2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 22 Mar 2021 17:46

I find the numbers 2, 1.5 and 1 lakh too less to believe. A close relative folded his modest restaurant and bar in the outskirts of Pune because the monthly commissions were in excess of 4L. This is Mumbai we are talking about.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 17:51

Tanaji wrote:Nachiketji, I agree... in the 90s there used to be articles hailing Daya Nayak, Pradeep Sharma etc as heroes. There used to be a competition as to who has the higher numbers of informants not to mention kills. As someone said, in the end it went to the level of cops bumping of people belonging to a particular gang at behest of another gang.

Julio Ribeiro has refused to head a committee that would investigate this mess citing his age of 92. If you recall Pawar had asked for Ribeiro as he is “respected”

julio ribeiro bhi koi doodh ke dhule nahin

skeletons in this aged cupboard reach into the mafia family via the FCRA and BIF cabals

why else would other aged players ask for him, in particular, to head up the inquiry committee........

he is protecting whatever little reputation that he thinks he has left after he was outed as a religious bigot in uniform, absolutely the worst kind of scum there is

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 22 Mar 2021 17:51

Tanaji wrote:Nachiketji, I agree... in the 90s there used to be articles hailing Daya Nayak, Pradeep Sharma etc as heroes. There used to be a competition as to who has the higher numbers of informants not to mention kills. As someone said, in the end it went to the level of cops bumping of people belonging to a particular gang at behest of another gang.

Yeah I remember those articles well and have to admit I used to agree with them. People remembered the rampant gang violence of the 80's and preferred the situation where the dons who had once ruled the city were running scared for their lives. They knew there was no chance of these guys getting tried and convicted in a court of law so they looked to the encounter specialists as their saviors. But of course, these men were not cops. They were not much better than the mafia enforcers whom they gunned down. But as long as they were clearing the streets of underworld scum, people did not really mind if they were dirty.

Julio Ribeiro has refused to head a committee that would investigate this mess citing his age of 92. If you recall Pawar had asked for Ribeiro as he is “respected”

Lol, Ribeiro is too experienced an operator to get anywhere near this royal mess.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 22 Mar 2021 17:54

sajo wrote:I find the numbers 2, 1.5 and 1 lakh too less to believe. A close relative folded his modest restaurant and bar in the outskirts of Pune because the monthly commissions were in excess of 4L. This is Mumbai we are talking about.

This is per month. Plus remember the other haftas are going on as well to excise, health, fire etc.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 22 Mar 2021 17:56

RajeevK wrote:How come someone like Vaze who is extorting money from hotels/restaurants/bars end up extorting Ambani as well? It takes a lot of institutional backing, manpower and ingenuity to implement such an extortion attempt.

Not only that, but Vaze did it in an unbelievably sloppy manner without even attempting to really cover his own tracks. Now he is not some babe in the woods only just now turning to the dark side. This guy has been dirty for years. Now, suddenly he takes part in this harebrained scheme and becomes this careless? There has to be obviously a lot more to the story.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 22 Mar 2021 17:57

RajeevK wrote:How come someone like Vaze who is extorting money from hotels/restaurants/bars end up extorting Ambani as well? It takes a lot of institutional backing, manpower and ingenuity to implement such an extortion attempt.

This is the Rs. 1 million question isn’t it? Is it Paki level of stupidity or a belief that since the home minister is asking me to do this, no one can touch me? A belief emboldened by the understanding that the cut goes to the CM perhaps?

Or as someone said it is done on purpose for some unknown reason?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 18:04

RajeevK wrote:How come someone like Vaze who is extorting money from hotels/restaurants/bars end up extorting Ambani as well? It takes a lot of institutional backing, manpower and ingenuity to implement such an extortion attempt.

no need to extort such guys.

they, habitually and historically, have always spread their largesse equally, but only with national parties, so as to cover all bets

off late, for the past few years, they have all kept the congis off their list of invitees for happy hour which is why pappu has been reduced to crudely taking names.

no other politico has done/will do this publicly.

very soon, pappu will get the bill for his senseless invective.

smaller parties don't matter to them because they have the help that comes from guys wielding a political sledgehammer

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 18:07

Tanaji wrote:
RajeevK wrote:How come someone like Vaze who is extorting money from hotels/restaurants/bars end up extorting Ambani as well? It takes a lot of institutional backing, manpower and ingenuity to implement such an extortion attempt.
This is the Rs. 1 million question isn’t it? Is it Paki level of stupidity or a belief that since the home minister is asking me to do this, no one can touch me? A belief emboldened by the understanding that the cut goes to the CM perhaps?

Or as someone said it is done on purpose for some unknown reason?

the other guys have a parallel network running out of the same office using another "anil" to set up and manage the logistics and supply chain

it's every party for itself. nobody says "pehele app" in this ecosystem

the way the "resignation" drama is playing out seems to be your anil for my anil so no one can speak against the other and the net net is "hamaam mein sab nange hein'"

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 22 Mar 2021 18:10

IMHO, there are a Billion ways to shakedown a billionaire business by a determined sarkar, starting with facilities/assets/security agency nomination/water/electricity/land permits/excise/customs/labour trouble blah blah blah.
This was as Tanaji-saheb said Paki-level stupidity or extremely deliberate and usage of a high visibility target with high visibility means to draw attention to MVA's debauchery which would mean end of career for certain individuals either on the Pulis or the MVA side.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 22 Mar 2021 18:16

You don't get to be as rich and powerful as mota bhai in India without keeping politicians of all hues happy. While the opposition was blaming Modi sarkar for being too close to him, mota bhai himself was endorsing Milind Deora of the Congress for his LS seat in 2019 (which he lost). He probably has everyone from Amit Shah to Sonia Gandhi on speed dial. No one with any sense would actually believe they can successfully extort a person like him.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 22 Mar 2021 18:16

Ambani probably has the prime minister, ex-PMs, and every current and former cabinet ministers number on his speed dial. He has 2 choppers parked on top of his house to take him around so its not like he takes strolls on the street that a car filled with igniter less gelatin sticks would scare him. Vaze likely had it to his neck with the pressure from Anil Deshmukh to collect money, he forcefully took a car from some poor chap he was already harassing , and left it outside Ambani's house with the intention of getting caught so he can pull the whole damn super structure down with him.

Why Ambani and not someone else ? Maybe it was logistically easier and it will trigger a reaction from the center immediately. Yes, he could have left the scorpio outside Amitabh Bacchan's house too but i dont think the reaction would have been the same. The only real victim in this entire murky affair is poor Munsukh Hiren.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 18:18

sajo wrote:IMHO, there are a Billion ways to shakedown a billionaire business by a determined sarkar, starting with facilities/assets/security agency nomination/water/electricity/land permits/excise/customs/labour trouble blah blah blah.
This was as Tanaji-saheb said this is Paki-level stupidity or extremely deliberate and usage of a high visibility target with high visibility means to draw attention to MVA's debauchery which would mean end of career for certain individuals either on the Pulis or the MVA side.

no need to shake down these guys.

they feed everyone, including babooze, mantris, patrakars, politicos and NGOs

when the king of good times mallya was operating here, he never knew who was using his many private aircraft. everyone piled on and made merry at his cost.

ditto with the many other big players. At they lowest end of the food chain they provide 24x7 taxis and hotel accommodation with food for patrakars and all this happens on one phone call to a designated number.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 22 Mar 2021 18:31

Ambar wrote: The only real victim in this entire murky affair is poor Munsukh Hiren.

Yes this is the true tragedy here. And now, just as that case was about to be handed over to NIA, Maharashtra ATS has miraculously "solved" his murder. They arrested two people, one of whom is a bookie and the other is Vinayak Shinde, a suspended police constable who is currently out on parole. Why is he on parole? Well he just happened to have been one of several cops convicted in the 2007 fake encounter of Lakhan Bhaiyya, who was Chhota Rajan's aide. I have no doubt in my mind that these two are fall guys to hide the real culprits. The whole structure is rotten to the core.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 18:38

Ambar wrote:Ambani probably has the prime minister, ex-PMs, and every current and former cabinet ministers number on his speed dial. He has 2 choppers parked on top of his house to take him around so its not like he takes strolls on the street that a car filled with igniter less gelatin sticks would scare him. Vaze likely had it to his neck with the pressure from Anil Deshmukh to collect money, he forcefully took a car from some poor chap he was already harassing , and left it outside Ambani's house with the intention of getting caught so he can pull the whole damn super structure down with him.

Why Ambani and not someone else ? Maybe it was logistically easier and it will trigger a reaction from the center immediately. Yes, he could have left the scorpio outside Amitabh Bacchan's house too but i dont think the reaction would have been the same. The only real victim in this entire murky affair is poor Munsukh Hiren.

ambani is a decoy.

vaze is in safe custody of the NIA, away from a malevolent MVA who would have quietened him permanently.

mission accomplished.

As quid pro quo, vaze would have delivered enough dirt on the maha vasooli aghadi for the guys in dilli to put a chokehold on many MAH politicos. That is what dilli wanted. they are not bothered about some piddly 100 or even a 1000 crores

the maha vasooli aghadi foolishly got too overconfident, too complacent, and also too contemptuous because they believed their own pompous sonjay route propaganda.

their position is like that of a pair of street mongrels caught coupling in public. They cannot separate so easily and nor can they hide

so all that nonsense of "I won't resign, you resign", "your guy is a bigger crook", "I will file a case against parambir" is all coming to naught because "cunning" foxes have been outed as mere mongrels and the alliance is being shown in its true colors which is the maha vasooli aghadi.

parambir singh has finessed the maha vasooli aghadi in a way that no babooze has ever managed to finesse a political party. His actions are well thought out and look planned in advance, so one gets a feeling that many would have seen this train wreck coming from a good distance away.

the one guy desperately jockeying for position is raj thackeray because he realizes that his cousins have committed hara kiri and he is rushing in, hoping to fill that vacuum

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 22 Mar 2021 18:43

The problem is, even if Deshmukh resigns along with anyone else he can take with him, that does not mean the govt. will fall because none of the three parties will give up their golden goose. They know very well that after serving up some scapegoats, they can wait for things to quieten down and the media to move on to other matters, after which the loot can continue.

Article in Swarajyamag saying something similar: Why MVA May Survive Even This: Neither Of Congress, NCP, or Shiv Sena Can Afford To Lose Maharashtra

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 18:54

nachiket wrote:The problem is, even if Deshmukh resigns along with anyone else he can take with him, that does not mean the govt. will fall because none of the three parties will give up their golden goose. They know very well that after serving up some scapegoats, they can wait for things to quieten down and the media to move on to other matters, after which the loot can continue.

Article in Swarajyamag saying something similar: Why MVA May Survive Even This: Neither Of Congress, NCP, or Shiv Sena Can Afford To Lose Maharashtra

what will they steal now.... and how will they collect

their names will come out on twitter and whatsapp every day from hotel and dance bar owners putting out tweets from hundreds of accounts. Lots of owners will simply refuse to pay.

Who will pressurize them, the maha vasooli aghadi, right... All cops under watch, all politicos under suspicion and panicked about the coming elections, whenever it does come

like I said the maha vasooli aghadi is now like "a pair of street mongrels caught coupling in public"

the maha vasooli aghadi has gone from being an asset to becoming a toxic liability, in just a few days.

Don't forget that republic teevee now has the open backing of dilli as parambir has proved and dornob will be unstoppable. He alone is enough and has the TRPs and viewership, as well as, the proven ability to slice and dice the maha vasooli aghadi

almost all other presstitutes and media owners are quiet

the maha vasooli aghadi does not need to fall.

Dilli wants/needs them to remain in "power"/"office" because dornob will rip them to shreds every night on his show. The longer they remain, the deeper will be the grave that they are going to be digging for themselves.

pappu has already panicked and the congis will soon run for cover.

that leaves the marathas holding the bag and only one maratha die-nasty will swing.

RajeevK · Post by **RajeevK** » 22 Mar 2021 19:10

chetak wrote: almost all presstitutes and media owners are quiet

They have always been quiet and have never questioned the the secular entities/governments on crimes, bad governance, corruption, etc.
I feel MVA will somehow stick together as it is in the interests of all the parties in the alliance to continue to be in power. Public memory is in any case short and the friendly press is more than willing to jump to new stories to divert from the current controversy.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 22 Mar 2021 19:14

When is Republic Marathi launching? The local media coverage for this fiasco is tame and toned down at best.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 19:34

RajeevK wrote:
chetak wrote: almost all presstitutes and media owners are quiet
They have always been quiet and have never questioned the the secular entities/governments on crimes, bad governance, corruption, etc.
I feel MVA will somehow stick together as it is in the interests of all the parties in the alliance to continue to be in power. Public memory is in any case short and the friendly press is more than willing to jump to new stories to divert from the current controversy.

public memory is short because the presstitutes make sure it is.

they move to other topics in a Goebbelsian inspired way of psyops so the public has new entertainment.

what if republic teevee refuses to move on and rakes it up on a daily basis like they did the sushant singh rajput case and the disha salian case and the bullywood drug mafia nexus.

The courts and the cops and the babooze all know that the maha vasooli aghadi had knowingly foisted false cases against dornob as well as republic teevee. They have been vindicated now, so, how will the maha vasooli aghadi handle it, going forward.

one guy, on his own, managed to bugger the maha vasooli aghadi in such a way that they had to use the state legislature and the pliant speaker to try and defend themselves

they jailed sameet thakker on multiple false cases misusing the might of the state and some hizzonners to keep him in prison by arresting him on multiple charges. what did they do to kangana ranaut

what if kangana ranaut gets feisty again, how will they manage her and hundreds of modi supporters like her and sameet thakker.

the maha vasooli aghadi has lost all respect and very few will now rush to defend them

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 19:38

sajo wrote:When is Republic Marathi launching? The local media coverage for this fiasco is tame and toned down at best.

For MAH no republic marathi is needed.

everyone in the state understands hindi and a vast majority speak it as well, well enough to establish basic communitation.

on republic teevee, dornob rarely uses words of more than two syllables.

his way is simple and straightforward, and it is always the dagger to the heart.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 22 Mar 2021 19:41

No the purpose of Republic Marathi is to give MH focused news, not necessarily because of Marathi/Hindi comprehension issues. Especially in the hinterland which are the INC/NCP strongholds, the tendency is to tune into Marathi news channels only.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 22 Mar 2021 19:42

Pramabir Singh going to SC ... does it matter?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 19:44

RajeevK wrote:
chetak wrote: almost all presstitutes and media owners are quiet
They have always been quiet and have never questioned the the secular entities/governments on crimes, bad governance, corruption, etc.
I feel MVA will somehow stick together as it is in the interests of all the parties in the alliance to continue to be in power. Public memory is in any case short and the friendly press is more than willing to jump to new stories to divert from the current controversy.

Indeed.

but republic alone has more viewership than the combined viewership of almost all other channels and dornob's simultaneous reach is to audiences both in Hindi and in english via separate and hugely popular channels and now via the bangla channel too.

he has no competition at this point in time.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 19:49

vijayk wrote:Pramabir Singh going to SC ... does it matter?

life insurance wise, it definitely matters

he is hedging his bets both against MAH as well as dilli.

when jackals are hunting you, it is always wise to carry an extra loaded weapon because with whom and when the jackal will team up is not predictable

the man has been bathing in the same hamam for decades now

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 22 Mar 2021 19:51

The loyalties of several major Marathi channels like ABP Mazha etc. mostly lie with the NCP/Congress. So expect them to be quiet and try to play this down or attempt to defend the government. MH government in general and baby and senior penguin in particular have already become the darlings of Delhi based leftist media ever since they stole power from the BJP despite their victory. I remember well the glee with which they watched and celebrated as Kangana Ranaut's office was torn down and Arnab arrested and grilled for daring to question the powers that be. It is going to be no different this time. They will try and do everything in their power to shield the MVA govt. and ensure its survival.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 19:57

nachiket wrote:The loyalties of major Marathi channels like ABP Mazha etc. mostly lie with the NCP/Congress. So expect them to be quiet and try to play this down or attempt to defend the government. MH government in general and baby and senior penguin in particular have already become the darlings of Delhi based leftist media ever since they stole power from the BJP despite their victory. I remember well the glee with which they watched and celebrated as Kangana Ranaut's office was torn down and Arnab arrested and grilled for daring to question the powers that be. It is going to be no different this time. They will try and do everything in their power to shield the MVA govt. and ensure its survival.

what will they do now, it has been revealed that their idols have feet of clay and are also thieves to boot. Something that they have always known but studiously avoided acknowledging.

It will be back to gas cylinders, water, sadak, bijli and what not for the ladies while the men down a quarter and sleep it off.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2021 20:04

nachiket wrote:The loyalties of several major Marathi channels like ABP Mazha etc. mostly lie with the NCP/Congress. So expect them to be quiet and try to play this down or attempt to defend the government. MH government in general and baby and senior penguin in particular have already become the darlings of Delhi based leftist media ever since they stole power from the BJP despite their victory. I remember well the glee with which they watched and celebrated as Kangana Ranaut's office was torn down and Arnab arrested and grilled for daring to question the powers that be. It is going to be no different this time. They will try and do everything in their power to shield the MVA govt. and ensure its survival.

the parties like NCP and DMK, the kerala commies and the urdu lot have jehadi media presence and die-nasty interests along with privately owned media assets.

the BJP and RSS have a presence on the ground both in rural and urban MAH.

come election time, many truths will out just in time to convince the fence sitters.

the leftist media has become wary of supporting corrupted politicos, especially after the SM influx.

Let's wait and see how things play out

one guy claims that he has covid and so is out of the media loop at this time.

next, he may get pregnant to avoid the media. such b@!!le$$ wonders

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 22 Mar 2021 21:07

iMac_too @iMac_too

On this day absence of a pro-BJP or at least a neutral Marathi news channel is felt ever than before. The storm created by SM can only be sustained for a long period only if some TV भोंपूs amplify it for some time. Bad tactical error in not investing in one

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 22 Mar 2021 21:44

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0Qt8uZI ... LxXQRsFLTQ
This Tom and Jerry episode reflects MVA fighting (a classmate forwarded it to me)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Mar 2021 22:54

No need for a disclaimer. It's all over WhatsApp!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Mar 2021 22:57

vijayk wrote:Pramabir Singh going to SC ... does it matter?

Yes. It ensures Pawar doesn't suicide him.
Was that so difficult for you to get?

Mansukh Hiren, the Scorpio car owner had hands tied behind his back and cloth stuffed in mouth and Mumbai Police initial report was suicide.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Mar 2021 22:58

N.N. Vohora report should be released soon.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Mar 2021 00:10

meanwhile, back at the ranch...........

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 23 Mar 2021 00:17

That's like discussing the virtues of veganism with 2 wolves. Why do we keep spending our time on this worthless chai-biskoot ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Mar 2021 00:23

Why do we insist on using the western term WOKE when in hindi we’ve we’ve always had a term for these types - CHOOTIYA

via@Iyervval

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 23 Mar 2021 00:36

Mac_too @iMac_too

Events of last 18 months including latest one of Kale Sarai Khan has more or less confirmed that Peaceful community has taken over dark alleys of the national capital & authorities have lost control over it completely. Not a good picture for a "strong govt"

Thinking about this attack by peacefuls in Delhi on Dalits because their girl married a Dalit man!

They have gotten so brazen and so violent that Police are afraid to control them. Is there any plan for future?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 23 Mar 2021 03:08

vijayk wrote:
Mac_too @iMac_too

Events of last 18 months including latest one of Kale Sarai Khan has more or less confirmed that Peaceful community has taken over dark alleys of the national capital & authorities have lost control over it completely. Not a good picture for a "strong govt"
Thinking about this attack by peacefuls in Delhi on Dalits because their girl married a Dalit man!

They have gotten so brazen and so violent that Police are afraid to control them. Is there any plan for future?

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/muslim ... h-marriage

Ground Report: Muslim Woman Marries Dalit Man With Consent; Her Co-Religionists Attack Entire Dalit Basti In Revenge

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Mar 2021 03:13

vijayk wrote:
Mac_too @iMac_too

Events of last 18 months including latest one of Kale Sarai Khan has more or less confirmed that Peaceful community has taken over dark alleys of the national capital & authorities have lost control over it completely. Not a good picture for a "strong govt"
Thinking about this attack by peacefuls in Delhi on Dalits because their girl married a Dalit man!

They have gotten so brazen and so violent that Police are afraid to control them. Is there any plan for future?

khujliwal and the paapis are playing a very dark game here that their BIF masters have tasked them to play.

this is to soften the govt at the center and make sure that any action against the jehadis in dilli is always toned down

he has turned the dilli version of jehadi didi in bengal and is following the same modus operandi to appease and dig in.

It is in dilli the coming violence against the CAA and NRC will be spearheaded.

The farmer's agitation is a trial run and a rehearsal for the BIF, just like shaheenbagh was a trial and rehearsal for the farmer's agitation

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 23 Mar 2021 03:25

Remember around 40000 Rohingyas were settled in Okhla DL alone. This on top of the existing illegal Bangladeshi population and a very large desi peaceful population. What is happening in Delhi will play out in every large Indian city in the years to come. Shaheen Bagh, Jaffrabad etc are borderline no-go area for hindus and cops already.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Mar 2021 04:47

Ambar wrote:Remember around 40000 Rohingyas were settled in Okhla DL alone. This on top of the existing illegal Bangladeshi population and a very large desi peaceful population. What is happening in Delhi will play out in every large Indian city in the years to come. Shaheen Bagh, Jaffrabad etc are borderline no-go area for hindus and cops already.

hence the vehement local and international opposition to the CAA and the NRC

the rohingiyas, specifically, are being trafficked into India by the BIF

no citizenship == no voter id cards and no voting rights