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Chidu has used up his nine lives: It’s time for him to go - Firstpost
Political tempests may rage; his own election may be mired in controversy; scandals may erupt over his unusual interest in the 2G case; Chidambaram may even be (inferentially) accused of bugging the office of his own Cabinet colleague and senior minister; the dossier of Pakistan-based ‘terrrorists’ prepared by his ministry may contain a few names of those who are holed up in Hyderabad or Mumbai (thereby profoundly embarrassing the Indian government and weakening its case against Pakistan)….

Of course, after the issue became public, Chidambaram and his ministry officials are desperate to cover their tracks. The home ministry letter invoking Chidambaram’s approval “had a drafting error” they say.

Chidambaram himself pleads loss of memory about whether Gupta was his client in the 1990s. In response to questions from CNN-IBN to Chidambaram, the ministry wrote back to say:
What happened to Rajdeep Sardesai, is he getting enlightenment (and/or) foreseeing the future of post-Lokpal scenario and filling the vacuum. Whatever the reason, these days Firstpost.com is going after establishment in unearthing its misbehavior, and I'm loving it.
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No they feel they need to sacrifice a goat to keep the hounds at bay. Or else it will be one of the riders.
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^ Rji

May be this is a necessary thing from the other side (the hounds). We need to take every sacrifice made by 2G as a stepping stone as soon they will be left with no goats to rear.
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Well if the hounds taste the goat they may get feral and go for the riders.
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Star news-Nielsen opinion poll for 2012 UP assembly elections are out.
SP 135
BSP 120
Congress 68
BJP 65
RLD 10

Predicting a SP-Congress-RLD alliance Govt. and a big boost for RG.

Maharashtra civic elections - clean sweep for Congress-NCP.
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Maharashtra is really surprising. why are INC and NCP so favorite for Maharashtrians. this is the one state which I thought would have started a clear resistance against INC by now. the Jihadi and EJ mafia together have been supported by INC. based on past history and the Maratha experience, Maharashtra should be a lightning rod against INC ever since Sonia took charge. how come the historical memory doesn't influence the present actions?
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Its a mirror of Andhra Pradesh. Its based on social networks.
Loss of Maratha power in early 19th century has led to social engineerning by the Brits.

Recall its Bombay Presidency.
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so the memory of defeat has become more prominent than the vast struggle before that? 1818 was a military defeat. in no way was it a crushing collapse which would have ensured a psychological erasure of past attitudes, "glory", and will to fight. the Brit social engineering at best can only be a sheen on the surface when the opposing force to that "sheen" is a huge 2-century long struggle which transformed India. IMHO, the Brit social engineering and humiliation of 1818 can be removed from the psyche with our own social engineering. specifically, it must be shown that the downfall happened not b/c of lack of ability to fight or sustain damages, but because of infighting and some factions selling out to the foreigners.

more importantly, the enormous amount of contribution of the Maratha struggle to Bharat needs to be highlighted...BT would have been extremely useful had he picked that route instead of a narrow Marathi chauvinism. he should have formed a grassroots movement which once again brought out the Maratha expansionist consciousness by presenting the pan-India challenge of assertive Bharatiya nationalism against vested interests and their backing religious/pan-global mercantile interests.

Maharashtra is kept in suspended confusion by propping up idiots like Raj Thackeray. they drain the societal energy of "Hindus" by channeling it in ultimately useless directions.
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^^ Credibility of the so called nationalist option could be the reason as well. Think what will happen in Gujarat if just Modi is taken out of equation.
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Supratik wrote:Star news-Nielsen opinion poll for 2012 UP assembly elections are out.
SP 135
BSP 120
Congress 68
BJP 65
RLD 10

Predicting a SP-Congress-RLD alliance Govt. and a big boost for RG.

Maharashtra civic elections - clean sweep for Congress-NCP.
Looking at the idiot box one would get the impression that it is a direct contest between panja and hanthi, with cycle and kamal as onlookers.
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devesh wrote:Maharashtra is really surprising. why are INC and NCP so favorite for Maharashtrians. this is the one state which I thought would have started a clear resistance against INC by now. the Jihadi and EJ mafia together have been supported by INC. based on past history and the Maratha experience, Maharashtra should be a lightning rod against INC ever since Sonia took charge. how come the historical memory doesn't influence the present actions?
Why do you think EVM results have any correlation with actual public opinion.
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kumarn wrote: Looking at the idiot box one would get the impression that it is a direct contest between panja and hanthi, with cycle and kamal as onlookers.
It is. Cycle is proxy. Big time.

However the proxy getting 130? Hmm. Without Amar Singh and Thakur votes? I dont think the demographics have shifted so much in 5 years.
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Surveys like this will ensure that Mayawati wins again. Once this perception builds that BSP is losing, they will come out in droves to vote.
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MH has to do with demographics partly. According to the 2001 census only 65-70% of the population in MH is Maharashtrian.
There are about 25 million + non-Maharashtrian in MH. Plus 10% Muslim and 6% Buddhist. Don't know what the situation is in 2011.
So the parochial politics of SS is doomed to fail.
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Atri wrote:
Sanku wrote:
Telehaka giving space to Prem Shankar Jha? Telehaka going against a key cog in the Dynasty wheel as of now? Is there a Delhi Sultanate -- Adil Shahi war in pipeline?

Prem Shankar Jha suddenly feeling suicidal? Or is the UPA power crumbling so fast that the whispers are growing louder now?
:rotfl:

my feelings exactly.. people have been speaking of this in hushed tones since 1990.

delhi has no power to attack adil shah now.. the only sad part is this is adil shah and not shivaji.. there were two invasions (and rebellions) by adil shah against delhi one before shivaji's rise and one after his death.. this mughal-adil fight made environment conducive for rise of shivaji. will mahadev agree this time again? the civil polls of MH has given massive public mandate in favor of NCP.. in case of mid term polls, MH (and ap too) is firmly in hands of UPA. is adil shah jumping out of bandwagon?

BTW, the bold emphasis was mine in previous post...
Why worry? Adil's dynasty will not last. No capable descendant. Any damages he manages is good in the long run. But the fact is that the "city" has become the gateway for the transnational NW IOR Islamist/criminal flow running through to Somalia and hence to sub-Sahara. Adil has helped this flow. For this he has to pay. In the end Delhi darbar will win this round. But the more Delhi has to take down its own previous regional agents the more bad-blood it creates, and more internal opposition. That should facilitate Shivaji.
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From Mani Shankar Aiyar
At a time when GDP is slipping back from the Sikh to the Hindu rate of growth, and inflation is “perilously close to double digits” as the finance minister confessed the other day in the Rajya Sabha; and industrial growth is down more than 5 per cent and agriculture continues to virtually stagnate; and unemployment remains un-dented even as the labour-intensive MSME sector shrinks while jobless IT and IT-enabled investment swallow an ever larger share of the GDP pie, it is comforting to learn from so close an observer of the Indian scene as Sir Mark Tully that India is like the Rajdhani racing non-stop to its tryst with destiny, even as with the Rajdhani, additional stops are introduced before the Rajdhani quite comes to a halt.
There was some discussion on the semantics of Hindu rate of growth a few months ago ...
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That guy needs a slap.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:From Mani Shankar Aiyar
At a time when GDP is slipping back from the Sikh to the Hindu rate of growth, and inflation is “perilously close to double digits” as the finance minister confessed the other day in the Rajya Sabha;
So this terminology has made the leap from the domain of quack economists to, for the first time, being used by a prominent member of the government & ruling party.

At a time when the government is supposedly concerned about 'communally sensitive' material on social media - here we have a prominent member of the ruling party make a remark that clearly amounts to negative communal stereotyping, besides providing legitimacy to a nonsensical association of terms.

He'll probably defend the remark as one made 'in jest' - but wouldn't be difficult for others to play the same game.
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Arjun wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:From Mani Shankar Aiyar

At a time when the government is supposedly concerned about 'communally sensitive' material on social media - here we have a prominent member of the ruling party make a remark that clearly amounts to negative communal stereotyping, besides providing legitimacy to a nonsensical association of terms.

He'll probably defend the remark as one made 'in jest' - but wouldn't be difficult for others to play the same game.


The terminology has been around for a few decades used primarily by Nehruvian Marxists but also picked up by others. The purpose was to say "we did no wrong" or "our policies were excellant" it is the "Hindus onlee" as if there is something inherently wrong with Hindus that they are unable to develop. The last 20 yrs and success of NRIs have proved them wrong. However, as long as this variety of snake aka Nehruvian Marxist exists the terminology will continue to be used. Maybe when this generation dies the terminology will die a natural death.
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ramana wrote:That guy needs a slap.
Absolutely that is what he needs to given.

However, what he himself wants is just a pat on the back from "Sir" Mark telling him he's been a good boy and his English is, actually, quite up to the mark. This greasy eel will do or say anything if it appears to him that someone, somewhere - preferably non-Indian white no doubt - will consider his rhetoric to be of high calibre; maybe even make a statement in passing to that effect. But he knows that too. So when he is in direct engagement with the species that he looks up to, he comes out with combative rhetoric or tough statements to prove, probably to himself, that there's still some spine left in him. A shameful, pointless, shallow and vain man.
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harbans wrote:
India has achieved a dynamic not seen prior 50 years and come out (of) the so called 'Hindu rate of growth'.
BRfite Upendra wrote:
Another catch word to initiate the guilt trip and get people opposing FDI to go on the defensive. listen you brainwashed moron, the term "Hindu rate of growth" was invented by a communist economist. Commies ran indian economic policies for the last 50 years and still run it, check the moronic schemes they have concoted, NREGA and like. If anyone is singly responsible for the sad state of economic affairs its the commies, so better start saying Commie rate of growth, or if that's not suitable for you how about sikh rate of growth, since sikh manmohan is running indian economy. Now how does that feels? Hurts isn't it? to be accused for no fault of yours. If you throw that catchword of yours again, i will throw mine, so be careful next time.
Why bother about slapping Aiyer, we have people mainstreaming this stuff right here on BRF..
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The seeds are sown.

Bhagavad Gita faces ban in Russia
Bhagavad Gita, one of the holiest Hindu scriptures, is facing a legal ban and the prospect of being branded as “an extremist” literature across Russia. A court in Siberia’s Tomsk city is set to deliver its final verdict on Monday in a case filed by state prosecutors.

The final pronouncement in the case will come two days after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during his Dec 15-17 official visit for a bilateral summit with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev consolidated bilateral trade and strategic ties and personal friendship.

The case, which has been going on in Tomsk court since June, seeks ban on a Russian translation of “Bhagavad Gita As It Is” written by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the founder of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON).

It also wants the Hindu religious text banned in Russia and declared as a literature spreading “social discord”, its distribution on Russian soil rendered illegal.
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* If one goes by Prison incarceration statistics that are available, the Russians don't have a case against Iskon or the BG..

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html

According to the above Hindu's, Sikhs and Iskon members have the lowest incarceration rate according to the percentage wrt other religions. So there is no case for Gita inciting violence or extremism. The list toppers and highest honors in the above belong obviously we know where..
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harbans wrote:
harbans wrote:
India has achieved a dynamic not seen prior 50 years and come out (of) the so called 'Hindu rate of growth'.
BRfite Upendra wrote:
Another catch word to initiate the guilt trip and get people opposing FDI to go on the defensive. listen you brainwashed moron, the term "Hindu rate of growth" was invented by a communist economist. Commies ran indian economic policies for the last 50 years and still run it, check the moronic schemes they have concoted, NREGA and like. If anyone is singly responsible for the sad state of economic affairs its the commies, so better start saying Commie rate of growth, or if that's not suitable for you how about sikh rate of growth, since sikh manmohan is running indian economy. Now how does that feels? Hurts isn't it? to be accused for no fault of yours. If you throw that catchword of yours again, i will throw mine, so be careful next time.
Why bother about slapping Aiyer, we have people mainstreaming this stuff right here on BRF..
You brought up the hindu rate of growth and got a befitting reply and lost. now you sneakily come here and start whining to try to gather sympathy.... pathetic, more in character of shady types lobbying for FDI. If you cant face the retorts don't sing commie propaganda next time.
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harbans wrote:
India has achieved a dynamic not seen prior 50 years and come out (of) the so called 'Hindu rate of growth'.
Upendra: I have been here many years before you. My views are known. I have put out a clear qualifier "so called". I have in so many years never spoken against any Hindu interest here. Yet you come in and launch a tirade against 'Sikh'.

I never broke it into a religious debate one bit. If you have difficulty understanding the implication of the word "so called" used as a sarcastic qualifier, probably you should get into some anger management class before posting what you did.

Not whining here, but if your diatribes here are becoming mainstream am pointing to BRF sharing something with Aiyer.
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harbans wrote:
harbans wrote:
India has achieved a dynamic not seen prior 50 years and come out (of) the so called 'Hindu rate of growth'.
Upendra: I have been here many years before you. My views are known. I have put out a clear qualifier "so called". I have in so many years never spoken against any Hindu interest here. Yet you come in and launch a tirade against 'Sikh'.
Its not a question of hindu or sikh, i pointed your repeated use of the term hindu-rate-of-growth to silence opposition to your viewpoints.

Example http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1203212
harbans wrote:
My understanding is that it is always better to pay in environment with competition & preferably desi logistics, desi stock and desi skills - an entire desi system.
Yes, that even had a brand name: 'The Hindu rate of Growth'.
You do it on purpose and when your inherently divisive action is pointed out you call it tiarde. To clarify no offense was meant towards any religion.
harbans wrote:Not whining here, but if your diatribes here are becoming mainstream am pointing to BRF sharing something with Aiyer.
Why blame me for the deeds of Commie Aiyer? Aiyer was rooting for china during 1962 war, am i responsible for that too?
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^^^Easy there boss. The issue is being handled appropriately. Pls cease and desist.
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deleted for spewing nonsense - JE Menon
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The East India Company
The Company that ruled the waves
As state-backed firms once again become forces in global business, we ask what they can learn from the greatest of them all

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A POPULAR parlour game among historians is debating when the modern world began. Was it when Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press, in 1440? Or when Christopher Columbus discovered America, in 1492? Or when Martin Luther published his 95 theses, in 1517? All popular choices. But there is a strong case to be made for a less conventional answer: the modern world began on a freezing New Year’s Eve, in 1600, when Elizabeth I granted a company of 218 merchants a monopoly of trade to the east of the Cape of Good Hope.

The East India Company foreshadowed the modern world in all sorts of striking ways. It was one of the first companies to offer limited liability to its shareholders. It laid the foundations of the British empire. It spawned Company Man. And—particularly relevant at the moment—it was the first state-backed company to make its mark on the world.

Read more at http://www.economist.com/node/21541753? ... c=sky|ISeb
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Upendra,

You were just cautioned, and you were cautioned earlier as well. Now you are banned. I think BRF will manage.
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Please read the complete article


Insight: Hardly "Incredible India"

FROM COCKY TO FEARFUL

India used to be full of brash business leaders.

When Tata Steel bought an Anglo-Dutch rival in 2007 for $12 billion, the newspaper headline "Empire Strikes Back" epitomized the supreme confidence of India's aggressive capitalist kingpins then on a global buying spree. Jaguar, Land Rover and other foreign brands soon followed into Indian hands.

The economy may grow at under 7 percent this fiscal year, down from initial forecasts of 9 percent. That's still a far cry from the around 3.5 percent "Hindu" rate of growth that plagued the decades after India's independence from Britain in 1947.

But these last few heady years have changed expectations.

These days, growth below 7 percent is enough for investors to delay projects, for banks to put off loans and for voters to get angry: 7 percent is the new 2-3 percent.

It was corruption scams surfacing over a year ago that may have started it - a potentially $39 billion scam involving selling telecoms licenses at rock-bottom prices effectively saw distracted politicians asleep at the economic wheel.

Suddenly politicians were jailed and billionaires questioned by police. It sent shudders through the political class. The invincibility of the political "untouchables" disappeared.

Inside India's famously bureaucratic ministries, middle-level civil servants passed the buck to top-level officials who in turn passed the buck to their reluctant political masters.

One defense contractor, who asked to not be named due to the sensitivity of the issue, recounted spending weeks at a top hotel, sipping drinks every evening with fellow frustrated arms dealers waiting for "imminent" defense ministry decisions that never came.

An Indian executive likened the country's economic malaise and government's reform limbo to an old village adage - a bullock knows that if it goes to work in the field it could get whipped, while the animal that lazes around far away does not.

"Once the spotlight is on, even minor mistakes become noticeable," said the vice-president of an infrastructure firm about a slowdown in decision making ever since corruption scandals broke last year. "That's why nobody wants to take decisions."

Many civil servants have been seen playing computer games during official hours when parliament sessions are adjourned or their minister goes on trips for G20 or World Bank meetings, according to one government official.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh may be reform-minded. But with real power lying with the populist-inclined Sonia Gandhi, he has been unable or unwilling to press for new steps to modernize and open up the economy.

With Gandhi ill, reportedly with cancer, there are signs the family dynasty that has run India for decades has lost its bearings, increasingly unable to keep its coalition partners in line as parties jostle for power before the 2014 election.

The cabinet's one sudden announcement of major reform - allowing foreign firms to hold 51 percent stakes in the supermarket sector - may have been partly driven by economic panic as the rupee plummeted, with Asia's worst-performing currency suffering from capital flight to safe havens like U.S. Treasuries.

But Singh's about-turn only 10 days later in the face of a political backlash underscored that, even at a time of alarm over the economy, politics and the concern about forthcoming elections took precedence.

FLOWS SLOW, CONFIDENCE EBBS

India's annual financing requirement of $119 billion is the highest in Asia, according to a Nomura report. The trade gap for the fiscal year to March 2012 is expected to widen sharply to $155-$160 billion from $104.4 billion a year ago.

Foreign funds are net sellers of about $300 million of Indian shares this year in sharp contrast to record investment of more than $29 billion in 2010, and India's 30-share benchmark index is down more than 23 percent, making it the worst-performing major global market this year.

"Industry is geared up to deliver infrastructure in line with the strong growth pattern and the government's forecasts," said Russell Waugh, managing director of Leighton Welspun Contractors, part of Australia's Leighton Holdings.

"But the flow (of new projects) at the moment, the real flow, is not aligned with that gearing. So we're seeing most companies struggling."

Infrastructure assets, including telecoms, construction and power, which account for about 25 percent of total corporate credit, are now a key concern for banks.

Worries about rising bad loans prompted Moody's Investors Service earlier this month to cut its outlook on India's banking sector to "negative" from "stable", saying monetary tightening and a slowdown in the economy would cut bank loan growth.

The car industry - a symbol of the aspirations of millions of India's middle classes - is now an example of how slipping growth and high interest rates have hit consumer demand and investment decisions.

Car sales in India, which jumped 30 percent in the last fiscal year, have slumped due to high interest rates and rising input costs. Sales may just break even this fiscal year.

Maruti Suzuki, India's biggest automaker, is deferring an investment of $560-740 million in plants in the western state of Gujarat due to the economic gloom.

"When we will start work in Gujarat will depend on how the market improves in the future ... at the moment the general economic situation is too negative to justify it," Maruti Chairman R. C. Bhargava told Reuters. "There's no point creating excess capacity if the demand is not there."

NO QUICK FIX

There is no quick fix for the government, with the fiscal deficit set to beat its target of 4.6 percent of GDP. But there is little sign of efforts to help investment, including speeding up approvals of projects hit by red tape and environmental approvals.

One official, monitoring government infrastructure projects, said that of 558 federal government projects, 241 were delayed as of end-July, resulting in a cost overrun of some 20 percent, or more than $31 billion.

The projects, which include setting up airports, new railway lines, shipping ports, roads and power plants, have been delayed by more than two years on average due to issues of land acquisition, environmental clearance and rising costs.

Senior government officials, who declined to be named, described a finance ministry dominated by 76-year-old Pranab Mukherjee, who is more adept at bringing together unruly coalition allies than doing anything bold about the economy.

"Mukherjee is a politician first with little time for his own ministry as he is also the chief trouble shooter for the Congress party. Many bureaucrats don't even get to see him for days and have no access to him," said one.

"His style is very old world and some say not very responsive to financial markets. It's not surprising that in a crisis like what's confronting us currently, lack of imaginative leadership in the treasury department is also reflecting in the economic woes facing the country."

Mukherjee first became finance minister in 1982, way before India had begun to rethink its post-independence socialist, state-driven economic model.

For many, India will remain in limbo only until a real crisis prompts it to act - similar to the 1991 balance of payments crisis that ushered in the country's first economic reforms under Singh, who was then finance minister.

"At the end of the day, I feel you need crisis to get going again," said V Ravichander, who advises multinationals on doing business. "And even though our growth rates have fallen from 8 to 6.9 percent on the last estimate, I guess people feel 6.9 is not still low enough for us to do something about it."

But that inertia could means India faces some turbulent years ahead, exacerbated by the 2014 election that may just polarize the country further.

"The new Hindu Rate of Growth is 6 percent and on all evidence, from macroeconomic data to the empty billboards of Mumbai, we're headed there next year," wrote Gupta.

"Returning to economic stagnation like that is bad enough by itself. But this is not the forgiving India of the past. This India has tasted growth, progress, optimism and aspiration."
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Can we please stop highlighting the "Hindu" rate of growth? Even in "articles" that give divine wisdom about the state of the economy and why and how and how and why and why and why it is soooooo important not to turn the scanner on "minor" "mistakes" of those who control and decide where billions will go into, investments, salaries, personal profit, family wealth etc etc etc.?

Alistair Scrutton and Manoj Kumar are the lead writers of this article so they did decide that the "Hindu rate of growth" was a term worthy of dropping in this article. "Additional reporting by Matthias Williams in New Delhi; Henry Foy, Swati Pandey, Rajesh Kurup and Ketan Bondre in Mumbai; Editing by John Chalmers and Ian Geoghegan" implies all these worthies did not find that the term was irrelevant if not self-contradictory and completely against formal economic theory and approach that economists are so fixated on.

At the cost of repeating [ad nauseum perhaps for those whose agenda is about Brit bootlicking and pleasing the descendants of those still hallucinating about their Raj mastery over the dark-skinned heathen Hindoo] - a "Hindu rate of growth" tagged to low growth, goes against any principles of modern economic and sociological approach. To identify a single culture as being solely responsible for "low growth" is a complete travesty of anything that is formally taught even in economics. Excuses and smiling barbs thrown by the likes of Lord of the moon - that it was merely an expression, a joke, a light-hearted dig which should not be taken so seriously [but which serious enough is to be repeated as often as possible knowing that this is one smooth and slimy way of trying to denigrate the Hindu] - only shows the depth of perversion some Hindus sink to.

These are the same voices which shout shrilly about the "diversity" of Indian culture and how, primarily the mythical Asokan imeprium-abandoning [so that Islamists and Brits are alone allowed the honours] Buddhism, Islamic peaceful pastoralists on their armed annual holidays in India, and British enlighteners of the pagan Hindu - constructed Indian culture from scratch, and has shaped modern India oevrwhelmingly.

If there is no special place for the "Hindu" in shaping Indian society, if Asokan Buddism+Islamist pastoralist peaceful tremendously India-enriching holiday activities+British missionary enlightenment and capitalist modernization are the three that has massively constructed Indian culture - how does that society's failure to "grow" be the sole responsibility of the "Hindu"? Isnt it more "IslamoChristian rate of Growth" then - since these are the two who have really constructed Indian culture and society?

The article is one long whine-fest in favour of the fetter katz of Indian society who are being hurt by the "scanner" turned on them. For the fat cats, every "mistake" is small - because they have grown up in a culture of not taking responsibility for their actions. The consequences of their mistakes have so far onlee accrued on the "chota log", and they have enjoyed their lives.

I suggest that we omit quoting the term, even if it appears in articles. It should be allowed to die a natural death.
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Bji,
very passionate and articulate post.

However, one thing:
>>I suggest that we omit quoting the term, even if it appears in articles. It should be allowed to die a natural death.

I am not sure whether this term will be allowed to die a natural death. Some simply like this term and will keep repeating it as when it can be used. To counter it, perhaps, the term needs to be renamed in such a manner that it presents the picture more accurately. I suggest commie rate of growth or congress rate of growth or socialist rate of growth. Because, economics was predominantly in the hands of commies and congress.
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No best is "Nehru rate of growth" - [congrez can claim post PVNR growth to counter], which will hurt the most I think.
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brihaspati wrote:No best is "Nehru rate of growth" - [congrez can claim post PVNR growth to counter], which will hurt the most I think.
I actually thought of 'Nehru rate of growth', but thought that growth outlived Nehru, so I shifted it to 'Congress rate of growth'. Maybe, one can say its Nehru Family rate of growth... :D
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Nehruvian rate of growth..
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"Nehruvian Rate of Growth" sounds good. maybe we can spread the idea to the "nationalists" and they will start using it in official print magazines and news articles that they write. the phrase first needs to get out there. once a critical mass of readers read it, it will be replicated.
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Guys! you have not had to coin "slogans/catch phrases" on the fly while marching? "Nehruvian" would be Nehru-like, and would make it phonetically difficult to catch on. The "Hindu" rate of growth is so liked because its phonetically simple to munch out. So I feel "Nehru rate of growth" should fit the bill. It makes it a historical period specific so no continued connotations possible. No one should mind - it should be really taken as light-hearted joke and dig, nothing serious really. If he alone and he alone and he alone was responsible for everything positive, surely he must also be alone responsible for what came out of such positive activities for the economy.
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