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Rishi Bagree
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Interesting Time Line #Article370

g.sarkar wrote:

abhijitm wrote:X posting
I am bit confused. Is the article already repealed or the resolution is tabled? Does it require 2/3rd votes in both the houses?

Me too. All my life I was told that the removal of article 370 needed an amendment of Constitution. I remember when Mrs. Gandhi abolished the privy purse back in 1971 by amending the constitution. A very cumbersome process and possible only if one party had absolute majority, which she did. Hence, it was not possible to be done. Now, it seems that the article 370 was provisional and did not need all that stuff. I am sure this will be discussed in the news papers shortly.
Gautam

Shaktimaan wrote:I hate to be the contrarian during this time of apparent jubilation, but I don't see how this bifurcation solves anything .

The basic problem of religious radicalization is not solved. Pakistan is still right next door.

A negotiated settlement with the Pakis as a stakeholder would be a far longer lasting solution than more soldiers and guns. I'm saying this with full awareness as a responsible member of this forum.

abhijitm wrote:X posting

I am bit confused. Is the article already repealed or the resolution is tabled? Does it require 2/3rd votes in both the houses?

Shaktimaan wrote:I hate to be the contrarian during this time of apparent jubilation, but I don't see how this bifurcation solves anything .

The basic problem of religious radicalization is not solved. Pakistan is still right next door.

A negotiated settlement with the Pakis as a stakeholder would be a far longer lasting solution than more soldiers and guns. I'm saying this with full awareness as a responsible member of this forum.

Tehseen Poonawalla
@tehseenp
Whatever the govt of India has done, it's done! Let's congratulate
@PMOIndia

@HMOIndia
& now reach out to the #Kashmiris .
Jammu & Kashmir now UT with a legislature
Ladak UT without legislature.
#Article370 scrapped.
Remember the #Kashmiris are our fellow citizens

The resolution said the President, on the recommendation of the Parliament, is pleased to declare that, as from August 5, 2019, all clauses of the said article 370 shall cease to be operative except clause (1).
Shah also moved the Jammu and Kashmir (Reorganisation) Bill, that converted the state into a Union Territory with legislature, and hived off Ladakh region into another Union Territory without legislature.
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Shortly after the Home Minister tabled these documents, President Ram Nath Kovind came out with a notification -- The Constitution (Application to Jammu and Kashmir) Order, 2019 that will come into force immediately.

manjgu wrote:bifurcation solves many but not all problems. 1) ladhak will develop more rapidly now with more funds, quicker decision making and being free from srinagars overbearing control. All kinds of kashmiri chuts come to ladhak to inspect and order 2) jammu and kashmir as UT means LG will have lot of say in administration ..most notably police will be under LG. The previous CM's compromised the police and thus the anti terrorism ops 3) annuling 35A means demographics of J&K will change and with that delimitation etc. the CG will shift towards Jammu in medium to long term. 4) question of infiltration , terrorism will persist and will need more resolute action. But this is a HUGE step

siqir wrote:so the parliament is sending recommendation to president and not amending constitution

manjgu wrote:bifurcation solves many but not all problems. 1) ladhak will develop more rapidly now with more funds, quicker decision making and being free from srinagars overbearing control. All kinds of kashmiri chuts come to ladhak to inspect and order 2) jammu and kashmir as UT means LG will have lot of say in administration ..most notably police will be under LG. The previous CM's compromised the police and thus the anti terrorism ops 3) annuling 35A means demographics of J&K will change and with that delimitation etc. the CG will shift towards Jammu in medium to long term. 4) question of infiltration , terrorism will persist and will need more resolute action. But this is a HUGE step

Arvind Kejriwal
@ArvindKejriwal
We support the govt on its decisions on J & K. We hope this will bring peace and development in the state.

ArjunPandit wrote:will there be any assembly? delhi is a special case..not all UTs have assemblies...

ArjunPandit wrote:will there be any assembly? delhi is a special case..not all UTs have assemblies...

Anujan wrote:They are following the Pondicherry model as far as I can tell. So yes JK will have an assembly

khan wrote:

Shaktimaan wrote:I hate to be the contrarian during this time of apparent jubilation, but I don't see how this bifurcation solves anything .

The basic problem of religious radicalization is not solved. Pakistan is still right next door.

A negotiated settlement with the Pakis as a stakeholder would be a far longer lasting solution than more soldiers and guns. I'm saying this with full awareness as a responsible member of this forum.

I agree. I don’t see what this can change in the short term.

The “Kashmir problems” remain & now there is more opposition from erstwhile GOI allies to GOI for running roughshod over the Constitution.

In the longer term, there might be value, if conditions can be improved to the point where outsiders feel comfortable buying property & settling in Kashmir - it will create a less insular, more patriotic population base (not holding my breath for this, given how the Pundits & Sikhs were driven out).

1 370. Temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Constitution,—

(a) the provisions of article 238 shall not apply now in relation to the state of Jammu and Kashmir;[a]
(b) the power of Parliament to make laws for the said state shall be limited to—

(i) those matters in the Union List and the Concurrent List which, in consultation with the Government of the State, are declared by the President to correspond to matters specified in the Instrument of Accession governing the accession of the State to the Dominion of India as the matters with respect to which the Dominion Legislature may make laws for that State; and
(ii) such other matters in the said Lists as, with the concurrence of the Government of the State, the President may by order specify.

Explanation: For the purposes of this article, the Government of the State means the person for the time being recognised by the President as the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir acting on the advice of the Council of Ministers for the time being in office under the Maharaja’s Proclamation dated the fifth day of March, 1948

(c) the provisions of article 1 and of this article shall apply in relation to that State;
(d) such of the other provisions of this Constitution shall apply in relation to that State subject to such exceptions and modifications as the President may by order specify:
Provided that no such order which relates to the matters specified in the Instrument of Accession of the State referred to in paragraph (i) of sub-clause (b) shall be issued except in consultation with the Government of the State:
Provided further that no such order which relates to matters other than those referred to in the last preceding proviso shall be issued except with the concurrence of that Government.

(2) If the concurrence of the Government of the State referred to in paragraph (ii) of sub-clause (b) of clause (1) or in the second provision to sub-clause (d) of that clause be given before the Constituent Assembly for the purpose of framing the Constitution of the State is convened, it shall be placed before such Assembly for such decision as it may take thereon.

(3) Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of this article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may specify:
Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.[11]

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1 In exercise of the powers conferred by this article the President, on the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, declared that, as from the 17th day of November, 1952, the said art. 370 shall be operative with the modification thatfor the Explanation in cl. (1) thereof, the following Explanation is substituted, namely:—

“Explanation.—For the purposes of this article, the Government of the State means the person for the time being recognised by the President on the recommendation of the Legislative Assembly of the State as the *Sadar-I-Riyasat of Jammu and Kashmir, acting on the advice of the Council of Ministers of the State for the time being in office.”. (Ministry of Law Order No. C.O. 44, dated the 15th November, 1952).
*Now “Governor”.

1. The Constituent Assembly of the State does not exist as of today. Its last sitting was in 1952.
2. The State itself was the one appointed by the Maharaja and does not exist.
3. This was a temporary provision and is not meant to be permanent.

The Activist, #JaiShriRam, #HinduCharter
@AhmAsmiYodha
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Speed of light explained

Announcement at 11:27
President signed 11:28
Notification published 11:29
All over social media 11:30

Congratulations India

#370Gone #370ख़त्म

Kashi wrote:

Anujan wrote:They are following the Pondicherry model as far as I can tell. So yes JK will have an assembly

But Ladakh will be a fully centrally administered UT with no assembly. I wonder why two different models were selected for the newly-born UTs.

manjgu wrote:1) jammu is being kept to ensure demographics can change in new J&K UT. 2) because J&K is too populous/big not to have assembly

Manu Pubby @manupubby
Delimitation exercise by the Election Commission to also take place for the Union Territory of Jammu and Kashmir.

Seats in the legislative assembly to increase from 107 to 114. Reservations for SC/ST to be included.

UT will follow the Puducherry model.

manjgu wrote:the problem with india is we are like bhole baba...we dont know our own power... we dont have to be scared of anybody..we are a N power with a powerful fauj... we should be ready to crush our enemies. piddly being like mufti, abdullah, mirawiz etc need to handled like pigs and taken care of accordingly.

habal wrote: police in union territory directly comes under ministry of home. So state lost police control.