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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 29 Jul 2012 22:38
by paramu
nakul wrote: . But for the time being, Pakistan is irreplaceable in the US geopolitical calculus.
This is true. America has investedd too much into Af Pak area that it cannot abondon without ROI
Central asia, arabian seas, balance of power, oil pipelines, Iran are the factors for staying in af Pak area for a long term.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 29 Jul 2012 22:53
by JwalaMukhi
nakul wrote: America does not DPRK as it has SK and Japan. America does not have any substitute for Pakistan in the region. They will try to support Afghanistan. But for the time being, Pakistan is irreplaceable in the US geopolitical calculus.
Surely there is a route. But that requires enlightenment from walking away from their hubris. As long as they feel the compulsion to wave the Anglo-saxon supermacist Jhanda, and shouldering the whiteman's burden, carrying the legacy of the colonial britturds, and being happy with "water carriers" of their erstwhile colonial masters agenda, they will be stuck in the region and descend into more and more asuric tactics.

But for that to happen they have cure their cognitive bias that anyone else other than 'white' or 'a shade of white' cannot be their equals and it is not a zero sum game. They could try to live as model if they choose to, for that requires abandoning being facilitators of asuric paths.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 29 Jul 2012 22:58
by nakul
They already have a working model called Islam. The USA is called a satan in the Islamic mind and there are quite a few flag burnings in Pakistan. They don't have to follow the servant model and can be free. It is not in their interests to do so. Staying away from the USA will not stop mullahs from calling from jihad. On the contrary, the PA will lose its jihadi links if they can't provide a mutually beneficial partnership to them.

As long as PA has weapons & money (courtesy USA), it can lure jihadis to do their bidding. This is a win win situatio for Pakistan & USA. This keeps the partnership going.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 29 Jul 2012 23:04
by shyam
Pakistan is a true "white man's burden". White men created it and they have to shoulder it. Don't expect India to share that.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 29 Jul 2012 23:07
by JwalaMukhi
To be sure, what was meant was not for pakistan it was for Unkil. Although, the same could apply to pakis, pakis are nothing but an outpost of unkil. Pakis are extension of unkil, except they wear baggy trousers and use green Jhanda.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 29 Jul 2012 23:14
by nakul
USA will not give up on Pakistan so easily. It is an excellent investment. To compare Afghanistan & Pakistan, US gives US$ 1 billion to Pakistan and is able to influence a country of 180 million, hundreds of battle tanks, 3/4th gen air force & a brown water navy. In comparison, Unkil spends about 10 billion on Afghanistan and loses its own soldiers keeping the country stable. It would be far better for US to buy 1 less than B-2 bomber and to give that money in Pakistan as aid.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 29 Jul 2012 23:24
by JwalaMukhi
^Touche.
Unkil has facilitated even "new clear weapun" to pakis to up the ante. But that is also insufficient and it requires to do more. India has quietly matched and upped the ante.

It is like durg addict in advanced stage, more supply is needed to get little kick. It is in fix because any further injection of weapons to pakis will result in fall out that directly starts affecting unkil itself. So supply more drugs to the addict, and he will start abusing the supplier because now he is being enabled to do the same.

Unkil is pursuing lot of asuric ways. No doubt about that. Opium wars to supplying weapons are a forte of the west.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 30 Jul 2012 03:42
by Prem
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... eat-power/

Is India Starting to Think Like a Great Power?

India is beginning to think like a great power—or at least some Indians are trying to stimulate that kind of thinking. Here’s Sashi Tharoor, Indian MP:
If this century has, in the famous phrase, made the world safe for democracy, the next challenge is to make a world safe for diversity. It is in India’s interest to ensure that the world as a whole must reflect the idea that is already familiar to all Indians-that it shouldn’t matter what the colour of your skin is, the kind of food you eat, the sounds you make when you speak, the God you choose to worship (or not), so long as you want to play by the same rules as everybody else, and dream the same dreams. . . .This is a huge challenge, and one to which India must rise. . . .
We can do it. India is turning increasingly outward as a result of our new economic profile on the global stage, our more dispersed interests around the world, and the reality that other countries, in our neighbourhood as well as in Africa, are looking to us for support and security.
This is a vision of India’s role in the world that fits well with much of what the U.S. would like to see, and suggests that Indian-U.S. common interests go far beyond our mutual concerns about China.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 30 Jul 2012 04:56
by svinayak
JwalaMukhi wrote:^Touche.
Unkil has facilitated even "new clear weapun" to pakis to up the ante. But that is also insufficient and it requires to do more. India has quietly matched and upped the ante.

It is like durg addict in advanced stage, more supply is needed to get little kick. It is in fix because any further injection of weapons to pakis will result in fall out that directly starts affecting unkil itself. So supply more drugs to the addict, and he will start abusing the supplier because now he is being enabled to do the same.

Unkil is pursuing lot of asuric ways. No doubt about that. Opium wars to supplying weapons are a forte of the west.
This is also based on money to US from those supporters of Pak.

This money from central bank to US for US to support Pak even when nuclear weapons and other policies are taken up is key to long term US Pakistan relationship.

Oil lobby and PRC support are the biggest support for Pakistan in DC.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 30 Jul 2012 20:55
by D Roy
Question

What is the Oil lobby's chief gain from backing Pakistan heading into the 2020s?

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 30 Jul 2012 21:26
by vishvak
$20 million worth of antiques have been seized by New York City custom and immigration authorities from a Manhattan gallery
Plenty of precious Indian antiques which are thousands of years old and worth millions of dollars in the international market have been seized from the Manhattan gallery. These sculptures were smuggled from India for hawking into major US museums.
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seized three Chola period bronzes which could be stolen directly from Tamil Nadu temple.(therefore priceless, not 'antiques')..
it is yet to be known whether the antiques will be returned to India or not, a home land security official said that the sculptures are returned to the government facility for preservation.
..
but these are the national heritage of the nation from where they are robbed and are priceless
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Apart from the sculptures, a sandstone statue depicting Kubera, the chief of the Yakshas, from the Indian Gupta period; a grey statue depicting Herkules-Vajrapani from the Kandahran Kushan period; and a sculpture depicting Shakyamuni Buddham from the Indian Chola period was also recovered by HSI agents.
More on the same pics
Indian American artefact dealer Subash Kapoor made over $11M selling smuggled antiques - from India
Arrest warrant issued against Indian antique dealer in US - after seizures of smuggled 'antiques'

‘Murti’ gangs on smuggling spree - on connivance of international gangs, auction houses and antique galleries.

There is also case of Chola kingdoms' treasures in Swiss banks, but it seems Americans are more proactive in dealing with these crime, while Oiropeans just see it 'reach' Swiss banks.
Huge Money of Pandyan Dynasty in Swiss Banks?

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 30 Jul 2012 21:29
by svinayak
D Roy wrote:Question

What is the Oil lobby's chief gain from backing Pakistan heading into the 2020s?
What is the value of Pakistan for the Middle east, Muslim world and Oil producing ocuntries in the middle east.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 31 Jul 2012 10:50
by Vikas
^ Pakis can provide the numbers when need arises like they did in Bahrain last year. It is good to have a slave who is dedicated to your cause and remember 20 Crore is a huge number.
Don't you wonder why Pakis are not caught in any terror related activities in Gulf while they have there finger proverbially in every terror plot pie all across the world.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 31 Jul 2012 12:53
by jiteshn
As some of you may know, Indian defence writers are in US because they have been invited by Boeing to look at its products. Hence you will find quite a few articles in the indian media centred about Boeings products and US wanting to sell defence equipment. Technically, lifafa articles.

This was posted by a commenter on Ajai Shukla's blog. Shukla is part of the team that has been invited on Boeings pay-roll.
Anonymous said...

I asked this comment of your colleague Mr Aroor(google "livefist") but he was too cowardly to post it. I know you will not follow his timid footsteps.

My Question, seeing Boeing has laid the red carpet for certain journos - is this trip paid for by Boeing AND/OR have they also paid for journos expenses etc.

If they have, is there a quid pro quo (either express or implied) from them about positive stories for them.

Finally, isn't this merely a media and marketing gimmick by them whereby they get amazing coverage for almost nothing?

Here is hoping you publish my queries.

All the best

PHL
Shukla's reply
@ Anonymous 17:19

To answer your question directly: I am traveling at Boeing's expense, interacting with their international marketing executives in Washington DC... and visiting the CH-47 and V-22 plants at Philadelphia; the P-8I and civil airliner facilities at Seattle; the AH-64 line at Mesa, Arizona; and the C-17 line at Long Beach, California.

Has Boeing laid the red carpet? No. They pay our travel and accommodation bills and everything other than that is paid for by us. There is no "daily allowance" or "cash reimbursement" or anything other than what I've recounted. They are bound by the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act not to offer any inducements and --- it is quite evident --- that they live in mortal dread of running afoul of US law!

But to address the more important part of your question: what makes you think that a journalist will always write a positive story for someone who has paid his/her travel bills? How does it make a difference to me whether Business Standard is paying my bill, or Boeing is? At the end of the day, I'll still write the same story!

Why talk in parables, let's take the example of the story that I have filed. Its key argument is that Boeing is under financial pressure from dwindling US budgets... and that it desperately needs the Indian (and Asia-Pacific) markets. Hardly a flattering picture!

Other than that, it reports pure facts and figures. Would you argue with anything specific in the story? Do let me know.

So let's not get into conspiracy theorizing! Slamming charges against people is easy, but the fact is that it would take a great (GREAT) deal more to buy most journalists than zig-zagging them from plant to plant until they are half dead with jet lag! And then cramming them into yet another flight to yet another plant...

There is absolutely no quid pro quo with Boeing.

I guess it's pretty pointless trying to convince people whose minds are already made up. But I thought it would be only fair to answer your question directly.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Aug 2012 05:59
by Suppiah
Journalists have to adopt a higher standard of conduct if they are to be respected. They cannot behave like Wall street analysts that write good reports in exchange for firm getting other business. Or like real estate brokers that get commission on both sides.

It may be 100% true that he merely took money for airfare and that does not bias him. It may also be 100% true that Kirsten Stewart merely hugged and kissed Sanders and did not have s.x. But perception is what matters. Damage is done.

Having said that we should admire him for at least posting the message and replying to it. Compare that to our Stalinist comrades that openly solicit for Chinese companies and brazen it out by declaring they are 'guilty as charged'.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Aug 2012 12:50
by nakul
This is a common occurrence in many industries. The unwritten code of understanding is that the journalist would be invited for future events only if they write positive interviews about the company. Microsoft is known to sponsor a trip for pro Microsoft journalists to Redmond prior to the release of Windows. On their part, journalists tend to write glowing reviews about the product to reserve their seat for future tours.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Aug 2012 13:02
by shyam
Journalist reporting after a trip paid for by the vendor is similar to a rating agency rating a mortgage backed security paid for by the MBS creator. If a journalist is truely independent, his/her trip must be sponsored by the journal that he is associated with or is writing for and certainly not by the vendor.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Aug 2012 14:02
by Raja Bose
nakul wrote:This is a common occurrence in many industries. The unwritten code of understanding is that the journalist would be invited for future events only if they write positive interviews about the company. Microsoft is known to sponsor a trip for pro Microsoft journalists to Redmond prior to the release of Windows. On their part, journalists tend to write glowing reviews about the product to reserve their seat for future tours.
Fruit Co is even more famous for this especially when The Mahdi was alive.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Aug 2012 17:56
by JwalaMukhi
shyam wrote:Journalist reporting after a trip paid for by the vendor is similar to a rating agency rating a mortgage backed security paid for by the MBS creator. If a journalist is truely independent, his/her trip must be sponsored by the journal that he is associated with or is writing for and certainly not by the vendor.
Most journals/newspapers wouldn't survive without the paid advertising from those companies. They will suckup to it, although trying to sound as if independent analysis was conducted. In reality, magazines are propaganda machinery to advertise companies and their products. As RM used to say most news of consequence are paid news, other than neutral subjects. A convenient mechanism for mass communication propaganda. Very few magazines and newspapers can survive and thrive just based on subscriptions alone.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 01 Aug 2012 18:44
by Varoon Shekhar
What is the big deal about Wal-Mart? There are hundreds of American companies operating( pretty successfully) in India, in a variety of sectors- IT, BPO, engineering, automotive(GM, Ford) etc. Then there are large numbers of German, Swiss, Dutch(Philips, Unilever), Swedish( Alfa Laval, Asea Brown Boveri) British, French, Japanese and Korean( LG, Hyundai, Samsung) companies conducting business, and doing quite well. The whole hysteria about Wal Mart has much to do with Americans viewing Wal Mart as one of the most visible symbols of American economic power, and any effort to prevent or restrict the company is seen as a kind of affront. It's blocking the US from establishing a beachhead.

The BBC's "India business report" is a far more balanced and intelligent description of the Indian economy, than what appears in the US media generally, and the Economist.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 02 Aug 2012 12:06
by Haresh

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 04 Aug 2012 14:20
by shyamd
India And U.S. Security Interests Similar: Pentagon
Washington: India is a key part of efforts of the Obama Administration to rebalance its Asia-Pacific posture to the broader security and prosperity of the 21st century, a top Pentagon official said, adding India-U.S. relationship is global in scope.
“India is also key part of our rebalance to the Asia-Pacific, and, we believe, to the broader security and prosperity of the 21st century.

“The U.S.-India relationship is global in scope, like the reach and influence of both countries,” the Deputy Secretary of Defence, Ashton Carter, said in his address to the Asia Society in New York yesterday.“Our security interests converge: on maritime security, across the Indian Ocean region; in Afghanistan, where India has done so much for economic development and the Afghan security forces; and on broader regional issues, where we share long-term interests,” said Carter who returned last week from his 10-day Asia Pacific trip including India.

“I went to India at the request of Secretary Panetta with a high-level delegation of U.S. technical and policy experts. Our purpose was to work with the Indians on developing a joint vision for U.S.-India defense cooperation,” he said.

“Through a series of meetings with Indian government and industry leaders, we agreed to create a continuing working mechanism, with the strategic engagement of National Security Advisor (Shiv Shankar) Menon and myself, to implement our vision,” Carter said.

“We believe that the only limit to our cooperation should be our independent strategic decisions – as any two states can differ – not bureaucratic obstacles or inefficient procedures.

“So we are deepening relationships between our defense organizations, from research to defense sales,” the top Pentagon official said.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 04 Aug 2012 15:16
by Lilo
WHAT OBAMA WANTS - Ashok Mitra

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Obama is, in a sense, right. Outsourcing implies substituting high-wage American labour by subcontracting work to, for instance, Asians who can be fobbed off by paying 80 to 90 per cent less than the going American wage rate for a comparable job. That apart, the US administration loves the idea of the excess supply of professional persons, including even lawyers, accountants, doctors, college and university teachers, being exported to India, but which would spell trouble for India’s vast middle classes, and would be politically difficult for the government to go along with. However, the pressure is there, particularly on the ministry of human resources; the ambivalence of policy-makers has been all too noticeable. The corporate sector, as impatient as the US president that the introduction of ‘second and third generation reforms’ had been delayed, would want the government to act on its pledge to unleash the animal spirit once more without further dithering.

What exactly are these supposedly crucial reforms belonging to the second and third generation categories? The roster is fairly long and comprehensive: permitting greater entry of foreign banks and insurance companies in the Indian market, withdrawal of existing ceilings on foreign direct investment, further reduction of direct taxes including a commitment to stay away from the disgusting practice of retrospective taxation, expeditious lowering of the tariff barriers on the import of farm products, thoroughgoing reform of labour laws with severe curtailment of trade union rights, more free economic zones, accelerating improvements in the economic infrastructure especially in the areas of transport and communications, no further procrastination over carrying out the conditions of the Indo-US nuclear agreement, wholesale withdrawal of subsidies, a monetary policy of cheap interest rates, further liberalization of capital account controls, no interference with the autonomy of stock exchange.

Caving in to these demands amounts, in most cases, to the delegation to foreigners a substantial chunk of basic decisions on socio-economic policies. The denouement, a few might even comment, would be akin to surrendering a piece of the nation’s sovereignty. There are still others who think that the sacrifice is worth going through, the outcome is going to be a return to the nearly 10 per cent growth trajectory of the gross domestic product and all that. They need to be yanked out of their romantic reverie though. The data are a clincher. The phase of buoyant GDP growth experienced in the course of the past decade was sourced in expanding demand, only a minor particle of which originated within the country — from the 100 to 160 million who constitute the affluent and the emerging middle classes. It was, by and large, export-driven, spurred by the export of softwares, minerals, raw materials, semi-manufactures, some manufactures. The US had a significant role in the whole process by being the leading recipient of such exports.

The picture threatens to change drastically from now on. Should the Congress-led regime in New Delhi, rejuvenated by its triumph in the presidential poll, decide, what the heck, to be the full-scale comprador and bow down to American diktat, the worst affected are bound to be, apart from the peasantry and small traders and artisans, the emerging middle class. Foreigners are going to come in and take away quite a bit of our trade and professions. (huh? is this is something new iam hearing) This development would have a depressing effect on domestic demand. The much bigger disappointment, though, would be with export demand, the main propeller of growth in the preceding decade.

We could give all the concessions to the Americans’ demand. But, as long as the US economy stagnates — and there is hardly any indication that it would make a recovery in the near future — resumption of Indian economic growth, too, would be a mirage within the existing framework of economic policy and practice. The measures Obama is proposing to discipline outsourcing, for instance, might actually spell disaster for India’s IT industry. In any case, the sufferings caused by the reforms being demanded for India by the US president to the country’s masses are of no concern.

The message beamed by Obama is stridently John F. Kennedy-esque: ask not what the great US can do for India. Better ask what you — lazy, laggard Indians — can do for America, period.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 05 Aug 2012 09:12
by Philip
And how do the "interests converge" pray? Well,today's sensational expose in the New Ind.Epx. paper about Ford Foundation funding of various "PRS Legislative Research",where "research assistants" assist Indian MPs in their legislative business! The report says that as of now,at least 48 MPs belonging to 18 political parties have office assistants paid by the Ford Foundation,one of the CIA's alleged favourite institutions for inserting agents ,stealing secrets and slanting policy! Thus the penetration of the Indian legislature by the FF/CIA has insidiously reached even the sacred portals of parliament,perhaps without even the majority of victims knowing it.

Bugging the offices of MPs,copying their private mail,hacking into their computer systems,etc.,etc.,using these paid agents of the US will make it a cakewalk to survey and purloin state secrets and manipulate Indian economic,foreign and defence policy.No wonder we have the Pentagon telling us that our interests are "similar" ,of course,as the policies are made in Washington and delivered too our MPs as genuine "research"! It is past time to root out the moles and quislings in the system.

In the print edition,the Union Min. for State for Home,the Hon.Min. Mullapally,has said that "Foreign funds for Parliamentary research is undesirable".He is reported to have " ruffled quite a few high-flying feathers" by refusing to give clearance to FCRA (foreign contribution regulation act-an astonishing 10,430 crores was last year's inflow,a veritable bumper "monsoon" for the insidious quislings!) to PRS Foundation,which runs the Legislative asssiants scheme.In the interview,the Mininster also referred to the Koodankulam anti-nuke agitation and the insidious roile played by several foreign NGOs which allegedly actively funded the agitation ,now the subject of a CBI enquiry.

http://newindianexpress.com/nation/article583094.ece
When American money lights LAMPs in our House

By Cithara Paul & yatish yadav - NEW DELHI

05th August 2012

The Home Ministry is probing the role of the Ford Foundation in trying to influence the Indian legislative process by funding Research Assistants who help MPs improve their parliamentary skills. About 300 MPs are part of various programmes of PRS Legislative Research—an NGO that is sponsored by the Ford foundation and other domestic agencies and comes under the ambit of the Centre of Policy Research Studies (CPRS).

Congress MP Meenakshi Natarajan firmly denies knowledge of foreign funding. “I was not aware of the Ford foundation hand and does not know the developments in the Home Ministry. So I can’t comment any more.”

When asked about the importance of providing technical and legal support to MPs, Mullappilli said, “I feel, we should have some alternate mechanism for making research available to legislators, and this process should exclusively be funded from public money,’’ the Minister said.

However, Asaduddin Owaisi (AIMM) feels differently. “I knew that Ford Foundation was funding the PRS. But how does it matter? I am not concerned whether it is Ford or any XYZ who is funding the scheme as long as it was helping us in doing better legislative work. I have benefitted a lot”, he said.

PRS, which has been running the programme since 2010, insists that there is nothing secretive and said that all the allegations are biased.

“We support the work of MPs by providing them with research support on legislative proposals before Parliament. We only provide data and analysis, and do not recommend or advocate any particular position or policy action. We also try to build a higher engagement between citizens and legislators by publishing data on the activity of Parliament,’’ M R Madhavan, Head-of-Research at PRS told The Sunday Standard.

PRS also denied any kind of lobbying and insisted that all that they do is help MPs whose names have been forwarded by the Constitutional Club, an official body of legislators which helps them to “discharge Parliamentary and allied social obligations.’’

“Our Parliament does not have a mechanism to provide research inputs to legislators, other than photocopies of recent newspaper articles on the subject. MPs are not provided with qualified research staff. This makes it very difficult for them to prepare adequately to discharge their role as lawmakers,’’ is the official response to queries from The Sunday Standard.

PRS says its core task is analysing pending legislation and preparing short Legislative Briefs.

“These briefs are sent to all MPs by post. Individual MPs and leadership groups of political parties then call PRS for briefings or to seek more clarifications. When Parliament is in session, PRS conducts Wednesday morning briefing sessions for MPs at the Constitution Club of India,’’ PRS stated.

According to PRS, MPs are badly in need of assistance as most of them come from a “very normal’’ background.

“Who will believe that MPs like Rajeev Shukla, Jay Panda, Derek O’Brien or Manish Tiwari need the support of Ford Foundation to understand policy matters?” asks a Home Ministry official.

PRS insists that it is wrong to say that every beneficiary of the Ford Foundation fund is furthering US interests. “What LAMPs does is only assist MPs in collecting details which are already in the public domain and put them into perspective,’’ a PRS official said.

But the Home Ministry insists that having foreign funded aides calling the shots in an MPs office is wrong.

“It may look nice on paper that our MPs are getting professional assistance. But it should not be forgotten that MPs have access to a whole lot of official documents, which need not be in the public domain, and these so-called assistants will naturally access them. Moreover, they may also seek any document from the Government on behalf of the MPs,” sources with the FCRA division of the Home Ministry said.

Interestingly, the Bills on which PRS has given inputs to MPs include sensitive bills like the Land Acquisition Bill. The official also argues that the research assistants can very well influence the MPs by giving valuable inputs on any matter. “Take the case of allowing FDI in retail. The researchers who are paid by the Ford Foundation which in turn is funded by retail giants like Walmart can very well influence MPs in forming an opinion on the matter,” said the source.

We get a number of requests from MPs expressing their interest to be part of the programme sensing the effectiveness of the LAMP scheme. This time we had around 80 applications. We would be launching the programme in the coming monsoon session as Home Ministry clearance is required only for foreign funding,’’ said an office bearer of the PRS. She also insisted that PRS received little funding from Ford Foundation last year. ‘The whole controversy is around Ford Foundation funding. So we would like to state on record that our funds were mostly from domestic donors,” she said.

A LAMP member insists that MPs who have applied but have not been selected for the programme are raking up a controversy. “It is mere jealousy on the part of other MPs and also the bureaucracy who may have felt slighted because of the empowered presence of LAMPs within the system. It is obvious that no bureaucrat would like to have an empowered MP who knows everything about legislation and need not require his support,” he said.

A LAMP assistant is paid `20,000. “Our salary is a pittance as most of us are eligible for any MNC job. But there is no denying the fact that close proximity with an MP adds to our resume,” said a former LAMP assistant.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 05 Aug 2012 22:31
by arun
Breaking: Reports of shooting at Sikh temple

Added later:

Early news reports indicate a possible hate crime. A witness has indicated the perpetrator is a “white male”:
Several people reported shot at Sikh temple outside Milwaukee

At least four people were reported shot Sunday morning at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., according to local media. ……………..

A witness told officers the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt, Oak Creek Patch reported. ……………………

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 06 Aug 2012 03:40
by Cosmo_R
arun wrote:Breaking: Reports of shooting at Sikh temple

Added later:

Early news reports indicate a possible hate crime. A witness has indicated the perpetrator is a “white male”:
Several people reported shot at Sikh temple outside Milwaukee

At least four people were reported shot Sunday morning at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., according to local media. ……………..

A witness told officers the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt, Oak Creek Patch reported. ……………………
Could we please have a temporary separate thread for this MODs? Thank you

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 05:13
by putnanja
US offers relief to Tamil Nadu fisherman’s kin
The US has informed New Delhi that a solatium will be given to the next of kin of a Tamil Nadu fisherman killed in gunfire by US navy personnel off the Dubai coast last month. “The US embassy has kept us informed of their decision to provide what they term as solatium to the next of kin of the Indian fisherman Sekar Arumugam...,” MEA spoke-sperson Syed Akbaruddin said. However, India hoped that it would not prejudice the probe into the incident, he said. Sources said the US has offered to match the Rs 5 lakh solatium to Sekar and Rs 50,000 to each of the three injured announced by the government. :roll:

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 07:19
by arun
arun wrote:Breaking: Reports of shooting at Sikh temple

Added later:

Early news reports indicate a possible hate crime. A witness has indicated the perpetrator is a “white male”:
Several people reported shot at Sikh temple outside Milwaukee

At least four people were reported shot Sunday morning at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., according to local media. ……………..

A witness told officers the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt, Oak Creek Patch reported. ……………………
In Hyderabad Sikhs protest outside the US Consulate against the killings in a Gurdwara in the US.

Time for the US to stop lecturing the world on protecting religious minorities and start protecting its own religious minorities:

Sikhs protest attack on US gurudwara

In other news Reuters indicates that the Gurdwara attack was a likely racist inspired attack perpetrated by a former soldier who served with the US Army.

Sikh temple gunman was ex-soldier linked to racist group

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 07:32
by JwalaMukhi
putnanja wrote:US offers relief to Tamil Nadu fisherman’s kin
The US has informed New Delhi that a solatium will be given to the next of kin of a Tamil Nadu fisherman killed in gunfire by US navy personnel off the Dubai coast last month. “The US embassy has kept us informed of their decision to provide what they term as solatium to the next of kin of the Indian fisherman Sekar Arumugam...,” MEA spoke-sperson Syed Akbaruddin said. However, India hoped that it would not prejudice the probe into the incident, he said. Sources said the US has offered to match the Rs 5 lakh solatium to Sekar and Rs 50,000 to each of the three injured announced by the government. :roll:
Actually Unkil is being extremely generous here and has awarded a princely sum sick to say the least. Unkil has gone and above and beyond being shariah compliant. For a hindu man shariah followers dictate he should be compensated per the formula below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyya
Saudi Arabia

In Saudi Arabia, when a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the prescribed blood money rates are as follows[8]:

300,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
150,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
150,000 riyals if a Christian or Jewish man
75,000 riyals if a Christian or Jewish woman
6,666 riyals if a man of any other religion
3,333 riyals if a woman of any other religion

The amount of compensation is based on the percentage of responsibility. Blood money is to be paid not only for murder, but also in case of unnatural death, interpreted to mean death in a fire, industrial or road accident, for instance, as long as the responsibility for it falls on the causer.[8]

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 07:37
by arun
Yet another reason why the US is no friend of India and must be dealt with cautious circumspection:
putnanja wrote:A first: US allowed to check Indian warship
New Delhi, Aug. 6: India has for the first time permitted the US to inspect an Indian warship to ensure that the navy was not distorting its use, a senior source in the defence establishment has confirmed to The Telegraph.

This is the first time that India permitted an “intrusive” inspection of one of its key military platforms by foreigners.
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The equipment the US inspectors asked to check were night-vision devices used by the INS Jalashva landing platform dock and its six onboard UH-3H Seaking maritime utility transport helicopters.

Distinctly uncomfortable with the US request to inspect the equipment, the navy at first tried to fob it off. But then reached a compromise.

The navy told the US inspectors that it would remove the components from the Jalashva that is based at the eastern fleet headquarters in Vishakhapatnam where they could be checked.

It is understood that the devices were removed from the ship and the helicopters and taken to an airfield/helipad where the inspection was carried out.

The Pentagon’s Defence Sales Cooperation Agency (DSCA) classified night-vision devices as highly sensitive equipment. Modern night-vision devices used on warships are sophisticated digitised machinery packed into waterproof containers with telescopic sights.

An image intensifier highlights the target being sighted and magnifies it to a level of light that allows the trained human eye to interpret them. The digital records of the images sighted through the device can be logged. Theoretically, an inspector can go through the logs to check the images that have been sighted and recorded.
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Military equipment, such as the INS Jalashva, purchased through a government-to-government foreign military sales programme are subject to inspections under the Pentagon’s “Golden Sentry” programme that dispatches “Tiger Teams” to do the job.

Direct commercial sales of military hardware by US-based companies to India are subject to inspections under a programme called “Blue Lantern”.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 18:28
by svinayak
http://www.hafsite.org/Hi_Rez_Retains_H ... s_with_HAF

Hi-Rez Retains Hindu Deities in Video Game Despite Opposition, Dialogues with HAF
New York, NY
(August 1, 2012) - The Hindu American Foundation (HAF) joined several Hindu American groups in strongly opposing the inclusion of three Hindu deities - Kali, Vamana, and Agni - in a soon-to-be released online video game, SMITE, created by Hi-Rez, an Atlanta based video game design firm. SMITE, which the makers say is an "online battle ground between gods," allows players to choose from Hindu, Greek, Egyptian, Chinese, and Norse gods. While parts of the Hindu pantheon are featured, iconography from other major religious traditions are absent from the game.

HAF directly contacted Hi-Rez to request the removal of Hindu Gods from the game. In an extensive dialogue with Hi-Rez Chief Operating Officer, Todd Harris, HAF's Senior Director, Sheetal Shah, explained that "use of highly revered deities as killing machines in a video game is disrespectful and offensive to Hindus worldwide," and requested they be removed from the game...

The Foundation's positions on the SMITE game were threefold: 1) Hindu deities should be removed from the game; 2) Goddess Kali's imagery was unacceptable and disrespectful; 3) HAF would provide Hi-Rez with a number of online Hinduism resources and descriptions of the three Hindu deities consistent with scripture and lore to share on the players' forum.

Despite intense deliberations with HAF, and over the protests of many Hindu Americans, Hi-Rez has decided to retain the Hindu deities in SMITE. Hi-Rez confirmed that this Friday's updated version will incorporate revised and more accurate descriptions of all three Hindu deities. Today, Mr. Harris provided links to learn more about Hinduism on the player's forum. Additionally, Hi-Rez agreed to make adjustments to the imagery and actions of Goddess Kali and the avatar Vamana in future

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 19:09
by member_23629
SMITE, which the makers say is an "online battle ground between gods," allows players to choose from Hindu, Greek, Egyptian, Chinese, and Norse gods.
The Goras had a bout of amnesia and forgot to include the Christian god in the choices. If they had included Allah, it would have been even more fun with their ar*se on fire once the game became public.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 19:13
by svinayak
This is how they change the wolrd view of the young so that they only see the 'other'
Their own God is never put into any of these images since that would make it below the 'image' they are cultivating. Greek is conisdered mythology and they make the same case with Hinduism.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 19:23
by vishvak
varunkumar wrote:
SMITE, which the makers say is an "online battle ground between gods," allows players to choose from Hindu, Greek, Egyptian, Chinese, and Norse gods.
The Goras had a bout of amnesia and forgot to include the Christian god in the choices. If they had included Allah, it would have been even more fun with their ar*se on fire once the game became public.
One rule for others and silence for their own. This can hardly be called civilized.

More like rules of the jungle for others in the most civilized countries and that is passed off as normal.

Very aptly put Varunkumarji, the educated makers of the game have no fortitude to include Allah and Jesus as gods in their online battle games and then pass off this uncivilized barbarism across the world.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 19:25
by RajeshA
Well like SMITE, perhaps there is a need to develop online games with Jesus and the 12 Apostles holding guns and blasting their way around, all set up against native Americans!

There is just so much scope!

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 19:33
by shiv
SMITE, which the makers say is an "online battle ground between gods," allows players to choose from Hindu, Greek, Egyptian, Chinese, and Norse gods.
The makers know exactly which Gods you can play with without getting killed. Jehovah and Allah are both gods whose followers demanded or still demand that no image should be created and that no other god exists.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 07 Aug 2012 22:44
by krithivas
I'm following up with the Capital funding arm of my company if it has or is considering investing in either "HiRez" or the "data center" where this game is expected to be hosted. IMO, The actions of HiRez can be construed as harassment which must not be encouraged or funded.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 08 Aug 2012 01:04
by svinayak
http://www.hafsite.org/Dharma_community ... _Americans
Dharma Community Shares in Grief of Sikh Americans

Washington, D.C.(August 5, 2012) - We, at the Hindu American Foundation, join all Americans in shared shock, disbelief, and outrage over today’s tragic events that unfolded at the holy gurudwara, or Sikh temple, near Milwaukee, Wisconsin earlier today. At least six Sikh Americans are dead, several are injured, including a valiant police officer who killed the assailant, and we face another day of catastrophe that is as outrageous as numbingly familiar.

Dharma traditions--the Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Hindus--hold non-violence and peaceful co-existence as paramount values. It is a cruel irony that Sikhs, donning the turban as among proud symbols of a spiritual mandate to serve humanity as defenders of dharma against all onslaughts, find themselves sought out and victimized by ignorant assailants on too many occasions.

We call on all Americans today to join Sikhs in mourning a senseless attack and to take this opportunity to not only learn about the sublime teachings of Sikh gurus, the Sikh faith, and the meanings of its external symbols, but also join hands to ensure that the gurudwaras remain sanctuaries of joyous worship and celebrated sharing of langar, or community meals, for generations to come.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 08 Aug 2012 11:36
by svinayak
Looks like US establishment has got the message
shyam wrote:'US created the monster of China'


Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 08 Aug 2012 12:27
by Singha
US Trying to Shift Business From London to Wall St?
CNBC.com - ‎45 minutes ago‎
Several senior British MPs accused US regulators of pursuing an anti-City of London agenda in its assault on Standard Chartered, suggesting it was part of an apparent campaign to weaken a rival financial center