India-Russia: News & Analysis

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Jul 2015 08:07

^^^ No pipeline that traverses the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to reach India should be supported under any circumstances. Any support should be limited to getting as it were inside the tent to ensure that such pipeline never takes off even to the extent of reaching the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. It is entirely a bad idea akin to handing over a loaded assault weapon to a homicidal teenager, to permit the running of any pipeline destined for India through the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Jul 2015 11:34

arun wrote:^^^ No pipeline that traverses the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to reach India should be supported under any circumstances. Any support should be limited to getting as it were inside the tent to ensure that such pipeline never takes off even to the extent of reaching the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. It is entirely a bad idea akin to handing over a loaded assault weapon to a homicidal teenager, to permit the running of any pipeline destined for India through the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

That was never an official position of GOI , they are willing to support any pipeline that comes from Pakistan or China or Bangaladesh , but so far none could come up due to political reason or external pressure.

Importing LNG is darn expensive so even if 10-20 % of needs are met via pipeline that would reduce the import bill.

I saw an EIA study where they mentioned by 2035 India will be the 2nd largest Energy Importer after China

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Jul 2015 19:11

If we are pushing ahead with the pipeline, the long term plan of Modi-Doval is to somehow convince the Chinese and Russians that keeping the PA in power and/or keeping Pakistan intact is inimical to all of their long term interests. With the Russians squaring off against the growing American presence in Eastern Europe and China focusing on creating a vast South China Sea buffer region, the last thing that either of them needs is an Islamic movement gobbling up all the Central Asian states and pushing into Xing Xiang, Chechnya, Dagestan, etc.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 12 Jul 2015 19:31

I would like to see which entity is foolish enough to back a pipeline passing through pakistan where no entity has sovereign control and the risks weighing against the pipeline far outweigh the reward.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Jul 2015 23:24

A pipeline through China/Tibet to India is far more practical than any line through Pak. Despite the Chinese enmity towards us,this is far better it involves Russian energy supplies and perhaps Central Asian eebrgy as well.It will be very hesistant to pi*ss Russia off by disrupting supplies to India. Perhaps this could be one major way in which the Chinese understand that it is better "having India inside the tent p*ssing out,rather than outside p*ssing in". It could make China less belligerent against India and see the wisdom of cooperating with it,bringing eco benefits for all 3 nations instead of supporting a radical Islamic nuclear powder keg like Pak.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Jul 2015 11:33

Former Indian Ambassador and expert in foreign affairs

Why is Pentagon Sweating Bullets Over Sino-Russian Alliance? Melkulangara K. Bhadrakumar

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Jul 2015 13:32

Great friend of India,Yevgeny Primakov passes on.RIP

http://beta.theweek.in/columns/prasanna ... ed-us.html

Spy who loved us

By R Prasannan | July 19, 2015

Yevgeny Primakov, the man who changed the course of the world by changing the course of his airplane, died last week, unmourned by India. No condolence from the PM; few tributes in Indian media.

A bad miss. Especially since the death took place days before the PM was to join the gang which Primakov founded as Russia's foreign minister, and promoted as prime minister.

India owes him a lot. In the post-cold war chaos, when everyone was on his own, he sought us out. The warship he offered Vajpayee in 1998 is now our largest warship, on the deck of which Narendra Modi had his first prime ministerial outing. The world owes him a lot—he ended its unipolarity.

During the cold war, the world was bipolar. Then Mikhail Gorbachev said 'perestroika', and presto! there was no USSR. Before Boris Yeltsin said 'Czechoslovakia', most Soviet client states and confederates had joined the US gang.

When they broke up the USSR, the Russians thought they would be patted on the back for banishing the Bolsheviks, saluted for their military might, respected for their sciences, welcomed into the European clubs of elegance, and coopted as partners in building a new world. Their rulers waltzed to western tunes, cut the rouble hundredfold, got tank factories to build tractors, signed on the US-dotted lines, and told old pals like India to get lost.

India got lost, literally. Rocket engines were denied; warjet spares stopped. Our rockets got spiked, our MiGs fell off the skies, army formations ran out of ammunition.

As India despaired, Russia rusted. With no buyers for tank factory-made tractors, assembly lines stopped. Soldiers joined mafia gangs, professors became pimps, lab scientists became cab drivers.

NATO bloated. Russia's borders came within the range of NATO guns. Russia's submarine bases were snooped, air bases compromised, missile silos told on for 30 silver. The American eagle hovered over the world, swooping on Haiti, Somalia and Bosnia. The Russian polar bear was taken for a unipolar sledge ride.

It took Russia four years to realise the mistake, and get its factories to build tanks and warjets again. In 1996 the Duma forced Yeltsin to sack his yankeephile foreign minister and induct Primakov.

The old spymaster flew to Shanghai, formed a gang of five with China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and told the Americans to keep off central Asia. Next he tore up the nasty NATO deals and negotiated a new one, though he couldn't gain much leeway. Promoted premier after a 1998 rouble crisis, Primakov offered the new T-90s, newer MiGs, and futuristic Sukhois to Algeria and Angola, China and Chad, India and Indonesia.

To India, they were special, politically, too. Four PMs from three parties—Narasimha Rao, Deve Gowda, I.K. Gujral and Vajpayee—agreed not to scuttle the deals.

In 1999, while flying to the US for a state visit, he heard the US had begun bombing Belgrade, without telling him; 30,000 feet above the Atlantic, he asked his pilot to turn back.

Now known as Primakov's Loop, it marked the end of global unipolarity. Dictated détente ended; the east began to assert as Primakov coaxed the big three of Asia—Russia, India and China—into a strategic triangle.

Fearful of Primakov's popularity, Yeltsin sacked him in 1999. A bigger bully, Vladimir Putin, came on the scene and eased out Yeltsin.

Primakov's legacy lives on through Putin. The RIC triangle is gaining gravitas. The trio have coopted Brazil and South Africa to form BRICS, a club of the world's resource-richest five. India is becoming a full paid member of the Shanghai gang.

TAILPIECE: When in Moscow to report the 1993 parliament crisis, I asked a cabbie how he had learnt English. He said he had a doctorate from Bauman Technology University. Bauman sages were once revered as Brahmarshis among scientists.
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http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-pri ... 94651.html

Former Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov Dies
Yevgeny Primakov (1929-2015)

June 26, 2015
Yevgeny Primakov, a former Russian prime minister, foreign minister, and spy chief known for his assertive diplomacy and a desperate attempt to avert NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, has died at age 85.

The cause of Primakov's death was not immediately clear, although he was known to have been battling cancer. A Kremlin statement on June 26 said he died in Moscow, and state-run news agency RIA quoted his grandson Yevgeny Sandro as saying "it happened today."

President Vladimir Putin offered "deep condolences" to Primakov's family and friends, the tatement said. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Putin considered him "a statesman, a scholar, and a politician who has left a very big legacy."

A deliberate speaker whose lumbering manner seemed mismatched to an active mind and diplomatic dexterity, Primakov was a prominent figure throughout the era of Russia's first post-Soviet president, Boris Yeltsin.

Born in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv in 1929, Primakov was brought up in Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia.

He graduated as an Arabic scholar from the Moscow Institute for Oriental Studies in 1953 and went on to be a foreign correspondent, spending years reporting from the Middle East from Soviet state media -- a role widely seen as a cover for spy work.

After holding several academic positions, he entered the political stage in the late 1980s and became chairman of one of the chambers of the Soviet parliament in 1989, helping spearhead Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev's political reforms.

Primakov played a key role in Russia's unsuccessful efforts to prevent the 1991 Gulf War -- something that led a senior U.S. official in 2003 to say Primakov had been "a pain in the neck" at the time. Drawing on his deep knowledge of the Middle East, Gorbachev sent him to Baghdad to negotiate with leader Saddam Hussein.

In 1991, as the Soviet Union was falling apart, he was named head of Russia's foreign intelligence service (SVR), and held the job for five years before becoming foreign minister in 1996.

'A Political Giant'

As top diplomat at a time when Russia was stinging from the loss of its Soviet empire, Primakov was seen as a staunch but realistic supporter of Moscow's interests. He was a prominent voice in Russia's opposition to perceived U.S. dominance and advocacy of a "multipolar" world.

Named prime minister in 1998 as Yeltsin struggled with political rifts in the Russian elite in the wake of an economic collapse, Primakov was credited with restoring a degree of stability, although his opponents accused him of freezing economic reforms.

Prominent liberal politician Irina Khakamada says Primakov was a political giant who left a deep imprint on Russia.

"He was extremely visionary about the world, generally," she told RFE/RL. "Both in parliament and in the government, he always asked very sharp questions and did not belong to any camp. The answers to these questions determined the country's future."

In the West and in Russia, Primakov is best known for his hard-hitting diplomatic moves.

In 1999, as prime minister, he ordered his U.S.-bound plane to turn around over the Atlantic Ocean after learning that NATO had begun a bombing campaign against Yugoslavia over the Kosovo crisis.

He called the bombing an "enormous historic mistake" -- a view that is often echoed to this day in Russia, where the NATO campaign figures in Putin's portrayal of the United States as a dangerous global bully. The famous midflight turnaround bolstered his popularity at home and is widely considered a watershed moment in Russia's foreign policy.

But Yury Kobaladze, a journalist and former colleague of Primakov at the SVR, says Primakov's decision to turn the plane around was anything but impulsive.

"I worked at [Russian news agency] TASS at the time, I was the deputy director-general and I followed the events," he said. "It was not a spontaneous decision. He warned the Americans that he could not visit if the bombing started. I know that, prior to this, he also informed then-President Yeltsin about his decision, and that this decision was approved."

Eclipsed By Putin

Yeltsin eventually sacked Primakov in May 1999 in what many saw as an attempt to get rid of an increasingly influential and popular rival.

Primakov aligned himself with a populist political bloc and indicated that he would run in the 2000 presidential election.

Initially seen as a chief candidate to succeed Yeltsin, he was eclipsed by Putin, whose rise to prominence amid Kremlin intrigues and war in Chechnya was cemented when Yeltsin stepped down on December 31, 1999 and named him acting president.

Putin, whose power was cemented by his election to the presidency in March 2000, occasionally tapped into Primakov's expertise.

In 2003, he appointed Primakov as his envoy to Iraq and sent him on another mission -- again unsuccessful -- to talk to Hussein and try to avert war.

Primakov was also among those who tried to mediate with Chechen terrorists who seized hundreds of hostages at a Moscow theater in 2002.

Primakov's prominence diminished in recent years. But he made a splash in January when he called on the Kremlin to diversify the Russian economy and recognize war-torn Donbas as part of Ukraine, adding that Russia should be open to cooperation with NATO and the United States.

Based on reporting by RFE/RL's Russian Service correspondent Yevgenia Nazarets, AP, Reuters, AFP, and Interfax

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Jul 2015 15:57

Rosneft Makes Bold Move In India, Secures Asian Market Position

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Jul 2015 21:00

No politics , just nice pictures of double decker train service "Moscow-Voronezh"

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/65098/

Philip you might want to travel and meet Putin

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Jul 2015 14:27

If he sends me a ticket,first class,hospitality and chaperone included!

What have we here? O'Bomber actually praising Putin? Yanqui lovers must be falling off their bar stools!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -deal.html
Barack Obama praises Putin for help clinching Iran deal
The unexpected consequence of the talks - an “opening” for further detente in the worst crisis in American-Russian relations since the Cold War

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Jul 2015 16:50

For any one who thinks Pakistan should not get any toe hold in our pipeline project , here is one report of Modi Supporting TAPI Project

Modi pushes for TAPI project

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 412092.ece

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 16 Jul 2015 17:47

Austin wrote: For any one who thinks Pakistan should not get any toe hold in our pipeline project , here is one report of Modi Supporting TAPI Project

Political support means nothing if no one will insure the pipeline -- Given the PM's push for closer ties with countries in Central Asia, this may be more about engaging Turkmenistan, Afghanisthan and Iran, rather than pakistan. A pipeline that bypasses Pakistan would be more feasible than one through pakistan. The question of who gets to pay for the damage and maintenance of the pipeline in Pakistan is not something that can be wished away by pointing to political support for the pipeline.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Jul 2015 21:38

TAPI can be Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Persia India pipeline .

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Jul 2015 08:17

Tuvaluan wrote:Political support means nothing if no one will insure the pipeline -- Given the PM's push for closer ties with countries in Central Asia, this may be more about engaging Turkmenistan, Afghanisthan and Iran, rather than pakistan. A pipeline that bypasses Pakistan would be more feasible than one through pakistan. The question of who gets to pay for the damage and maintenance of the pipeline in Pakistan is not something that can be wished away by pointing to political support for the pipeline.

Any damage to Pakistan pipe line would also affect it ability to get gas , as long as the damage is in the country territory its that countries responsibility for safe keep and maintenance of these pipe lines.

Lets see what comes up TAPI or Russian Pipe Lines ..both will pass through pakistan....unless the China route works which is also the most expensive to build

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 17 Jul 2015 18:27

Austin wrote: Any damage to Pakistan pipe line would also affect it ability to get gas , as long as the damage is in the country territory its that countries responsibility for safe keep and maintenance of these pipe lines.

And you say this after observing Pakistan's ability to not hinder its own interests if it has to choose between messing with India and screwing itself? Along the same lines, you may as well claim Pakistan's ability to improve its economy will require it to maintain internal security of its economic partners, because that is true for most other countries. It is not true for pakistan, is it?

You really think the pakis won't mess with the pipeline if it will screw India short-term if they are given the capability to do that? Perhaps you can point out to some historical evidence of paki behavior that supports you view?

Lets see what comes up TAPI or Russian Pipe Lines ..both will pass through pakistan....unless the China route works which is also the most expensive to build

There are a lot of anti-army factions that will see a value in being disruptive, even if the army wants all of this to come to fruition to line their own pockets. As long as it is other countries investing their money on such worthless projects, it is probably not India's concern. The cost of being disruptive is far lower than the cost of ensuring security of the pipeline, and unless one ignores the utter lawlessness that exists in pakistan, such "20 pipelines shall be built and they will all come and enjoy" statements border on cluelessness about paki reality.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Jul 2015 20:11

You are right and I have my own apprehension of such pipeline as I dont want to give them any royalty for pipeline coming via their land mass to india.

I am assuming since Modi is rooting for it , The MOD/Intel Agency and GOI must have done their own due delligence from Security and Economic POV to approve this project else it would have been a non starter. Even the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline had GOI Nod

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 17 Jul 2015 20:28

^^It could also be a red-herring to see if Pak bites. I doubt Modi, especially AD, really think TAPI will be good for India and also force/induce Pakistan to behave. The current GoI's Pakistan policy seems to be multi-faceted: strong action on the ground, multiple and public opportunities to engage in dialogue and progress. So far, Pakistan has shown nothing new in their approach, but since this is NaMo's first term, he is trying out his own approach. Or our own media will castigate him for unwanted aggression (their words, not mine

). Repeated rejections by Pakistan will only add to our justification if we take some real action in the future. I am suspecting TAPI is just another carrot in that bag of ideas.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Jul 2015 11:16

Greece’s Lesson For Russia — Paul Craig Roberts

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Jul 2015 15:56

Despite sanctions, Russia remains global energy player

http://globalriskinsights.com/2015/07/d ... gy-player/

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Jul 2015 18:42

Nice one Jhujar! The "P" in TAPI could certainly be Persia.

I think that the GOI is offering TAPI as a test of Pak's sincerity on the "p*ss in our time" front. If Pak is serious about rapproachment with India,then it will give the green light to TAPI and curb the Taliban in Afghanistan from sabotaging it. It is caught in a cleft stick.Either it swallows its pride and enjoys the eco benefits,or it scuttles the plan and shows its true self. There is another possibility that we must also not rule out.That it gives the green ligtht,and after the pipeline is built ..at huge cost,turns the tap "on and off" when it wants,holding us to ransom just as the Russians are doing to the UKR!

This is what the GOI should keep foremost in its mind.I am totally against any such TAPI plan.It's suicide whend ealing with the current Paki establishment and its anti-India mindset. Pak should be treated like a "contagious disease",Ebola,AIDS,whatever. Quarantined diplomatically with the barest minimum of cintact. Any "communications " across the firing line,as is its wont,should be repaid tenfold,or even a hundred fold!

Now that Iran is back in world favour,to the gnashing of teeth and shaking of fists of the Soothis in particular, India should accelerate on a war footing the dev. of CharBahar and the rail/pipeline link to Central Asia and Afghanistan. Pak must be outflanked,outfoxed and outclassed by our diplo-mil strategy and tactics.

member_27581 · Post by **member_27581** » 02 Aug 2015 16:29

Not sure which thread to put it in. Mods please delete and suggest suitable thread if posted in wrong one.

http://idrw.org/pakistani-general-impre ... -soldiers/

[Russian soldiers are highly-skilled professionals, said Muhammad Aslam Nadeem, Brigadier General of the Pakistani Army. Members of the Pakistani Army are currently in Russia to participate in the International Army Games.

“The armed forces of both countries have things to learn from each other. Judging from my interaction with the military personnel here in Moscow and in Yeysk, and I can make a conclusion about their high professionalism,” the Brigadier General said.

Nadeem also praised the relations between Russia and Pakistan, especially in the military and technological sectors.

Russia is working to develop military relationships with several nations participating in the games.

The first international Army Games kicked off in Russia on August 1 and will come to end on August 15. The large-scale competition involves more than 2,000 men representing 17 countries. Their teams will prove their skills in 14 contests on 11 firing ranges in Russia, including such spectacular military sports as tank biathlon and air darts.

Finding new masters or probably praising master's old master
High level description of what this year's edition entails

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2015/04/07 ... 42451.html

http://mil.ru/files/files/armygames/uchastniki-en.html

Pictorial overview of which country is participating in what. Interestingly China is participating in almost all games and India only the Tank Biathlon and Pakistan only in Masters of Air Defence.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Aug 2015 07:57

ranjan.rao wrote: [Russian soldiers are highly-skilled professionals, said Muhammad Aslam Nadeem, Brigadier General of the Pakistani Army. Members of the Pakistani Army are currently in Russia to participate in the International Army Games.

“The armed forces of both countries have things to learn from each other. Judging from my interaction with the military personnel here in Moscow and in Yeysk, and I can make a conclusion about their high professionalism,” the Brigadier General said.

Learn from Each other

The Russian would well learn from Pakistani Armed forces on how to support Terrorist and Terrorism with Plausible Deniability

member_27581 · Post by **member_27581** » 03 Aug 2015 16:24

Austin wrote:The Russian would well learn from Pakistani Armed forces on how to support Terrorist and Terrorism with Plausible Deniability

Austin, More than Russians we need to learn that, had we done even 10% of what Pakis have done in Kashmire in Baluchistan then we CPEC/OBOR would not have come into existence. Hope Russians pass it on to us or we refresh our '70/80s books.

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 07 Aug 2015 06:29

via twitter

Alexander Yakovenko ‏@Amb_Yakovenko 11h11 hours ago
Russia to strike agreement with Pakistan to build Karachi-Lahore gas pipeline. Econ. development contributes to peace

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Aug 2015 19:52

Abhay_S wrote:via twitter

Alexander Yakovenko ‏@Amb_Yakovenko 11h11 hours ago
Russia to strike agreement with Pakistan to build Karachi-Lahore gas pipeline. Econ. development contributes to peace

British effort for 250 years to prevent Russia from having closer relations with Indian sub continent cannot succeed.

Russia has friendly relations with India for more than 50 years.
Anglo powers tried to prevent the linking of the region from the CAS to India with ongoing afghan war for 25 years.
Russia has now better relations with Af Pak area including Pak state

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 07 Aug 2015 21:52

Falling oil price is good for Indo-Russia relationship. Russians need Indian mony........once more. We will see proof of this very soon.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 07 Aug 2015 22:04

As long as Russians get the money upfront they will be fine. Of course La-whore krachi pipeline is safer than anything via pakhtoonistan and baluchistan.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 Aug 2015 15:15

rsingh wrote:Falling oil price is good for Indo-Russia relationship. Russians need Indian mony........once more. We will see proof of this very soon.

More than falling oil price because it some what gets compensated by depreciating rouble , its the sanctions that EU and US has imposed is good for Russia itself and us.

I always said Energy demand is rising from two countries i.e China and India and the future is with them , The faster Russia tries to decouple itself from EU economy and integrate more with BRICS India and China the better it is for them and for us.

Those guys got lazy and sloppy with cheap money from QE and had the Dutch Disease in their economy which is now getting slowly cured , once they decouple from EU which is their main trading partner for now and move to ASIA and BRICS they would get countries with which will go long term in 5-8 % like india and their energy needs and other trade links will grow over period of time , Long term it good for them.

I just hope EU and US maintain their sanction for many years to come else the Oligarch would be tempted to suck up to EU whores.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 11 Aug 2015 18:26

The Russians are white Christian Eastern Orthodox and have more cultural similarities to the EU than they do with China & India. No one in Russia would like to visit or emigrate to China or India in any large numbers in comparison to the EU. In a couple of years when the Russian economy is in a complete slump, sanctions will be lifted by the west in exchange for limiting the sale of military technology to China & India. India will have nothing to show for the billions of dollars invested in the PAK-FA.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 11 Aug 2015 22:28

In few years if West has an economy remains to be seen

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Aug 2015 03:04

Energy prices are plummeting and ME countries will see their economies stagnate and contract - similar to what Russia is seeing now. The US is producing its own energy and exporting it. The EU and US retain significant industrial and energy production capacity more than the BRICS combined. Of the BRICS, only India and China are of any value, the rest are already have significant economic trouble. The Chinese economy has overextended itself and India is still a turtle coming out of its shell. India-Russia trade is less than $10 billion in 2014. So far as of June 2015 it is around $3.1 billion. See: http://indianembassy.ru/index.php?optio ... 06&lang=en

India-China trade is nearly $80 billion, India-US trade nearly $100 billion, and the rest of SE Asia is also quite significant. India is heading for a $3 trillion economy by end of fiscal 2017. Russia is insignificant for India. India is better off spending more of its resources working with SE Asia. No one in India wants to travel, tour and do business in Russia like they would to the rest of Asia, EU or the US. The Russians are kleptocracy very similar to TSP. Putin and his buddies have tens of billions of dollars in assets. He would make Mr. Dus Percenti proud.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Aug 2015 03:16

I talked to a fracking field guy. He says the oil price downturn has made them shut of the low and medium producing wells. And will be brought back online when price is right. Meantime the time to drill deep wells has drastically fallen. Talking about 18kfeet deep well in six months.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 12 Aug 2015 03:37

ramana wrote:I talked to a fracking field guy. He says the oil price downturn has made them shut of the low and medium producing wells. And will be brought back online when price is right. Meantime the time to drill deep wells has drastically fallen. Talking about 18kfeet deep well in six months.

Maybe it's time for the Deccan Traps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deccan_Traps
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1542698/posts

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 Aug 2015 03:49

ramana wrote:I talked to a fracking field guy. He says the oil price downturn has made them shut of the low and medium producing wells. And will be brought back online when price is right. Meantime the time to drill deep wells has drastically fallen. Talking about 18kfeet deep well in six months.

It will be the bringing of millions of old wells on line using the new tech, which will evenntually finish the oil as "the Oil". By doing so WEST/ Massa will buy few more decades of supremacy. From Indian view point, one and half decade will do to wash many sins of past millennia.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Aug 2015 03:55

^^^Yes. The US will clean up its old wells and flush out the remaining oil. Don't be surprised that the US will ship large quantities of LPG to India in the next 5-10 years. It may turn out to be cheaper and more reliable than Saudi or Iran gas.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Aug 2015 12:23

Mort Walker wrote: The US is producing its own energy and exporting it. The EU and US retain significant industrial and energy production capacity more than the BRICS combined.

How much petroleum does the United States import and from where?

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=727&t=6

Even the small quantities of LNG export they are planning is doubted in fear about the impact it will have on its local market.

As far as Shale goes that industry was never in Profit even during good time of $100 oil not to mentioned the current low in Oil Market

97% of fracking now operating at a loss at current oil prices

latest report on Shale from EIA

US Shale Declining And OPEC Still Climbing

durairaaj · Post by **durairaaj** » 12 Aug 2015 20:40

pandyan wrote:what is the typical process after oil/gas is extracted? what happens to the empty space?

several sci-fi movies predict planet destruction due to core-collapse triggered by indiscriminate mining.

About Oil & Gas extraction:
Its not one process thats used everywhere. Different geography requires different approaches. To answer your questions on the effect of emptying of oil, if the rocks or the area are weak, it will lead to minor earthquakes and/or sink holes. In fracking, generally use hot water/steam, one can use carbon dioxide (future technology), to pushout the oil . These fluids displace the oil and gas trapped in the porous rocks.

About sci-fi movie like global destruction from mining: We are simpy scratching the surface. We hardly reached few kilometers and the molten iron core starts in the range of hundreds of kilometer (check Wiki on this) depth.
Unless we have DarthVader's death star or a giant bullet to knock us out of the solar system, we cannot cool down the earth's core.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Aug 2015 23:25

Beautiful Russian Orthodox Choir Chanting Choral Vocal

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 13 Aug 2015 08:49

^^^Who cares? And why is a Russian orthodox choir relevant to India-Russia developments? Are those fellows gonna make the PAKFA fly without falling apart anytime soon?
Religious Russian Christians hate Hindus as much, if not more, as the evangelical nuts in the west.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Aug 2015 11:52

Just listen to the Choir and Chill

AFAIK the Orthodox church does not involved in conversion drive in India as the US Evangelical does