The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Mar 2016 07:07

the East turkestan islamic movement is the one which has resettled 1000s of Uighurs into north Idlib around jisr al shoghour...for a little while before Cheen attacked and took over, Xinjiang was a independent nation East turkestan.
though the uighurs are not of turkic stock going by looks, they are united under the Qaum.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Mar 2016 07:08

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Mar 2016 07:11

In 2004, it took more than 13,000 highly trained troops, primarily Americans, almost two months to retake and clear Falluja of about 3,000 insurgents in the fiercest fight of the Iraq war. Ninety-five American service members died, and more than 560 were wounded.

And as we well remember, Fallujah was smoking rubble by the time it was liberated. Probably thousands of civilian casualties. No screaming from the present Protectors of Syrian Civilians. There's a reason why they call it a Civil War: the casualties are mostly civilians.

On the topic of UAVs with hellfire equivalents: on all those convoys, if a UAV spots a convoy, one hellfire on the lead vehicle and one on the last vehicle, would cause enough of a delay to allow a flight of, say, 4 fighter-bombers to pay a more leisurely and thorough visit. Followed maybe by a few attack helicopters/ AC-130 type gunships or A-10s.

Wonder why we don't hear of Gen. Vodkov adopting such kind tactics. They could do a Kuwait Highway massacre every day.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Mar 2016 08:08

>> if a UAV spots a convoy, one hellfire on the lead vehicle and one on the last vehicle

possible in narrow mountain roads of yemen, impossible in syria where all of the desert & countryside is driveable by technicals. they will just disperse across the compass.

in fallujah there were I think 2 major battles .... even 155mm artillery was used ... some say without authorization by higher ups.

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Mar 2016 08:25

Singha wrote: though the uighurs are not of turkic stock going by looks, they are united under the Qaum.

that is the original turkic look.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 09 Mar 2016 08:57

Tibetistan? West Mongolistan? and separate colored AP. Who drew this map. Chopped ears an everything. If turkistan and tibetistan are a reality why is mallustan still without its ears? Are turkistanis claiming the ladakhi ears?

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Mar 2016 12:49

ISIS Imploding: Defections and Uprisings Hit Jihadist HQ Raqqa, Dozens Dead

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/03/07/i ... zens-dead/

VIdeo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYauAT1CwT8
"ISIS Hasbah emir Abdel Rahman "Abo Faysal" was assassinated by unknown gunmen in Tabqa, Raqqa countryside"

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/ ... 5611239424

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Mar 2016 12:53

This is impressive number, 150 villages reconciled with the Syrian Government in Hama alone. Worth watching the 30 secs video.

maps.are.constantly going to have be updated in this fluid situation.

https://twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/707007273864794112

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Mar 2016 12:56

Is this the reason behind recent hostility towards Lebanon ?

IsraelAF realized, very recently, while flying over Hezbollah, an anti-air missile locked on a jet, hence the recent reaction"

https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/707191633389993984

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Mar 2016 13:12

Not every group in Syria is hyper excited with kurds taking over new.regions hitherto without any kurd influence in past.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-/2016 ... istianity/

Kurds recently attacked Assyrian checkpoints in Qamishli to prevent the Assyrians from defending their areas and simultaneously to assert their occupation over more Syrian lands.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 Mar 2016 16:23

Main threats to Russia’s T-90 in Syria

Viktor Murakhovsky, Editor-in-chief of the Arsenal Otechestva magazine, weapons expert and former tank driver discloses what is being fired at tanks in Syria, who is supplying these weapons and what the new Russian tanks' strengths and weaknesses are.

A video posted by Syrian militants showing a TOW missile hitting a Russian-made T-90 tank without destroying it has been gaining popularity on the internet. So how are Russian-made tanks on the field in Syria coping with the threat posed by militant groups?

Judging by the videos posted online, the impression one gets is that anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) are being used against the Syrian government army’s tanks, as well as the militants' tanks. The militants do not have many tanks, but nevertheless they appear on the battlefield.

Many of the tanks in operation in Syria are being destroyed in urban battles by regular rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs).

Syrian anti-tank weapons

The variety of ATGMs and RPGs used in Syria is huge. There are the Soviet-produced Fagot and Konkurs models and the more modern Kornet units that are used by government forces. The American TOW-2As, which have been supplied to the “moderate” opposition, are also given by Turkey and even Qatar to the Islamic groups they control.

There are also Chinese and Iranian ATGMs and RPGs, which are used by militants and government forces, as well as by the Kurds. During the civil war, each side seized the weapons of the enemy, including anti-tank artillery.

The American TOWs have certainly become the most dangerous counter for Syrian tanks. The modern TOW-2A modification, supplied to many countries, is almost always used.

It was a TOW-2A that destroyed a damaged Russian Mi-8 helicopter as it was on the ground rescuing the pilot of the Su-24 plane shot down by the Turkish air force on November 24. The missile can be fired at any target moving at a low lateral speed, including low-flying helicopters and any ground equipment.

The result of being hit on the side or in the rear by such a missile is inevitable: No tank in the world can withstand the force of a modern ATGM.

How was the Russian T-90 in the video damaged?

What is actually seen on the online video of the T-90 being hit? We see a 1992 T-90 tank with a cast tower. Its production year is apparent because it has the Shtora opto-electronic suppression system (projectors visible on both sides of the cannon) and by the shape of the gunner's hatch. The tank is equipped with the Contact-5 dynamic defence system and is covered with composite armour protection with reflecting plates. We see that as the left "jaw" was hit by the TOW-2A missile the dynamic defence was activated and it appears that the main armour was not penetrated.

The tank crew was neglectful of responsibilities during battle: The hatches were open and the Shtora system was turned off. As a result of the explosion of the 6 kg warhead, it was natural that the shock wave leaked into the open hatch and the shell-shocked gunner jumped out of the tank.

Soviet and Russian tanks were constructed to withstand most anti-tank weapons from any azimuth, more or less 30 degrees from the machine's axis.

A lone tank is an easy target for a missile

The tactics of the crew leave much to be desired. Tanks must be used as part of a subdivision and in close interaction with the infantry. A lone tank, especially one that is not moving, is an easy target for a missile.

The action took place in the Sheikh-Akil settlement northwest of Aleppo, where the "Mountain Falcons of Zawiya" group, part of the 5th corps of the Free Syrian Army, is fighting. It was a reconnaissance battle conducted by the Hazaras and Afghan Shiites, who tried to occupy Sheikh-Akil but were forced to retreat.

The videos taken of the settlement on that day do not show the damaged T-90 tank. There is footage, however, of militants retreating with their equipment, which means that either the tank had left on its own or was abandoned. I believe that the tank maintained its mobility and the crew survived.

Perhaps the tank's sights were damaged. In general, it is the 1992 T-90 tanks that are fighting in Syria, but the 2004 T-90A tanks are also present.

There will be no breakthrough in the war because of the new technology, such as the T-90 or the Su-35. But the effectiveness of ground combat operations can significantly increase if the tanks are used correctly: in close interaction with the infantry, artillery and aviation, and directed towards the concentration of the main efforts, not alone but en masse.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Mar 2016 18:26

he speaks correctly on the use of tanks , but nobody in syria has many tanks and none know how to use in the combined arms he speaks of. the Assad govt also lost a lot of tanks trying to use them in urban areas without infantry support to RPG type weapons.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Mar 2016 18:44

Isn't that the purpose of the machine gun in the turret? To sweep away the RPG-wielders etc?
The old Vodka-Courier processions used to just have tanks firing away into the houses on either side as they went down the streets in Berlin and then in BudaPest and Prague. If you were an RPG-wielder, you knew you had second to live before the gunfire reached you, so maybe a swift downhill ski was better. Besides, they did not have RPGs, only Molotov cocktail.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Mar 2016 19:02

real scenes from the battle of berlin, including marshal georgy zhukov and a soldier from Gen Chuikovs division probably putting up the hammer and sickle flag atop the shattered reich chancery building....even with 1000s of artillery and tactical air support it was a bitterly fought battle with heavy casualties

old men and children given panzerfausts and told to go die under soviet guns to give hitler a precious few more days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq7iAsl ... b4wmB1uPgg

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 Mar 2016 19:04

Singha , The most common threat to Tanks in Syria are the ATGM Fagot , Tow , Konkurs and standard RPG .....which was also the common threat to tanks in Iraq when US army was deployed there.

SAA itself lost lot of tanks against ISIS and other rebels too many videos out there ........In any case the employment of tanks against ATGM itself needs tactics as similar Deployment by GCC/Saudi in Yemen has shown even against modern tank has its consequences.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Mar 2016 19:09

zhukovs barrage on the seelow heights ... 500,000 shells in 30 mins to a depth of 5 miles...
yet still the german fortifications on zeelow heights held firm

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 09 Mar 2016 19:10

Saudi arabia seeking $100 billion loan from international banks as budget deficit mounts up

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Mar 2016 19:14

waging war on this scale can only be imagined at amercan or soviet levels of production

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Mar 2016 20:19

US claims to have attacked ISIS chemical weapon production facilities.
Any report from the Re-liable Truth? Whom did they hit, and did they break many test-tubes? Or bombed Kurdish villages instead?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 09 Mar 2016 20:39

Singha wrote:waging war on this scale can only be imagined at amercan or soviet levels of production

Never forget that this is English narrative where truth is taken for granted. Museum in Berlin and Moscow show the different picture. Will post Russian version soon.

Some of the western documentaries show how scary it was for Berliners. Pale weak well dressed ladies walking in the street afraid of Ivans. They fail to show favorite game SS played in occupied USSR. Mother was asked to shoot her husband to save life of kids. Husband dies and falls in pit. Then they ask to shoot eldest son to save life of younger one. and so on. All this time the smartly dressed German pigs are laughing. When Russians occupied Berlin they made sure that every family gets daily free ration of milk and bread. So when one watch WWII documentaries one should be remember that it is a mere wishful thinking of British (not Western). Even German documentaries are closer to the truth when it comes to Russia

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Mar 2016 21:58

the russians reportedly took their revenge well before they reached berlin in terms of pillage/rape in eastern part of germany. 1st line units were too busy moving ahead and fighting, the 2nd tier follow-on garrison level troops mostly did it....being a poorer country they were plenty pissed to see neat german villages with rose gardens and indoor bathrooms vs their war shattered country and wooden huts and carried off whatever they felt like.

probably a lot less than the severe murder and atrocities of the SS in ukraine, belarus and russia.

the americans also allegedly let some 600K german soldiers starve and freeze to death in open air stockades during the winter of 1945...

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 09 Mar 2016 22:28

Now why would a rat be tended to - like this?

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TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 09 Mar 2016 22:48

the German soldiers very much wanted to be captured by western forces at the end of the war.

my father-in-law who made the campaign from d-day to surrender (3rd US army George Patton, artillery), at the end of the war guarded 1,000's of children in uniform in POW camp after the war was over. the kids sent him letters from Germany for many years afterwards thanking him and telling him how they were doing (getting married, etc.).

unfortunately a lot of children never got a chance to surrender at the end of the war because they were shot while trying to surrender. enemy sniping was just too much and the US was losing a lot of soldiers to snipers. a major problem....

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 09 Mar 2016 22:49

I have recently come to the opinion that this front is a manufactured charade, even given the various conspiracy nuts and exposes. The whole thing is for LoLs and to keep the socoety distracted from goings on domestically. Inhabitants of theatres be damned. I also dont see when turkey gets its due and deserved.

The millions that have made it to oiurope will a. change its nature permanently, b. fuel resentment by the natives. c. there is turkey and jordan with another million or two migrants each. It is a long term project.

Also the shipped awashment previously reported found by the australian puppies was likely from eyeran to the houthis. That one is stalemated too.

There is neuj the attenshun is moving to holy korea next. This time china is pretending to break up with them. Confiscate their ships and what not. Lets see when twitter starts reporting on holey korean ships escaping fusilades to their behinds.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 09 Mar 2016 22:55

TSJones wrote:the German soldiers very much wanted to be captured by western forces at the end of the war.

my father-in-law who made the campaign from d-day to surrender (3rd US army George Patton, artillery), at the end of the war guarded 1,000's of children in uniform in POW camp after the war was over. the kids sent him letters from Germany for many years afterwards thanking him and telling him how they were doing (getting married, etc.).

unfortunately a lot of children never got a chance to surrender at the end of the war because they were shot while trying to surrender. enemy sniping was just too much and the US was losing a lot of soldiers to snipers. a major problem....

TSJ,

There is no reason to believe people in the present are more or less evil than in the past. Or that the brown skinned bakistani rapists of pangladesh were less martial than conscripted TFTA of ww2. Anecdotal narration is not history at all, it is faith and religion. Unfortunately, the holocaust narrative suits so many that there will never be any sort of truth and reconciliation of facts or figures. Clearly the japanese front isnt seeing any sort of truth telling , hoopla over shrine visits, "atomic" NOT nukular weapons, "rapes in xxx, china", comfort wimmens of korea, etc. Why should the western front be different?

There will alawys be exceptions, and anecdotes are nearly always incomplete.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 09 Mar 2016 22:56

deejay wrote:Now why would a rat be tended to - like this?

True. I would be searching for my hacksaw or a chainsaw.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Mar 2016 23:34

TSJones wrote:the German soldiers very much wanted to be captured by western forces at the end of the war.

my father-in-law who made the campaign from d-day to surrender (3rd US army George Patton, artillery), at the end of the war guarded 1,000's of children in uniform in POW camp after the war was over. the kids sent him letters from Germany for many years afterwards thanking him and telling him how they were doing (getting married, etc.).

unfortunately a lot of children never got a chance to surrender at the end of the war because they were shot while trying to surrender. enemy sniping was just too much and the US was losing a lot of soldiers to snipers. a major problem....

True that remark about German snipers. US troops were particularly upset about these snipers shooting and running out of ammo and surrendering as POWs. Got rough justice meted out in many cases.

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 10 Mar 2016 01:04

The real war was fought in the east. Americans and British were side business. No one wanted to be sent to the eastern front.
Of course the germans wanted to surrender to the western blokes rather than their real `enemies`. Why would they want to go to Siberia anyway?!

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 10 Mar 2016 02:36

when you have to put one side down in order to praise the other side, it generally means BS is being spread......you should then don your chest waders......

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 Mar 2016 02:49

of nearly 400,000 german pows on the eastern front, only about 5,000 made it back home, and that too in the mid 50's

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Mar 2016 06:32

Al Qaeda #3 Deja Vu

Confirmation is yet to come that the airstrike on 4 March that targeted his vehicle was successful. Russian media have reported his death several times over the past few years but each time the news has turned out to be false.
Batirashvili, despite his nickname, has a very different biography to the vast majority of Chechens fighting in Syria. Ethnically he is a Kist, a Chechen subgroup from the other side of the Caucasus mountains in Georgia.
While many of the Chechens in Syria are either veterans of the independence wars against Russia or young Muslims radicalised in the current authoritarian climate in the North Caucasus, Batirashvili previously served in the US-trained Georgian army.
He fought with the Georgians during the brief war with Russia in 2008 but was discharged after contracting tuberculosis and later jailed for gun-running. It is believed he was radicalised during his time in prison and at some point in 2012 he is thought to have arrived in Syria.
Batirashvili’s father told Georgian television from his home village in the Pankisi Gorge on Wednesday that he had received no information about the death of his son. He said he had not spoken to him for a long time.
Georgia’s defence minister, Tina Khidasheli, told journalists on Wednesday that she had received information from the Pentagon about the strike against Shishani but that for now his death had not been confirmed.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Mar 2016 06:35

Gen. Vodkov is not as naive as one might believe...

Murder in Istanbul: Kremlin's hand suspected in shooting of Chechen
The shooting in broad daylight of Abdulvakhid Edelgireyev – a key Chechen Islamist figure who fought with an al-Qaida affiliate in Syria – is the latest in a series of audacious killings of enemies of the Russian state in the Turkish city.
Abdulvakhid Edelgireyev survived for years hiding in the Chechen mountains, launching attacks on Russian security forces and evading capture. He survived the battlefields of Syria, and those of east Ukraine. But in November his life came to an abrupt end in a flurry of bullets: he was shot dead in broad daylight in Istanbul as he embarked on a shopping trip with his three-year-old niece.
Edelgireyev and his niece walked out of their apartment block in Kayasehir, a far-flung suburb of nondescript new towers, shortly before 2pm on 1 November. The 32-year-old Chechen sat the girl in the passenger seat of his car, and was about to start the engine when a white car rammed into them from behind, closing him in. Pushing his niece on to the floor under the seat, Edelgireyev scrambled out and started running. One of the assassins gave chase, firing at him, and he crumpled to the ground. When paramedics arrived a few minutes later he was already dead, in a pool of blood. He had been shot five times.

Gen. Vodkov is going soft in his old age? Note that they could have just put an RPG into the car and blown up the terrorist and the little girl, no risk at all. But they took the trouble to chase him away from the car, run on foot in broad daylight in a hostile capital, and THEN shoot the rat only. THAT's bravery.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Mar 2016 07:15

Lalmohan wrote:of nearly 400,000 german pows on the eastern front, only about 5,000 made it back home, and that too in the mid 50's

germany lost most of her young manpower in the war permanently, leaving only children, women and old.

how did they recover their old tftaness within 10 years ? entire technology bases were wiped out.

UK the supposed victor had austerity measures and high prices that led much of its elite to decamp to australia, canada and usa where the jobs and living were much easier.

japan atleast did not suffer that much damage to its homeland and did not have so many casualties.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Mar 2016 08:06

And in the end the Pakis took over Britainistan, Germanistan and Phrogistan. Pakistan Uber Alles! AoA!

japan atleast did not suffer that much damage to its homeland and did not have so many casualties.

Are you sure? I think pretty-much ALL of the Japanese armed forces that went abroad, died there. Haven't heard of the Americans being too keen on taking and feeding Japanese POWs. The Chinese probably didn't feel too kind towards them, nor did the Koreans though they were in no position to do much about it. The Japanese armies that came into Phillippines, New Guinea, Vietnam, Thailand, Burma and Malaya probably did not have a way to return, so most must have died there. The Navy and Air Force were utterly destroyed, all killed. Okinawa was like a 100% wipeout. And most Japanese industrial centers and Tokio were firebombed to smoking ruins, except for Hiroshima and Nagasaki which were saved for the special spectacular finale. Since houses were mostly made of wood, I think entire cities must have been wiped out with the firebombing.

The only camps I have heard about for Japanese prisoners during WW2 were for the American citizens of Japanese descent, who were robbed of everything by their kind compatriots, even as their sons were dying in large numbers in Italy etc on the frontlines for the US of A.

I hope KSA, Turkey and Quatar end up somewhat like the above.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Mar 2016 08:20

Syrian Kurds accuse Turkey of aiding sarin gas delivery to rebels after fresh chemical attacks

Published time: 10 Mar, 2016 01:09
Edited time: 10 Mar, 2016 02:18
In an interview with RT, a spokesman for the Kurdish YPG militia accused Turkey of providing a clear transit route for the chemical weapons that were deployed against them near the city of Aleppo on Tuesday.
READ MORE: ISIS shelled Kurdish-controlled Iraq village with 'poisonous substances' – governor
Syrian anti-government militants “took advantage of the ceasefire” to launch attacks against a Kurdish-controlled area near Aleppo in northern Syria, Redur Xelil told RT. The attackers targeted a civilian district of what was once Syria’s biggest city, and has since become a key battleground. According to Xelil, the shells emitted an “unnatural smell” and “yellow smoke” upon impact, indicating that chemical weapons were involved.
“Our sources inside the rebel groups have confirmed that toxic substances were used. We also have verified information that sarin gas was delivered to them from Turkey. All signs point to the fact that these factions were using banned weapons, but we cannot access the launching area, as it is located on the front between the Turkish and rebel forces,” Xelil told RT by Skype from Rojava in Syria.
Kurdish deputies in the Turkish parliament have previously accused Ankara of supplying Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and other jihadist groups inside Syria with chemical weapons, which are used both in their fight against the Syrian government and to pin responsibility for their deployment on the regime of President Bashar Assad.
Tuesday’s attack, which also involved phosphorus, did not result in any severe casualties.
“This attack was a failure, but this doesn’t mean that there won’t be another one. We are convinced the enemy has improvised shells containing phosphorus and sarin gas,” said Xelil.
READ MORE: Who’s behind alleged Aleppo chemical weapons attack?
Last month, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) accused IS of using chemical weapons against Kurdish forces throughout 2015. Reports emerged on Wednesday revealing that the jihadist group had launched a new chemical attack on the Kurdish village of Zaza in northern Iraq, in which more than 40 civilians suffered chemical burns and lung damage.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 10 Mar 2016 09:01

The only camps I have heard about for Japanese prisoners during WW2 were for the American citizens of Japanese descent, who were robbed of everything by their kind compatriots, even as their sons were dying in large numbers in Italy etc on the frontlines for the US of A.

my close friend,s father was one of them. very painful and humiliating episode. The father later became a very successful businessman and son is a surgeon in NY.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 10 Mar 2016 09:04

japan atleast did not suffer that much damage to its homeland and did not have so many casualties.

Singha over 6 million Japanese died in the war, that is quite a lot.