Telangana Monitor

[Muppalla]

Okay it is Friday and can spend some time.

How can he ask anything ? He has to beg on is knees before rajamatha and wait for her kindness. Remember how Sheela Dekshith was treated. Congress do not like any leaders other than Sonia family. So Jagan had to be kicked our for daring to ask for something which he thought his right.

Narayana Rao garu, the issue here is different from rest of the congress culture. In other states there are competing leaders with varying amounts of clout and trying competetively for the goodies. The high command (Gandhi icon) will decide who is best for them. In good olden days of Indira she wanted every one to be just dumb as she is the one who can bring victory to the party. Sonia system is non Indira system. Sonia is dependent severely on the abilities of the local satraps. It is true that local satraps compete.

In AP there is only one satrap (YSR) and the rest is worse than useless politically. Neither she nor her son has the abilites to even pull off a decent rally there. In such a situation, one will wait and nurture alternative satraps before taking on the main one. He she is going ballistic from the minute YSR died.

what I am saying is so far there is no convincing answer and also we cannot assume that INC is stupid. Daal mai.n kuch kaala hai.

The popular and immediately reason (illogical but faith based) for YSR’s death is his supposed attempt to give part of Turumala hills to Church and organizing conversion activities on the 7 hills. It is believed that the God was angry and for that reason YSR is killed.

The theory is God will be angry again and this time against the centre and hence Jagan is being sidelined. (The illogical/bizzare CTs)

This Anti YSR group in congress is all the old leaders totally dependant on Sonia’s good grace. As Muppallaji says none of them can win a seat on their own.

What I am saying is even with Sonia's grace they cannot even win a seat. See the case of longest serving PCC chief D.Srinivas since YSR took over. He lost two times consecutively.

One more wild card that was thrown in the game is Purandareswari (NTR’s daughter who is now in Congress) She belong to another powerful caste (kamma) while Jagan is a Reddy based person. She has now come out openly against Jagan. I am sure this was done with full blessings of the Sonia. Entire northern costal MP seats are now held the Kamma caste people. The rumor in Hyderabad is Kamma business man and industrialists are now being provided all the help and all their files are processed fast etc.

This is a fundamental problem inside Kammas with respect to specifically Chandrababu Naidu that has led to this situation of emergence (still emerging ?) of Kamma leadership inside INC which never existed before. Per some unwritten good old days history when the Nayakas (the warrior class of Telugus) divided into Kammas, kapus, Velemas etc., there was a nomadic group that decended from Multan, Punjab into the coastal areas of Krishna, Godavari and Guntur districts. The Kamma-Nayaks(Naidus) merged with the Mulatnis (let us call Multani-Kammas) via marriage. However, though they do biz they still kept a distinct difference when it comes to power projection. This Multani-Kammas are menacing and cut throat in terms of enterprenuership of power projection. As long as NTR was there there was no problem but they do not like CBN. This is when Guntur and Vijayawada started firmly moving to Congress from a non-penetratable TDP bastons.

In fact the rumor is Ramoji Rao (another Multani - funny to say that way:) ) wanted to create an alternative Kamma party as he does not trust CBN. In that persuit Loksatta with Jayaprakash was encouraged by Ramoji. Jayaprakash was supposed to be married to one of several daughters of NTR but did not materialize.

If there was a real inheritor from NTR clan instead of CBN, it would have been possible to see all these Lagadapati Rajagopal etc. in TDP rather than in INC. We may see a movement from INC to TDP before elections.

However, there is a realization that this split is no more good and are converging to bring back TDP.

In AP Vaisya (Rosayya is a Vaisya ) and Kamma communities have business close relationship since long. So a powerful Vaisya and Kamma business lobby may be or already formed in the state behind INC central leadership.

This is the interesting part. GMR (Vaisya/bania) being touted as next Tirumala chairman comes from this angle as well. Rossiah is trying to be a leader of Vaisya community and it is rumored that he is passing several details of the cases etc. to CBN for the purposes of keeping the check on Jagan. But see Kammas consider TDP as their party and the commoners next time will not vote to Kavuri Sambasiva Rao or Purandareswari. They would like bring TDP back and get out of this unruly mess.

By the way the Telangana formation delay after declaration is not because of some great people' movement. Who cares people anyway. It was a threat by this combo (GMR types + Coastal Kamma biz folks) that made the rollback of Telangana.

The INC central leadership is using Chiranjeevi, TRS, and Telangana congress leaders, so called seniors in the congress to attack Jagan. All the mining licenses etc to his family and people are being either under review or already withdrawn. The rumor is state party will be cleaned of YSR influence after September 2010.

This is not going to change the equations. These are just several options that are being tried to stop folks joining Jagan.

[Yagnasri]

This Dal mai kala is the feeling of most of the people in AP and that is giving scope for all the bazar conspiracy theories about the death of YSR also. Kammas are now trying to something and Purandhareswari's actions are also part of that. All these people have Ramoji as their Rajaguru and irrespective of their party affiliations they act in common interest. As i wrote Kamma and Vaisya people have lot of common business interests.

Today Andhra Jyothi has published a news item saying that INC want to kill two birds with one stone by giving Talangana (which is ensure party future in Talangana and check mate Jagan) Some how their logic is beyond me. One way to remove Non Telangana opposition is to make Hyderabad a union Territory.

I do not know how for these steps will help INC. I think INC now lost control of the situation in AP and totally confused. When you have a leader at the top ( and her son) who does not know head and tail of anything in India you can not manage things for irrespective of the power your party has or the quality of your advisers.

[kmkraoind]

N Rao saab,

All that is fine, I need only one answer, why does INC Central/Sonia System want to get rid of Jagan. He is not asking for too much, just become a CM like his father. We are all missing something here, why would sonia/INC want to retain this state even if jagan has a mafia just like his dad.

I can see only 2 reasons

1. They want to use ysr's demise to get rid of his family politics --- but why?? i have no clue

2. They dont like jagan --- again why, I have no clue

Before YSR becoming CM he is first among top leaders, but after becoming CM, the scene has become first versus rest. After becoming CM first time he looted mercilessly AP (without fleecing people and even doling free goodies to lower income strata people (best tactic used by YSR without getting too much unpopular). They usually concentrate on contracts and mining as their mode of income and their main business houses are spread in TN, AP and KA evenly (I know because I am from Pulivendula). He even shared his loot with high command since AP is biggest state in Congress pocket.

After second time becoming CM, he seems be emboldened by his capacity and started implementing his own agenda (sometimes mildly rebuking high command) and now he become a powerful regional satrap even bigger than Sharad Pawar. He has enough money and muscle power even to challenge Gandhi's clan, though not done.

Answer to questions
1. Congress needs soft leaders like Manmohan, Jaipal Reddy who have no clouts of their own, but useful to Congress. Congress wanted only intellectuals or working horses, but not charismatic leaders who can carry their own poster banners.
2. They want only Gandhi clan to remain power forever and they do not like another powerful clan emerging in Congress, so they are scuttling Jagan's power as much as possible.

[Yagnasri]

Correct. INC dont want any strong regional leaders. We know how they have treated SM Krishna in Karnataka and as I already wrote how they have treated Sheela Dekshit. There must be only one leader (two now) from one family and all other people are slaves to her ( him).

comming back to T agitation. has any one seen what is happend in OU today. I wonder what is in TRS mind. Do they think they will win statehood with this kind of actions? some times people are asking a very serious question " does TRS really wants statehood???"

[Muppalla]

This Dal mai kala is the feeling of most of the people in AP and that is giving scope for all the bazar conspiracy theories about the death of YSR also. Kammas are now trying to something and Purandhareswari's actions are also part of that. All these people have Ramoji as their Rajaguru and irrespective of their party affiliations they act in common interest. As i wrote Kamma and Vaisya people have lot of common business interests.

Today Andhra Jyothi has published a news item saying that INC want to kill two birds with one stone by giving Talangana (which is ensure party future in Talangana and check mate Jagan) Some how their logic is beyond me. One way to remove Non Telangana opposition is to make Hyderabad a union Territory.

I do not know how for these steps will help INC. I think INC now lost control of the situation in AP and totally confused. When you have a leader at the top ( and her son) who does not know head and tail of anything in India you can not manage things for irrespective of the power your party has or the quality of your advisers.

As the SKC report is going to coming out in couple of months, the center wants to resolve the AP problems. In that persuit, MMS had a lengthy discussion with ML Narsimhan, the Governer of the state. Per Andhra Jyothy or ABN news channel it seems that he clearly mentioned divison of AP with Hyderabad as UT and seperate capitals to the two states. The perimeter of Hyd UT being floated is the current outer ring road.

If that is the proposal then the state is heading for anarchy with more violence etc. I believe that kind of proposal (lemon) is only to kill the Telangana state formation and nothing else.

[Yagnasri]

Todays happenings also does not help Telangana cause. Did anyone saw the manner in which TV9 telicasted the warning to teachers from some JAC fellow daring them to come to valuation tomorrow and see what happens. I fear we are heading for something tragic here.

[Dasari]

While trying to speculate the reasons for Sonia's actions against Jagan, let us not forget his political experience was less than 6 months at the time he claimed the reins of the state. They might have genuinely thought that he had to wait for his turn. (Of course, Gandhi's are above the law, and they may give all kind of reasons why the rule didn't apply to Rajiv Gandhi). However they underestimated the YSR's hold on AP and Jagan's willingness to capitalize it.

Having burnt all the bridges, the only escape route for Jagan is the formation of Telangana state. Should a split occur, he will take the sentiment of samaikyandhra in Seemandhra and hammer INC out of Andhra Pradesh. When Anakapalle MP Sabbam Hari, a very conservative guy when it comes to showing his cards, comes out openly supporting Jagan, attacks Puandareswari and risks his future in INC, it is clear to me they are sensing that T will be formed and their escape path made easier.

I expect that in next few weeks some of the Jagan's team to up the ante on samaikyaandhra or the injustice to be done for seemandhra with the creation of T state.

[Rony]

Per some unwritten good old days history when the Nayakas (the warrior class of Telugus) divided into Kammas, kapus, Velemas etc., there was a nomadic group that decended from Multan, Punjab into the coastal areas of Krishna, Godavari and Guntur districts. The Kamma-Nayaks(Naidus) merged with the Mulatnis (let us call Multani-Kammas) via marriage.

There is no firm historical basis to suggest that Kammas are decended even partially from the Multanis of western Punjab.This is just a hearsay quoted in some questionable blogs. I have not met a single kamma till now who has made this ridiculous assertion.This myth is similar to the myth propogated by the pakis that they are (partially or fully) decended from the tfta central asian turks , persians, etc. Just because some kammas have very tfta features and looks does not mean that they have some connection to the multanis.They could be many reasons for that.People should be cautious before pedalling unverifiable claims as historical facts and then use those myths in their analysis as if they are facts.

[Muppalla]

Per some unwritten good old days history when the Nayakas (the warrior class of Telugus) divided into Kammas, kapus, Velemas etc., there was a nomadic group that decended from Multan, Punjab into the coastal areas of Krishna, Godavari and Guntur districts. The Kamma-Nayaks(Naidus) merged with the Mulatnis (let us call Multani-Kammas) via marriage.

There is no firm historical basis to suggest that Kammas are decended even partially from the Multanis of western Punjab.This is just a hearsay quoted in some questionable blogs. I have not met a single kamma till now who has made this ridiculous assertion.This myth is similar to the myth propogated by the pakis that they are (partially or fully) decended from the tfta central asian turks , persians, etc. Just because some kammas have very tfta features and looks does not mean that they have some connection to the multanis.They could be many reasons for that.People should be cautious before pedalling unverifiable claims as historical facts and then use those myths in their analysis as if they are facts.

Agreed and I guess this historical (fake-history?) fact is not that important for this thread. Hence I wrote the un-written history in my comment just to bring to the point why there is opposition to CBN inside the community and their quest for alternatives. However, they consider themselves as something different from the southerners and in fact when you ask caste a lot of them say "we are choudaries" and also add Choudary to their names.

[Muppalla]

While trying to speculate the reasons for Sonia's actions against Jagan, let us not forget his political experience was less than 6 months at the time he claimed the reins of the state. They might have genuinely thought that he had to wait for his turn. (Of course, Gandhi's are above the law, and they may give all kind of reasons why the rule didn't apply to Rajiv Gandhi). However they underestimated the YSR's hold on AP and Jagan's willingness to capitalize it.

Having burnt all the bridges, the only escape route for Jagan is the formation of Telangana state. Should a split occur, he will take the sentiment of samaikyandhra in Seemandhra and hammer INC out of Andhra Pradesh. When Anakapalle MP Sabbam Hari, a very conservative guy when it comes to showing his cards, comes out openly supporting Jagan, attacks Puandareswari and risks his future in INC, it is clear to me they are sensing that T will be formed and their escape path made easier.

I expect that in next few weeks some of the Jagan's team to up the ante on samaikyaandhra or the injustice to be done for seemandhra with the creation of T state.

These days for entertainment search for "Jagan Mohan Reddy" in google news.The graphic details of who is abusing whom and who is flying with whom is all we get. All the folks obviously belong to INC anyway. Good fun.

Regarding Jagan taking Seemandhra platform, INC central command would have taken that into their gameplan. They are not going to lose AP on a platter. The one and only state (other than some tiny NE states) where they are ruling without coalition or independents help.

[Bharath.Subramanyam]

Got some news . INC is confused. It is weighing two options. One option is very relevant for this forum.

Three seperate states (Telengana, Andhra & Rayalseema). TRS Chandrasekhar Rao is ready to merge his party with INC if he is made the CM of Telengana and the party is under his control. Chiranjeevi will be made CM of Andhra and Jagan will be made CM of Rayalseema. So everyone is cut to his "size". The reason why Jagan is not belived for entire Andhra is that he is not a family sympathiser. Even during 2009 general elections, YSR & Co said they don't need any campaigning of the prince (Photo Baba). They said they can campaign themselves and win.

This Mughal concept of having mansabdars for each state who has to send particular number of MPs during Lok Sabha election and in return they can practically loot anything they want is going to affect economic growth of many states. Delhi, Rajasthan, AP, Maharashtra are all paying a heavy price in terms of corruption, poor economic growth, agriculture production being affected etc.

[Yagnasri]

true. Rule of congress now looking like Moguls. Imposing all currupt local leaders on the state and play one leader against other to keep every one on tender hooks, asking of levies in the terms of money, MP's etc.

[ShyamSP]

Central Home minister Chidambaram wants to drop all cases on violence T students engaged with instigation from Congress and TRS over last many months.

Now soon after he announced intent to drop, T students are doing violence again. They attacked Lecturers in OU and in Some University in Nalgonda. They are also burning books written by others in bookstores.

In response to that non-T students are doing bundh and we're back to square one.

Useless Center and state governments are screwing AP completely. Their endgame is screw AP to the extent so AP people agree to division.

They are no better than British that preceded them. Leave Congress. BJP says they respect Gurus, what the heck they are doing now.

[Yagnasri]

In respect of the the attack carried out on the invigilators at Osmania University two days back :
• Today morning the anchored on TV5 specifically said that he is not ready to say it as a “dadi” (attack) and will call it only as incident. On TV9 the on the evening of the attack open warning is given daring invigilators from non telangana areas to come for invigilation and face the consequences. Once again the TV presenter has not questioned them on their conduct or prevented them from making such treats openly on TV. In fact all the people on the TV was allowed to deny the attack and even given justification for beating teachers with chappls.
• Governor is said to be very angry on this attack and sought details. TRS and other people are questioning why Governor is not angry when there were attacks on the Telangana people in other areas. Now suddenly we are being told that there were attacks on Telangana people in other places. Surprisingly the pro Telangana media as above never reported these incidences till date.
• No one from Telangana is ready to condemn the attack. Those who are condemning are all talking about the back ground etc. Chokka Ramayya (of Ramayya coaching institute) flatly refused to comment on this attack. Even CM Rosayya after a long silence made a half haerted attemt to condemn it. Home Minister as usual said nothing. KCR openly supporting the attack. Even on the evening of the attack some one with a pink cloth (TRS party flag color) aroung his neck opening staning with the student leaders and supporting the attack.
• Now it is alleged by Telangana vadis that in Intermediate paper invigilation there was serious injustice was done to Telangana students. But all the answer sheets are given a code and no one can know the particulars of any student. There is no explanation how this code is broken. Some case is with B Ed students also. No one knows how is coding systerm will be broken or by passed.
• Now there is a bandh of eductional institutions in Non Telangana areas of AP.
A concerted effort is on to create tension in the state and governament is doing nothing to keep the things under control. We are told that PM has conducted meeting to face the fall out of the judgement on Ayodhya. But does the Center has any plan to meet the situation after SKC report ?

[ramana]

Is the old man Ramayya still there at Ramayya Institute?

[Muppalla]

Central Home minister Chidambaram wants to drop all cases on violence T students engaged with instigation from Congress and TRS over last many months.

Now soon after he announced intent to drop, T students are doing violence again. They attacked Lecturers in OU and in Some University in Nalgonda. They are also burning books written by others in bookstores.

In response to that non-T students are doing bundh and we're back to square one.

Useless Center and state governments are screwing AP completely. Their endgame is screw AP to the extent so AP people agree to division.

They are no better than British that preceded them. Leave Congress. BJP says they respect Gurus, what the heck they are doing now.

AP is marked for collateral damage due to the internecine war between various competing INC central heads. Unfortunately we have the most useless ones in AP-INC and the TDP is struggling to revive the fortunes of Telugus so far. Unless the people on the ground see the big picture (which is difficult) and take some planned action as opposed to knee-jerk reactions, the chips will down for a while.

[Yagnasri]

Is the old man Ramayya still there at Ramayya Institute?

Yes Guruji. you have to see his talk to believe how for he supports Telangana agitation. It is ok for him to have his own ideas in the matter. What is sad is he was not even ready to condemn the open attack on fellow teachers. Quite sad.

As for as Hyderabad being UT, it is not going to be accepted by T Vadis. Do you expect them to stuggle to make a new capital and all that now ? Entire political class in AP is interested in the loot avaliable in the real estate of Hyderabad. No one in Telangana is going to allow making it a UT which again may be dominated by non Telangana people.

[ramana]

He used to support the 1969 one too. He was teacher at All Saints and somehow decided to start the coaching institute.His methods helped many folks get into IITs.

Making Hyd UT the loot gets transferred to Center. Like Panchatantra story of the cat and two monkeys. The cat gets to eat the roti.

[suryag]

^^^
With due respect Ramana Garu, he only made horses win the race(with a little bit of hardwork each of the horses could have won it on their own) never made donkeys win the race hope this is not OT

[Yagnasri]

All the entrance exams are more about learning the method than anything and in IIT entrance coaching Ramayya earned and have very good name. We need to pass some test before joining his institute or something like that. So he can pick and chose his students also. Obviously he picks good people only. Since he is running his own private shop we can not comply.

I don’t think supporting or opposing Telangana agitation per se is wrong or right. But the conduct of people in this agitation is also important. We don’t expect political people like KCR to have any reasonable behavior. But people like Ramayya or Prof Kodandaam said to be Medhavis and Intellectuals of Telangana should behave in a reasonable way. Yet we don’t see reasonableness even from them then there is problem. With lack of reasonableness even at that level, agitations will not have any moderating influence.

I do not know if any one observed this is the first agitation (not taking our red jholawalas into consideration) wherein there is a forum called “Intellectual” forum. I do not know what makes a person an intellectual and all intellectuals can form a union or forum which is open to only intellectuals. Further in the agitation there are many “caste organizations” Peoples organizations ( front organizations of naxals of course) ” which are not known to even to regular news paper readers also have suddenly popped up. The new phenomena of Joint action committees formed by all these people are also interesting. Once JAC is formed then it is said they represent all the people of Telangana and people want this and people want that is the regular word. It reminds me another very old slogan from Europe “god wills it”


Now Telangana vadis from TRS want to stop the Group 1 AP Public Service examinations to be held shortly. Otherwise they want 42% of the posts reserved for the people from their area. Such reservation is against the provisions of the law as it stands today and can not be accepted now. So basically they want no exams to be conducted. Basically T vadis don’t want the AP state government or any part of it to function till the division takes place

Police are running behind people who attacked the invigilators in OU recently. Some 4 are arrested so for and 8 are to be arrested. One can be certain the political leaders behind this attack will never be arrested and even be accused. It is only the stupid students (if they are students in the first place) who are going to be arrested and facing music for some time and they will get their records spoiled. But I guess none of these people are really interested in education etc. Those who are really interested in education will rarely involved themselves with any agitation. Across India the era of student activism is over. No serious student has any time to “save society “and such ideas which we when we were students used to have. If we really see the people who are appearing on TV as the leaders of the students we can easily make out they are in their late 30’s or even early 40’s. No press person dare to ask them how they can be called as a student and what they are studding? In any even with this attack OU radicals once again came into lime light. Last time when they were active it is said that some two and half crores are paid to them by naxals and there was lot of in fighting among so called JAC members on the sharing of that amount. I don’t know what the rumors will say this time.

[vera_k]

Andhra miracle strategy

[ramana]

Vera_K, The Politics party guy is no longer credible on AP. He is raving mad while indulging in extreme sychophnacy!

[Yagnasri]

Today all the political leaders in Telangana area are demanding postponement of the Group 1 exams. Other wise they want to have 42% reservation in the same. The pretext is that justice will not be done to their area candidates. Once again we all know that the answer sheets will be codified and no one will know the identity of the candidates. For a change TV channels probed the politicos and it was found that the present chairman of the APPSC chairman is corrupt etc and they are seriously concerned about the same. Once again the issue of one person’s corrupt conduct is made an issue of a region. Interestingly no serious movement or demand is there for his removal.

Any staged drama with few people is being shown as big agitation and any big agitation which is not liked by TV people is not even covered. Now some candidates were shown as burning their hall tickets by TV channels and the same is being shown as the agitation. No one is sure if these people are real candidates or fake people. No one knows if what they have burned are hall tickets or not.

Naturally no interview of any one who want to write the exam is shown by any TV. It is as if no one is out there to write the exam and all the candidates are going to boycott the exam. Telangana vadis now called for a bandh on 5th September 2010 when the exam is to be held. But what about the candidates in Telangana who want to write the exam. Will they not face problems due to Bandh? No one want to think about that.

In larger ontext, none of our activists (partlicular leftist jholawalas) want to think about any student who wants to get on with their education, any business man or industrialist who want to do his business, any worker who want to do work and earn his livleyhood, any common man who want to get on with their daily life. These people are all living in their own world where they only knows

No one from our political class is ready to admit that it is these people who create wealth for the nation and by harming their activity we are basically killing the entire wealth creation activity.

All the entrance exams are more about learning the method than anything and in IIT entrance coaching Ramayya earned and have very good name. We need to pass some test before joining his institute or something like that. So he can pick and chose his students also. Obviously he picks good people only. Since he is running his own private shop we can not comply.

I don’t think supporting or opposing Telangana agitation per se is wrong or right. But the conduct of people in this agitation is also important. We don’t expect political people like KCR to have any reasonable behavior. But people like Ramayya or Prof Kodandaam said to be Medhavis and Intellectuals of Telangana should behave in a reasonable way. Yet we don’t see reasonableness even from them then there is problem. With lack of reasonableness even at that level, agitations will not have any moderating influence.

I do not know if any one observed this is the first agitation (not taking our red jholawalas into consideration) wherein there is a forum called “Intellectual” forum. I do not know what makes a person an intellectual and all intellectuals can form a union or forum which is open to only intellectuals. Further in the agitation there are many “caste organizations” Peoples organizations ( front organizations of naxals of course) ” which are not known to even to regular news paper readers also have suddenly popped up. The new phenomena of Joint action committees formed by all these people are also interesting. Once JAC is formed then it is said they represent all the people of Telangana and people want this and people want that is the regular word. It reminds me another very old slogan from Europe “god wills it”


Now Telangana vadis from TRS want to stop the Group 1 AP Public Service examinations to be held shortly. Otherwise they want 42% of the posts reserved for the people from their area. Such reservation is against the provisions of the law as it stands today and can not be accepted now. So basically they want no exams to be conducted. Basically T vadis don’t want the AP state government or any part of it to function till the division takes place

Police are running behind people who attacked the invigilators in OU recently. Some 4 are arrested so for and 8 are to be arrested. One can be certain the political leaders behind this attack will never be arrested and even be accused. It is only the stupid students (if they are students in the first place) who are going to be arrested and facing music for some time and they will get their records spoiled. But I guess none of these people are really interested in education etc. Those who are really interested in education will rarely involved themselves with any agitation. Across India the era of student activism is over. No serious student has any time to “save society “and such ideas which we when we were students used to have. If we really see the people who are appearing on TV as the leaders of the students we can easily make out they are in their late 30’s or even early 40’s. No press person dare to ask them how they can be called as a student and what they are studding? In any even with this attack OU radicals once again came into lime light. Last time when they were active it is said that some two and half crores are paid to them by naxals and there was lot of in fighting among so called JAC members on the sharing of that amount. I don’t know what the rumors will say this time.

[Muppalla]

There are YSR statues everywhere in AP now. It has crossed all the records and every street has one as looks like. We at BRF are so dumb and could not anticipate such a business opportunity. We would have made a tonne of money.

[Yagnasri]

APPSC is going ahead with the group one exams today. I hope all will end up well. But some how I am getting a felling hoping of peaceful day will be too much in AP now a days

[Muppalla]

Telangana or Andhra: Congress caught in a cleft

HYDERABAD: Protagonists of united Andhra Pradesh now have a new weapon in their bid to stave off separation: Y S Jagan Mohan Reddy. Congress leaders from coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema are pushing a debate within party circles in the state and Delhi that splitting the state will do no good to it in both Telangana and Seemandhra.

The premise for this theory is that opinion in coastal Andhra in favour of a unified state is as fervent as the clamour for bifurcation in Telangana. So if the state is bifurcated in the face of such strong public opinion, the Congress will reap the wrath of the people and drive them into the arms of Jagan.

The scenario painted by Congress leaders from Seemandhra is this: The party cannot hope to reap the benefits of bifurcation in Telangana, for the credit will go to the TRS. Further, they argue, people in a good number of constituencies in Hyderabad, Ranga Reddy and Khammam and city-contiguous parts of Nalgonda are not for division at all, thereby implying that the T factor is not prevalent all across the 119 constituencies in the region.

They surmise that the Congress will be mauled -- in the event of state division -- in the 175 constituencies that fall in Seemandhra. The choice before the high command, therefore, is to earn the gratitude of voters in 60-70 sentiment-dominated constituencies in Telangana or try to return to power by retaining its support in the rest of the 220-230 seats.

These calculations are not new, but the game changer could be Yuvaraj{Rahul Gandhi must be hating this as he thought he is a solo for this }, as Jagan is referred to. Citing reports from the ground level, Seemandhra Congress leaders reason that the late YSR’s son might emerge as a strong alternative in coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema region in the event of separation. In fact, in such a scenario, the fight could essentially be between him and the TDP with the Congress relegated to third place by embittered voters.

While Jagan’s influence in Telangana is negligible, he joined TDP men by holding up a placard for Samaikyandhra in the Lok Sabha late last year. Therefore, he can claim to be one of the first to fight against the Congress’ move to divide the state and, thereby, reap the benefit in the coast.

If the state’s unity is preserved, according to these Congress leaders, Jagan will not become a big force in coastal Andhra and may at best take away a small percentage of the vote. It is against this background that reports have been emanating of late that the J camp is more than comfortable with division of the state.

[Muppalla]

Is YSR's son safe bet for Congress?

The Congress needs to win Andhra (including Telangana) decisively, if it has to look towards the future where Rahul Gandhi may get projected as the new leader. There is no alternative but to make peace with Jagan if that objective has to be achieved. Even if YSR's son does not get elected as the state leader himself, he can always spoil the Congress's chances. Jagan also has the support of some MPs who could also rock the boat during a crucial trust vote in Parliament. The Congress leadership must realise that there is no need to pick a quarrel with Jagan when it can easily have him by its side. That is the best solution. Between us.

Bingo. So the news are all coming in favor of Jagan as soon as he resumed his yatra. BTW he is drawing some zillions everywhere he travels. INC may just become third or fourth in half of AP constituencies.

[Dasari]

APPSC is going ahead with the group one exams today. I hope all will end up well. But some how I am getting a felling hoping of peaceful day will be too much in AP now a days

Now Telangana wants 42% of APPSC seats allocated to them because they don't trust andhrites. When you think these separatists cannot stoop to any level lower, here comes the demand for 42% of allocation of APPSC seats. They already secure 38%-45% seats. So what is this nonsense? Why to stop there? Can we give allocations for every district and street ? I'm sure that I don't trust my neighboring street. Why can't national media expose this manufactured Xenophobia instead of being entertained by the self destruction that Telugu people are creating against each other?

Also simple question. Can T vadis demand Indian govt to allocate 4% of IAS, IPS. IIM, IIT seats to them?.

[ShyamSP]

Is YSR's son safe bet for Congress?

The Congress needs to win Andhra (including Telangana) decisively, if it has to look towards the future where Rahul Gandhi may get projected as the new leader. There is no alternative but to make peace with Jagan if that objective has to be achieved. Even if YSR's son does not get elected as the state leader himself, he can always spoil the Congress's chances. Jagan also has the support of some MPs who could also rock the boat during a crucial trust vote in Parliament. The Congress leadership must realise that there is no need to pick a quarrel with Jagan when it can easily have him by its side. That is the best solution. Between us.

Bingo. So the news are all coming in favor of Jagan as soon as he resumed his yatra. BTW he is drawing some zillions everywhere he travels. INC may just become third or fourth in half of AP constituencies.

In other words, Central criminal dynasty needs local criminal dynasty support to continue the rule. Their alternative attempts of creating caste divisions (with players like DS/Chiru/KCR) and regional divisions (with players like TRS) to relegate local criminal dynasty to subregional level is not working as planned, if that is the plan *

* Things are happening in different planes and one theory is not enough to understand issues.

[ShyamSP]

APPSC is going ahead with the group one exams today. I hope all will end up well. But some how I am getting a felling hoping of peaceful day will be too much in AP now a days

Now Telangana wants 42% of APPSC seats allocated to them because they don't trust andhrites. When you think these separatists cannot stoop to any level lower, here comes the demand for 42% of allocation of APPSC seats. They already secure 38%-45% seats. So what is this nonsense? Why to stop there? Can we give allocations for every district and street ? I'm sure that I don't trust my neighboring street. Why can't national media expose this manufactured Xenophobia instead of being entertained by the self destruction that Telugu people are creating against each other?

Also simple question. Can T vadis demand Indian govt to allocate 4% of IAS, IPS. IIM, IIT seats to them?.

Violent/bad acts (like chasing Andhra lecturers) are credited to TRS. Sacrificing/good acts are credited to T-Congress.
Notice T-Congress MPs and Ministers were going gungho on this group-1 exam issue.

Madhu Yashi replaces Harish Rao!
http://newsofap.com/newsofap-24325-21-m ... sofap.html


As for 42%, they know government can't implement as there is no such provision and needs new law. Yet, they are fighting non-implementable issue and making huge fuss. Idiocy has taken over at both political level and intellectual level among T-vadis.

[vijayk]

Is YSR's son safe bet for Congress?

The Congress needs to win Andhra (including Telangana) decisively, if it has to look towards the future where Rahul Gandhi may get projected as the new leader. There is no alternative but to make peace with Jagan if that objective has to be achieved. Even if YSR's son does not get elected as the state leader himself, he can always spoil the Congress's chances. Jagan also has the support of some MPs who could also rock the boat during a crucial trust vote in Parliament. The Congress leadership must realise that there is no need to pick a quarrel with Jagan when it can easily have him by its side. That is the best solution. Between us.

Bingo. So the news are all coming in favor of Jagan as soon as he resumed his yatra. BTW he is drawing some zillions everywhere he travels. INC may just become third or fourth in half of AP constituencies.

This crook, dynasty worshipper wants Rahul to become PM in 2014 so that the clown can screw up what MMS left. Will BJP ever get their house in order to expose CON mafia ? So he wants one corrupt mafia to patch up with another corrupt mafia. Way to go fourth establishment... way to go...

[ShyamSP]

Author gives caste color as reason for T-movement led by KCR. As a side note it is interesting to observe that the areas where Velamas are in numbers, there is also intensity of movement. TRS is mostly dominated by the Velamas

Group-1 exams & Reddy, Kamma, Velama & Kapu castes
http://newsofap.com/newsofap-24393-21-g ... sofap.html
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This is the main reason which led KCR into an agitation, and gave it a Telangana colour. Basically to achieve 2 purposes. To serve his Padmanayaka Velama caste, which will automatically become the main Forward Caste in Telangana and would have to compete only with the Reddys of Telanaga. And the second reason being to increase his chances of ruling a state. Which would be next to impossible in a United Andhra.
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[ramana]

ShyamSP garu, kudos for predicting the news before it happens. Good analysis.

[Muppalla]

vijayk,

Look at the message and not the messenger. That news may be directly from the INC. What it could mean is that INC may have conceded that Jagan could destroy it completely and wash them away. So the cartel at center needs the AP cartel runner (read ShyamSP's post) and hence they may afterall accomadate Jagan. Even Moily made a blunt statement that Jagan will not be dismissed from INC. So AP may afterall be heading for a Jai Ho Jagan. Time will tell.

Now there is lot more to go. T is encouraged to kill the influnce of AP in central politics as in coalition era everything is surrounding it. By giving T, someone in INC had sold a lemon to central-yuvaraj that they can kill both AP-Yuvaraj and also TDP. Now if they make Jai-Ho Jagan then the rollback has to be complete in all respect too.

The news is not really good for all those who made bravado statements that they will take action etc. Jagan is actually having a lot of INC cadre with him. They have to make decisions based on that and it will be suicidal for them as they did not recover in crucial Northern states to giveup AP.

[Yagnasri]

some news items


http://www.fullhyderabad.com/hyderabad- ... agues-1529


http://business.rediff.com/report/2010/ ... onment.htm





http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Stude ... ort/674652


Group one exams are now conducted with lot of police force and among agitation by TRS, BJP and naxal front organizations. Congress MP’s Ministers from Telangana acted like jokers in the pack who wanted to have best of all the worlds. Ministers who approached CM seem to have received no positive response and were reduced to request the state cabinet secretary instead. Had they shown some respect to Rosayya (who enjoyed lot of Central support at that time and may be even now) from the start they would have had some strength now. But people like Komati Reddy Venkata Reddy openly insulted CM and no leader from Telangana shown any regard for the CM for a long period. This trend was reversed once the Sonia gang wanted take on Jagan gang. All the Telangana politicos started lining behind Rosayya and in the resent past even Madhu Yashki is praising CM with heavy words. All these people now left with read face when their demands on the Group 1 exams were not entertained by the CM. Yashiki was saying that CM was hearing officials and not elected representatives.

It appears that the Governor was actively involved in the security related affairs of the state now. Government has correctly judged that the demand for the postponement of the group 1 exams do not have wide ranging support from public and went ahead with them. As a result bandh called by TRS and supported gangs had no major impact and people could write the exams. But in the middle I am sure many serious candidates failed to go the exams hall because of the fear and so on. The image on TV of people barging into the exam hall in Osmania B Ed College and beating the people writing exams running out with the question papers created quite a bad impression in the rest of state. This comes in the back stage of people seeing lecturers being beaten with chappals before the invigilation hall about week back.

I do not know why the Telangana agitation leadership is not prepared to understand that it need to create a good image to their agitation in the entire state and this kind of activities are not going to be supported by any one outside hard core T Vadi gangs.

Interestingly both BJP and naxals support creation of Telangana which they think will benefit them. It only suggest how for our politicos from BJP degraded now. They totally lack long term vision and has no appriciation for the security chanllenges the creation of new state will pose. We hardly hear any security related assurence from them or hear any assurence to non telangana people that their interests will be protected.

BY THE WAY WHERE ARE ALL THE SERIOUS TELANGANA VADIS IN BR. THERE USED TO BE SOME PEOPLE AROUND FOR A LONG TIME BUT NOW IT IS GETTING ONE SIDED HERE

[ShyamSP]

If you combine Telangana zones, they are getting ~48% of total posts. By asking 42% reservations, they're actually helping their "enemies" to get back that 6% extra posts that Telangana job aspirants are "stealing"

Quiz is why do they want to get only 42% when they can get 48% (assuming trend continues).

[Muppalla]

http://www.eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qry ... panel5.htm

I am lazy to translate line by line but this is the first indication of what is coming out of Sri Krishna commission. Per Duggal ( member of the committe), they are giving a report that will be acceptable to everyone.

Let us see.

[Yagnasri]

The cult of suicides is in ascendance in A.P. state. The people allegedly committed suicides are now seen not as people who were sick in the head but as martyrs. In future if there are no suicides in relation to any issue they media will say that there is no support to that issue. No one is ready to ask if there are really suicides when YSR died or in Telangana agitation.

Media never investigates these claims and counter claims. Earlier it used to do a reasonable job in AP but that was past. Now to quote N D Tiwari “we will not understand anything in AP news papers unless we read at least 4 news papers on the same topic”.

At least one case of MCA student who died in Osmania University in last Jan 2010 seems to be quite suspicious. There was a talk earlier that the same was under investigation and nothing was heard since then. Now Sabbam Hari MP from Vizag says there are two murder reports which were submitted during T agitation which should be investigated. At every stage drama people who are threatening to kill themselves are being brought forward by the leaders. Latest being in the group 1 examinations. No one committed suicide when the exams were conducted. Government which called their bluff has won the war of nerves. Much we as a nation admire Sathyagraham, faced with determined State it always failed to get any result. Further, people who are paid to enact dramas will not be ready to die for any cause.

There were reports that, two and half crore rupees being paid to so called student leaders of Osmania University as consideration for doing all these agitations. Reports suggested quarrels in the groups (said to be divisions on caste basis) for sharing the said amount. On Sunday only the OU premises B Ed College was raided by these people and nothing happened in any other exams center. One of the demands raised by the T Vadis is that all the criminal cases


In the meanwhile YSR criminal gang is wasting the time of the public with useless yathras.They are busy building an image that YSR is some sort of God. Every one who knows how to read and write knows what kind of criminal back ground his gang had (has) and how many crores his family looted from the state and in the mining activities. Just like INC created gods like Gandhi, Nehru, Indira, Rajiv (all these gods are forgotten now) and Sonia and Rahul, YSR gang wants to create a god in YSR and future god in Jagan. With all the kind of useless media and useless leadership they seem to be succeeding. I do not know it this is a passing phenomenon (I hope it is) or something which has a loner life.

[kmkraoind]

http://www.eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qry ... panel5.htm

I am lazy to translate line by line but this is the first indication of what is coming out of Sri Krishna commission. Per Duggal ( member of the committe), they are giving a report that will be acceptable to everyone.

Let us see.

Small request to Mupalla garu, when you post eenadu links, post links from Archive link so that they cannot change the content when the date changes, TIA.

[RamaY]

grape wine from my pilgrimage.

YSJ is replaying the movie "LEADER" (only one part). It seems he offered each MLA Rs. 5Cr, all the proceedings from their constitution, and complete election spending in next elections. In return they must stand by him to become CM. We are looking at Rs 1500-2000 crore investment to get 150 MLAs on his side. Not a bad strategy after all given his 10s of thousands of crores financial sources (check his stock, RE and mining holdings to get an assessment of his wealth). I estimate them to be >50,000Cr.

I also feel that this whole YSJ issue is scripted. Perhaps the strategy is to put K.Rosaiah as the fall guy for the T-failure after December and bring YSJ on stage as fresh-blood. A replay of 2009 election strategy can bring a respectful win to INC