Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
Posted: 23 Sep 2019 01:07
Any deals announced? Gas, oil, nuclear? Weapons?
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Potus did mention Petronet LNG deal .Cain Marko wrote:Any deals announced? Gas, oil, nuclear? Weapons?
There were not that many of them and vastly outnumbered by Modi-India supporters.anishns wrote:Whatever happened to the huge congregation of jihadis who were supposedly going to cause mayhem Londonistan style?
POTUS ban gaya LOTUS.
Bingo! I agree with every word of this.Karan M wrote:Energy import from US is a great move. Reduces our dependence on Iran (never felt comfortable with their blackmailing over Islamist issues and put us in direct conflict with Israel who public smiles apart was always grimacing at us), gets us to address US carping about trade balance, most importantly wins us supporters in US industry.. all this without putting crown jewels i.e. military assets in US control.
i.e. to keep Paki-pasand mouths shut.Supratik wrote:Also more leverage in J&K(POK) to keep shut.
Another bingo comment!Karan M wrote:Modi is demonstrating the power of the NRI community to domestic US politicians. Its taking the wind out of the sails of the Hindu hating leftists in US academia, assorted lobby groups, Islamists and Khalistanis. They are being made irrelevant. India no longer needs the brown EJ wannabes to intercede for its interests in the US if it has the diaspora united in its interests and a poweful bloc of US industry supporting it. These events are equal to several squadrons of F/A-18 E/F purchases in their own right!
Very fact that US Prez talked about radical islamic terrorism is a major thing.vimal wrote:Talk is cheap. Let's see how DTs admin behaves after all this. From what I see DT admin has been pretty hard on all immigrant community especially Indians due to all the visa related restrictions etc. If India still needs leverage from US to control J&K then it's not a good sign.
They can learn to do now. Even 1% is a major swing factor in lot of key states.vimal wrote:^^ Not so sure about the mandate part. Indo-Americans are around 1% from what I know and they don't vote en-masse like peacefuls do.
What were/are the visa restrictions? I have heard of constant threat of removing H4 work permits, threat itself though enacted had same effect. Anything else?vimal wrote:Talk is cheap. Let's see how DTs admin behaves after all this. From what I see DT admin has been pretty hard on all immigrant community especially Indians due to all the visa related restrictions etc.
Primus wrote:The kids messed up the Indian anthem, IMHO. Probably too worked up.
Mort Walker wrote:There were not that many of them and vastly outnumbered by Modi-India supporters.anishns wrote:Whatever happened to the huge congregation of jihadis who were supposedly going to cause mayhem Londonistan style?
We can only hope Miller will overreach with trump and get fired by tweet.A_Gupta wrote:Stephen Miller cannot be happy with his boss Trump's praise of Indian immigrants.
more than votes parties are looking for funding. house hold income is twice the averagedisha wrote:They can learn to do now. Even 1% is a major swing factor in lot of key states.vimal wrote:^^ Not so sure about the mandate part. Indo-Americans are around 1% from what I know and they don't vote en-masse like peacefuls do.
The Republicans do want Indian immigrants, except for the hardcore EJs, but Trump's immigration policies have been bad for all people and not just Indians. Indians have not been singled out in this mess created by Stephen Miller. In the sum of all things, at this point in time, aside from Tulsi Gabbard, all other candidates from the opposition party have been lousy. So Trump will indeed get our vote.vimal wrote:I'm surprised at the ignorance of some of the forum members on how this US admin is treating immigrants including Indians in general. Life has become really hard after DT came to power and will get worse if he gets re-elected. I provide some data points below and let you decide if DT is really a friend of India/Indians.
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I can go on but this should suffice to open the eyes of the readers on this forum and see the reality of this administration and where they stand w.r.t to immigration and it's negative impact on Indians. All this high fives and howdy-mody is fine but the reality is that a lot Indians are having a very hard time in US due to DT admin. This admin has made life hell for thousands of legal immigrants. DT is a one of the most hated figure in desi community due to his policies. I don't understand why any Indian in his or her right mind would vote for him.
Roughly 1 million (or more) people were stuck in a tri-sanku svargam. No response to queries, nothing. "FBI verification in progress". Green Card applications were stacked up beyond the horizon.vimal wrote:@UlanBatori just curious. How were things worse than they are now? Were the restrictions placed now in effect even then?
Virender Sehwag's "Lunch ke baad ana" crack had nothing even close to this Catch-22 nightmare. That was actually during Obama's first term. Friend of India and Indians.Come back in 10 working days. If you come back before then we will reset the clock and you will have to wait another 10 working days before enquiring. Oh, and don't drive once your license expires
That is about the gist of it.vnms wrote: Btw, Dems would prefer to give GCs to illegals but not legals...
I've realized that the left doesn't care about legal immigrants and right hates them. Either way legal immigrants are screwed.vnms wrote:
Btw, Dems would prefer to give GCs to illegals but not legals...
The dynamics of the Howdy Modi "show" were really a projection of power by Modi. The body language spoke volumes, as did the actual language (Did Modi really have the audacity to wave at 50K American citizens, taxpayers and voters and say to Trump, "You introduced me to your family (of 4 people) but these people right here are *my* family?" To my great shock he did. Then he rubbed it in by boasting about his family back home, the now-familiar 1.3 Billion Indians.). The body language and walk was that of a general inspecting an invisible guard of honor. The deep-bow namaste at the end was to soften the impact, to decompress the domination game he played for the entire speech. If the US politicians in attendance had any intelligence they would be terrified of this man.Karan M wrote:If Trump gets a rapturous welcome from desis, there might be an off-chance he goes easy on Indian immigrants to the US too. Its not all one way traffic when Modi showcases Trump to the desi crowd and he laps up the attention. I remember in the 2003-4 timeframe vast majority of MS guys in the US getting crowded out of visa's by the crooked behavior of the H1B soaking desi IT firms. Both sides play the game, crooks make hay, and the average visa seeker who plays by the rules gets left behind.
Your concerns are valid. But then much more at stake than H1B visa and Green card issue. Trump might not be good for NRIs, but there are other geopolitical issues where he is the best bet for India. All others except Tulsi are compromised deeply by deep state and are reflexively anti Indian and Pro islam. This is true for both democrats and republicans.vimal wrote:I'm surprised at the ignorance of some of the forum members on how this US admin is treating immigrants including Indians in general. Life has become really hard after DT came to power and will get worse if he gets re-elected. I provide some data points below and let you decide if DT is really a friend of India/Indians.
Created a myriad of rulings to slow down the visa and extension process to a point where what used to take a month or two now takes three or four times more. You can google a lot of headlines but here is a sample https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-lab ... the-courts
Denial of visa extensions for no reason. I know many in my area who had to leave because they were denied extensions for no reason. Before you ask these were folks working in solid US based tech companies and had MS degrees from US universities. Some are now working from Canada and stuck there with their families.
Dependent visa restrictions. USCIS no longer processes dependent visa extensions along with primary visa holder's petition. This prevents dependent extensions along with primary, which causes dependents to go out of status due to slow processing times I already noted above. Only option then is to exit USA to get a fresh visa stamp and come back but how do you do this in the middle of school year or job. This also forces H4 EADs to be on a different cycle than primary and go out of status. A lot of employers avoid H4 EADs for aforementioned reason and fearing h4 revocation and I don't blame them. https://www.path2usa.com/blog/h4-ead-pr ... ng-delayed
Forced biometrics for extensions/green card even though they've been through the same process already during visa process. Take a day off from work/school and go to an office for finger printing/scans.
I can go on but this should suffice to open the eyes of the readers on this forum and see the reality of this administration and where they stand w.r.t to immigration and it's negative impact on Indians. All this high fives and howdy-mody is fine but the reality is that a lot Indians are having a very hard time in US due to DT admin. This admin has made life hell for thousands of legal immigrants. DT is a one of the most hated figure in desi community due to his policies. I don't understand why any Indian in his or her right mind would vote for him.
HOUSTON — Who could resist an audience of more than 50,000 Indian-Americans packed into a Texas football stadium? Not Donald Trump, on the eve of an election year, so he joined the “Howdy, Modi!” party here to proclaim, with the Indian prime minister, a great future of shared values and mutual reinforcement for the world’s two largest democracies.
It was quite a rah-rah Lone Star State show, boasting Indian-Texan cheerleaders. It was also freighted with political significance. Less than two months after Narendra Modi, with strong backing from Parliament, revoked Article 370 of the Indian Constitution, eliminating the special autonomous status of the Kashmir region and clamping down on the mainly Muslim territory, Trump chose to signal approval by standing side-by-side with the prime minister.
The president got his biggest cheer by saying the United States was determined to help protect India from the threat of “radical Islamic terrorism.” As for Modi, he brought the house down when he declared that his “new India” was bidding farewell to open defecation, taxes that are an obstacle to jobs, 350,000 shell companies, 80 million fake names used to defraud the government and — wait for it — Article 370.
“This article has deprived the people of Jammu and Kashmir of development and equal rights,” Modi said. “The forces fanning terror and terrorism were exploiting the situation.”
Then, taking aim at Muslim-majority Pakistan, whose covert backing of militant groups in Kashmir goes back decades, he threw down the gauntlet to Islamabad: “India’s actions within its boundaries are causing discomfort to some people who are unable to manage their own country. These people have put their hatred for India at the center of their political agenda.”
The situation in Kashmir, a perennial South Asian flash point where war has flared more than once between India and Pakistan, has festered for a long time. Its economy is stagnant, its potential blocked. The two countries, both nuclear-armed, always blame each other for the collapse of outreach. Both Modi, since taking office in 2014, and Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan, elected last year, have made conciliatory gestures and found them aborted in violence. For Modi, enough was enough.
His response has been sweeping. It appears to have involved significant human rights abuses. Several thousand Kashmiri political and business leaders have been rounded up, internet connections and mobile phone lines have been cut off, and Indian security forces have poured into the streets. Still, by Kashmiri standards, bloodshed has been limited; and India insists the communications blackout was intended to block social-media incitement to more violence.
Kashmir illustrates how the Trump administration’s indifference to human rights issues offers carte blanche to leaders like Modi. American pushback has disappeared. Modi, who talked up India’s diversity in his speech, has no incentive to keep his Hindu nationalist base in check. That could prove dangerous as he fast-forwards his country.
The question, however, is whether Modi had any choice in Kashmir and whether, over time, the revocation of an article conceived as temporary breaks the Kashmiri logjam, pries open the stranglehold of corrupt local elites and offers a better future. I think it might.
“We revoked a temporary constitutional provision that slowed down development, created alienation, led to separatism, fed terrorism and ended up as a deadly national security problem,” Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, the external affairs minister of India, told me. “We know the last 70 years did not work in Kashmir. It has bled us. It would be Einsteinian insanity to do the same thing and expect a different result.”
The reaction of Khan, the Pakistani prime minister, has been wild. Suggesting Modi has sympathy for the Third Reich, comparing him to a Fascist leader and stating that he may commit “genocide,” is to protest too much. Raising the possibility of nuclear war is reckless. All this suggests his bluff has been called.
If Pakistan is so concerned about Nazi Germany, it might begin by recognizing the State of Israel. Whether Pakistan really wants a solution in Kashmir, the region that justifies its bloated military budget, and whether it can ever transparently demonstrate that its intelligence services have stopped finding uses for radical Islamism in its various violent forms, remain open questions.
They are important questions for the United States, as it contemplates a military withdrawal from Afghanistan. A quandary for Trump now will be how to secure Pakistani support, rather than suffer an incensed Pakistan’s sabotage, if he moves forward with his promise to bring American troops home.
Modi will not turn back from his elimination of Kashmir’s autonomy. That phase of Indian history is over. Trump and Modi are both forceful, media-savvy politicians. But they are not alike. Modi, a self-made man from a poor family, is measured, ascetic, not driven by impulse. Trump was born on third base. He’s erratic, guided by the devouring needs of his ego. I’d bet on Modi to transform India, all of it, including the newly integrated Kashmir region.
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