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Cosmo_R wrote:Of course, PRC was the only country that did not participate in the war against Germany (the Nationalists fought Japan not the communists) and yet you have President Eleven as guest of honor. It's Putin's signal that Russia and PRC are new power centers and junior partners like India are welcome to tag along but the true strategic partnership will be Moscow-Beijing.
That's just overboard. Fact is Russia needs allies and right now with sanctions and what not from the west, both China and India matter. As India's economy improves, with governance improvement, Russia's need for us will rise as well. Just good old realpolitik. Putin for all his tough talk is a very pragmatic guy. He manages exactly what he needs to, that is keeping Russia's periphery in his countrie's interests. He has not blown up trillions in foreign adventurism or being a Global cop. In short, his understanding of Russia includes an understanding of how & where Russia's economic limitations are, and the importance of China, India, LatAM, ME etc in the overall scenario. Right now his priority (I'd bet) is to manage the Ukraine issue & the domestic economy.
There's nothing we are going to 'get' from the Russians mitech-wise that is not also going to go to PRC.
China didn't get Arihant class assistance. Or the Su-30 MKI or the FGFA codevelopment/TOT offer.
Its straightforward, Russia develops x that goes to China, x+1 is for India & variant for Russia. Since Russia & China share borders, its just prudence.
Since they have the FGFA, Su-35 is up for export. When Su-30 MKI was the best, Su-27SK was for export. Since S-500 is up for development and progressing, S-400 is up for export, its how things are.
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Karan M wrote:China didn't get Arihant class assistance. Or the Su-30 MKI or the FGFA codevelopment/TOT offer.
Its straightforward, Russia develops x that goes to China, x+1 is for India & variant for Russia. Since Russia & China share borders, its just prudence.
Since they have the FGFA, Su-35 is up for export. When Su-30 MKI was the best, Su-27SK was for export. Since S-500 is up for development and progressing, S-400 is up for export, its how things are.
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Austin wrote:We can always take the donkey to the well but cant force it to drink the water.

Unfortunately our situation after 26/11 is like a donkey , We practically did nothing and were pretty happy with Status Quo.

All we do is keep collecting Arms for the next war but then the situation comes we just freeze.

When Parliament was in Attack and when BJP was in Power with Atal and the IRon MAN Advani was in power , we did nothing just played a defensive war in which we lost our own soldier and stuck to we will not cross the LOC when those pigs crossed and just by good fate and sacrifice managed to save those MP from certain anhilation.

Same goes after 26/11 , stupidty of sending notes to 126 country and practically what Price did Paki pay pretty close to nothing , The only thing is we managed to catch Kasab alive and hung him for H&D

The same goes for 93 mumbai blast , Any result .....None ?

I am also not counting the countless blast that happend in mumbai Delhi and else where with clear paki finger print.

So no matter who helps us if you are not capable of defending your own people not even God can help you.

Sorry for the Rant.
India's response to 26/11 was to develop Agony Punch. That was the right decision. That changed the geo-political balance in the world, by the way.

Regarding the 2001 attack on Parliament, Operation Parakram forced Musharraf to run to the U.S. and join its "Global War on Terror." That has led to a low-level civil war in Pakistan that has killed thousands of Pakistanis and ripped apart the Pakistani military.

India has responded to the murder of its citizens. It just hasn't responded in the ways that other countries thought that it would. This is wise: to engage in predictable responses means that one's responses can be gamed in advance. That is extremely dangerous. That is how Britain destroyed Germany in WWI and WWII--through provocations.
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Avarachan wrote:
India's response to 26/11 was to develop Agony Punch. That was the right decision. That changed the geo-political balance in the world, by the way.

Regarding the 2001 attack on Parliament, Operation Parakram forced Musharraf to run to the U.S. and join its "Global War on Terror." That has led to a low-level civil war in Pakistan that has killed thousands of Pakistanis and ripped apart the Pakistani military.

India has responded to the murder of its citizens. It just hasn't responded in the ways that other countries thought that it would. This is wise: to engage in predictable responses means that one's responses can be gamed in advance. That is extremely dangerous. That is how Britain destroyed Germany in WWI and WWII--through provocations.
How does the common man get justice if India develops Agony Punch ? Those who lost their every thing in terror attack.

Agni is a response to Nuclear Challenge India faced since 80's but India could not develop any credible respone to Terrorist Threat so far....it simply froze and never showed any courage to fight and when it did it was a defensive one.

Even of today Mumbai experiences a 26/11 like situation GOI response would be the same...... No one have hope or faith in GOI any longer
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Two factors that will ensure Indo-Russian relations to remain v.close.The anti-Russian neo-Cold War attitude of the West/US and the emergence of the dangerous Saudi-Turkish-Sheikhdom axis of evil,supporting the wild men of the desert in the M-East,refusing to toe Uncle Sam's line,esp. their Syrian strategy. The thaw in US-Iranian relations,where all 3 nations,Russia,China and India have and wish for closer ties with Iran,has alarmed the Sunni jihadi-imperialists,and who are doing their best to overthrow Assad and stamp their authority upon Iraq,Syria and isolating Iran.

As pointed out,Russian mil support to India is on a level above what it gives/sells to China. Deals with China are purely commercial. A recent article also questioned as to how long the Sino-Russian bonhomie would last,thoug it has peaked in recent times to a much higher level than earlier. India has made it very clear that it does not believe in a uni-polar world and sees itself as being part of a multi-polar world playing a key part given its size of population,economic strength and mil. power as a N-weapons state. Russia has no problem with India exercising its legitimate global influence,unlike China,which sees us a as its principal major rival in Asia.

Significant events in recent times has been the joint Sino-Russian naval drills in the Meditt. a first for China.Both India and China participating in the V-Day parade another first and strong signal to the rest of the world. Can Russia and Putin influence China to bury the hatchet with India? That is an intriguing Q.
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karanM wrote:China didn't get Arihant class assistance. Or the Su-30 MKI or the FGFA codevelopment/TOT offer.
Its straightforward, Russia develops x that goes to China, x+1 is for India & variant for Russia. Since Russia & China share borders, its just prudence.
This is not a bad thing from China's POV and could work in China's favour, since they just start with the design given to them by Russia and make it their own...may not work as well as the Russian stuff but they keep their defence production local in the long run and do not have to depend on third parties. India pays for the new generation stuff and may make modifications, but its local production of fighter aircraft is not sufficient to arm the IAF.
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Austin wrote:The last time Russia came to India's aid was in Kargil war where it gave Intelligence and Weapons support , While US was protecting its Munna and Sharif had to go to Clinton to beg US for a ceasefire.
First I'm hearing of Russian intelligence and weapons support during Kargil. Do you have sources?

The salient question here is - will Russia come to India's aid with intelligence and weapons support in the days leading up to a conflict with China?
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Tuvaluan wrote:
karanM wrote:China didn't get Arihant class assistance. Or the Su-30 MKI or the FGFA codevelopment/TOT offer.
Its straightforward, Russia develops x that goes to China, x+1 is for India & variant for Russia. Since Russia & China share borders, its just prudence.
This is not a bad thing from China's POV and could work in China's favour, since they just start with the design given to them by Russia and make it their own...may not work as well as the Russian stuff but they keep their defence production local in the long run and do not have to depend on third parties. India pays for the new generation stuff and may make modifications, but its local production of fighter aircraft is not sufficient to arm the IAF.
Well, China unlike India has its brains and desire well in synch. It wants to be a military power and is spending heavily for it. Espionage, designs from Russia then reverse engineering, indigenous development, all go hand in hand. They don't have the two step forward one step backward farce we do in India wherein we select a Rafale, then don't/can't buy it as planned, start a LCA, don't fund it for success then run down the program and so forth. India's GOI has been a shambles for the last decade, heres hoping things improve.
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Viv S wrote: ..
The salient question here is - will Russia come to India's aid with intelligence and weapons support in the days leading up to a conflict with China?
Going by experience of support during liberation of Bangladesh, the answer to the salient question is Yes. Including in the UN security council. And, by the way, it is not just about China but also about any other wars - including Kargil as mentioned.
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vishvak wrote:
Viv S wrote: ..
The salient question here is - will Russia come to India's aid with intelligence and weapons support in the days leading up to a conflict with China?
Going by experience of support during liberation of Bangladesh, the answer to the salient question is Yes. Including in the UN security council. And, by the way, it is not just about China but also about any other wars - including Kargil as mentioned.
That was 44 years ago and China did not participate in the war. In fact, coming as it did on the heels of the Sino-Soviet border conflict of 1969, India & the USSR actually had a common foe in the PRC. Its foolish to draw a parallel to today's geopolitical environment wherein the Russians-Chinese ties are the closest they've been in over 50 years.
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Also worth noting is that while we were represented by President Pranab Mukherjee, who's a Constitutional figurehead, the Chinese were represented by Xi Jinping himself, who was given a position of honour right next to Putin.

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China and Russia Grow Even Closer


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Xi Jinping’s appearance at Vladimir Putin’s side at the Victory Parade in Moscow signifies a deepened relationship based on a common adversary: the United States.


MATT SCHIAVENZA MAY 10, 2015

On Saturday, Russia staged a grand celebration in Moscow to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the country’s defeat Nazi Germany in World War Two. The occasion—which featured a military procession through Red Square—did not include the leaders of the United States, France, and the United Kingdom, who declined to attend out of protest of Russia’s interference in Ukraine. But of the 30 or so world leaders who did arrive, only one had the privilege of sitting beside Russian leader Vladimir Putin: Chinese president Xi Jinping.

As Russia’s relationship with the United States and its European allies grows worse, its ties to China have never been closer. On the eve of the parade last Friday, the two countries announced 32 separate bilateral agreements, including a non-aggression pledge in cyber warfare. The deals complement a $400 billion deal made last May, when Russia agreed to ship 38 billion cubic meters of natural gas each year between 2018 and 2048 to China. And next week, Russian and Chinese naval vessels will conduct live drills in the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

In remarks published last week in Xinhua, China’s official news service, Xi Jinping ascribed the closeness between China and Russia to the their shared sacrifice in World War Two. “Decades ago, the Chinese and Russian nations shared weal and woe and forged an unbreakable war friendship with fresh blood,” he said. But in the seven decades since the war, relations between the two haven’t always been warm—when they existed at all. Ideological and geographical disputes triggered a Sino-Soviet split in 1960, and over the next three decades the two countries had a more adversarial relationship with each other than either had with the United States. This division was the primary geopolitical rationale behind Richard Nixon’s decision to re-engage China in 1972.By the late 1980s, Sino-Russian relations began to thaw, and in 2001 the two countries cemented ties through a landmark “friendship agreement.”

Despite many differences and possible points of contention, China and Russia are united by a major strategic interest: disrupting the United States. Beijing and Moscow have found common cause on the United Nations Security Council, where they have repeatedly blocked U.S.-led foreign policy initiatives. And when Washington and its European allies slapped sanctions on Russia’s economy after Moscow’s forcible annexation of Crimea, Beijing remained neutral—despite non-interference being the bedrock principle of Chinese foreign policy.

Both Russia and China have sought to challenge American hegemony by creating new multilateral institutions. The Moscow-led Eurasian Economic Union links together Russia, Armenia, Kazakhstan and Belarus, economies with a combined GDP of more than $4 trillion. Meanwhile, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, headquartered in Beijing, has snapped up 57 members since its formation last year, including countries like the United Kingdom that joined over American objections. Major Chinese initiatives like the New Silk Road Economic Belt and 21st Century Maritime Silk Road—referred together as “One Road, One Belt”—will feature road, rail, port, and pipeline investment across 65 countries in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Europe with a combined population of 4.4 billion. In the United States, meanwhile, President Obama has struggled to persuade Congress to pass the far less ambitious Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Geopolitical analysts have argued that the Sino-Russian friendship is unequal, and that Moscow needs Beijing far more than Beijing needs Moscow. China’s close ties with energy-rich nations like Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, once joined with Russia in the Soviet Union, gives it leverage in negotiating energy deals. Despite the bonhomie generated by Xi’s visit to Russia, the two sides failed to agree on a price for a new pipeline linking Western Siberia to China. Yet these details are unlikely to spark a rupture in ties.

“We are strong if united but weak if isolated,” Xi Jinping told Xinhua.

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Philip wrote: Can Russia and Putin influence China to bury the hatchet with India? That is an intriguing Q.
Maybe Putin can convince China to form another NAM with the locus of gravitas as India ?
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KrishnaK wrote:
Philip wrote: Can Russia and Putin influence China to bury the hatchet with India? That is an intriguing Q.
Maybe Putin can convince China to form another NAM with the locus of gravitas as India ?
Russia wants India around to offset China. Russia is playing the deep game in which China absorbs all the hits for them on their Eastern Flank while they focus on holding the line in the West. China knows this and thus will never treat India with respect.
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Russia is turning Asian power and thus reversing the last 250 years of history. It was the European wars of mid 1700s that saw emergence of Russia as European power. Now that phase is over.
Russia in west, India in south, China in east are the Asian citadels.

Russia and India cooperation could finish the West Asia problem of radical Islam and that benefits Chain too.
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ramana wrote:Russia is turning Asian power and thus reversing the last 250 years of history. It was the European wars of mid 1700s that saw emergence of Russia as European power. Now that phase is over.
Russia in west, India in south, China in east are the Asian citadels.

Russia and India cooperation could finish the West Asia problem of radical Islam and that benefits Chain too.
Perhaps but Russia is already in permanent decline b/c their birth rates are far too low. Chechens and others will pick up the slack but with that comes more Islam.
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KrishnaK wrote:
Philip wrote: Can Russia and Putin influence China to bury the hatchet with India? That is an intriguing Q.
Maybe Putin can convince China to form another NAM with the locus of gravitas as India ?
Not gonna happen. The PRC thinks they can neuter us regardless. WTF is a NAM with locus as India? Russia and PRC know what they want from us. Do we really know what we want from them that they will hand over?

If we do any of this (which I greatly doubt), we shoot ourselves in everything from the waist down.
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Lets not assume PRC growth is permanent. WEST can shut the market for China and Decline of Dragon will be faster than Chinese success story. India must play the cards right and not align with any power in long run.Even half the success like that of China can put India in good central position to extract benefits from all contesting parties.
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Ambassador calls Russia India's primary military partner
NOVOSIBIRSK, May 21. /TASS/. India is interested in the development of military and technical cooperation with Russia, especially with regard to air force, Indian Ambassador to Russia Pundi Srinivasan Raghavan told reporters in the Siberian city of Novosibirsk on Thursday.

"Russia is our primary military partner - in the past, in the present and it will remain in the future," the ambassador said. "It doesn’t matter that there is a little bit of diversification in India’s military cooperation with other countries. It does not affect our cooperation with Russia."

He noted that India was particularly interested in joint projects in the field of air force - be it aircraft or helicopters, adding that the two sides had new opportunities for cooperation.

"We are actually interested in developing all areas of cooperation with Novosibirsk. We know that Novosibirsk is a center of science and technology. We are very interested in increasing the number of joint research programs between India and Novosibirsk region, between Indian and Novosibirsk institutions, in joint research in science and technology. We are interested in taking this forward to commercialization of new technologies developed in both countries" the Indian ambassador noted.
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"Russia Eyes Massive Nuclear Submarine Deal with India"
http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/th ... ndia-12997
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Warsaw-Moscow Train Service - Russian Railways ( Picture )

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Russia Economy: Labour based Stagnation

An opportunity for India to work out a deal with Russia where Indians account for the bulk of required immigrants. Win-win for both parties...India gains from having Indian-origin human capital entrenched in key economies and strategic locations across the world.
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Dont think its crebible at all , MKI is already upgraded to near Su-35 standards called Super MKI.

35 also dont have twin seater configuration and RuAF train on Su-30SM to move to Su-35 which is a thoroughbred Air Superiority Fighter by that I mean its primary function
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India to sign free trade deal with Russia-led Eurasian Economic Union

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The Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) and India have started negotiations over the free trade zone agreement and signed a framework agreement at the International Economic Forum in St. Petersburg.

"The two regions are big, anything done together should naturally lead to bigger outcomes," said Indian Minister of State for Commerce Nirmala Sitharaman.


The Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC) Trade minister Andrei Slepnev said the country was ready for a similar deal with Iran soon.

“I think that in general this whole complex of measures forms a clear picture of our priorities for cooperation with partners in the Asian region, which now have the highest growth rate, and generally support the global economy,” he said.

Trade between Russia and India fell to $9.5 billion in 2014 compared to $10.1 billion a year earlier, according to the data from Russia's Ministry of Economic Development.

On May 29 Vietnam became the first country to sign a free trade agreement with the EEU. Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev then said that around 40 countries were holding talks on some kind of agreement with the union.
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Russian have developed Supercomputer using their own Elbrus-4C processor

http://politikus.ru/industry/52262-ross ... odukt.html

Russian supercomputer based on 256 processors Elbrus - serial product

As the website of the Russian developer of processors and microelectronics MCST submitted in the spring of 2015 the first serial domestic rack server based on the 4-core Elbrus-4C - is part of a new class of super computer computing system performance of 13.8 teraflops!

Russia's new computer system - a rack cluster based on local servers, in which a total of 64 integrated modules of 4 processors each. All 256 processors - is a 4-core Elbrus-4C (800 MHz per core) on domestic motherboards where the slots of RAM installed dies totaling 6 TB, and the total amount of disk space the whole complex is 32 TB. The performance of such a computer system class super computer is 13.8 teraflops.

At the end of 2015 it is expected to create the next generation of Russian computer systems based on the 8-core processor Elbrus-8C (1.3 GHz per core). The developers have also confirmed the ongoing work on the processor Elbrus-16C and a series of decisions based on it.
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Belgium decide to act against Russian embassies. Apparently to retrieve money from Russia in relation to the $50 billion Yukos arbitration decision.
Now Russia has threatened to react in kind.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-preparing- ... 10128.html
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in televised comments that Russian entities impacted by the moves were preparing to go to court to force the freezing of the assets of "foreign companies with government involvement" in Russia.
The speaker of Russia's parliament Sergei Naryshkin described the asset freezes in Europe as "highway robbery."
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The BrahMos Project: History and Outlook

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In 2016 it will be 15 years since the first launch of the PJ-10 BRAHMOS supersonic cruise missile. Let us recall the key milestones of the Russian-Indian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace, which is one of the most successful international cooperation projects in the military rocket industry.

In 1983 India launched its ambitious Integrated Guided Missile Development Program. As part of that program, Indian rocket scientists and engineers developed the Prithvi and Agni ballistic missiles, which now constitute the country’s nuclear-missile shield. But conflicts of the post-Cold-War era – especially the Gulf War – put into stark relief the need for cruise missiles to augment the ballistic missile arsenal. The need was keenly felt by the Indian Navy. For a rapidly rising naval power such as India, achieving technological and military superiority in the Indian Ocean was a crucially important goal.

Any attempt by India to develop an indigenous supersonic anti-ship missile would have faced numerous technological challenges that would have taken many years to overcome. That is why the Indian leadership chose to seek technological partnership from Russia. The two countries already had a wealth of experience in defense technology cooperation at the time, including cooperation in the area of missile weapons. For example, in the 1980s the Indian Navy leased the K-43 nuclear submarine from the Soviet Union; the boat was renamed the INS Chakra. In 1985-1986 Soviet industry developed a special export version of a submarine-launched cruise missiles called Ametist-OP specifically for that submarine. There were also plans to deliver an export version of the Malakhit-15E missile system to the Indian Navy, but they were never implemented. Both of the aforementioned missile systems were developed by NPO Mashinostroyenia (NPO Mash), a leading erstwhile Soviet and Russian developer of sea-based cruise missiles. This is why the Indians chose that reputable Russian company as the main technology partner for the BrahMos project.

In February 1998 the Russian and Indian governments signed an agreement to set up the BrahMos Private Limited joint venture. The name BrahMos is a combination of the first syllables in the names of two great rivers: the Brahmaputra in India, and the Moskva in Russia. On behalf of India the agreement was signed by Abdul Kalam, a leading Indian rocket scientist who was serving as head of the Defense Research and Development Oranisation (DRDO) at the time, and later became the President of India. This demonstrates how important the project was for India. The BrahMos program was not just about building a powerful and capable missile. As part of that program, India has also gained access to the latest missile technologies that can be put to good use elsewhere.

The project immediately began to make rapid progress. Thanks to the experience and expertise of NPO Mash. On 12th June 2001, BrahMos performed the first test launch from a stationary launcher at a firing range on the Chandipur coast. In August 2001 the BrahMos missile was displayed for the first time at the MAKS 2001 international airshow in Moscow. The first test-launch of the missile from a ship was conducted in the year 2003 in the Bay of Bengal. The first test-launch from a mobile ground launcher followed in 2004. In 2006-2009 the Indian armed forces placed order on BrahMos for BRAHMOS supersonic cruise missiles. In 2008, for the first time, BRAHMOS missile was successfully launched from INS Ranvir in vertical configuration.

At present, three regiments of the Indian Army are armed with BRAHMOS missiles. The fourth regiment will be armed with BRAHMOS Block III. 09 Indian Naval ships installed with BrahMos weapon system.

The Indian Navy also plans to install these missiles on other new ships, such as Project 17A frigates (there are plans to build seven of them) and a new series of fleet destroyers (the first ship in the series, the INS Visakhapatnam, was laid down in October 2013).

The long list of ships and ground units armed with the BRAHMOS is an excellent demonstration of the missile’s main distinctive feature, which is versatility. The Indian armed forces required a missile that could be launched from the ground, sea, and air. Such a solution translates into large savings on manufacturing, service and maintenance, and personnel training. In the near future, new BRAHMOS modifications will also be installed on aircraft and submarines.

In 2008 efforts began to integrate the BRAHMOS into the weapons systems of the Indian Air Force’s Su-30MKI multirole fighters. Two aircraft were modified at HAL Nasik to undergo the necessary fitment. Several important changes were made, including a redistribution of the load on the load-bearing parts of the airframe. In February 2015, during the Aero India-2015 expo in Bangalore, the first Su-30MKI fighter fully modified and capable of being armed with the air-launched version of the BRAHMOS-A supersonic cruise missile was delivered to the Indian Air Force. The ceremony was attended by Suvarna Raju, head of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, and Sudhir Mishra, head of the Russian-Indian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace among other high profile guests from the Indian Air Force. Indian submarines will also be armed with the new cruise missiles. The first BrahMos launch from a submerged platform was conducted in the Bay of Bengal in March 2013. These missiles are a strong contender for fitment in the new generation of India’s non-nuclear submarines, the Project 75I boats.

The Indian armed forces have already received several hundred BrahMos missiles. Also, BrahMos Aerospace is very close to signing its first export contract. Interest in the new cruise missile has already been expressed by Vietnam (which is an important Indian defense customer), Malaysia, Indonesia, South Africa, Brunei, Chile, Brazil, and Venezuela. The company therefore has all the reasons to be optimistic about the future.

What, then, are the main reasons behind the project’s success? First of all, both Russia and India needed it to succeed. India required a modern missile system that can be launched from different carriers, as well as the underlying technology. For Russia – and especially for NPO Mash – the BrahMos project was badly needed breath of fresh air amid the severe economic crisis of the 1990s. Gerbert Efremov, honorary chief designer of NPO Mash and developer of the P-800 Oniks missile system, which pioneered many of the solutions later used in the BrahMos, once said that the Indian contracts were instrumental in keeping the Russian company afloat. Even the first few consulting contracts signed with the Indians enabled NPO Mash to retain dozens of key specialists; without their expertise, many of the company’s current projects would have been impossible. The signing of the actual contract to build the BrahMos missiles enabled NPO Mash to start investing in new equipment and personnel training programs for the first time since the late 1980s.

The experience of running joint ventures with foreign partners gained as part of the BrahMos program was also very valuable for the Russian defense industry. That experience includes ways of overcoming red tape, the modalities of technology transfer, and coordination of efforts during the development of new weapons systems. In essence, the program has been the golden standard of defense industry cooperation, and an example to be emulated by other cooperation projects of 21st century in this area. Without the success story of BrahMos Aerospace Ltd, other large Russian-Indian programs would have been impossible. These include major undertakings with large Indian participation, such as the FGFA fifth-generation fighter program.

Nevertheless, obviously mutual benefit itself will not guarantee the success of a joint venture. It also takes leaders who can push the project forward despite obstacles, persuade people, and solve various managerial and technical problems. In that sense, the BrahMos project was lucky to have the leadership of Abdul Kalam, India’s leading rocket scientist who later became the President of India. He drew up the key requirements and specifications for new missile system, secured financing for the project, and facilitated coordination with the Russian partners. An invaluable contribution to the program’s success was also made by A. Sivathanu Pillai, the first CEO&MD of the joint venture. It is under his guidance that the project achieved key milestones, including the first test launches, the signing of the first contracts, and entry into service with the Indian Army and Navy.

In 2014 he was succeeded by Sudhir Kumar Mishra as the head of BrahMos Aerospace Ltd. Dr. Mishra has a huge wealth of experience in the rocket industry. He began his career in the 1980s working in Abdul Kalam’s team on India’s Integrated Guided Missile Development Program. He later worked on several joint missile projects with Russia and Israel (BrahMos and the Barak SAM system, respectively). His achievements have been recognized by several prestigious Indian awards, including the DRDO Scientist of the Year award in the defense R&D category in 2009, and the Machinist Super CEO title in 2015.1 In addition, Dr. Mishra has rich experience of working in Russia; he spent several years serving as Counsellor Defense technology at the Indian Embassy in Moscow.

The new BrahMos Aerospace chief has set some ambitious objectives before the company. These include completing the launch from Su 30MKI; launching mass production of the airborne and submarine-launched versions of the missile; and developing a more compact version, designated as the BRAHMOS-NG(Next Generation). Contracts with Russia for the development of the BRAHMOS-NG are expected to be signed in the near future.2 A significant reduction in the missile’s size and weight will make it possible for Su-30MKI jets to carry a complement of three missiles, making that plane significantly more capable in destroying targets at sea and on the ground. This will also enable the Indian Air Force and Navy to use it with other aircraft, such as the MiG-29K carrier-based fighter, the indigenously designed Tejas light fighter, and the Rafale fighters supplied by France. Additionally, the BRAHMOS-NG can be offered to many foreign customers who operate Russian and European-made combat planes. Finally, miniaturization solutions developed for the BRAHMOS -NG can later be used by BrahMos Aerospace specialists in the development of a compact missile for the future FGFA fifth-generation fighter, which will carry its main weapons in internal bays.

The main challenge for BrahMos Aerospace and its Russian partners, however, is to develop a hypersonic missile. A mock-up of a BRAHMOS hypersonic version, designated the BrahMos-II, was unveiled at the Aero India exhibition in 2013. It was announced that the future missile has about the same range as the existing BrahMos versions, but will be able to reach the velocity of up to 7M, making it almost invulnerable to modern air defense systems. The project faces a whole host of complex technological challenges, such as developing a reliable hypersonic engine, a new targeting system, and new super-strong materials. Nevertheless, successful experience of cooperation between Russian and Indian specialists gives reasons to believe that they will be up to the task. A hypersonic version of the BRAHMOS will take the capability of the Indian and Russian armed forces to a whole new level, providing additional security guarantees for the Eurasian continent in the 21st century.
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Pundi Srinivasan Raghavan: Indian-Russia relations are not affected by external developments

Indian Ambassador to Russia Pundi Srinivasan Raghavan has given an interview to Interfax ahead of the BRICS and SCO summit in Ufa in which he speaks about India‘s attitude to the two organization, as well as bilateral Indian-Russian ties.

Question: To what extent and why India is interested in the BRICS format? Does India consider this format a means of countering the attempts made by some Western countries to even further consolidate their leading position in global politics?

Answer: In recent years, BRICS has emerged as an important multi-lateral forum for consultation, coordination and cooperation on contemporary global issues of mutual interest. The agenda of BRICS meetings has considerably widened over the years to encompass issues such as international terrorism, climate change, food and energy security, global economic trends, sustainable development and WTO deliberations. We have convergences in the position of BRICS countries on the elements of a democratic, multi-polar world order.

BRICS brings together five major economies, comprising approximately 40% of the world’s human resources and about 25% of the world’s GDP. Together, they constitute a global economic powerhouse. Also, there is considerable potential for strengthening intra-BRICS cooperation in areas like online education, affordable healthcare platforms, virtual BRICS University, small and medium enterprises, tourism, youth exchanges and science and technology. We hope to see forward movement in these areas in BRICS 2015.

Therefore, we can say BRICS today plays an important role in global politics and economics.

Q.: What is India‘s attitude towards the fact that Russia is under sanctions and partly isolated over the situation in Ukraine?

A.: India has enjoyed a close relationship of friendship, trust and mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia over many decades. We term our relationship today as a special and privileged strategic partnership. Our relations are not affected by external developments.

Regarding Ukraine, we support an end to violence and conflict in that country, and support diplomatic efforts to resolve all issues in a way that meets the aspirations of all sections of Ukraine’s population and in harmony with the legitimate interests of all countries in the region.

Q.: Does Delhi plan to switch to national currencies when handling settlements with Russia? When might this happen?

A.: Answer: India and Russia have been discussing trade in national currencies as an initiative for significantly increasing volume of bilateral trade. Our Central Banks have set up a Joint Working Group to work out the modalities. There have been talks between the EXIM Bank of India and the Vnesheconombank of Russia for a guarantees cooperation arrangement, towards facilitating loans in local currencies for Indian and Russian companies seeking to invest in each others’ countries. Such arrangements could boost mutual investment.

Q.: India and Pakistan are close to joining the SCO. Why is Delhi interested in this organization? Can the membership of India and Pakistan in this organization assist the further normalization of relations between the two countries?

A.: The Shanghai Cooperation Organization is an important regional mechanism for cooperation in the areas of economy, regional security, counter-terrorism, energy, transport connectivity and culture. India has been actively associated with SCO as an observer since 2005 and we have stated our willingness to play a larger role in the Organization as a full member.

As for your question relating to our relations with Pakistan, India seeks peace and friendship with all its neighbors on the basis of mutually beneficial economic cooperation and mutual sensitivity to core concerns. We follow a bilateral approach to developing such relations and do not bring them into multilateral organizations.

Q.: Is there an opportunity to consolidate effort within the SCO framework given the growing terrorist threat in Afghanistan?

A.: As we have already mentioned, SCO is an important mechanism in many areas including counter-terrorism and regional security. The organization can play a positive role in addressing regional security concerns in its neighborhood.

Q.: India and the United States have recently renewed the bilateral military and technological cooperation agreement. Can this have a negative impact on Russian-Indian interaction in the military and technological sphere?

A.: The relations between India and Russia have always been characterized by long-standing friendship and mutual trust. Russia is an important strategic partner of India and will remain so. It is our leading partner in military-technical cooperation and the only country with which India has an Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation headed by the defense ministers. Our military-technical cooperation is intensive and multi-faceted and is not impacted by other bilateral relationships.

Q.: Is Delhi concerned about the development of military and technological cooperation between Russia and Pakistan?


A.: As India’s Ambassador to Russia, my focus is on India-Russia bilateral relations. It would not be appropriate for me to comment on Russia’s relations with third countries.

Q.: Is Delhi interested in developing energy cooperation with Russia? Russia‘s Zarubezhneft Company earlier planned to increase its activities in India. Has the Indian side made any practical steps in this direction?

A.: Russia is a major energy producer and India is one of the faster growing energy consumers. Obviously we would like to see an expansion of energy cooperation with Russia. Oil India Limited (OIL) has signed a [memorandum of understanding] MOU with M/s. Zarubezhneft, Russia during the India-Russia Annual Summit on December 11, 2014 at New Delhi. The two sides are exploring specific projects in which they can collaborate for joint research and evaluation. At the annual Summit in December 2014, both the countries placed special emphasis on identifying specific projects for cooperation in hydrocarbon sector. Our major oil and gas companies are in touch with Russian oil and gas companies towards this goal.
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Russia supported the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting ways at the FATF meeting in Brisbane:

Russian stance against Pakistan's terror financing surprises India
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^^^^^

Better get used to that. Nothing unusual. Nations always look after their interests.
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arun wrote:Russia supported the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting ways at the FATF meeting in Brisbane:

Russian stance against Pakistan's terror financing surprises India
Russia is playing courtship of Pukistan - partly due to its own self interest and partly due to encouragement from China. Some of it is message to India to not get too cozy with US. India needs to cultivate better intelligence of Russia and make periodic re-assessment of Russian plans and intentions. Cold war is over and Russia is lot more preoccupied with Europe and China (and of course US) than India. There is less and less strategic component in India - Russia relations. We should work closely with Russia to ensure that our long standing friendship continues in a solid manner.

All these cold realities aside, it baffles me as to why Russia would play cozy with Pukis who were singularly responsible for humiliation of Russia in Afghanistan? I thought Russians have lot of pride and a long memory. What gives?
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IT has to do with two factor.

Russia recognises Pakistan would be the dominant power after US leaves Afghanistan and cannot afford to Ignore , not that the Pak are not now.

About 30 % of Afghanistan narcotics enter into CIS which is a major headache for Russia

Afghan Heroin Flow Channeled to Russia
http://www.globalresearch.ca/afghan-her ... ssia/19314

Can the United States and Russia Jointly Combat Afghan Heroin?
http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/can-the- ... an-heroin/
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Time to kick the Russians out of all equations.

There is unease in Delhi over recent stand that old ally Russia took at a recent anti-terror financing meet organised at Brisbane by opposing move by India to demand censure against Pakistan for its inaction against JuD & LeT. (I hope Russians will soon get special paki love in chechnia and in Moscow soon)

While New Zealand and Australia also opposed the move, India is surprised with Russia's position which in the past has been very supportive of India's stand on Kashmir to the extent of vetoing resolutions in UN Security Council.

Official sources indicated that the Russia will be sensitised of India's position. Prime Minister Narendra Modi will hold talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Ufa on sidelines of BRICS and SCO summits and counter terror cooperation will be part of talking points. BRICS too will deal with threats from ISIS.

Russia's stand is not without context. Last year India raised with Russia it's displeasure over Moscow's decision to sell arms to Pakistan. Moscow, however, feels that it needs Pakistan to counter terrorists in the Af­Pak region and control drug trade in Afghanistan, sources indicated. The Afghan issue will also be part of Putin­ Modi discussions.

New Delhi wants a reassurance from Moscow that its recent military cooperation agreement with Islamabad would not hurt core security interests of India. Pakistan Army Chief recently visited Moscow for defence cooperation dialogue.

While New Delhi had nothing to say about bilateral ties between two other nations, it expects that Russia would not be oblivious of its decades­ old and time ­tested relations with India.

Russia's decision to strike a defence deal with Pakistan appears to be a reaction to India's move to enter into closer ties with the US.
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pakistan is more critical to their interest as they will be keeping out isis type of groups from eating up the central asian republics. there was probably some nudging from china as well.
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You mean Pakistan will help them in keeping out ISIS from entering their backyard? How so? What makes you think Pakistan has any control or influence on ISIS? In fact having raised and trained terrorists and hence ridden the Islamic Terrorism horse expertly for so long the Pakistanis are shit-scared at the prospect of ISIS now entering Pakistan. The Pak jabis are also shitting bricks on Pakistani TV talk-shows that their influence will be gone in Afghanistan if Taliban looses out (and indeed it is happening) to ISIS.
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India should let it be known to Russia that they (ie: Russia) should not entertain any hard feelings in the event of any incidents regarding the gas pipeline in areas of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that are inhabited by Baloch, Mohajir, Sindhi and Pathan who are suffering oppression by Punjab Province. As a good friend of India’s, Russia should be strongly advised to ensure that they take all steps to insulate themselves from effects of any incident that impacts the proposed gas pipeline:

First ever meeting: Nawaz, Putin agree to expedite process for North-South gas pipeline agreement
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This pipe line would eventually come to india and india would support it like it supported Iran Pakistan pipeline which got shelved under US pressure

The other proposed pipeline is extension of China Russia pipeline to india both option are studied by Delhi , google
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