “nice” if the US and Russia could work together to “knock the hell out of Isil”.
His views are in stark contrast with those of Theresa May, who has accused President Assad’s regime of perpetrating “atrocious violence” and said that the long-term future of Syria must be “without Assad”.
Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, has accused Russia of perpetrating war crimes over the deaths of hundreds of civilians.
The dramatic shift in US policy has prompted significant concern in the Foreign Office, and Britain will use the next three months before Mr Trump enters the White House to try to convince him of the importance of removing President Assad.
Mr Johnson is expected to fly to the US within weeks to meet with senior figures in Mr Trump’s administration and make clear that Britain believes that Mr Assad must go.
The diplomatic tensions emerged as a flotilla of Russian warships which passed through the English Channel has now arrived off the coast of Syria ahead of a major offensive against Isil.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 08:24
by Singha
the poisonous palace courtier is at it again.
The Telegraph
Steven Swinford, deputy political editor Ben Riley-Smith, assistant political editor
12 NOVEMBER 2016 • 10:00PM
Britain is facing a diplomatic crisis with the US over Donald Trump’s plans to forge an alliance with Vladimir Putin and bolster the Syrian regime.
In a significant foreign policy split, officials admitted that Britain will have some “very difficult” conversations with the President-elect in coming months over his approach to Russia.
It comes after Mr Trump used his first interviews since winning the US election to indicate that he will withdraw support for rebels in Syria and thank Vladimir Putin for sending him a “beautiful” letter.
Mr Trump said that he will instead join forces with Russia and focus on defeating Isil. He has previously said it would be “nice” if the US and Russia could work together to “knock the hell out of Isil”.
His views are in stark contrast with those of Theresa May, who has accused President Assad’s regime of perpetrating “atrocious violence” and said that the long-term future of Syria must be “without Assad”.
Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, has accused Russia of perpetrating war crimes over the deaths of hundreds of civilians.
The dramatic shift in US policy has prompted significant concern in the Foreign Office, and Britain will use the next three months before Mr Trump enters the White House to try to convince him of the importance of removing President Assad.
Mr Johnson is expected to fly to the US within weeks to meet with senior figures in Mr Trump’s administration and make clear that Britain believes that Mr Assad must go.
The diplomatic tensions emerged as a flotilla of Russian warships which passed through the English Channel has now arrived off the coast of Syria ahead of a major offensive against Isil.
Re: Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III
Posted: 14 Nov 2016 08:28
by Singha
RT. this is the stuff giving nightmares to palace courtiers like UK who profit from poor US-Rus relations
US President-elect Donald Trump has confirmed that he will most likely abandon the Obama administration policy on Syria to seek a possible rapprochement with Russia on the issue of Assad.
Global terrorism, Islamic State, Russian anti-terror op in Syria, Syria unrest
“I’ve had an opposite view of many people regarding Syria,” the 70-year-old Republican told the Wall Street Journal in his first interview since the election.
From the start of the Syrian war, Barack Obama’s foreign policy has been focused on the support and training of the so-called “moderate” rebel groups who were supposed to defeat Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) terrorists, and survive to eventually overthrow Assad. That approach became deadlocked this year when Washington failed to honor its obligations under an agreement with Moscow to separate their moderate rebel forces from internationally-recognized terrorists.
Trump, on the other hand, said on Friday that the US should be focused on fighting Islamic State, instead of pursuing regime change in Syria.
“My attitude was you’re fighting Syria, Syria is fighting ISIS, and you have to get rid of ISIS. Russia is now totally aligned with Syria, and now you have Iran, which is becoming powerful, because of us, is aligned with Syria... Now we’re backing rebels against Syria, and we have no idea who these people are.”
It has been widely documented and reported that American weapons supplied to the moderate rebels are often obtained by extremists in Syria. Those weapons, in turn, are being used by the jihadists to strike civilian positions and deploy them against Syrian forces.
The president-elect warned that if the US attacks Assad, “we end up fighting Russia, fighting Syria.”
The US coalition bombing of Syrian Army positions near the city of Deir el-Zour on September 17 led to the collapse of the US-Russian peace initiative.
Rapprochement in US-Russia ties could, however, be on the horizon after Trump admitted receiving a “beautiful” letter from Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump said a phone call between them is scheduled shortly.
Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are “very much alike... in their basic approaches toward international affairs,” Dmitry Peskov told the Associated Press earlier.
“[Trump] has been a very firm supporter of the idea of a good relationship between our countries, because we do carry a joint responsibility for strategic stability in the world, strategic security,” the spokesman said.
Immediately after Trump's victory, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow looks forward to restoring bilateral relations with the United States.
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