People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 04 Jul 2011 22:33

China's pledge for 'democracy' contradicted by internal documents
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ments.html

China's Hu rules out democratic reform as party turns 90
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... y-turns-90

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jul 2011 08:32

Should China be “Contained”? Joseph S. Nye

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 08 Jul 2011 23:12

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 10 Jul 2011 01:29

gakakkad wrote:

check this train journey travelogue that a chinese person probably from US undertook in India, Bangladesh and CHina

http://www.yaohua2000.org/2010/20101222/en.html

Massive construction going on train stations in China.

Also delays in India are in mins /hrs whereas mostly in seconds in China. lol. All in all a pretty good visual read.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 10 Jul 2011 10:11

Iran blocks cheap Chinese imports

Iran signs a document of cooperation on observation of commodity standards with China, preventing imports of low-quality Chinese goods into the country.

The document was signed in Beijing on Saturday by Bahador Kazemi, deputy official from Iran's institute of standards and industrial research and the Chinese authority on commodity regulation and control, IRNA reported.

The agreement came after years of negotiation and consultation between both sides. It affects all the 4,500 consumer and industrial items coming from China into Iran.

Based on the agreements, all the commodities must meet the Islamic Republic's obligatory standards and must have received quality approval from the standard regulators of both countries.

Violation of the agreement would bar both the defying importers and manufacturers from carrying out trade between the two sides.

“The document is an important step in the development of the instances of economic cooperation and commercial trade between Iran and China,” Iran's Ambassador to China Mahdi Safari commented on the agreement.

The volume of bilateral trade stood at around USD 30 billion by the end of 2010. Safari has said the quantity is expected to rise by USD 10 million by the end of the year.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 10 Jul 2011 17:48

Carl wrote:Iran blocks cheap Chinese imports
Iran signs a document of cooperation on observation of commodity standards with China, preventing imports of low-quality Chinese goods into the country.

The document was signed in Beijing on Saturday by Bahador Kazemi, deputy official from Iran's institute of standards and industrial research and the Chinese authority on commodity regulation and control, IRNA reported.

The agreement came after years of negotiation and consultation between both sides. It affects all the 4,500 consumer and industrial items coming from China into Iran.

Based on the agreements, all the commodities must meet the Islamic Republic's obligatory standards and must have received quality approval from the standard regulators of both countries.

Violation of the agreement would bar both the defying importers and manufacturers from carrying out trade between the two sides.

“The document is an important step in the development of the instances of economic cooperation and commercial trade between Iran and China,” Iran's Ambassador to China Mahdi Safari commented on the agreement.

The volume of bilateral trade stood at around USD 30 billion by the end of 2010. Safari has said the quantity is expected to rise by USD 10 million by the end of the year.

do we have such an agreement?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 10 Jul 2011 20:11

BBC Documentary: The.Chinese.Are.Coming

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 10 Jul 2011 20:41

Indeed, members of the political class in Beijing talk casually of the “100 families” that control the country’s politics, military and the commanding heights of the economy. Even so, there are growing signs the party is starting to cannibalise itself as rampant corruption and infighting among these powerful families intensify in the lead-up to a leadership transition next year.

In a private conversation, the scion of one of these families lamented the current state of political affairs and the lack of brave policy initiatives. “When the eunuchs are running the country then the dynasty is nearing its end,” this person said.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e792df70-a800 ... z1RiYDSnog

MAO's

“We have found a new path; we can break free of the cycle. The path is called democracy. As long as the people have oversight of the government then the government will not slacken in its efforts,” Mao said. As his successors ponder the lessons of history this year they would do well to finally start putting his words into practice.

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It is time to act on Mao’s call for democracy,

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 11 Jul 2011 06:45

Shortage of pigs causes high prices and inflation in China

disha · Post by **disha** » 11 Jul 2011 11:04

Airavat wrote:Shortage of pigs causes high prices and inflation in China

No doubt they are going for the poakis.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 11 Jul 2011 13:53

The Silver Lining in China's Crackdown
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/opinion ... 58182.html

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 18 Jul 2011 17:27

China Issues Visas to Arunachal Karate Team : ET

The Chinese Embassy in New Delhi, after a marathon discussion with the Indian authorities, has agreed to issue visas to Arunchalee karatekas, who are scheduled to represent India in the 11th Asian Karate-do Championship (Junior and Cadet) to be held at Quanghou City in Fujjian province of China from July 20 to 25 next.

What gives? Any chaiwallas can throw some light?

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 19 Jul 2011 22:33

China's Bumpy Road Ahead

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 3Dcomments

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 20 Jul 2011 00:29

kancha wrote:China Issues Visas to Arunachal Karate Team : ET

The Chinese Embassy in New Delhi, after a marathon discussion with the Indian authorities, has agreed to issue visas to Arunchalee karatekas, who are scheduled to represent India in the 11th Asian Karate-do Championship (Junior and Cadet) to be held at Quanghou City in Fujjian province of China from July 20 to 25 next.
What gives? Any chaiwallas can throw some light?

China being so very "generous"? "See, we have given you something. Now give us something!"

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 20 Jul 2011 06:03

Chinese barbarians in action

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 20 Jul 2011 20:32

Xinjiang, Tibet Continue to Haunt CPC/PLA Leadership -B Raman

For the last four weeks the Chinese authorities have considerably stepped up security in Xinjiang and Tibet to prevent any mass protests. July is a sensitive month for both regions---- for Xinjiang because it marks the first anniversary of the violent incidents of last year and for Tibet because it marks the 60th anniversary of the occupation of Tibet by the PLA. The reluctance of the Uighurs and the Tibetans to join in the celebrations of the 90th anniversary of the CPC has been an added cause for tension.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 20 Jul 2011 20:46

UBanerjee wrote:
kancha wrote:China Issues Visas to Arunachal Karate Team : ET

What gives? Any chaiwallas can throw some light?
China being so very "generous"? "See, we have given you something. Now give us something!"

Guess we didn't give them the something

Stapled visas hold back arunachal karate team - IBN Live

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 Jul 2011 22:46

Don't go. Don't invite!

Or start giving stapled visas to all those from Xinjiang, Tibet, Outer Mongolia, Manchuria, etc.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Jul 2011 01:35

Even Beijing

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Jul 2011 02:02

Acharya wrote:Even Beijing

We need to differentiate between them. The fun is in the differentiation and not in the stapled visa as such!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Jul 2011 02:10

Has anybody here talked to Chinese staying in India

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 21 Jul 2011 04:36

Dealing with Chinese aggression

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One sees a similar Chinese ‘assertiveness” in dealing with boundary issues with India. Not only is claim being laid to the entire State of Arunachal Pradesh, but China is now alluding to the length of the Sino-Indian border as 2,000 km instead of the actual length of 3,488 km, thereby excluding its borders in the western sector with Jammu and Kashmir from the ambit of differences over the Sino-Indian border.
INDIA'S TOO MEEK

Forever apologetic and defensive in dealing with an “assertive” China, South Block has yet to acknowledge that this constitutes a significant change in China's approach to the issue of Jammu and Kashmir, and indeed in its approach to the entire border issue.
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shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Jul 2011 10:30

Cross post

sum wrote:Taller than mountain fliend exporting its only exportable material to best fliend also:
Analysts see Pakistan terror links to Xinjiang attack

Officials on Wednesday said this week's attack on a police station in China's far western Xinjiang region had been “masterminded” by terrorist groups, while security analysts here suggested separatist groups active in Pakistan had a role in the violence.

Officials raised the death toll from Monday's attack in Hotan, a city in southern Xinjiang, to 18. While police shot down 14 “rioters”, four others, including two women, were killed in the attack.

Hou Hanmin, the head of the regional information office in Hotan, told The Hindu in a telephone interview that the attackers were “organised”, and armed with knives and grenades.

The rioters had entered a nearby government office before attacking and setting fire to a police station. They had taken six hostages before the police shot 14 of the 18 reported attackers, according to official accounts.

“They held up a banner calling for ‘holy war',” said Ms. Hou. “The attack was brutal and ruthless. This was clearly an attack masterminded by terrorist groups.”

Xinjiang has seen intermittent unrest with clashes between the local Uighur ethnic group and the increasing number of Han Chinese, the country's majority ethnic group, who have migrated to the region in recent years. The government has, in the past, blamed Uighur separatist groups for the clashes, though many Uighurs say tensions had been driven by rising inequalities between the groups.

On Wednesday, government-run newspapers quoted terrorism experts as saying the attacks were carried out by separatists, likely linked to terror groups active in Pakistan. Xinjiang shares a border with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

I call for the speedy restoration of the Karakoram highway from Pakistan to Xinjiang so China can deliver its deterrent nuclear materials to Pakistan and Pakistan can deliver its deterrent Jihadis to China.

Congratulations to my Chines friends on the great Chinese policy of befriending and supporting Pakistan, your "tallerthan talles mountain, deeper than deepest ocean, more clap ridden that the dirtiest whore" friend.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Jul 2011 19:24

Heartiest greetings my Chinese friends!

http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabid/99 ... ttack.aspx
Hotan on high alert after attack

Pan Zhiping, director of the Institute of Central Asia at the Xinjiang Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times Tuesday that with over 90 percent of its residents being of Uyghur ethnicity, Hotan appears prone to the influence of terrorism that has penetrated the country from overseas, and that would result in religion being used as a tool to instigate separatist activities and violence.

"Located in the southern part of Xinjiang, Hotan is close to the border with Pakistan. Due to their affinity in religion and language, some Uyghur residents there are at risk of being influenced by terrorist groups such as the East Turkistan Islamic Movement," Pan said.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Jul 2011 20:50

^^^ The horror!

Rumor has it that some rather excitable 'rogue' sections of the Paki mil establishment are considering arming the Uighur ~~rebels~~ fredom fighters with at least a dirty bum if not a working nook to give 'em phreedom fighters at least some measure of safety/protection/ bargaining-power vis-a-vis mighty Beijing only....

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 22 Jul 2011 14:17

serious issues.
Bagdogra IAF meet to discuss China threat

Jayanta Gupta, TNN Jun 29, 2011, 01.37am ISTKOLKATA: A two-day commanders' conference of the Eastern Air Command (EAC) will begin at Air Force Station Bagdogra from Wednesday. Air chief marshal PV Naik, IAF chief of air staff, and other officers from Delhi Air headquarters will hold meetings with officers from this part of the country at this conference, which is being hosted by Air marshal KK Nohwar, AOC-in-C, EAC.

"Several operational matters will be discussed in the conference, first-of-its-kind at Bagdogra. With China's aggressive moves along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) turning into a major cause for concern, Bagdogra has emerged as the most important air base in the EAC, which is in charge of operations in the North East. Bagdogra is situated at the 'chicken neck', which is a narrow corridor that connects the northeastern states to the rest of the country," an officer said.

Military strategists believe that should China decide to launch a full-fledged attack on India, it would send in troops through Bhutan to try and cut-off the North East. Under such circumstances, the role of Bagdogra will be crucial. No wonder, the base has been fitted with advanced radars and other long-range surveillance equipment. To counter any threat from across the border, air bases in the northeastern states are being upgraded on a priority basis. Su-30 MKI air-superiority fighters have already been stationed at Tezpur and Advanced Landing Grounds are being restored.

"It has been announced by Air headquarters that more assets will be stationed in the east and North East as China has turned into more of a concern than Pakistan in the last few years. The fleet of ageing Mig-21 Bisons - the mainstay of the EAC -are being gradually phased out and will be replaced by the Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft that the IAF plans to acquire. But the deal is yet to be inked and it would take several years for the first lot of aircraft to arrive. Another problem is the non-availability of advanced radars to monitor the airspace across the mountainous LAC To keep Indian airspace free from incursions , the IAF has to use mobile radar stations. This has to be done as low-flying aircraft from China would be extremely difficult to detect should they follow the meandering course of the Brahmaputra," an officer said.

China maintains many more airfields, which can be made operational at short notice, close to the LAC than India does. Surveillance has revealed that the airfields across the LAC can be made operational at short notice.

Officials say that aircraft taking off from the Chinese airfields would have to compromise on fuel or armaments to maintain low weight in the rarefied atmosphere, as the bases are high-altitude ones. But this can hardly be considered an advantage with mid-air refuellers available.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2011 16:47

Stapled Visa Once Again

With China issuing stapled visas to a team of karatekas from Arunachal Pradesh, India is expected to raise the contentious issue with China at the 15th round of boundary talks between special representatives of the two countries later this year.

In a fresh bid to up the ante over its territorial claims over India's northeastern state, China recently issued stapled visas, which are not accepted by India, to a team of sportspersons from Arunachal Pradesh.

The team was not allowed by immigration authorities to board a flight to Beijing at the Indira Gandhi International Airport here Tuesday for not having regular visas.

The players were set to represent India at the 11th Asian Karate-do Championship (junior and cadet) at Quanghou City in Fujjian province of China from July 20 to 25.

As part of its strategy to put India on the defensive, China, which earlier maintained neutrality on the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan, also started issuing stapled visas to residents of Jammu and Kashmir a couple of years ago, provoking New Delhi to suspend defence exchanges with Beijing last year.

However, after New Delhi vehemently protested during the meeting between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Hu Jintao on the sidelines of the ASEAN summit in Hanoi last year, Beijing has stopped stapled visas from residents of Jammu and Kashmir.

No stapled visas has been issued to Kashmiris travelling to China since Oct 16, 2010, a senior official said.

Issuing stapled visas to residents of Arunachal Pradesh came as a bit of surprise to Indian officials dealing with China as Beijing earlier refused to give visas to residents of the northeasternern state they claim as South Tibet, a part of China. Beijing maintained that people from Arunachal did not require visas to travel from one part of the country (China) to another.

India had protested the practice and has asserted that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India.

Arihant · Post by **Arihant** » 22 Jul 2011 19:10

SSridhar wrote:Stapled Visa Once Again

The fact that we're not retaliating with stapled visas of our own worries me. The benign explanation is that we're playing "mature" diplomacy, and not responding to minor provocations. The more worrying one that the Chinese have us over the barrel of the proverbial gun - some threat that we cannot counter, that gives them the freedom to endlessly needle...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Jul 2011 19:16

As long as we cannot nuke the cities on China's East Coast, India would have to take it easy.

Arihant · Post by **Arihant** » 22 Jul 2011 19:24

RajeshA wrote:As long as we cannot nuke the cities on China's East Coast, India would have to take it easy.

I thought my namesake, and siblings, were supposed to take care of that?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Jul 2011 19:29

Arihant wrote: I thought my namesake, and siblings, were supposed to take care of that?

Not with 700 km long sticks. They will need to have longer and heavier sticks to be taken seriously.

Jaspreet · Post by **Jaspreet** » 22 Jul 2011 19:37

How to deal with the problem of stapled visas.
Insert a clause within the passport - "All visa stamps whether stapled or not are deemed to be in the main body of the passport and are considered granting of permission by the foreign government to the nationals of India."

So then whether it is AP or J&K, a visa is a permission by the Chini gobermand to Indian nationals.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2011 20:12

What I do not understand is also that the Sports Authority of India (SAI), under whose jurisdiction should be the Karate association, failed to inform the government about stapled visas as soon as they were issued ! The immigration had to stop them at the airport.

GoI must send a circular to all trade, tourist, sports and cultural organizations in the country that they should tell the Chinese embassy right at the time of applying for visas that they were not interested if only stapled visas were to be issued.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Jul 2011 23:37

A simple solution to the Chinee stapled visas.India should staple ALL visas issued to Chinse nationals irrespective of where in China they come from.This way if the PRC imgines that by stapling visas from AP or J&K,they consider the territory to be in dispute,then such an act by India would ensure that the entire territory of China is in dispute,sending up a huge cheer in Taiwan! "Tit for tat" is shoul be our act but grand eunuchs...oops! My apologies to all transvestites and transgenders, grandees like SMK and MMS haven't the "equipment" to leave their "stamp" on such an issue!

Too fast for safety?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ision.html

Chinese bullet train falls from bridge after collision
Two Chinese bullet trains have collided, causing two carriages to fall 50ft from an elevated line and killing 16 passengeers in the first major accident on the country’s high-speed rail network.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Jul 2011 00:48

Philip wrote:A simple solution to the Chinee stapled visas.India should staple ALL visas issued to Chinse nationals irrespective of where in China they come from.This way if the PRC imgines that by stapling visas from AP or J&K,they consider the territory to be in dispute,then such an act by India would ensure that the entire territory of China is in dispute,sending up a huge cheer in Taiwan!

No, giving stapled visa to ALL Chinese does not mean that the whole territory of China is in dispute. All it means is that treats Chinese citizens equally, and stapled visa India's default procedure. It makes absolutely no statement.

It is the differentiated stamping of visas that sends a message!

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 24 Jul 2011 00:58

Philip wrote:A simple solution to the Chinee stapled visas.India should staple ALL visas issued to Chinse nationals irrespective of where in China they come from.This way if the PRC imgines that by stapling visas from AP or J&K,they consider the territory to be in dispute,then such an act by India would ensure that the entire territory of China is in dispute,sending up a huge cheer in Taiwan! "Tit for tat" is shoul be our act but grand eunuchs...oops! My apologies to all transvestites and transgenders, grandees like SMK and MMS haven't the "equipment" to leave their "stamp" on such an issue!

Too fast for safety?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ision.html

Chinese bullet train falls from bridge after collision
Two Chinese bullet trains have collided, causing two carriages to fall 50ft from an elevated line and killing 16 passengeers in the first major accident on the country’s high-speed rail network.

OOPS..................it seems not all of the technology was transferred by Japanese

VenkataS · Post by **VenkataS** » 24 Jul 2011 04:41

With respect to the stapled visas issued by the Chinese to Arunachal Pradesh residents why not retaliate by denouncing the illegal occupation of Tibet by China. Strongly take exception to the demographic change that China has made to Tibet by encouraging/ordering the emigration of Hans to Tibetan lands.

What has China got on us that we cannot seem to shake off and act to protect our national interests.
The issue of stapled visas by the Chinese is an attack on our national sovereignty.
Why doesn't the leadership in Delhi see it the way it is?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jul 2011 08:33

China’s Perspective on Nuclear Deterrence

x-post

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Jul 2011 21:10

China tries to calm criticism over train accident

Amid growing public criticism, China has resumed high-speed rail services on the track where a deadly train crash occurred less than 2 days ago.

A bullet train rammed into the back of a stalled train in Wenzhou, Zhejiang province on Saturday. The impact caused some cars to derail and fall off a 15 meter-high elevated track, killing 38 passengers, and injuring 192.

In an apparent move to try and get things back to normal as soon as possible, Chinese authorities resumed bullet train operations on Monday morning.

Following the disclosure of footage showing derailed cars being buried by earthmoving equipment, speculation of a cover-up has been growing.

But the Railways Ministry says the step was taken to facilitate efforts to rescue the survivors.

A reporter at a Chinese business paper said on Twitter that Communist Party officials asked domestic media to refrain from covering the news from the accident site, and to instead use articles dispatched by state-owned Xinhua News Agency.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Jul 2011 22:38

SIS chief will visit PRC counterparts every year.