Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 22 Mar 2014 11:57

The AAP mob has clearly personalized this battle - against Modi. So, an interesting experiment would be - if BJP peripherals start attacking Sonia - will AK back off from attacking Modi, as a compromise. I would be, he would.

To take on Narendra Modi in Varanasi, Kejriwal's core team plans to replicate Delhi battle plan

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2014 12:46

maybe all these turkic raiders from outside will be greeted with the contempt they deserve

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Mar 2014 12:57

Anindya wrote:To take on Narendra Modi in Varanasi, Kejriwal's core team plans to replicate Delhi battle plan

Varanasi is not Delhi. They are likely to lose in Delhi also.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 22 Mar 2014 14:22

Will NaMo as PM get rid of Haj subsidy? To me, that is one of the tests that I would judge him by (among many)

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 22 Mar 2014 14:39

Jaswant Singh crying (literally) over not being given his preferred seat.

lol why are these oldies creating so much drama at this late stage.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/u ... te=classic

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 22 Mar 2014 14:48

sunnyP wrote:Jaswant Singh crying (literally) over not being given his preferred seat.

lol why are these oldies creating so much drama at this late stage.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/u ... te=classic

As far as they are concerned, they have given/served the party a lot. This might be the 'mental pain' that they might have in seeing new entrants given preferences.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 22 Mar 2014 14:56

Jaswant Singh has never contested from Barmer. He won Lok Sabha elections from Chittorgarh in Rajasthan in 1991 and 1996, and from Darjeeling in West Bengal in 2009.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Mar 2014 16:51

Old gang is not going to give up. SS is going for outright back stabbing. Now all or nothing for them. They rather see mafia back and they are in the opposition seat enjoying sharing in the loot. People like LKA, MMJ at least deserve respect for their long service and they have not openly done what SS has done. LKA in fact is being egged on by SS and his girl. MMJ almost never did anything (including serving his MP constituency)

Funny to congress saying the NMs BJP does not respects elders.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 22 Mar 2014 17:11

IndraD wrote:
Anindya wrote:To take on Narendra Modi in Varanasi, Kejriwal's core team plans to replicate Delhi battle plan
Varanasi is not Delhi. They are likely to lose in Delhi also.

Good to see fakriwal will start his dharnas here too. Hopefully people will beat him with chappals and he will do a referendum and send himself back to delhi, where he will lose miserably and blame ambani for funding the country to vote for NM.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 22 Mar 2014 17:14

KJoishy wrote:Will NaMo as PM get rid of Haj subsidy? To me, that is one of the tests that I would judge him by (among many)

No. Priority should be to get rid of mujrai - in case people don't know what this is - it is the vehicle through which those who contribute to the hundis of govt run temples are duped because 80-90% of it is redirected to "secular" worship places. This is blatant stealing from temples. The govt should get out of temples to begin with. If not, at least this practice needs to be stopped.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 22 Mar 2014 17:18

SS is pretty stupid. There is no stopping NaMo. She should realize that her bread is buttered with playing nice to NaMo. That way he may give her a portfolio. The way she is behaving, she will be kicked out of the party.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 22 Mar 2014 17:18

Shonu wrote:
KJoishy wrote:Will NaMo as PM get rid of Haj subsidy? To me, that is one of the tests that I would judge him by (among many)
No. Priority should be to get rid of mujrai - in case people don't know what this is - it is the vehicle through which those who contribute to the hundis of govt run temples are duped because 80-90% of it is redirected to "secular" worship places. This is blatant stealing from temples. The govt should get out of temples to begin with. If not, at least this practice needs to be stopped.

I agree with this - this should be done along with freebies to Musalmaans.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 22 Mar 2014 17:36

KJoishy wrote:SS is pretty stupid. There is no stopping NaMo. She should realize that her bread is buttered with playing nice to NaMo. That way he may give her a portfolio. The way she is behaving, she will be kicked out of the party.

She is not stupid.

She is being asked to pay for her loot all these 10 years. She is being literally blackmailed.

It seems she received 100 cr for Telangana vote from Reddy brothers. Money into her account and Reddy got bail.

Do you think MAFIA will leave her alone?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Mar 2014 17:41

KJoishy wrote:SS is pretty stupid. There is no stopping NaMo. She should realize that her bread is buttered with playing nice to NaMo. That way he may give her a portfolio. The way she is behaving, she will be kicked out of the party.

People have short memories, she is ONE of the first people to bring up NaMo's name as a front runner for PM nominee, this when he was still not cleared by SIT was being hounded by one and all for Guj 02.

Everyone is human, and everyone is a politician seeking to get ahead, which is good. However no one is stupid to break the party or hurt parties chances over silly dispute (other than likes of Kalyan Singh and Yeddi) -- even they learn their lessons.

No need to give in to CTs when all available evidence provides that there is no CT.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 22 Mar 2014 18:00

vivek.rao wrote:
KJoishy wrote:SS is pretty stupid. There is no stopping NaMo. She should realize that her bread is buttered with playing nice to NaMo. That way he may give her a portfolio. The way she is behaving, she will be kicked out of the party.

She is not stupid.

She is being asked to pay for her loot all these 10 years. She is being literally blackmailed.

It seems she received 100 cr for Telangana vote from Reddy brothers. Money into her account and Reddy got bail.

Do you think MAFIA will leave her alone?

Have you seen her bank statements?

I'm no fan of hers and think she should be kicked out of the party but unless you have proof it's stupid throwing around such allegations.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Mar 2014 18:03

Sanku wrote: People have short memories, she is ONE of the first people to bring up NaMo's name as a front runner for PM nominee, this when he was still not cleared by SIT was being hounded by one and all for Guj 02.

Everyone is human, and everyone is a politician seeking to get ahead, which is good. However no one is stupid to break the party or hurt parties chances over silly dispute (other than likes of Kalyan Singh and Yeddi) -- even they learn their lessons.

No need to give in to CTs when all available evidence provides that there is no CT.

My takleef with Sushi auntie is not any of the conspiracy theories around her. My disappointment with her is that she is not doing what she can to shore up the party in its hour of need. She should be out on the front lines, leading the party from the front. Instead, she is trying to wrangle a safe seat for herself in Vidisha. IMO, this is very wrong. Sushma can easily win Karnal, Haryana for the BJP - yes, for all the abuse heaped on her by this forum, Sushma has her own upper caste vote in Haryana, quite out of reach of most other BJP leaders. For the uninitiated, Karnal is the `Brahmin' seat (although Brahmins, OBCs and Sonis are all in substantial numbers here) in Haryana. Sushma contested this seat in the late 80s and lost to the extremely formidable, late Chiranji Lal Sharma by a whisker. If Sushma were to contest this seat now, not only would she win it comfortably, but also would she greatly help BJP in quite a few seats. Is it not better for a leader to take a (small) risk in Haryana and help the BJP win 5 more seats, than comfortably settle down in a cushy seat won for her by the karyakartas in MP? It is her refusal to do what she can (and IMO, should) that gives rise to all the conspiracy theories around her.

She has been pilloried about Sreeramulu, Chauthala and Venod Sharma, but in all honesty, she has more problems with the three than Rajnath had with Kalyan or Marandi (so why are we not concocting CTs about that?) - in fact, Chauthala had her beaten up and humiliated during the Meham mayhem fiasco. The problem is that she protests, but has no solution to offer regarding the problems. She throws obstacles to the entry of Chauthala, Venod Sharma and Sreeramulu. Fine - let her contest in Karnal, defeat Venod, show up Chauthala and prove he is past the sell by date. Or why does she not retain touch with Bellary and help the other Valmiki leader, M S Somalingappa (the better leader, by far, IMO, compared to Sreeramulu) to build up a base to counter Sreeramulu? It is her destructive criticism that annoys people.

Arun Jaitley has taken the right step, IMO, contesting from Amritsar. Anant Kumar is fighting his seat in Bangalore South against a formidable Nandan Nilekani. The next step, IMO, is to force Venkaiah to contest from SeemaAndhra, Sushma from Karnal, and Rajnath from Mirzapur or Bhadohi or one of the less secure UP seats (not Lucknow). It is time they earned the right to be called leaders. A leader should be an asset to the party, not a liability as they are choosing to become now.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Mar 2014 18:11

A leader should be an asset to the party, not a liability as they are choosing to become now.

+1 nagesh garu.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 22 Mar 2014 18:20

sunnyP wrote:
vivek.rao wrote:

She is not stupid.

She is being asked to pay for her loot all these 10 years. She is being literally blackmailed.

It seems she received 100 cr for Telangana vote from Reddy brothers. Money into her account and Reddy got bail.

Do you think MAFIA will leave her alone?

Have you seen her bank statements?

I'm no fan of hers and think she should be kicked out of the party but unless you have proof it's stupid throwing around such allegations.

I didn't see. But don't BS me. It is like shooting the messenger.

The whole telugu media, ask any telugu friend and he will repeat it. It was broadcast hundreds of times of in Telugu media.

What she did along with Sonia in Parliament was despicable and destruction of democracy.

In one act, she destroyed BJP in AP and destroyed faith of people in democracy. It was Sonia who did and she aided wonderfully in that. Why?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Mar 2014 18:23

nageshks wrote:
Sanku wrote: People have short memories, she is ONE of the first people to bring up NaMo's name as a front runner for PM nominee, this when he was still not cleared by SIT was being hounded by one and all for Guj 02.

Everyone is human, and everyone is a politician seeking to get ahead, which is good. However no one is stupid to break the party or hurt parties chances over silly dispute (other than likes of Kalyan Singh and Yeddi) -- even they learn their lessons.

No need to give in to CTs when all available evidence provides that there is no CT.
My takleef with Sushi auntie is not any of the conspiracy theories around her. My disappointment with her is that she is not doing what she can to shore up the party in its hour of need. .

I have no issues with the above analysis. I have long held that she should contest Delhi. I would like her to do more, it would be good for her and BJP both.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Mar 2014 18:31

In Surat, even sarees are being wrapped in packaging carrying a potent social message.... merchandizing breaking new ground daily with NM it seems...

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 22 Mar 2014 19:06

Heard that Nitish Kumar's guru ghantal, NK Singh, has dumped him and joined BJP. AFAIK it was NK Singh only who was responsible for Nitish breaking away from BJP in the first place.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 22 Mar 2014 20:16

saravana wrote:
Jaswant Singh has never contested from Barmer. He won Lok Sabha elections from Chittorgarh in Rajasthan in 1991 and 1996, and from Darjeeling in West Bengal in 2009.

Jaswant Singh' father tried hard to convince Jodhpur royals to join Pak in'47.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Mar 2014 20:37

gandharva wrote:
Jaswant Singh' father tried hard to convince Jodhpur royals to join Pak in'47.

Proof ?

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 22 Mar 2014 20:42

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 22 Mar 2014 20:42

Op-ed: On display, Advani's reckless adventurism

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There are those who insist that should the BJP win a sub-optimal number of seats in the general election, it will be easy and inevitable for Advani to become the leader and for Modi to be dumped. Here again the extent of identification with Modi within the party is being underestimated. Other than in the unlikely event of an absolute and total collapse, where is the evidence the BJP is prepared to jettison Modi irrespective of the nature of the May 16 verdict and irrespective of whether it wins 175 seats or 225?

Advani's predicament is not very different from that of the other Dada, Saurav Ganguly, at the last stage of his career. The 2010 Indian Premier League was Ganguly's golden handshake season. Kolkata Knight Riders gave him the captaincy and a free run. When the team lost, KKR expected Ganguly to retire and offered him a mentorship role. Ganguly refused and insisted on playing on; KKR simply dropped him from the squad.

Similarly, the 2009 election was Advani's guru dakshina moment. A gracious and grateful party fought the election under him even though it realised he was past his prime and the campaign was a non-starter. After the defeat, it expected Advani to settle into a mentorship role. Like Ganguly, he felt otherwise. Alas, how angels fall.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 22 Mar 2014 20:53

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Mar 2014 21:28

Sanku wrote:
gandharva wrote:
Jaswant Singh' father tried hard to convince Jodhpur royals to join Pak in'47.
Proof ?

Proof ?

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 22 Mar 2014 21:52

Sanku wrote:
Sanku wrote:
Jaswant Singh' father tried hard to convince Jodhpur royals to join Pak in'47.

Proof ?
Proof ?

Laa denge, dhairya rakho.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Mar 2014 21:53

gandharva wrote:
Proof ?

Laa denge, dhairya rakho.[/quote]

I hope it will be more than a picture of JS father shaking hand with a pre partition Paki politician or such.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 22 Mar 2014 21:57

Sanku wrote:
gandharva wrote:
Jaswant Singh' father tried hard to convince Jodhpur royals to join Pak in'47.
Proof ?

Have you seen his elder brother's profile? Lots of armed forces officers opted for Pakistan before coming to their senses.

http://veekay-militaryhistory.blogspot. ... singh.html

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 22 Mar 2014 22:12

Do you think Modi will become PM?

Singh: Why should we anticipate it now? Time will tell.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/othe ... 397743.cms
Nov 8, 2013,

negi · Post by **negi** » 22 Mar 2014 22:23

Persnal factoids aside even a cursory glance at achievements of bumbling idiots will tell that they were never into akshun. Jaswant Singh, LKA , Sushma Swaraj all had portoflios under ABV government , what did they do ? The most visible change under ABV was roads that was under B C Khanduri person who has put his head down and is working for the party and not making fuss. Sushma auntyji ne FTV band karwaya aur kya kiya ? Jaswant Singh can hardly speak he is like MMS in that department , when he was external affairs minister he was as meek with TSP as jokers under MMS even MFN status was not revoked .

Even now why is he fixated on Barmer ? What has he done for his constituencies ? Darjeeling mein kya kaam hua hai ? These guys just need safe seats to contest. Same is the case with another joker Ananth Kumar he has won 5 times from South Bangalore idiot has not even given us 5 roads without potholes , bhaad mein jayein aise chootiye.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 22 Mar 2014 22:24

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... om-Amarkot

http://www.dawn.com/news/177823/jaswant ... in-umerkot

JS's ancestors apparently sheltered Humayun's family. Akbar was born in Umerkot.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 22 Mar 2014 22:27

Jaitley, SS, Sinha aren't electoral heavyweights either, that their lamentings carry any real impact on electability of the bjp. Their sidelining will only give elm fodder to cry that modi is being arrogant and sidelining 'elders' of the party. I mean LKA fought as PM candidate in '09 and congress got more seats/votes in that election than in 04! And at 80+ wants to become PM. Out with the old and in with some new blood, ensuring you don't throw away election winning chances by blanket diktat.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 22 Mar 2014 22:31

LKA was born on 8th Nov 1927 according to wiki.can anyone give me one good reason why he is fighting these elections.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 22 Mar 2014 22:56

Must Watch! Amit Shah is God's gift to India.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 22 Mar 2014 23:02

gandharva wrote:Must Watch! Amit Shah is God's gift to India.

So we will be getting NaMo as PM and NaMo<AS> as HM

, good to know we have person as capable as NaMo<AS> behind NaMo.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 22 Mar 2014 23:24

disha wrote:
muraliravi wrote:I agree 100%. Cong is probably blackmailing him with babri demolition report
CONgIs should do that., put LKA in jail for babri demolition. Right now is a good time.

Imagine a 86 year old gent who has spent his life living and fighting honestly and at the near sunset of his life is sent to jail on trumped up charges on something which was an expression of national faith. Hindus are not asking for a temple to be constructed in Mecca!

It makes a lot of sense. If Congress really had something on Advani on Babri Masjid, putting him in the jail is the last thing Congress would ever want. It will immediately polarize the Indian population. Caste divisions will blur in crucial states, and forget tsunami, it would be an energy wave that India has never seen before. Couple with Advani in jail, and NaMo leading the brigade, the poonya bhoomi will really quake.

On second thoughts, that probably will be a good way to postpone the elections, before the eventual defeat.

Being thrown in a jail for murder and thievery is one thing for middle class fellows, but going to jail for such a 'cause' is what Kejriwal would be dreaming every second. Jail will not taint Advani now or his legacy.

Sonia: If you are reading this, can you do this for India?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Mar 2014 23:53

MaharathiArjun wrote:
gandharva wrote:Must Watch! Amit Shah is God's gift to India.
So we will be getting NaMo as PM and NaMo<AS> as HM , good to know we have person as capable as NaMo<AS> behind NaMo.

Modi-AS-SSC-Pariikar, at least 10x4=40 years of political stability in the hands of these honest men of India. Enough time to shatter any frontline TINA factor and become 1st or 2nd largest economic power in world with real long ,thick and rough fingers and 18Inch wide hands to squeeze and make cheese of any dirty yahoo nearby.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 23 Mar 2014 00:55

"at least 10x4=40 years of political stability in the hands of these honest men of India. Enough time to shatter any frontline TINA factor"

.. arr then what is use of con race party if there is no third world to throw crumbs at and run disinformation campaigns against.