Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 12 Mar 2014 18:36

NDA sanctioned Gloden Quadrilateral project, but all the road work was done by UPA. I asked, How can you say that?
Answer: When roads were completed it had UPA banners everywhere. And, the guy was damn serious when he said this.

Searched google a lot but did not find any data explaining how much work done by NDA and how much by UPA. If I remember well, nearly 70% work was completed by NDA in three years, and UPA completed remaining 30% in 10 years.

Please do help me if you have some link or data.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 12 Mar 2014 19:06

Will AK try to create a rift between SS and BJP by saying something to the effect that MH is more developed than GJ, and deflecting his MH tour topic back to Modi ji

And pappu's comparison of Modi ji to Hitler is just to create fear mongering among the secular class, nothing more.

Did anyone notice Didi silently side tracked Anna Hazare, the face of her campaign, from her Delhi rally at Ramlila Maidan after some secular clerics objected to him as being RSS agent.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 12 Mar 2014 19:06

So easy. Here you go...

http://www.livemint.com/Specials/FlY1A5 ... roads.html

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 869113.cms

http://news.oneindia.in/2013/07/02/nda- ... 50161.html

From the last link...

The report also said that nearly 3,000 km of national highways was planned to be built during 2012-17 (12th Five Year Plan) but the government decided to de-notify long parts of the highways to be built in Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat, two BJP-ruled states.

Read more at: http://news.oneindia.in/2013/07/02/nda- ... 50161.html

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2014 19:11

gandharva wrote:
merlin wrote:So where is Dilbu when you really need him?
Like Cassandra in movie Scorpion King, after losing his virginity Anti-jinx measures of Dilbulla doesn't work anymore.

Lets get the mythology & movies right.

Its from Troy and is a psy-ops by Hollywood to promote Brad Pitt.

Cassandra was the daughter of King Priam of Troy.

Hollywood put the myth of her liason with Achilles.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2014 19:12

SwamyG wrote:All you gurus give such varying numbers and I am totally confused. The numbers have been from the point of wishlist, gut feeling, some envelop calculations, serious calculations ityadi. The range for BJP has been from 150 to 300. That is a big range from BRFites. I hope after elections we don't claim BRF has been ahead of the curve. Number swings have been like the mood swings of a pregnant women.

The heartening aspect is that BJP has a chance with the lowest number being 150. Yet Congres has enough experience and the umpires to hit 36 runs in the last over to win the game. Crowd support does not matter.

Surjit Bhalla in Ind Express has a table that projects 290 for NDA

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... i-wave/99/

Please post the table if feasible.

member_28173 · Post by **member_28173** » 12 Mar 2014 19:17

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/forge ... 30429.html

NaMo Only !!!!

That's why I appreciate Gujarat Congress !! Atleast they were not doing NaMO NaMO .....

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Mar 2014 19:18

SagarAg wrote:Will AK try to create a rift between SS and BJP by saying something to the effect that MH is more developed than GJ, and deflecting his MH tour topic back to Modi ji

And pappu's comparison of Modi ji to Hitler is just to create fear mongering among the secular class, nothing more.

Did anyone notice Didi silently side tracked Anna Hazare, the face of her campaign, from her Delhi rally at Ramlila Maidan after some secular clerics objected to him as being RSS agent.

You called it right, saar.

Psy ops is being played out in some of the press to say that hazare did not show up because of low crowd attendance

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 12 Mar 2014 19:21

Arun Jaitley hitting back at pappu's jibe by comparing IG to Hitler

http://www.arunjaitley.com/en/my-opinio ... &icatId=16

archan · Post by **archan** » 12 Mar 2014 19:22

I'm not on twitter (should get on with times!) but has motorham sabah errr gunjan modi been notified that s/he has been caught in their eNREGA act?

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 12 Mar 2014 19:24

Thanks Kapilrddave ji, this is very helpful. I am also looking for the data particularly related to Golden Quadrilateral project. As this was the showcase project of NDA (deservedly so) and gentleman thinks project was done by UPA mostly. I remember there use to be detailed data related to this project on NHAI.ORG, not anymore. Most probably to hide their incompetence UPA has replaced it with the data presenting only the completion dates.

member_28173 · Post by **member_28173** » 12 Mar 2014 19:26

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... i-wave/99/

The ripple effects of Wave 2014 will change the economic and political landscape forever :p

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 12 Mar 2014 19:35

ramana wrote:
Please post the table if feasible.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 12 Mar 2014 19:36

Kujli put up a Gujarati Jain as AAP candidate in North Mumbai to split Gujju vote for BJP. The scum is 100% kommunal

Misra · Post by **Misra** » 12 Mar 2014 19:40

surjit bhalla's totals add up to 221 for BJP alone and 70 for Congress alone (and not 245/79)

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Mar 2014 19:43

jagga wrote:NDA sanctioned Gloden Quadrilateral project, but all the road work was done by UPA. I asked, How can you say that?
Answer: When roads were completed it had UPA banners everywhere. And, the guy was damn serious when he said this.

Searched google a lot but did not find any data explaining how much work done by NDA and how much by UPA. If I remember well, nearly 70% work was completed by NDA in three years, and UPA completed remaining 30% in 10 years.

Please do help me if you have some link or data.

It 87% in NDA and 6% in UPA-1, partly because of land acquisition problem near cities.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 12 Mar 2014 19:52

Misra wrote:surjit bhalla's totals add up to 221 for BJP alone and 70 for Congress alone (and not 245/79)

It doesn't have places like UK, HP, CH, etc

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 12 Mar 2014 20:29

jagga wrote:
ramana wrote:
Please post the table if feasible.

First of all, India needs to be saved from analysts like Surjit Bhalla

West Bengal -3
Orissa - 2
Assam - 7
Tamil Nadu - 2
Karnataka - 19
Andhra - 3

This is beyond optimistic. I would like all these analysts to name the seats from now, can they name 7 seats which BJP will win in Assam, 19 in KA same as 2009, wow, so nothing has changed there, 3 seats in Andhra (please name) and West Bengal (3 seats). TN, i repeat, no chance for a single seat. He is giving 36 seats to BJP in all these 6 states, while on counting day, these 6 states, together will give BJP 15 seats (11-12 in KA and 3-4 in Assam). There maybe seats where they can fancy chances in the other 4 states, but that does not in anyway allow him to add that to BJP's tally. You add a seat if you see a 70-75% chance of winning, not if there is a 30% chance.

To poke more holes, NDA is in for a tough fight this time in Punjab. AAP is severely cutting NDA votes there, while congress alliance with Manpreet Badal is going to work in their favor. I wont be surprised if in Punjab, BJP gets only 2 of the 3 they contest, and SAD only 5 of their 10. So congress and its ally may walk away with 6-7 seats. 2 seats for congress in punjab will just not happen, they will do better.

Then he has others (he better explain what this others is) as 7, and his analysis gives 24 seats for the states not mentioned here to reach that magic 245.. So that is 31. Kahan se aayega this 31 (J&K, UTT, HP, Haryana, Arunachal, Goa and UT's will give at best 20 seats assuming 5 in Haryana which is a big assumption, so again 11 seats exaggerated)

So 36 to 15, Punjab down by 1, Others and unmentioned states down by 11, thats 33 down already. So 245 down to 212.

Now the issue is with these kind of numbers, his numbers in other states where BJP can do well also goes for a toss, simply because I dont trust his analysis.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 12 Mar 2014 20:39

It is an optimistic scenario even in UP, BH. This is the max they can get if indeed there is a wave.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 12 Mar 2014 20:41

Any news of NaMo rally in SA/T? What is the opinion about his visit to SA?

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 12 Mar 2014 20:41

Supratik wrote:It is an optimistic scenario even in UP, BH. This is the max they can get if indeed there is a wave.

Arey yeh sab analysis is just morning coffee discussion type, no thinking, just brushed my teeth and pull some numbers into a sheet and yah, BJP 245 great. keep dreaming mr. bhalla.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 12 Mar 2014 20:42

if there is a wave is a very subjective line, but if indeed there is a wave, NDA may cross 100 in just UP and Bihar (if indeed there is one like 1977, but that is a big IF). Actually in Hindi heartland, this election is for BJP to avoid a clean sweep!!

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 12 Mar 2014 20:47

Mohan Bhagawat made an anti-NaMo statement because of rumors that BJP-apex wants to officially remove its commitment to Tridevalaya , UCC, art-370, population control etc from manifesto. BJP-apex is doing it NOT for muslim votes. But BJP-leaders are doing it because a big chunk of press is now funded by Saudi Arabians, and BJP-leaders want to keep them in good humor. But such M-turn in manifesto will be big let down for RSS. So RSS-apex is doing some posturing to force BJP-apex at least to give lip service to these issues. Lets see how things go.

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Pls see http://bjpelectionmanifesto.com/

BJP-leaders are still taking suggestions for manifesto !! When are they going to release manifesto for may-2014 election? Will the BJP-leaders release manifesto for may-2014 election in jun-2014? Didnt BJP-leaders know well in advance that elections are coming in may-2014? Then why these "jonny come late" situation? At last , moment they will make tall promises. And if someone like me asks for details, then fanboys and fangals will shout at me saying "is this the time to ask for details"? Well, then why not give manifesto in advance?

And I hear that BJP-leader said that "by 2022 , every Indian will home". Well, can they give details of what gazette-drafts will they print in jun-2014? As per giving homes to every Indian, it is trivially possible within 5 years with no subsidies and few law-drafts. The complex things are resolving 3 crore court disputes , improving manufacturing and improving weapon manufacturing. I am yet to see any proposals on those key issues.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 12 Mar 2014 20:56

muraliravi wrote: First of all, India needs to be saved from analysts like Surjit Bhalla

West Bengal -3

Impossible. If GJM helps wholeheartedly, they may-just may- win Darjeeling. Even that depends on whether the Gorkhas can rig more in the hills than Didi can in the plains. Apart from that, no one can win in WB. I would be interested to know if Bhalla put Hooghly (Chandan Mitra) in his winning list

Orissa - 2

BJP had a chance only in western districts, and those are now gone with the BJD-JMM alliance. IMO, BJP gets 0.

Assam - 7

Exaggerated IMO. Of the 5 seats they have announced so far (which contained their best chances, BTW), BJP is sure in only 2. It has an excellent chance in 2 more, and a tough fight in the last (Ramen Deka better pray for some polarisation in Mangaldoi). Apart from those 5 announced, BJP is likely to win Silchar. So - a realistic estimate for the BJP in Assam is 5, rather than 7.

Tamil Nadu - 2

Pon Radhakrishnan is the only one with any realistic chance. 1 at best.

Karnataka - 19

He is smoking something heavy. BJP is more realistically in 10-12 range.

Andhra - 3

This one may be possible if BJP goes in alliance with TDP. Purandareshwari in Vishakhapatnam, and Krishnam Raju in Kakinada may just win if TDP works wholeheartedly. Also, if BJP goes with TDP. Bandaru Dattatreya may win Secunderabad. Even so, 1-2 seems a more sober estimate in AP.

To poke more holes, NDA is in for a tough fight this time in Punjab. AAP is severely cutting NDA votes there, while congress alliance with Manpreet Badal is going to work in their favor. I wont be surprised if in Punjab, BJP gets only 2 of the 3 they contest, and SAD only 5 of their 10. So congress and its ally may walk away with 6-7 seats. 2 seats for congress in punjab will just not happen, they will do better.

This is correct.

Then he has others (he better explain what this others is) as 7, and his analysis gives 24 seats for the states not mentioned here to reach that magic 245.. So that is 31. Kahan se aayega this 31 (J&K, UTT, HP, Haryana, Arunachal, Goa and UT's will give at best 20 seats assuming 5 in Haryana which is a big assumption, so again 11 seats exaggerated)

From these 5, I would give BJP a more realistic estimate of 18 seats, assuming 5 in Haryana.

So 36 to 15, Punjab down by 1, Others and unmentioned states down by 11, thats 33 down already. So 245 down to 212.

Now the issue is with these kind of numbers, his numbers in other states where BJP can do well also goes for a toss, simply because I dont trust his analysis.

Agree, MuraliRavi-ji. His analysis is simply inaccurate. He is just throwing a bunch of meaningless numbers around.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Mar 2014 21:31

^^^We don't know the methodology, but there are more voters this time in 2014 and 2/3 of them will want Modi as PM and they will vote BJP.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 12 Mar 2014 21:49

Rahul Mehta wrote:Mohan Bhagawat made an anti-NaMo statement because of rumors that BJP-apex wants to officially remove its commitment to Tridevalaya , UCC, art-370, population control etc from manifesto. BJP-apex is doing it NOT for muslim votes. But BJP-leaders are doing it because a big chunk of press is now funded by Saudi Arabians, and BJP-leaders want to keep them in good humor. But such M-turn in manifesto will be big let down for RSS. So RSS-apex is doing some posturing to force BJP-apex at least to give lip service to these issues. Lets see how things go.

=====

Pls see http://bjpelectionmanifesto.com/

BJP-leaders are still taking suggestions for manifesto !! When are they going to release manifesto for may-2014 election? Will the BJP-leaders release manifesto for may-2014 election in jun-2014? Didnt BJP-leaders know well in advance that elections are coming in may-2014? Then why these "jonny come late" situation? At last , moment they will make tall promises. And if someone like me asks for details, then fanboys and fangals will shout at me saying "is this the time to ask for details"? Well, then why not give manifesto in advance?

And I hear that BJP-leader said that "by 2022 , every Indian will home". Well, can they give details of what gazette-drafts will they print in jun-2014? As per giving homes to every Indian, it is trivially possible within 5 years with no subsidies and few law-drafts. The complex things are resolving 3 crore court disputes , improving manufacturing and improving weapon manufacturing. I am yet to see any proposals on those key issues.

sire I will tell you who controls who in this planet, from the past 1000 human years, there is great war going between Asuras and Devtas, Devtas are on backfoot on all the fronts from past millennia and are retreating as because of Kali yuga, Yagya bhag for Devtas has been reduced and is keep reducing from Earth. So because of all these demoniac advances you are seeing dharmics pushed to brink as Devtas don't have enough resources to keep up with Asura, high demoniac tendencies are increasing all around and many powerful asura are taking birth in human forms to push forth their agenda. BJP stands as bunch of last line of defense before Bharat is turned into another asura power source and all dharmic minded ones are in support of this organization.
So the main point here is not keeping few proposals on back burner BUT CAPTURING POWER IN DELHI by hook or crook.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 12 Mar 2014 21:50

My optimistic calculation is NDA will cross 300.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 12 Mar 2014 21:51

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 12 Mar 2014 21:55

abhijitm wrote:My optimistic calculation is NDA will cross 300.

I say very optimistic scenario for BJP alone is 226, more likely one is 210 ... and on low end is 195.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 12 Mar 2014 22:14

Please do see Smriti Irani in AAP ki Adalat!!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 12 Mar 2014 22:15

What do you think

How Modi is misreading nation’s mood, losing chance to show up AAP

To his misfortune, the coup was foiled as Shekhawat learnt of his chicanery and flew back to Jaipur just in time to checkmate him. Sharma has since then contested as an independent, joined the Congress, and threatened to leave and rejoin it often. He once tore up his kurta in front of 10 Janpath to demand a Vidhan Sabha ticket and used some colourful language against Sonia Gandhi. Now, he wants to join Modi’s bandwagon. All this after a chai pe charcha with Vasundhara Raje. The humble reason: he wants his son to shine in politics. Any resemblance here to the Paswans of Bihar is purely coincidental. The desire of opportunists like Sharma to take a dip in the holy water of power during the election Mahakumbh is understandable. But there is a more important question here. Why does Modi want to embrace the renegades? Is he a leader or a shepherd of the black sheep? Is Modi the new Pied Piper? The 2014 election, considering the promised all-India ‘Modi wave’, is a perfect opportunity for the BJP’s PM-in-waiting to cleanse politics of its traditional malaises. Just as he is trying to retire the old guard in his own party, Modi has the perfect opportunity to rid politics of its black sheep. If he can think of slighting LK Advani and MM Joshi, what stops him from throwing out opportunists? Not since Rajiv Gandhi won the 1984 election has anybody been so popular in India. Pre-poll surveys and pollsters are predicting a rout for the Congress and his other major rivals. This is a perfect opportunity for Modi to make a clean break from dal badlus and opportunists. Since he can afford to do it, Modi can use this opportunity to prop up candidates with greater commitment to ideology and policies. But he has no shown no signs of doing this, yet. Had he done this, and there is still time for it, Modi could have taken the sheen off the Aam Aadmi Party, which has generally shown better selection criteria despite its fascination for VIPs and media personalities. But the current open-door policy and everybody-is-welcome credo in the BJP shows that in spite of the tall claims being made by its leaders, the party still doesn’t have the confidence that it can win the election without trading in horses. Modi, it is clear, can’t afford to rewrite the traditional script of politics. By embracing the Yeddys, Reddys, Rams, Pals and Lals of politics, Modi is misreading the mood of the nation. A majority of voters want real change; they want politics to be washed of its sins and sinners. People don’t just want a new PM; they want a new code of ethics in politics. One day, once the euphoria around Modi settles down, when the anger against the UPA subsides, when jokes about Pappu become stale and when blasting Kejriwal and his muffler cease to remain the nation’s favourite pastime, people would look at Modi, his ministers, MPs and partners. Don’t blame them if they feel cheated by finding the same faces in new, saffron clothes. Yeddy as India’s mines minister, anyone?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 12 Mar 2014 22:20

kmkraoind wrote:Jamwal sir, thanks for painstakingly gathering links and presenting them in a logical fashion. I think the above post should go to "collection of good post".

I just copied it from the sources mentioned in the post. Credit if any, goes to the blogger.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 12 Mar 2014 22:47

archan wrote:I'm not on twitter (should get on with times!) but has motorham sabah errr gunjan modi been notified that s/he has been caught in their eNREGA act?

She (or He) has changed the DP. I did an image search, the new photu belongs to one Komalpreet Kaur.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2014 22:48

vivek.rao Dont know the guys credentials but seems to be on a "Neti, Neti" (not this, not that) Roll. He thinks Congress will be defeated by themselves and hence is adovacting selective admissions. Such deluded persons are why Congress still runs India.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 12 Mar 2014 23:01

sire I will tell you who controls who in this planet, from the past 1000 human years, there is great war going between Asuras and Devtas, Devtas are on backfoot on all the fronts from past millennia and are retreating as because of Kali yuga, Yagya bhag for Devtas has been reduced and is keep reducing from Earth. So because of all these demoniac advances you are seeing dharmics pushed to brink as Devtas don't have enough resources to keep up with Asura, high demoniac tendencies are increasing all around and many powerful asura are taking birth in human forms to push forth their agenda. BJP stands as bunch of last line of defense before Bharat is turned into another asura power source and all dharmic minded ones are in support of this organization.
So the main point here is not keeping few proposals on back burner BUT CAPTURING POWER IN DELHI

Very well said. Modi needs do nothing crooked to capture power at this stage and join the Adharmics. The power of deliverance, righteous conduct, standing for the truth and Dharma is with him. Already based on these qualities majority Bharatiya's are backing him in huge numbers. The enthusiasm is unprecedented. THis is not hope of a century but hope of a millenia to turn round and save our nation.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 12 Mar 2014 23:03

ramana wrote:
gandharva wrote:So where is Dilbu when you really need him?
Like Cassandra in movie Scorpion King, after losing his virginity Anti-jinx measures of Dilbulla doesn't work anymore.

Lets get the mythology & movies right.

Its from Troy and is a psy-ops by Hollywood to promote Brad Pitt.

Cassandra was the daughter of King Priam of Troy.

Hollywood put the myth of her liason with Achilles.

Ramana Sir,

I was talking about this movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0277296/

with this particular seen in mind. where character Cassandra after sleeping with Mathayus (Rock) had lost her power of vision and being tested by Memnon.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 12 Mar 2014 23:14

Some Aaptards are posting this link on Modi's little known films post Riots. I saw a few but Modi didn't say anything wrong in those.

http://scroll.in/article/as-clips-of-mo ... ?id=658119

What's the worst in these?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2014 23:20

Oh. Sorry! Wrong mythology.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Mar 2014 00:42

How accurate is this projection ?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Mar 2014 00:57

Rony ji,

those estimates cannot be for BJP only, but must be fore NDA. In Punjab, BJP is fighting only on 3 seats and in Maharashtra on < 26.