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This is an account of the Mukarram Pasha case when it happened...


http://www.indianexpress.com/news/every ... r/404284/0


Every Saturday, he flirted with danger

Posted: Tue Dec 30 2008, 23:24 hrs
Bangalore:

In Bangalore's underground, nocturnal world of street-racing and stunts, 20-year-old Mohammed Mukarram Pasha was a bit of a legend. His friends have on their mobile phones video clips of Mukarram riding "wheelie" for several kilometers on various bikes.

Though his truck driver father and housewife mother disapproved, Mukarram found an excuse every Saturday night to slip away in a leather jacket and jeans, to flirt with danger on the streets. To many of his friends, Mukarram was the showpiece of the weekend stunt riding and driving.

Nobody ever imagined that the speed rushes could result in a bullet wound death for Mukarram — chased by traffic police and shot by an army sentry on the suspicion of being a terrorist, after he refused to turn himself in.

"He could perform amazing stunts on a motorcycle -- ride on a single wheel for three to four kilometres. He was a good athlete. We have a large collection of medals and trophies that he brought home. What can I say, he is gone now? He was a small boy not a criminal, they could have caught him," says Mukarram's father, Mushtaq Ahmed Khan, who was 300 km away, driving his truck when he was informed of his only son's death.

One of the last phone calls Mukarram made was a frantic one at around 1:20 am to his mother, while hiding on the roof of the residence of Brigadier P S Ravindranath, the army's sub-area commander for the Karnataka and Kerala region.

"He told his mother he had been chased by the police while riding a friend's bike and that he fell down and was hiding in the army property. He asked her to send help," says Arshad Khan, a 28-year-old first cousin who was contacted in the early hours of Sunday by Mukarram's mother.

"I was some distance away, so I asked another cousin, Imran, and some friends who were at an eatery nearby to go to help Mukarram in their car," says Arshad, who is shown in the records at the St Philomena's Hospital as the person who brought Mukarram in.

According to Imran and other friends, who reached the main road outside the Brigadier's house, Mukarram was clambering over the compound wall when they heard a sound like a firecracker from inside.

"Mukarram made it to the car and slumped in the arms of one of the boys who was sitting behind. He was not talking and there was some blood smeared on the friend's hands. They decided to go to the nearest hospital where they were joined by Arshad," says Saud Khan, an older cousin.

According to the hospital records, Mukarram was brought dead. The preliminary post-mortem and forensic reports said a single bullet of 5.56 mm caliber fired from an Insas weapon pierced the youth's body, rupturing his liver and heart. The approximate distance from which the weapon fired has been put down at 10 feet plus.

The bullet was fired by Havaldar Umashankar Sharma, say police records. Meanwhile the Army has ordered an internal inquiry into the incident. The Bangalore police have registered a case under IPC Section 448 for house trespassing and Section 103 'when the right of private defence of property extends to causing death, against the deceased.

The heightened security alert around the country after the November 26 attacks in Mumbai also triggered the action, police said. The shooting incident occured exactly three years to the day of a terrorist attack at the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore.
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@Sachin:

The Mukarram case is a very sad case. A young boy lost his life, and a future was cut short. But he took wrong action, and should have stopped when ordered to by the police, and definitely when ordered to by the Army sentry. Running from the law may seem like a joke, or a thrill to youngsters, but serious consequences can result, especially when in a restricted area.

Anyway running into a ministry of defence zone days after 26/11, and refusing to stop when ordered, was pure madness, occasioned perhaps by his fear of being sent to jail.

This case being launched, is nothing but some sort of opportunism by some vested interests, who are playing on the familys grief. I completely understand their pain. Their only son is gone. And though it was, in some way, also his own fault, that doesnt make the pain any less. Someone seems to be trying to gain political mileage from the death, which is an utterly reprehensible act.

Anyway, I can tell the family members right now not to bother wasting their time and money on this court case. No liability for damages can accrue against the state (central govt, represented by the army, or, even the state of karnataka), in a case like this.

It is admitted that he trespassed, to avoid consequences of his illegal activity.
It is admitted that the area into which he trespassed was a restricted army zone.

In tort law, this is known as a case of damnum sine injuria, or damage, for which there is no remedy in law.

The reasons why this case is unlikely to succeed from the start, are as follows:

Sovereign Immunity of the State
In such cases, the doctrine of sovereign immunity holds good. No suit can lie against the state, in the exercise of its sovereign functions. Protection of an Army zone, especially in a time of heightened security is a sovereign function of the state, represented by the Army (case of Bakshi Amrik Singh v. UOI lays down precedent). Power of police to pursue, and arrest a miscreant is also a sovereign function, as is made clear by tort law. The case of Kasturi Lal Ralia Ram Jain v. State of UP places police functions in this category.

The action was undertaken in exercise of a statutory power.
The police has statutory power and duty to apprehend persons for performing acts like rash and negligent driving, etc. The army has statutory power and duty to protect defence zone territories. When exercising statutory power, officials are not liable.

The action was a result of plaintiffs own default
Amply illustrated by the trespass. In such cases liability does not accrue.

For the above reasons, in tort law, this case is an unlikely candidate for success from the start.

Its a very sad case. I hope noone is taking undue advantage of the familys understandable grief, to try and make money, or mileage of any sort.
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hmmm Interesting that there is no menion of WHY he was running away from the cops if he had nothing to hide?? Had he stopped and not had the police chase him at best they'd probably summons him for his daredevil act of riding a "wheelie" rather than unfortunate circumstances that lead to his demise... Rest assured may god bless his soul and he rest in peace...

Added Later: I suppose the Army Sentry after yelling halt, COULD have fired a warning shot, but maybe circumstances prevented him from doing that? (I don't have an answer to that) but there's a possiblity...or shooting him in a leg, but if he was in an unrestricted zone, there is NOTHING preventing the army from executing thier one shot one kill motto.
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Craig Alpert wrote: Added Later: I suppose the Army Sentry after yelling halt, COULD have fired a warning shot, but maybe circumstances prevented him from doing that? (I don't have an answer to that) but there's a possiblity...or shooting him in a leg, but if he was in an unrestricted zone, there is NOTHING preventing the army from executing thier one shot one kill motto.
It was shortly after 26/11. Noone was taking any chances.
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Sachin wrote: In the Kolkotha PS attack case, the Army refused to hand over the accused soldiers to the civilian authorities.
Eh? So the police decide to beat up people and that is okay? Since you're keen on the army publishing CoI reports and doing a media blitz about the results could you perhaps point out links to where the Policemen involved were punished as well? Or even when any mention is ever made about the policemen involved again? Even were they not Army officers, the police should not simply be thrashing people for crossing streets should they?

Also serving officers and jawans are under the Army Act of 1950. And save for murder, culpable homicide and rape of someone not subject to this Act any Army officer or jawan is to be tried under this Act by a CoI. The officers in question belong to a battalion I'm intimately familiar with and produced IDs before they were thrashed. So the police were aware of their status under the law. At this point they decided the laws (and not just the Army Act) don't apply to them and decided to thrash the officers. This was as this article from outlook states, verified by independent witnesses. Your logic seems to be that the Police can act high and mighty and in complete disregard for the law of the land but God forbid that anybody in the Army should fight back in self-defense. I also like the insinuation about Army law and the fairness of the CoI with the corollary praise on the (widely well-known)transparency of the civilian system. Perhaps you should, as Rahul Mehta would say, frame a draft law and lobby your MP to get it changed. As it stands however, this is the law. And you don't seem to think it is out of line for the Police, whose job you would think is the enforcement of such, to completely flout it.
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Has anyone noticed the common trend here? Anyone from the police seems free to come on TV (or print) and shoot his/her mouth off (strangely there are enough female IPS officers around, but one does not see them spewing such arrogance on mdedia.), while the Army folk are constrained to keep their mouths shut. By the time the details are clearly known, media has moved on to the next "flavour" of the day/week/month.

Obviously, relying on media for new on such incidents will make the Police (or anyone else) seem like angels, because they can scream about their innocence, while the Army people look like louts. This is hardly how once can correctly access the situation.
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anjan wrote:Since you're keen on the army publishing CoI reports and doing a media blitz about the results could you perhaps point out links to where the Policemen involved were punished as well?
Media regularly reports when policemen have been taken to task for high handedness. I can give you three cases off hand.
1. A former DIG is now serving his jail term, for an encounter which he did way back in 1970s (Kerala).
2. Three PCs are facing murder charges for a lock up death which happened in Fort PS, Thiruvanathapuram (Kerala). Now the CBI is prosecuting the then SHO, SI and one more senior rank.
3. Another set of police officers of Palakkad Town North PS (Kerala) are now about to face music for another custodial death. Investigation is now done by CBI, even after K.P said that their own Crime Branch would handle the case.

All these I can get regular updates from media. How many similar cases are reported in the case of Court Martials (especially in the case of Army v/s Police, or Army v/s civilian clash).

schowdhuri wrote:Has anyone noticed the common trend here? Anyone from the police seems free to come on TV (or print) and shoot his/her mouth off (strangely there are enough female IPS officers around, but one does not see them spewing such arrogance on mdedia.), while the Army folk are constrained to keep their mouths shut.
Not feeling happy about that eh? To take a cue from anjan, that is the current situation/law. Why not make a draft, or make changes in policy guidelines? ;)
Obviously, relying on media for new on such incidents will make the Police (or anyone else) seem like angels, because they can scream about their innocence, while the Army people look like louts.
Tough luck! :D. Quoting anjan again perhaps you could come up with a draft....

I had decided to move out of this topic yesterday, but then some one has to bring it back again :D.
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ASPuar wrote:I remember this case quite well.
Even I too followed this case quite well, albiet for other reasons.
Nevertheless, the police maintained that there was no irregularity, and the sentry was well within his rights.
I dont know how the Army managed this. But I could see that all official communication channels were opened and procedures followed. The police and army worked out their case well and within the next day the Police had declared that no murder charges would be levelled against the sentry or any one else (that was the first demand at that time). The area where the firing happened was clearly an Army area (that too a high security area). The dead chap did not have any right to be there at the dead of the night. No one-up man ship from any of the parties (Army or Police).
This case being launched, is nothing but some sort of opportunism by some vested interests, who are playing on the familys grief.
I have my doubts here as well. The family is grieving so much now, were they never worried about their son keeping away from the house all through the night? His mother now wants to bring out the 'conspiracy' behind this case (what consipracy? Brig. Ravindranath & Police Commissioner Shankar Bidari decides to pick him up in the evening, place him at the home's terrace and shoot him? :D).
Craig Alpert wrote:Interesting that there is no menion of WHY he was running away from the cops if he had nothing to hide??
If what I came to know is true. There is one big gang of these youngsters who try out their stunt riding in the Inner Ring Road, Old Air Port road area in Bangalore. Speeding, wheeling, doing other circus is their sole aim in life. This usually happens late in the night. On this night the traffic police men were out there to catch such people. Mohd. Pasha ran into one such party. He did not stop, perhaps he knew his goose was cooked. The police men also would have found it tough to note down the number since it is night. I dont know if this chap was also under influence of liquor or drugs.

The sad part in our country is that even a suspected criminal becomes an angel, if he is dead or maimed for life. If it was a police firing which killed this chap, I am sure that the entire police team would be now suspended and running from one court to another.
Had he stopped and not had the police chase him at best they'd probably summons him
Heh..heh ;). The numbers of these motor bikes are not clearly visible in the dark. See the news report which posted a couple of posts above. Many of them also dont have number plates at all. Many of the riders try to flee from the police, because the police have slower bikes and would not be expert riders as these youngsters are. But for Pasha, looks like the SI was a more tough nut to crack. The SI and and the PC on the motor cycles followed him.
I suppose the Army Sentry after yelling halt, COULD have fired a warning shot, but maybe circumstances prevented him from doing that?
Pasha was hiding in the terrace of the Brig's home. All the sentries in ASC and the Officer's guard were now alert. They could not figure out where this chap was hiding. That is when the sentry hears some one speaking in Urdu (it was Pasha speaking in Urdu to his friends, asking them to wait outside the wall). Then all of a sudden (I guess Pasha saw the car waiting for him outside) Pasha pops out of the terrace and tries to make a dash to the walls. The sentry asks him to stop, and then fires.
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Sachin,

Usually I keep away from this thread, but the sentries could have no idea about the motivation of the unknown person at that time. For all he knew the chap was in the premisis to kill the General. After all not that long ago IIS campus had been attacked. So his acting and shooting PC was a justified act in the circumstances.

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Pratyush wrote:Usually I keep away from this thread, but the sentries could have no idea about the motivation of the unknown person at that time.
I have not said any thing which meant the sentry was at fault :). In Bangalore there have been at least two cases where IAFP folks have shot dead (or severly injured) thiefs who used to enter an IAF camp to cut down sandalwood trees. There would be an initial hue and cry, but the police makes it clear that the thief was at a "wrong place at a wrong time" :D. In the case of Mohd. Pasha also the same thing has happened. Infact his actions made me think that "God of death" was really guiding him that day.

In Bangalore if I am not mistaken the Defence folks and Police has a kind of coordination office which regulary meets and discusses all issues and concern. Because of this "one-up man ship" cases does not arise and all things work smoothly.
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Sachin,

I am sorry if I came accorss in a way which suggested that you said the that sentry was at fault. That was not my intention.
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Sachin wrote:
I dont know how the Army managed this. But I could see that all official communication channels were opened and procedures followed. The police and army worked out their case well and within the next day the Police had declared that no murder charges would be levelled against the sentry or any one else (that was the first demand at that time). The area where the firing happened was clearly an Army area (that too a high security area). The dead chap did not have any right to be there at the dead of the night. No one-up man ship from any of the parties (Army or Police).
Not sure what there was to manage. It was an open and shut case, with clear precedent in law and procedure. I am sure both the army and the police authorities knew what it was about.
Sachin wrote:I have my doubts here as well. The family is grieving so much now, were they never worried about their son keeping away from the house all through the night?
Im sure the family was grieving all along, which is natural. But now some loser has turned up, and is trying to maneouver the grief in a particular direction, for his own purposes. Particularly given the fact that the boy was from the 'minority' community. In law, as I said, the case is a dud.
Sachin wrote: His mother now wants to bring out the 'conspiracy' behind this case (what consipracy? Brig. Ravindranath & Police Commissioner Shankar Bidari decides to pick him up in the evening, place him at the home's terrace and shoot him? :D).
Exactly. I cant imagine what the 'conspiracy' that they will try to prove will be. More likely, some crook is saying "we will go to court", knowing full well that the case will fail. And once it fails, he will probably use it to fan communal hatred. Taking advantage of peoples ignorance of the law.
Sachin wrote: If it was a police firing which killed this chap, I am sure that the entire police team would be now suspended and running from one court to another.
If the chap had been sitting on the Bangalore CP's terrace and been shot by a security cop? I doubt that any police team would have been suspended. Probably have been given an out of turn promotion for doing their job.
That is when the sentry hears some one speaking in Urdu (it was Pasha speaking in Urdu to his friends, asking them to wait outside the wall). Then all of a sudden (I guess Pasha saw the car waiting for him outside) Pasha pops out of the terrace and tries to make a dash to the walls. The sentry asks him to stop, and then fires.
Again, I think this "Urdu" bit is a bit of masala on the part of whoever is pushing the case. To a North Indian, like myself, Hindi and Urdu in their spoken form are largely the same, in the essentials, and cannot be distinguished. I think the "Urdu" scene has been thrown in, only to emphasize the deceased's community. Still, if it seemed like there was a suspicious conversation in progress, in a language not usually used in Blore, it may raise even more doubts. And it was an emergent situation.
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ASPuar wrote:I think the "Urdu" scene has been thrown in, only to emphasize the deceased's community. Still, if it seemed like there was a suspicious conversation in progress, in a language not usually used in Blore, it may raise even more doubts. And it was an emergent situation.
I did not get this "Urdu" part from media :). Got it one of the chaps who knew this case quite well. Infact the sentry became extra alert after he heard this Urdu talking, especially as this was not a language commonly used across Karnataka. And yes there were security alerts as well. Thanks to the modern day realities, a person entering a high security area, then hides there and then starts speaking in fast Urdu. A sure recipe for disaster ;).
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The sentry in this case ought to recieve a comendation for quick thinking and devotion for duty. That the young man died is unfortunate, but none can save those whose time had come.
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Sachin wrote:
ASPuar wrote:I think the "Urdu" scene has been thrown in, only to emphasize the deceased's community. Still, if it seemed like there was a suspicious conversation in progress, in a language not usually used in Blore, it may raise even more doubts. And it was an emergent situation.
I did not get this "Urdu" part from media :). Got it one of the chaps who knew this case quite well. Infact the sentry became extra alert after he heard this Urdu talking, especially as this was not a language commonly used across Karnataka. And yes there were security alerts as well. Thanks to the modern day realities, a person entering a high security area, then hides there and then starts speaking in fast Urdu. A sure recipe for disaster ;).
Unless it was very chaste Urdu (unlikely from a hotshot biker), I doubt if anyone could have told the difference. Which of course isn't to say the sentry was at fault, even a Sanskrit speaking fellow hiding in a restricted area in the dead of night, dodging the police and ignoring a challenge from an armed guard is liable to be shot.
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We would be having a totally different decision if the guy had a suicide vest on. There was no way the sentry could have taken a chance. He was 10 feet away. And given the timing, it must be put down to misfortune and the Mukarram guys stupidity. Nothing else. A heavy price to pay, sure, who cannot agree on that... but such things happen.

>even a Sanskrit speaking fellow hiding in a restricted area in the dead of night, dodging the police and ignoring a challenge from an armed guard is liable to be shot.

EXACTLY
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Sachin wrote: Media regularly reports when policemen have been taken to task for high handedness. I can give you three cases off hand.
1. A former DIG is now serving his jail term, for an encounter which he did way back in 1970s (Kerala).
2. Three PCs are facing murder charges for a lock up death which happened in Fort PS, Thiruvanathapuram (Kerala). Now the CBI is prosecuting the then SHO, SI and one more senior rank.
3. Another set of police officers of Palakkad Town North PS (Kerala) are now about to face music for another custodial death. Investigation is now done by CBI, even after K.P said that their own Crime Branch would handle the case.

All these I can get regular updates from media. How many similar cases are reported in the case of Court Martials (especially in the case of Army v/s Police, or Army v/s civilian clash).
Since you quoted a specific instance I asked for action on that instance. That outlook article mentions other similar acts of the WB Police that day incidentally. CoI cases too are reported. Today I saw one about some Col. on his higher command course. Generally they aren't mentioned because it is of little interest to anybody but the Army. I'm not sure you realise just how many CoIs are being conducted at any given time even within a small station for how many things. Police high handedness directly and continuously affects the general public and is likely therefore to be mentioned more often in the media. Unless the Army is deliberately hiding information then I see nothing to complain about. If you want specific information write to the JAG. If the media is not reporting on stories of specific interest to you then that is hardly a failing of the Army.
Not feeling happy about that eh? To take a cue from anjan, that is the current situation/law. Why not make a draft, or make changes in policy guidelines? ;)

Tough luck! :D. Quoting anjan again perhaps you could come up with a draft....
Are you really drawing an equivalence between framed laws being thrown in the thrash by enforcers of the law and media failures of the Army?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12014274

something useful the UK has come up with - for a change.
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Good..........

How will the Maoists respond to this?
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shukla wrote:Indian Army Chief to be honorary Nepal Army General
If I am not mistaken this is not any new arrangements. It is kind of a tradition that existed even before. I think the Nepal Army's General also have some privileges like these given by IA.
Pratyush wrote:How will the Maoists respond to this?
Perhaps by declaring the head-honco of Maoists in India as their head-honcho also? ;).
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And so we see, that this was primarily a civilian scam, engineered by a civil servant in the defence estates dept, which has control over defence land, and helped along by babus in the Maharashtra government. Not even 50% of the houses in this so called defence society were alloted to defence officers, being alotted to such worthies as the Mumbai collector, the Chief Information Commissioner Maharashtra, and relations of the then CM.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... HC/727668/

Everybody who cleared Adarsh file was gifted a flat: Bombay HC


Mumbai Pulling up the Maharashtra government, the Bombay High Court today observed that the controversial Adarsh Society smacked of "a clear-cut case of manipulation" by its officers in which everybody who was supposed to clear the file was "gifted" a flat.
In scathing remarks, the court also observed that the state government seemed to have gone "out of the way" to please former army chiefs Deepak Kapur and Nirmal Chandar Wij, who were initially not allotted flats because they were not state residents for 15 years, but later got the flats as "exceptional cases".

A Division Bench of Justices B H Marlapalle and U D Salvi also asked why the state government had not filed any FIR against the guilty.

The court made the observations while hearing a petition filed by Adarsh Cooperative Housing Society challenging cancellation of occupation certificate and disconnection of water and power supply by the civic authorities.

"You took action against the Society, what about the government officers? Why no FIR has been registered till now?" the High Court asked.

After going through records pertaining to the Society, and to the approval granted to its members in stages, the court said: "It is a clear-cut case of manipulation by the collectorate, the state revenue ministry and urban development ministry. Everybody who was supposed to clear the file was gifted a flat," the court observed.

The High Court also observed that contrary to the government's stand, the land on which the building stands was in the possession of the Defence Ministry, but this status was altered by the order of P V Deshmukh, a deputy secretary with the Urban Development department in 2004.

The judges referred to the relevant letter by Deshmukh while passing this remark. "How did this happen? Everything changed after this... No CBI inquiry is going to help now," said Justice Marlapalle.

Reading aloud some of the names in the list of members, the court wondered how people staying in Sangli or Kolhapur came to know about the Adarsh allotment, or could afford a flat there.

Adarsh lawyers, senior counsel Rafiq Dada and Janak Dwarakadas, had earlier deplored the fact that the occupation certificate was cancelled and water and power connections cut off without giving any hearing to the Society.

Justice Marlapalle noted though the Society was earlier meant for Defence personnel, not even 50 per cent of the current 104 members were from the Defence services.

The judge suggested if members with a background with the Defence forces were willing to shift to the first 12 floors of the 31-storey building, the court may order interim restoration of power and water supply up to 12 storeys.

The lawyers sought time till December 23 to get instructions from the Society.
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According to the Indian Pension Camp, there are around 6,000 disabled ex-Indian Gorkha soldiers. The Indian Army chief said that there are 35,000 Nepalis serving in the Indian Army, while 120,000 are retired soldiers.
http://www.ekantipur.com/2010/12/22/nat ... as/326872/
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^^

Most of the Civilian depts in the MoD, like the MES, AFHQCS, IDAS, IOFS, and IDSE are non performing depts, in the best case scenario. In the worst case, they act actively against the armed forces, ensuring that benefits do not reach them, cases drag on forever on simple pension issues, and many other such matters. Corruption is rife.

In the ideal scenario, these departments would be wound up, and seperate corps within the services would take over these functions. I can think of many very deserving officers boarded out medically because of disability attributed to services, who could easily handle these functions with retraining. The US army maintains its own Finance Corps, headed by a Lieutenant General. The IAF already has its own accounts branch headed by an AVM.

In the above article, I find it quite amusing, that "expert" property developers, who would love to get their grubby paws on defence land are giving their "considered opinion". Ha ha.
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Latest on Pune commd hospital case. Looks like a motivated article. Seems as though the CBI hasnt found anything after all. And, to top it all off, the comments of the vendor on whose complaint the case was started, are quite telling.


http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... be/730172/
Command Hospital bribe case: Is CBI going slow on probe?


MANOJ MORE
28 Dec, 2010

Pune:
Three weeks after the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) raided the Command Hospital in connection with a bribery case, it doesn’t seem to have made any headway.

The CBI officials refused to reveal at what stage was their investigation and whether any further arrests would be made in the case.

CBI superintendent Vidya Kulkarni said they were looking into the matter, but would not give out any details. “If we reveal the details of the investigation, it would alert the accused,” she said.

On the public perception that the CBI was not serious about probing the case since it involved the Army, Kulkarni said: “Let people think what they want to, but we are doing our job.” As to why there was so much delay in arresting the accused despite lodging a case of bribery, she said they were conducting proper investigation before taking the action.

About Army’s reported statement that it would not allow access to stores in-charge, who has been booked for taking bribe, Kulkarni said: “We are investigating the case from all angles and would file the charge sheet at the appropriate time.”

On December 3, the CBI had swooped down on the Command Hospital following a complaint from vendor Kannan Nambiar of Shashi Enterprises, Chinchwad, which supplied medicine to the hospital.

Nambiar had, in a written complaint to the CBI headquarters in New Delhi, listed several irregularities allegedly committed by the hospital management.

He had specifically mentioned that he had installed an air conditioner in the hospital after the officials refused to release his payment of Rs 32 lakh for the medicine supplied.

Following his complaint, the Pune Anti-Corruption Branch of the CBI held a series of meetings with Nambiar to know the going-ons in the hospital.

Nambiar had, among other things, alleged that every vendor was being asked to provide “something” to get their payment or order. He submitted the bill of the AC he had installed at the hospital. Armed with the bill, a team of CBI officials swooped down on the hospital on December 3. For eight hours, the Command Hospital staff cooperated with them, but the moment the CBI sought to take possession of the alleged AC installed by Nambiar, chaos ensued.

The CBI alleged that Army personnel led by Hospital Commandant Major General S S Panwar obstructed them from carrying out their duties and did not let them take possession of the AC.

CBI officials alleged they were first virtually thrown out of the hospital and the area was cordoned off by Army personnel holding lathis.

It was only after the CBI sought the help of the police, things cooled down. The CBI then filed a complaint against Panwar for obstructing their official duty and against the stores in-charge Praful Mohan Sharma for taking bribe.

Meanwhile, Nambair said he was disappointed that the CBI had not taken any concrete action yet. “Without fear of anybody, not even the mighty Army, I, an ordinary citizen summoned guts to complain against the Command Hospital. Now, the CBI should gain public confidence by acting against the hospital. Otherwise, people will lose faith in the CBI,” he said.
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India's plans to counter the China threat
By 2020, the army seeks to have a full-fledged Mountain Strike Corps in place. According to sources in the MoD, the army has recommended that infrastructure in India's border areas, along the over 4000 km boundary with China, be upgraded swiftly to enable it to deploy more troops and operate effectively in the difficult terrain.
Now the Tezpur-based 4 Corps will look after the Kameng sector in western Arunachal Pradesh with the deployment of three Mountain Divisions.

The Army Corps based in Rangapahar will now be in charge of eastern Arunachal Pradesh and will have three Mountain Divisions operating under it.

At least two more divisions to be raised in the next five years will then enable the army to have a dedicated Mountain Strike Corps to be either placed in the sensitive terrains of north-east or Ladakh.
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^^^The Corps based in Rangapahar is the 3 Corps.
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The war within MoD to MEA: propose, dispose

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-w ... se/733396/
Early last year, the Home Ministry was keen on inducting the Armed Forces into Maoist zones in a measured manner. But Defence Minister A K Antony refused to let the military get involved, backing the Army’s insistence that it could not enter into such a fight without promulgation of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) in those areas. Finally, it was decided that the military would not be in the forefront of the fight but would provide the necessary assistance.

When it came to Jammu and Kashmir, the Defence Ministry resisted any amendment to the AFSPA. The Home Ministry piloted a set of changes to make the Act more humane, but it is yet to make any headway. Sources said the PMO is keen about this and wants to consider district-wise removal of the Act. But Antony is believed to have dug his heels in after consultations with the Armed Forces. Even recently, the Home Minister brought this up in the CCS but made no breakthrough.

Antony had some support within the CCS on his resistance to the induction of the Army into Naxal areas, including from Singh and Mukherjee. On the removal of AFSPA from the Valley, he has been on his own.
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Chiefs of the Three services have apparently been summoned by the PAC over CSD irregularities pointed out by the CAG.

The army chief has said theyll go, but expressed unhappiness over the unprecedented move.

I wonder whether it isnt a protocol violation... Service Chiefs are much higher on the WoP than plain vanilla MP's.
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Earlier it was only vice-chiefs who went to the panel. But now the panel seems egged by some disgruntled/misguided MPs who want to pull the service chiefs and give the WOP a bye.

Who are the PAC members?
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Gopinath Munde is the chair, I think...
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Murali Manohar Joshi is the chairman of the PAC
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Bofors Hampered Army Modernisation: Army Chief
Against the backdrop of the Bofors gun deal controversy, Army Chief General V K Singh today said the modernisation of the artillery has been hampered, for which he blamed both military and civilian authorities.

"There have been faults, some in uniform and some out of uniform. Now we are on track to ensure that this mismatch that has happened over a period of time is amended," Singh told reporters here.

The Army chief was asked if he was concerned about the artillery modernization against the backdrop of the recent developments after the Income Tax Appellate Tribunal said that kickbacks of Rs 41 crore were paid to late Win Chaddha and Italian businessman Ottavio Quattrocchi in the Howitzer deal in the 1980s.

Despite several attempts, cancellation of tenders due to various reasons has not allowed the Army to induct any new artillery gun in the last 25 years after the controversy surrounding the Bofors guns snow-balled into a big political issue since the late 80s.

Hoping that the Army would shortly do away with the deficiencies, Singh said the country was capable of winning a war even with the artillery guns presently available in its inventory.

The Army presently uses a mix of 105 mm field and 130 and 155 mm medium artillery guns for carrying out its tasks and has plans to acquire over 2000 howitzers of different calibres including ultra-light, self-propelled and towed guns.

Asked about the reports suggesting possibility of arrest of former Army chiefs in the Adarsh Cooperative Housing scam, Singh said, "Whatever the CBI has done, I am not aware of it. But whenever they want somebody, we are giving full support. Army's aim is that no bad hat, if he has done something, should escape."

"Whatever is happening is against a minuscule number and it will not have any impact on the morale of the Army. We are insulated from it ," he added.
:roll: hmm, actions of few, cause the rest to bear the grunt!
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The 'arrest' of former army chiefs is extremely unlikely.

First of all, mere holding of a property in an impugned complex is no proof of wrongdoing. Second, neither of them were ever in a position where they could have directly given approvals for this malfeasant project (SAC). Thirdly, arrest for such offences is not required, while investigations are on.

Lastly, one of those former army chiefs held, till recently, the rank of Minister of State in the GoI. Do you think he will be arrested?

However, VK Singh is deluded if he thinks that any of this does not effect the morale of his men. If they see army chiefs being paraded like common criminals through courts, it will certainly be a major blow to morale.
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^^^ Forget arrest, even establishment of "criminality" fro charges to be framed in court will be a problem in the Adarsh case..The rulebooks in such cases are pretty scrupulously adhered to..The BJP President Gadkari wasnt way off the mark when he described (Yediyurappa's actions) as "immoral, not illegal" -the Adarsh case is similar..
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/defen ... y/733601/2

Defence roundup from Express...
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AFMC, affiliated institutes celebrate 247th anniversary

The Armed Forces Medical College, Pune, and its affiliated teaching hospitals, including Command Hospital (Southern Command), Military Hospital (Cardio-thoracic Centre), Military Hospital (Khadki) and Artificial Limb Centre, are celebrating the 247th anniversary of the Army Medical Corps this week.

Lt Gen D P Vats, SM, VSM, Director & Commandant, AFMC, said, “Army Medical Corps has added immensely to its record of distinguished service to the nation during 2010. The Corps has received grateful acknowledgment of the humane and selfless service rendered by its officers, nursing officers, JCOs and other ranks to the Indian Army and the nation from the highest echelons of the service.” In August 2010, Maj L J Singh of AMC became the first Medical Officer to be awarded the nation’s highest peacetime gallantry award, the Ashok Chakra.


Lt Gen Parnaik takes charge of Northern Command

Lt Gen Kaiwalya Trivikram Parnaik assumed command of the prestigious and sensitive Northern Command on January 1. The General belongs to Pune and is probably the first Maharashtrian officer to command the most important and operational Northern Army. Gen Parnaik is a third generation officer from the infantry who has always been in the forefront. He commanded second Rajputana Rifles of Kargil Fame and a sensitive infantry brigade in J&K during Operation Parakram where he was awarded Yudh Seva Medal. His higher command experience includes Mountain Division in Sikkim and a Corps in Arunanchal/Assam where he was awarded Uttam Yudh Seva Medal for his outstanding services.

Ex serviceman felicitated

Ex-serviceman Bajarang Nimbalkar was awarded and felicitated by R N Joshi, divisional revenue commissioner, recently. Nimbalkar, who has been an active participant in various social activities was given a certificate and Rs 5,000. The event took place during the annual flag day collection ceremony that concluded at the district cooperative bank. Speaking on the occasion, district welfare officer Shirish Karajgi said, “We have been meeting the targets for the flag day collections annually and will continue to do it more effectively over the years to come.”
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