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Singha wrote:
thats it, no need to fire a shot immediately.

Singha wrote:install a small AA unit, block their land route and let them cordially know that
- any attempt at aerial incursion will attract MANPADS now
- any attempt to escape by land will be intercepted and they will be arrested, disarmed, flown to delhi and handed over to red cross for repatriation after media interview and parade (loss of face) - install a mobile armour and infantry unit 500m from them to block any escape route.
- they are welcome to sit there and starve if they want.
- install some loudspeakers and bombard their camp with bappi lahiri music 24x7 (cruel I know, against geneva convention, but what to do we are cruel yindoo onlee)
- periodically bring in sanitation trucks and dump the human waste and rotting kitchen garbage in heaps upwind from their camp - let them smell the fragrant jasmines of yindoostan , catch 100s of live rats and release them next to the camp to sit there and run riot

thats it, no need to fire a shot immediately.

SSridhar wrote:Times Now channel reporting that China is unwilling to accept that its troops are on Indian territory. So, it is now very clear that from the very beginning, they had planned this incursion. There can therefore be no more pretension of 'differing perception' or 'not sharply defined border' etc. excuses from our side. Military retaliation is the only alternative.
It is now clear that the Chinese planned this incident just ahead of the Chinese PM's visit and after homilies by President Xi Jinping kindled a sense of expectation in Indian leaders and bureaucracy. Their thinking is that this would put the Indian leaders in a dilemma and they would decide not to react in the interests of relationship.

Carl wrote:Would be useful if you and other gurus could list some signs and evidence of this nexus at work - which manufactures an emergency everytime India's MIC wants to gear up for next level, and thereby spurs a buying spree to upgrade rather than investing in our own MIC...

In Beijing, Mr. Akbaruddin’s (Indian MEA Spokesperson) counterpart, Hua Chunying, sought to play down the tensions amid a shift in tone compared to the previous day when she had strongly rejected Indian claims of an incursion as “speculation” and stressed that the Chinese troops were on “their side of the border.’’

On Tuesday, she declined to comment on the on-ground situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and instead emphasised the good momentum in India-China ties and sound interactions and cooperation on the border issue.

“The two sides should work together to properly solve this issue left over from history through peaceful negotiations, so as to create good conditions for sound development of bilateral relations,’’ she said.

SSridhar wrote:In fact, this Chinese intrusion well beyond DBO and almost to the nape of Siachen must open the eyes of those who were arguing for turning Siachen into a peace park and India withdrawing its soldiers. They are forgetting that TSPA and PLA are together in their nefarious activities.

SSridhar wrote: In Beijing, Mr. Akbaruddin’s (Indian MEA Spokesperson) counterpart, Hua Chunying, sought to play down the tensions amid a shift in tone compared to the previous day when she had strongly rejected Indian claims of an incursion as “speculation” and stressed that the Chinese troops were on “their side of the border.’’

On Tuesday, she declined to comment on the on-ground situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and instead emphasised the good momentum in India-China ties and sound interactions and cooperation on the border issue.

“The two sides should work together to properly solve this issue left over from history through peaceful negotiations, so as to create good conditions for sound development of bilateral relations,’’ she said.

ShauryaT wrote:

SSridhar wrote:In fact, this Chinese intrusion well beyond DBO and almost to the nape of Siachen must open the eyes of those who were arguing for turning Siachen into a peace park and India withdrawing its soldiers. They are forgetting that TSPA and PLA are together in their nefarious activities.

KKP is far closer and they are already there.

SSridhar wrote: Of course, ShauryaT. But, that is north of Siachen and this is south of it. A good pincer.

China refuses to pull back troops from Ladakh, wants India to dismantle posts: Reports

New Delhi/Srinagar: Even as the "face-off" continued between Indian and Chinese Army troops at Depsang in Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) sector in Ladakh, reports claimed on Wednesday that Beijing has asked New Delhi to dismantle several fortified positions in the so-called disputed territory.

At the second flag meeting held on Tuesday following the April 15 incident when a platoon of troops from China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) intruded 10 kilometres inside the Indian territory in DBO sector and set up a tented post there, no resolution could be reached between the two sides.

As per reports, the Indian side refused to accept the Chinese demand and that led to an impasse.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/ch ... 44319.html

Jhujar wrote:Tweet form a Fauji

Lt Gen H S Panag(R) ‏@rwac48 2h
19.#Standoff:China feels most vulnerable from SSN due proximity to Aksai Chin-Xingiang Highway.Pre/in 62 ops commenced from SSN.

1. #Standoff:India&PRC are both striving for stability,economic prosperity,great power status&position of preeminence in comity of nations.

2. #Standoff:PRC's 2 maj vulnerabilities-Tibet&sea lanes of communications which r geo-strategically&politically linked with India.

3. #Standoff:Dalai Lama,Tibetan Govt&sizeable population in India.PRC sees India as principle supporter/instigator of free Tibet.

4. #Standoff:To counter threat to sea lanes,string of pearls policy with pol,economic&mil investment in geo strategic areas/neighbours.

5. #Standoff:Unsettled borders is part of strategy 4 competitive conflict in general&to ward off perceived direct/indirect threat to Tibet.

6. #Standoff:Himalayas between India&Tibet a frontier region.PRC strategically preempted&seized Aksai Chin&all else it required by mid 50s.

7. #Standoff:PRC ready 4 converting frontier/border to IB in 50s.Unrest in Tibet,Dalai L asylum&Don Quixotic fwd policy led to 62 debacle.

8. #Standoff:PRC supremacy established&Frontier converted to Border/LAC which has been kept tense via Mutt&Jeff tactics as part of strategy.

9. #Standoff:To safeguard Tibet&as part of competitive conflict,LAC will be kept tense to exercise leverage&humiliate weaker India.

10. #Standoff:India has an ambiguous functional strategy,ambitious in vision&weak in application,vis China.Tibet card kept close to chest.

11. #Standoff:In application,strat is barely tactical with realpolitiks,infrastructure&mil prowess not matching the ambiguous strat vision.

12. #Standoff:Mismatch between strat vision,&capacity 4 led to 62.Gap has reduced but capacity only 4 dissuasion&not retribution.

13. #Standoff:9 mutually accepted areas of differing perceptions of LAC.Both sides patrol up to perceived LAC.No confrontation since 86.

14.#Standoff:Night 15Apr PLA patrol of a platoon intruded 2 km beyond their own perceived LAC ie 10 km from our perceived LAC.

15.#Standoff:Temporary Camp set up.8 days not moved back.Overall area known as Sub Sector North(SSN) with Daulet Begh Oldie(DBO) in centre.

16. #Standoff:SSN 17000ft+ plateau lies 50 km due East of Siachen glacier.Karakoram Pass is in its North.See map. http://pic.twitter.com/xPIsJRIUDp

17.#Standoff:Until recently reached from Sasoma in Nubra or along Shyok River after 3 day march.A road has now been constructed along Shyok.

18.#Standoff:DBO located in Centre of SSN with activated airfield.Intrusion 40 km SE of DBO at Burtse in Depsang Valley.(Please refer to my map earlier for this location. They are basically sitting on the access route to DBO Airfield

19.#Standoff:China feels most vulnerable from SSN due proximity to Aksai Chin-Xingiang Highway.Pre/in 62 ops commenced from SSN.

20.#Standoff:Earlier own infrastructure poor now due airfield&road it is much improved.So greater perceived threat by PLA.

21.#Standoff:Intrusion due strat of Mutt&Jeff,our improved infrastructure to preempt build up,humiliate ,quid pro quo(?),PM visit(?).Combo!

22.#Standoff:Our strat should be a firm response-a combo of diplomacy,quid pro quo to our perceived LAC&be prep 4 escalation.

23.#Standoff:We must not accept status quo.It will be a strat defeat wo war with international humiliation.National morale will sink.

24.#Standoff:Escalation contingencies must incl move of a Brigade&Mech Forces Combat Gp to SSN,an addl Div and Armd Brigade to Ladakh.

25.#Standoff:Demonstration flts by IAF.Be prep for full mobilisation in all sectors.We must replicate the Sumdrong Valley Strategy of 86/87.

Unrest in China's Xinjiang kills 21 people

BEIJING — Twenty-one people, including police officers and social workers, were killed in violent clashes in China's ethnically-divided western region of Xinjiang, a local official said Wednesday.
"Twenty-one persons were killed in all... including social workers and policemen," an official surnamed Cao from the provincial government's news office said of the incident, which, he added, occurred on Tuesday.
Gun fights broke out in Bachu county, in the west of the province, after police went to search the home of locals suspected of possessing guns, a report on Tianshan Net, a government-run news website, said.
The report described the fighting as a "violent terror incident".
It said 15 of those killed were either police or social workers, with 11 of them being members of China's Uighur ethnic minority, who live mainly in Xinjiang.
A further six "gang members" were shot dead in the violence, the report said, without giving their identities.
Cao confirmed the contents of the report, but said he did not know how many police were among the dead.

SSridhar wrote:From the TimesNow channel photographs, I see regular constructions and also what looked like a commnication tower. Are these Indian structures that the PLA has occupied ?

Singha wrote:. . .we have made no public statement that any airspace violators will be shot at and reinforced that message by deploying a SAM battery a mile from their hangout.

Singha wrote:one really wonders if their formation is just a platoon 40 people to be doing so much...a busy set of boys....I wonder if constant helicopter borne sorties are being flown to reinforce and resupply them as we have made no public statement that any airspace violators will be shot at and reinforced that message by deploying a SAM battery a mile from their hangout.

Singha wrote:so there is no motorable road going through burtse right?

that also precludes moving any heavy wheeled or artillery/radar assets to the location.

I think they are setting it up as a tripwire to attack through the depsang plains using motorized and heliborne units and take over DBG incl the airbase...its stuck out in middle of nowhere without a means to reinforce easily.

so we will need to reinforce that place first if we want to up the game right there or find some other spot where their location is weak.

Low level Light Weight 2D Radar - BHARANI: Low level Light Weight L-Band 2D Radar is a light weight, battery powered and compact sensor which provides 2D surveillance solution to alert Army Air Defence Weapon Systems mainly in mountainous terrain against hostile aerial targets like UAVs, RPVs, helicopters and fixed wing aircraft flying at low and medium altitudes. The radar can be transported by vehicles, animal transport or group of men or as helislung loads. It can be dismantled into packages to facilitate quick installation and re-location in mountainous terrain. It will act as an early warner to air defence weapon systems employed to provide protection to vulnerable areas or vulnerable points.

The system consists of radar, Commander Display Unit (CDU) and messaging unit Target Designation Unit (TDU) and Target Data Receivers (TDR). One radar can service upto 10 TDRs using existing combat radio resources/ network. The CDU can be located upto 750m from the radar. The radar with modular architecture, advanced ECCM features, ruggedness as per Mil standards can be operated in varied conditions including extreme climatic and geographical conditions and in battle field situations, especially offensive EW environment. The radar detects and tracks short range air-to-ground threats with a high probability of detection. The radar has an integrated IFF that can detect, confirm, classify and attain IFF status on every target in the battle space under surveillance.

Singha wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/thu ... rusion.jpg

pic from newpaper showing the camp. its backed by a high ridge.