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Manmeet wrote:PM requests Mehbooba mufi to attend all party meet knowing her party is responsible for stone pelting.
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/10ju ... date.htm#2

No freaken shame....
So what is wrong with following the formalities? She didn't listen to the CM. The PM did the unthinkable and stepped in with a personal request. The govt did more than it's part.

Do not forget that the protests have been happening in places which registered around 20% electoral votes - separatist strongholds.
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Do not forget that the protests have been happening in places which registered around 20% electoral votes - separatist strongholds.
Not exactly !
Sopore, Baramula, Anantnag being exceptions, stone pelting has taken place in Ganderbal (Omar Abdullah's) constituency.
I am surprised what happened to covert operations?
Why Ikhwaan has been disbanded?? That surprises me the most !
What happened to SOG and SPOs of J&K police??
Don't forget, intelligence mechanism in 7 districts of Kashmir valley is a must and must not be tempered with until art 370 goes in trash bin.
India has won all battles in Kashmir, all they have to do now is eliminate junior and low level hurriyat scum, which interacts with muslim public and instigates violence and never let them grow again, and let senior hurriyat to breathe !
Let SOGs and SPOs do their job and things will sail smoothly in a year's time !
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I am surprised what happened to covert operations?
Why Ikhwaan has been disbanded?? That surprises me the most !
IIRC, there were some articles posted on BRF itself mentioning about how unruly and tough to control most of the Ikhwans were becoming causing the security agencies to scale down their powers and numbers...

Of course, i fully agree that some covert danda is definitely needed to bring the situation under control..
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lsunil wrote:
Manmeet wrote:PM requests Mehbooba mufi to attend all party meet knowing her party is responsible for stone pelting.
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/10ju ... date.htm#2

No freaken shame....
So what is wrong with following the formalities? She didn't listen to the CM. The PM did the unthinkable and stepped in with a personal request. The govt did more than it's part.

Do not forget that the protests have been happening in places which registered around 20% electoral votes - separatist strongholds.
Mahabooba has sucker punched MMS.

MMS should not have fallen into her trap and given her more air time and press coverage which was her sole intention all along. Her stock just went up in pakiland.

But who can advise this mahapurush? This "peace at any cost" will be our downfall. We should make peace at their cost. That is good politics.

Shut down all paki contacts immediately. No bus, train or medical help.
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The protests are quelled. Nothing more to see. The political quarrels are happening for what? What are the separatists(HC+PDP) demands? Resignation of omar abdullah? Ain't happening.

So they made 150 bucks each for the whole fiasco. Now what? How will they make a living now? In this sort of conditions? The sooner that thought hit's, the quicker the valley will try to move back to normalcy.

The places from where these protests started will always be a boiling pot. Let weekdays be a curfew here. Let them come out on weekends. If the trouble makers cannot be curbed then it should be contained.

Seems like a reproduction of the "freedom flotilla" incident. The aftermath is their desire. It's a propaganda warfare. The pictures of those injured are filmed from several directions and distributed wherever.
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See how slowly they are connecting India, Kashmir, AfPak and Iran as one situation.
THis author talks about bad timing even in 1947 and misunderstanding between India and Pakistan.


http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/ ... of-timing/
One of the most telling comments in the latest round of violence in Kashmir came from separatist leader Mirwaiz Omar Farouk, when he said that the protests were not about Muslim Kashmir vs Hindu India. He would not have had to say that before – the Kashmir separatist revolt at the start was always more about nationhood than religion. That he now has to deny the communal undertones highlights how far these have grown.

The latest protests also come as India and Pakistan have begun a tentative attempt at peace-making after a long diplomatic limbo following the November 2008 attack on Mumbai. Their foreign ministers are due to meet on July 15 to take the process forward. Both have an interest in trying to reduce tensions, if nothing else but because the uncertainty over U.S. policy in Afghanistan threatens new instability in the region. Yet neither country will find it politically easy to accommodate each other if Kashmir is going up in flames.

The protests in Kashmir also coincide with some fresh soul-searching in Pakistan over the role of militant groups – some of whom were once nurtured to fight India in Kashmir – following last weeks suicide bombing of one of the country’s most popular Sufi shrines in Lahore. A perception of “Indian oppression” against fellow Muslims in Kashmir has always fed into popular support for militants fighting for its “liberation” – so in another tragedy of timing, the crackdown in Srinagar is likely to make it harder for those voices within Pakistan who want to win backing against Islamist militant groups.

Anyone who has ever studied the history of India and Pakistan – right back to pre-partition days – will know that their tortuous relationship has been based on misunderstandings and bad timing. And Kashmir has always been caught in the middle. Yet even the most optimistic cannot resist the impression that the regional environment is worsening.

As one person commented on my last post – albeit in a different context about the relationship between India, Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan – using language that perhaps expressed more than a journalist can in thousands of words:

“It is all one bloody mess … isn’t it. Every one is caught in every one else’s web..”
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http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=250286
An IM, Washing Ummah ass pitch in. This guy is agent for outside power centre and ought to be inevstigaed by NIA, This is not an innocent indulgence in opinion but call to incite IM to hurt Indian interests.
Wounded valley[/b]
But this is no time to hide and remain silent. Kashmir is burning. And if something is not done soon, the heat will be felt by the rest of India — and the world. If we really care about India and all that it stands for and represents ( No one is asking you to stay in India ,feel free to move to anywhere in Ummha land) , we must speak out against the shame of human-rights abuses going on in the valley. I have watched with growing horror increasing reports of innocent, young boys – as young as 13 – dying in police firing and so-called encounters with security forces. No week passes without people coming out on the streets even in remote villages over some killing or other.
Here come Poak Propganda ,Musharraf,Pakistan and Flush together
We cannot continue to claim Kashmir belongs to India even as we drive its people away with our actions. The bulk of India’s security forces – a whopping 716,000 – are deployed in Kashmir, the heaviest concentration of troops anywhere in the world. Take a walk along the Dal Lake in Srinagar and there are more soldiers on the road than civilians. With so many soldiers on the march and throwing their weight around, it’s a virtual battlefront out there. Is it any wonder then there’s so much of resentment against the security forces in Kashmir today? That powder keg of anger and frustration blows up every now and then at the slightest provocation. With so many jackboots on the ground, how can we ever hope to win Kashmiri hearts and minds?
( Just the same way Sunni Kashmiri Islamist terrorist won the heart and mind of Kashmiri Pundits. )
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Muzamil Jaleel in the Indian Express

No More Denials, Please
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Syed Saleem Shahzad in Asia times ....

Al-Qaeda aims to cash in on Kashmir

Al-Qaeda watches on
By the standards of the long-running conflict in Kashmir, the latest flare-up is relatively low key, involving mostly street protests, in contrast to the bloody militant attacks of previous years.

For al-Qaeda, though, this is a big moment in terms of its Ghazwai-e-Hind, the Prophet Mohammad's promised end-of-time battle for the conquest of India.

Al-Qaeda decided to start its Ghazwa-e-Hind operations by claiming responsibility for an attack on February 13 this year in which a bomb exploded at the German Bakery in the city of Pune, Maharashtra state, killing 17 people and injuring at least 60.
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ajit_tr wrote:Syed Saleem Shahzad in Asia times ....

Al-Qaeda aims to cash in on Kashmir


Al-Qaeda watches on
By the standards of the long-running conflict in Kashmir, the latest flare-up is relatively low key, involving mostly street protests, in contrast to the bloody militant attacks of previous years.

For al-Qaeda, though, this is a big moment in terms of its Ghazwai-e-Hind, the Prophet Mohammad's promised end-of-time battle for the conquest of India.

Al-Qaeda decided to start its Ghazwa-e-Hind operations by claiming responsibility for an attack on February 13 this year in which a bomb exploded at the German Bakery in the city of Pune, Maharashtra state, killing 17 people and injuring at least 60.
ISI trying to be cleverer than half through by putting this crap out through Syed Saleem Shahzad. There is no Al Queda BS targeting India and that includes J&K. Its only TSPA/ISI/LET combine. It of course suits TSP just fine, as it does US to bring in this Al Queda sophistry. Plan being that India & TSP be goaded along to be goody goody boys and take on Al Queda. TSP will happily do this earning kudos from US, but in the same breath, orchestrating terror attacks against India through LET and labeling that an "indigeneous freedom struggle". Maybe MMS will fall for this nonsense, but I doubt many others in the estblishment will touch this with a foot-long pole.
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Al Qaeda is for western audience. It is a code word that it is a threat directed for their awareness
This is total war against India and could be a two front war to defy the western powers with the nuclear agreement between TSP and PRC
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Sridhar wrote:Muzamil Jaleel in the Indian Express

No More Denials, Please
A good analysis of the failures of the administration. The riots were being orchestrated, but they wouldn't have succeeded had the administration been taking effective action.
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Sridhar wrote:Muzamil Jaleel in the Indian Express

No More Denials, Please

We need to take Muzamil's high pitched blame game with dollops of salt - he's not exactly what we'd call an impartial observer - take for example - the following from right after the 26/11 attacks:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... bai-terror
Resolving the Kashmir dispute would help Pakistan to end its support for Islamist separatists implicated in the Mumbai attacks
or
...it has become crystal clear that the Pakistan government has been consistent in its promise to fight Taliban and al-Qaida, even at the cost of serious setbacks to its internal security...
or after trying to become a jihadi as in http://www.mukto-mona.com/human_rights/ ... ountry.htm
I also prepared for the dangerous journey from our village in north Kashmir to Pakistan-controlled Kashmir where all the training camps were. One didn't just have to avoid being sighted by the Indian soldiers who guarded the border round the clock, but also defeat the fierce cold and the difficulties of hiking over the snow-clad Himalayan peaks that stood in the way. I acquired the standard militant's gear: I bought the Wellington boots, prepared a polythene jacket and trousers to wear over my warm clothes, and found some woollen cloth to wrap around my calves as protection from frostbite.

Fortunately, I failed. Three times a group of us returned from the border. Each time something happened that forced our guide to take us back. The third time, 23 of us had started our journey on foot from Malangam, not far away from my village, only to be abandoned in a dense jungle. It was night, and the group had scattered after hearing gunshots nearby, sensing the presence of Indian army men. In the morning, when we gathered again, our guide was missing.
the man starts wailing when his friends meet their deserved end....

or better still, the man tries to be an alibi for his close friend - the terrorist Afzal Guru...
http://www.boloji.com/opinion/0249.htm
Afzal Guru was born in a well to do business family in Doabgah in North Kashmir. According to his close friend Muzamil Jaleel, Afzal was the best student in his class in Muslim Educational Trust English Medium Higher Secondary School in Sopore....

In the years of 1985 to 1989, Kashmir was rocked by militancy...It was during these difficult years, Afzal left his medical studies and like so many others crossed the Line of Control to take up arms training in Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

Years later, Afzal told his close friend Muzamil Jaleel that he "didn't fit in his new role" and his romance with the gun had extinguished soon after he crossed the LoC
On the Indian side, Jaleel pointed out, right-wing politicians have sought to turn Kashmir into a Hindu holy land of sorts to make ceding any of its territory non-negotiable. This is the impulse behind the strong political support for the Amarnath Yatra, a new pilgrimage to a cave in the mountains above Srinagar where an ice formation resembles a lingam - a Hindu religious symbol representing the phallus of the god Shiva. The same motive lies behind a new festival called the Sindhu Darshan, which casts the Indus as a Hindu river, though it was the cradle of ancient civilizations in what is today Pakistan, long before Hinduism existed. "India is trying to turn the rivers of Kashmir into religious symbols," Jaleel said.
http://globalpolicy.org/security-counci ... water.html
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A Kashmiri XXXXX writes a pro-Paki article on recent events in Kashmir. It is available at afpak dot foreign policy dot com
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Anindya wrote: We need to take Muzamil's high pitched blame game with dollops of salt
Maybe ... but that particular article had an analysis of each riot and each death. It could be one-sided, but one can always use criticism to improve and fine-tune responses. It would obviously be good to have other points of view also.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:A Kashmiri bitch writes a pro-Paki article on recent events in Kashmir. It is available at afpak dot foreign policy dot com
No need to call her Kashmiri. She speaks only for herself. She doesn't speak for the majority that defy separatist election boycotts.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:A Kashmiri bitch writes a pro-Paki article on recent events in Kashmir. It is available at afpak dot foreign policy dot com
Boy of she and her ilk don't like Bakara, who can be as pro-Paki, pro-Kashmiri Muslim as one can get; you can imagine how difficult it would be to have a rational dialouge with someone like her.

Pranav, on her point that majority of Kashmiris want independence, I think she is right, and I hope you are right. The RAPE versions of Kashmiri Muslims dream of independence. And their dream of independence involves becoming a colony of US, hope being all kinds of economic goodies will be pumped in. I would say a good percentage want to join TSP too; especially the hardcore 99% Abduls. And both of these groups derive their fantasies based on US/TSP support. Otherwise, you won't find this kind of petulance; they would corked their rear ends and cut a deal with the govt and moved on.
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CRamS wrote: Pranav, on her point that majority of Kashmiris want independence, I think she is right, and I hope you are right. The RAPE versions of Kashmiri Muslims dream of independence. And their dream of independence involves becoming a colony of US, hope being all kinds of economic goodies will be pumped in. I would say a good percentage want to join TSP too; especially the hardcore 99% Abduls. And both of these groups derive their fantasies based on US/TSP support. Otherwise, you won't find this kind of petulance; they would corked their rear ends and cut a deal with the govt and moved on.
As regards joining TSP, polls show that support is at 2%.

As regards independence, support in the Kashmir Valley may be significant, but it is still a minority in J&K overall.

Some people may tend to become emotional and unbalanced and get swept away by Islamist frenzy etc, but I think overall the separatist-Islamist-Jihadist narrative is beginning to lose its appeal. With each cycle of spasms, more people tend to wisen up. The 2008 Amarnath Yatra situation was more volatile than the 2009 disproved Shopian rape situation, which in turn was more volatile than the present situation.
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CRamS wrote: Pranav, on her point that majority of Kashmiris want independence, I think she is right, and I hope you are right. The RAPE versions of Kashmiri Muslims dream of independence. And their dream of independence involves becoming a colony of US, hope being all kinds of economic goodies will be pumped in. I would say a good percentage want to join TSP too; especially the hardcore 99% Abduls. And both of these groups derive their fantasies based on US/TSP support. Otherwise, you won't find this kind of petulance; they would corked their rear ends and cut a deal with the govt and moved on.
From what I have seen, I think the first part is mostly true, but not the second bolded part. I think the abduls want independence but not any kind of union with pakistan. They may love Pakistan but I doubt they will want to join them and many of them blame TSP for the militancy as well.
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Pranav wrote:
As regards joining TSP, polls show that support is at 2%.

As regards independence, support in the Kashmir Valley may be significant, but it is still a minority in J&K overall.

Some people may tend to become emotional and unbalanced and get swept away by Islamist frenzy etc, but I think overall the separatist-Islamist-Jihadist narrative is beginning to lose its appeal. With each cycle of spasms, more people tend to wisen up. The 2008 Amarnath Yatra situation was more volatile than the 2009 disproved Shopian rape situation, which in turn was more volatile than the present situation.
My good friend, lets get real here. If what you say true, then I would ask why not conduct a plebiscite and kick TSP's ass once and for all and show they have no support, not much for independence, and majority prefer India? If India is cock-sure of Kashmiri Muslim allegiance to India, a plebiscite is a sure way to nail TSP's lie. Matter of fact it is TSP that is cock-sure and hence the constant demand for plebiscite. They know that the legal mandate is India Vs TSP, no 3rd option, and hence given Kashmiri Muslims' overwhelming desire to seceede, they will win in a 2-way plebiscite.
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Wonder if TSP believes in its own delusions. Jihadi Lodhi is on full throttle in highligting the people yearning to be "free". And apparently, TSP has no role, nada, zilch in the protests. Someone should e-mail her the conversation between TSP's puppets in the valley calling for martyrs. Finally, I wonder if freedom-loving Jihadi Lodhi has ever so eloquently argued for her own people to be free from army rule?
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Missionary forced out of Kashmir valley
Fr. Borst has run two schools in Kashmir since 1997. Both are called "School of the Good Shepherd", one in Pulwama and the other in Shivpora, Srinagar. The Dutch Catholic priest has always been active in education and his schools, where staff is 99% Muslim, is renowned for the quality of teaching.

Joseph Dhar believes that this is why they want to remove Fr. Borst: "The Muslim intelligentsia schools are unable to compete with his". Twice, in 2003 the schools of the Good Shepherd were attacked and accused of trying to convert children to Christianity.
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CRamS wrote: My good friend, lets get real here. If what you say true, then I would ask why not conduct a plebiscite and kick TSP's ass once and for all and show they have no support, not much for independence, and majority prefer India? If India is cock-sure of Kashmiri Muslim allegiance to India, a plebiscite is a sure way to nail TSP's lie. Matter of fact it is TSP that is cock-sure and hence the constant demand for plebiscite. They know that the legal mandate is India Vs TSP, no 3rd option, and hence given Kashmiri Muslims' overwhelming desire to seceede, they will win in a 2-way plebiscite.
The figures I am quoting are from the latest opinion poll conducted by Chatham House, which basically represents the UK elite (and therefore not particularly friendly to India). Overall in J&K, 2% support merger with TSP, and 54% support remaining with India. Obviously support for India is much higher in Jammu and Ladakh than in the Valley.

I would suggest that give it another few years. If Omar Abdullah does a moderately OK job things are likely to get better. However, even if India were confident of winning a plebiscite, there are legal reasons why it may not be a good idea to have one.
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Pranav wrote:
Anindya wrote: We need to take Muzamil's high pitched blame game with dollops of salt
Maybe ... but that particular article had an analysis of each riot and each death. It could be one-sided, but one can always use criticism to improve and fine-tune responses. It would obviously be good to have other points of view also.
The point is that Muzamil's claims may not only be biased, but his analysis may be based on false data, going by his past. Anybody who is aware of the Pakistan-India situation (which Muzamil is) and claims that Pakistan is honest about chasing Taliban or Al Qaeda - is lying for a particular audience. Another data point is that Barkha in one of her outbursts on a NDTV show, described a different scenario for Mattoo's death (tear gas shell etc.).

So, the scenarios he describes need to be looked at closely, for their factual content.
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South Korea deploys robot capable of killing intruders along border with North

Something like this will be helpful in fighting the insurgents along LoC.
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Pranav wrote:
However, even if India were confident of winning a plebiscite, there are legal reasons why it may not be a good idea to have one.
Of course, I was being rhetorical. Having a plebiscite to decide every bogus issue, esepcially issues of alienation will open up a Pandora's box. Just as US does, namely, any democratic principle is only so good as long as supreme national interests are not threatned, perhaphs, India should make it loud and clear that it will lap up the condescending praise from US that it is the world's largest democracy, but in the next breath must openly declare, thank you very much, but Kashmiri Muslims' desire for secession is not on the cards. Now lets sit down and talk. I think the dilution in India's stand, starting with Vajpayee, and made worse by MMS with his "borders are irrelevant" crap have raised the expectations of the secessionists that as they push harder with both tacit (US) and overt (TSP) support, India will give in more.
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Like clock work the Pakistanis, come out with their clique of India baiters...
Eleventh International Kashmir Peace Conference
“India-Pakistan Relations: Breaking the Deadlock over Kashmir”


Presented by
The Kashmiri-American Council and The Association of Humanitarian Lawyers

Thursday, July 29th 2010 at the Cannon Caucus Room # 345
Friday, July 30th 2010 at the Rayburn, Gold Room # 2168
(Nearest metro is: Capitol South, Orange and Blue lines)

The conference will be held on Thursday, July 29th & Friday, 30th, 2010 on Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C. The primary objective of this conference is to explore various possibilities to set a stage for the settlement of the Kashmir dispute. Speakers will represent both sides of the Cease-fire Line; from India, Pakistan and Kashmir.

The international community upholds the position of principle that the future status of Kashmir must be ascertained in accordance with the wishes and the aspirations of the people. It was also upheld equally by both India and Pakistan when the Kashmir dispute was brought before the Security Council in 1948. Although this may be regarded as history there is no reason why, when the human, political and legal realities of the dispute have only not changed but have become more accentuated with the passage of time, it should now be regarded as irrelevant.

The urgent goal of resolving the Kashmir dispute cannot be left to the two governments to achieve. Bilateral talks have proven barren for more than 61 years; they have lacked a sense of urgency. It requires the engagement of a multilateral effort with the participation of the Kashmiris themselves.

The durable peace and development of harmonious relations and friendly cooperation will serve the vital interests of the peoples of the two countries of India and Pakistan, enabling them to devote their energies for a better future. With good faith by all parties concerned common, the governments of India & Pakistan and the people of Kashmir, ground leading to a final settlement of the Kashmir tragedy can be discovered. If it can happen in East Timor, South Africa, and Serbia, then it can happen in Kashmir, which is even more urgent because of nuclear and missile proliferation in the region.

From India the organizers have invited:
Ambassador Kuldip Nayar, Justice Rajendar Sachar, Ms. Rita Manchanda, Ms. Harinder Baweja

From Pakistan the following have been are invited:
Mr. Mohammad Afzal Sindhu, Mr. Ahsan Iqbal, Ambassador Maleeha Lodhi, Senator Mushahid Hussain Syed, Dr. Attia Inaytullah, Mr. Ahmer Bilal Soofi, Esq. Ambassador Munir Akram

From Kashmir, the list includes:
Prime Minister AJK, Mr. Raja Farooq Haider, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, Mr. Mohammad Yasin Malik, Mr. Ved Bhasin, Pandit Jatinder Bakhshi, Professor Hameeda Bano, Mr. Basharat peer, Ambassador Yusuf Buch, Dr. Farhan Chak, Mr. Zahid G. Mohammad, and Mr. M. Attiqyrer Rehman.

From expatriate activists:
Professor Nazir A. Shawl, Barrister Majid Tramboo, Mr. Sareer Fazili, Esq, Mr. Ali S. Khan, Dr. Mohammad A. Dar; Prof. Maqsood Jafri, Mr. Altaf Qadri, Mr. Ejaz Sabir, Mr. Muzzammil Thakur, Dr. Imtiaz Khan and Mr. Mumtaz Wani, Esq, Prof. Faizaul Haq, Mr. Shaheen Khalid Bhat, Mr. Javaid Rathore, Sardar Amjad Yousuf, Prof. (Mrs.) Shamim Shawl, Mr. Raja Muzzafar, Prof. Wasiuulah Khan, Dr. Nisar Chowdhary, M. Khawaja Ashraf.

Others on the invitation list are:
Professor Stanley Wolpert, Professor Joseph Schwartzberg, Ms. Victoria Schofield, Professor Stephen Cohen, Professor Richard Shapiro, Dr. Haley Duschinski, Dr. Rodney Jones, Dr. Karen Parker, Professor Angana Chatterji, Mr. Bruce Hoffman.

Pakistani Ambassador Hussain Haqqani and Indian Ambassador Meera Shankar are invited.

************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* ***
Admission to the Conference is free but registration is required*

Eleventh International Kashmir Peace Conference
Thursday, July 29th at Cannon Caucus Room # 345, Registration starts at 8.00 &
Friday, July 30th 2010 at Rayburn, Gold Room # 2168, Registration starts at 9.00
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Talk about loaded dice!
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From http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 164720.cms
JAMMU: An Army Major was killed and six other personnel including a Colonel injured in Mandhar sector of Poonch in an encounter tonight with suspected Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists.

Major Amit Phunge was killed in the operation while Col.Ajay Katoch of 47 Rashtriya Rifles was injured when the terrorists resorted to heavy fire and lobbed grenades, official sources said......The injured included Dinesh Kumar and Satinder Kumar, Signalmen, Naik Jasbir Singh, Sepoy Samir Kumar and Rifleman Dasharat.
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Just for records...
Indian Parliament Resolution on Jammu & Kashmir
dated 22-Feb-1994

This House notes with deep concern Pakistan’s role in imparting training to the terrorists in camps located in Pakistan and Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, the supply of weapons and funds, assistance in infiltration of trained militants, including foreign mercenaries into Jammu and Kashmir with the avowed purpose of creating disorder, disharmony and subversion;

Reiterates that the militants trained in Pakistan are indulging in murder, loot and other heinous crimes against the people, taking them hostage and creating an atmosphere of terror;

Condemns strongly the continued support and encouragement Pakistan is extending to subversive and terrorist activities in the Indian state of Jammu & Kashmir;

Calls upon Pakistan to stop forthwith its support to terrorism, which is in violation of the Shimla Agreement and the internationally accepted norms of inter-State conduct and is the root cause of tension between the two countries;

Reiterates that the Indian political and democratic structures and the Constitution provide for firm guarantees for the promotion and protection of human rights of all its citizens;

Regards Pakistan’s anti-India campaign of calumny and falsehood as unacceptable and deplorable;

Notes with deep concern the highly provocative statements emanating from Pakistan urges Pakistan to refrain from making statements which vitiate the atmosphere and incite public opinion;

Expresses regret and concern at the pitiable conditions and violations of human rights and denial of democratic freedoms of the people in those areas of the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir, which are under the illegal occupation of Pakistan;

On behalf of the People of India,

Firmly declares that-

1. "The state of Jammu & Kashmir has been, is and shall be an integral part of India and any attempts to separate it from the rest of the country will be resisted by all necessary means;
2. India has the will and capacity to firmly counter all designs against its unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity; and demands that -
3. Pakistan must vacate the areas of the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir, which they have occupied through aggression; and resolves that -
4. all attempts to interfere in the internal affairs of India will be met resolutely."

The Resolution was unanimously adopted. Mr. Speaker.

The Resolution is unanimously passed.

February 22, 1994
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The urgent goal of resolving the Kashmir dispute cannot be left to the two governments to achieve.
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"Talk about loaded dice!"

Conspicuously missing of course, are any army spokesmen, Kashmiri Hindus or, far as one can see, Kashmiris in general supporting the idea of India/Kashmir's integration with India.
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Eleventh International Kashmir Peace Conference
“India-Pakistan Relations: Breaking the Deadlock over Kashmir”
:rotfl:
Don't understand what these jokers are trying to achieve here with this 'fake' International Kashmir peace conference'?
With these micky mouse conferences and calling some US congressmen in this conference, what they are trying to proove?
Is world stupid?
A good idea should be that all Indian invitees should go there and then stage 'walk out'.
What they are trying to achieve through these conferences??
If you look at invitees list, it is a kid's guess what they are going to speak on?
Will India walk out of Kashmir?
Have Spanish Siesta and dream of kashmir, bloody porkis :lol:
Security forces excesses?
Security forces are not going to throw roses if they get stones pelted on them. Ofcourse they will shoot !
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I dont see Jihadi Kothwari's name , what happen , did he loose all the moolla in Bankrupcy two years ago that now all of his yaars want to enjoy alone? Cohen and his ilks know very much that Indians laugh at these free entertaining events known for Pakistani Muhsarraf Syndrome.
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July 13 is black day
While various Dogra and KP organizations challenged the observance of July 13 as Martyrs’ Day by the Government, they said there should be no gazetted holiday on this day as the agitating mob who tried to attack a jail in Srinagar to release a Pakistani national Abdul Qadir and resorted to rioting were stopped by the then Government of Maharaja from doing so. They said Mr Qadir had instigated the Muslims of Valley to dislodge the Government of Maharaja by resorting to communal violence.

Speaking on the occasion, PK convenor, Dr Agnishekhar said this day is observed by KPs globally as Black Day as this day in 1931 marks the beginning of the first organised genocide of KPs in Valley. On the occasion the survivors and witness to the 1931 massacre, narrated the horror tales of this day in village Kanikote in Budgam, Mahrajganj and Vicharnag in Kashmir.
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Anindya wrote:From http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 164720.cms
JAMMU: An Army Major was killed and six other personnel including a Colonel injured in Mandhar sector of Poonch in an encounter tonight with suspected Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists.

Major Amit Phunge was killed in the operation while Col.Ajay Katoch of 47 Rashtriya Rifles was injured when the terrorists resorted to heavy fire and lobbed grenades, official sources said......The injured included Dinesh Kumar and Satinder Kumar, Signalmen, Naik Jasbir Singh, Sepoy Samir Kumar and Rifleman Dasharat.
One hopes that the Army conducts a detailed analysis of the causes of every such set-back, and revises the Standard Operating Procedures appropriately.
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Year Civilians Security Forces Terrorists Total
2008 69 34 382 541
2009 55 78 242 375
2010* 16 90 120 170
http://idsa.in/idsacomments/Militancyin ... ant_140710
The kill-ratio is going down.
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This is couple of days old news and this Army chief seems to be very different from others. He is taking on the politcal setup and the INC was very unhappy.

We haven't been able to build on gains in Kashmir: Army chief
In remarks that appear to be critical of the political leadership, Army Chief V K Singh has said that the prevailing tension in Kashmir was the result of the failure to build on the gains that had been made earlier and suggested that the Army had been called out in Srinagar last week because of "loss of confidence" on the part of the administration.
The Army Chief also felt that certain other initiatives should also have been taken to improve the situation.


"So far as the Army is concerned, I think as security forces, a lot of work has been done. The situation has been brought to a particular level when other initiatives should have started to make way for betterment," he said when asked about measures required to check the violence in the valley.
Elaborating on the steps required, he said, "First of all, there has to be concerted efforts to identify the miscreants... There are few. There are people who are passing instructions on phone. They have to be identified. There are people financing the protests. They must be identified.


"After that, starts how do we connect with the common man and build confidence in him so that he can stay away from all this. Now this is both an administrative measure as well as it depends on the elected leaders out there at various levels," the Army Chief said.
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Muppalla:

The army chief is blowing hot air. Instead, he should concentrate on perfecting India's cold start or whatever strategy so that if the political leadership gives the green signal, he and the army deliver a telling blow to TSP; not the Kargil-type so called "victory" where we sacrifices our own troops, fight on our own side of the border, and earn kudos from the whites for "restraint" and go back full circle so the cycle repeats. What does he want the political leadership to do? Given in to the demands of the stone-pelting louts and their TSP puppet leadershship?
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